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On October 07 2013 02:11 Umasi wrote: Heavenz NOOOOOO Turns out he was a different kind of scum | ||
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On October 09 2013 08:38 Bereft wrote: what did heavenz do to get permed?! I'd like to sign up - umasi will you take me? I've played more than 3 games, but only 2 in recent times and the rest were years ago which I barely remember anything about! PBU according to the ban list. | ||
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On October 14 2013 20:41 nyxnyxnyx wrote: Knowing that Seuss is a confirmed townie doesn't help the rest of the townies come up with any voting decision other than not voting for him. Why Odin? Because no one else has come up with any sort of plan for townies organize around. I'm just going in blind and hoping Odin isn't scum. Being organized is fine, but blind faith can be just as destructive. On another note, we had this same debate about lynching lurkers in the last newbie game. Of course we want to avoid voting for people that are going to be mod killed, but if they at least talk once they are safe for the voting period. While I won't say we should 100% lynch a lurker, it's at least worth looking at people with low post contribution to see if anything suspicious stands out. | ||
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I'm in the camp that thinks mitt is bad townie. I agree with everyone criticizing July, but Vonthin is also suspicious and closer to getting lynched. I'd rather put my vote toward him to try and lynch someone other than mitt. | ||
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On October 16 2013 23:03 Bereft wrote: @Balla - that was purely a timing/availability issue. If I'm home and have time to sit down and write something I will, regardless of day/night phase. might not be the best strategy, but what can you do, time constraints yo. I'm out tonight so not sure if I'll make it home before the night post - but if I do I'll write something. that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz? my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around. on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight >< I think I'm quieter this game than last one but that's due to irl responsibilities. Last time I just dug myself a grave by getting super defensive and doing a poor job of explaining myself. As for my vote I was clear upfront I was putting a lot of weight into Suess' analysis since I know he's town and a really smart guy. I agree nyx has a lot of explaining to do. I realize he wanted to follow Odin, but the contradiction of not thinking mitt is mafia but still voting him anyway feels very scummy. Honestly the only person I have a strong read on right now is Odin (town). The initial bandwagon on mitt and changing votes from there was a bit of a clusterfuck so getting a read on these events hasn't been easy. | ||
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Also, speaking of odin, I want to be careful we don't fall into the same trap we did last game. I was suspicious of playerboy early last game but sat on it because I didn't want to make enemies. I don't want to make the same mistake again. He's pushing july and nyx hard, which look goods on paper, but if either of them end up turning town if we lynch them, I think that looks bad for odin. | ||
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On October 18 2013 03:14 Balla24 wrote: It is not technically your fault. Playerboy should not have reacted the way he did. There's no way around that. I don't see how you think this is insignificant though... I like how you are reacting but then again you should be willing to talk about it if you have nothing to hide. I don't have any further questions about it though. So I on't be pushing it further unless it becomes relevant again. There is no vigi. Vigi is a straight up idiot if he shot either odin or playerboy. You're under suspicion on playerboy because of the sole fact that you are the one who brought up the cop thing. You're right though, I should take a step back. ANYBODY who realized playerboy was cop based on his reaction could have killed him. How do we know there's no vig? I'm rereading the role and it says they "may" choose a player to kill, it's possible they just didn't use their power. | ||
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On October 18 2013 07:09 Balla24 wrote: yeah you're right.. i didn't mean it in that way, i just wanted to deflect the thought that either of the kills could have been made by a vigi Ah okay, just misunderstood. The C++ set up still confuses me so I thought maybe it was possible to know for sure there was no vig in the game. | ||
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Everyone seems to think Odin was the mafia kill and playerboy was the SK kill, but I'm not so sure. If the SK goes for Odin (who seems like the obvious mafia target), they are able to put a lot of pressure on july and nyx basically for free. It doesn't matter to him whether or not they are town or mafia, this kill increased suspicion even more and may lead to a lynch. Of course, if either july or nyx are actually mafia, it would make sense for them to kill someone else to take some of the heat away from themselves. Waking up and finding odin dead would certainly hurt this plan. | ||
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On October 19 2013 00:53 SagaZ wrote: @onlywonderboy: I accused you of not saying anything constructive, and being the yes man of seuss to appeal to him. this last post you give us: You're suspicious of me, the only one that makes a case about you. you hope to get info, nice. you jump on the nyx train. and you go back to seuss said that so he has to be right. At this point I can't understand how you do it to slip under the radar so well, but maybe this will get some concrete posts from you: ##Vote onlywonderboy This post actually makes me believe SagaZ is town. He's right, I've been been way too quiet and have been coasting for most of this game. I've been quick to follow Seuss because he's town and I know he's an incredibly analytic thinker, but that's way too passive play and doesn't really do much to help the town. I tried to get some discussion going with differentiating the mafia/SK kill, but that broke down quick and it turned out I was likely wrong. Honestly I'm as surprised as him I'm flown under the radar and really that's just bad play on my part. I'm still working on rereading the pages to try and get more scum tells, but I can at least put forth I think SagaZ is town based off this post. | ||
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It's certainly a different theory than most people have brought up, but even if I'm wrong the conversation that spawns around it can certainly be valuable. | ||
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So let's entertain the idea that nyx is possibly a player new to the game that dug himself a hole that he can't get out of. Are there any other potential targets that we would be comfortable going for, or is there just no other possible option? | ||
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Well then, might as well make it offical | ||
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On October 20 2013 12:43 Bereft wrote: and good job, serial killer! For real. SK hitting mafia is a godsend for the town. | ||
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On October 20 2013 15:23 Balla24 wrote: Alright. I'm ready to make my case on OWB as SK. Other candidates include istandwithmitt, but his low post count and relative lack of care for the game make me immediately not want to look at him. When nyx flipped it made me completly re-think all my reads, because I was SOOO certain he was sk. Point #1: Here is what initially tipped me off: A post like this might fit other players, but with my read on OWB this doesn't fit at all. This is some serious information bias, as he's been setting this up for a while to appear more town. He says he tried to save nyx... yet... he didn't.... not at all... in fact: Was posted right before july "defended" himself. This is the OPPOSITE of trying to save nyx... if this ain't a slip then I don't know what is. He left his vote on July at the end of the day, but he it didn't really seem like he cared who got lynch one way or another, even though he claims to have tried to save nyx. Here's another post that seems out of character for him: Point #2: The SK kill N2 is GGTemplar While yes, GGTemplar is mafia. I'm quite sure we can get more information out of this kill then just "SK wanted to kill a mafia". On day2, GGTemplar was literally the only one to mention OWB as a possible scum (I didn't check E00 but I don't really recall him accusing anybody but me). The only other person was July, but since july is under suspicion, killing him wouldn't be a good play for SK. Notice OWB's reaction to his posts that mention him by looking at owb's filter: NADA. He doesn't even blink. I believe that SK was less trying to target a mafia then he was trying to get the suspicions quiet. If he was trying to kill a mafia, then why wouldn't he have targetted myself or July, who were both on the verge of getting lynched whereas GGTemplar had 0 votes. You'd have to be very confident in your own reads to make a shot like that. The only person who was confident on GGTemplar was istandwithmitt, which is interesting to note if someone wants to make a case for mitt. Point #3: Deflection At this point, everybody was pretty sold with good reasoning on why Odin/playerboy were the mafia/sk kill respectively, IIRC. This seems like a feeble attempt to try to get people to consider more situations then what was reality. I say this because he drops it relatively quickly after Seuss refutes one of his points. That's all i've got. I also read this: As a soft-vigi claim originally, but the fact that there has still been no vigi kill makes me skeptical of that. Let me know if my logic is flawed or something, but with this.. ##vote: onlywonderboy Well, guess I have some explaining to do in your eyes. A post like this might fit other players, but with my read on OWB this doesn't fit at all. This is some serious information bias, as he's been setting this up for a while to appear more town. He says he tried to save nyx... yet... he didn't.... not at all... in fact: In regards to this whole nyx situation, I made it clear I didn't really want to vote nyx. I sympathized with his frustration of the game and I was right that it was very much how I felt in my first game. I made this clear by voting for July. I said I was okay with voting nyx but all I meant by that was I was fine with that town going for nyx if that's what they really wanted. You said I'm "trying to appear town," but of course I am! I still have to prove I'm town and people have been doubting me all game long. Point two is incredibly weak. One person mentioned me as a potential scum while the rest of the players seemed to have a town read on me. Why bother responding to this one post? If other people had discussed it more I would have felt the need to defend myself, but at the time it seemed incredibly random and not worth mentioning. Point three doesn't say much either. People were asking me to try and provide points of discussion and this theory happened to fall flat. Nothing more. | ||
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On October 22 2013 06:48 Balla24 wrote: Well neither did you last night, to be fair... people in this game have been absolutely piss poor at building cases this game. But yes, July, the fact that he's not building a case makes me more suspicious of him as SK. Do you not consider it building a case because I'm not pulling specific quotes? I've been building my case against July in these last couple pages. I could quote random posts where he's talking out of his ass and not contributing anything, but I considering that's what almost all of his posts are I figured just saying to read his filter would be enough to back up my claim. | ||
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On October 22 2013 06:28 July617 wrote: Yes there is Did you not see nyx's death ? And Istandwithmitt's almost death ? Building cases against town's is to the detriment of the town itself, you're giving suspicion where there is none, and that's how you end up lynching townies when they have no business being lynched at all . All I meant was if you have a good case as to why someone is scum even if most people think they are town your should present it. You did not do this in this case. | ||
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I think I've accepted that I'm not going to change your mind Balla, but if any other town players around please read my points on July and consider voting for him instead of Saga or Balla. I'm not the only person who was suspicious of him, Odin was pressuring him hard and Suess had him on his potential scum/SK list. It's not like I'm a crazy person here and the only one who thinks he's suspicious. | ||
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 . It was dumb of me to defend him simply based on his impassioned cries, I could have easily have been being tricked. I refuse to take that same risk again. Your play has lead me to believe you are not town and I'm not going to back down again based on someone simply saying "hey, I'm not scum/sk." | ||
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On October 22 2013 08:56 Balla24 wrote: Really? Because to me it doesn't look at all like how you were playing. You at least tried to defend yourself. You came up with your own reads. I was ok with it when you first brought up how you sympathized with it but I don't know... it just doesn't sit right with me now. I wish others would chime in though on this case, because I feel like i'm tunnel visioning. It's how I felt though. I attempted to make reads but the entire time I felt like I was just digging my own grave and I felt futile trying to defend myself. I didn't shut down like nyx did, but I was almost at that point. | ||
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On October 23 2013 11:03 Balla24 wrote: i knew u were vigi owb damnit T_T why didnt u shoot last night? I did, July has one shot bulletproof T_T | ||
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On October 23 2013 11:04 WaveofShadow wrote: OWB y u no listen to your coaaaach  But defs GGs all arounds. I mean if Mitt hadn't afk'd town had a chance to win. I was pretty sure mitt was town and balla's SK post on me made me suspicious of him being possible scum. I mean, in the end the deciding vote would have been on mitt. | ||
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On October 23 2013 11:32 Balla24 wrote: Nahh duude Bereft and Seuss were all over me even after I feel like i defended myself well :/ I guess that's true. And some of your credibility might have gone away when I flipped vig. | ||
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On October 23 2013 12:14 Umasi wrote: definitely an eternal duel. Regardless, thanks everyone for playing, this game ends as a draw between the mafia team and the town team, July617 has been defeated. OBS QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/UAsDTdDVXAe Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/JmjQjaQYhDbs Seuss X WaveofShadow Coaching: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/GDUTeMStcTY If you want your coaching qt to be seen, post it yourself. I know seuss is cool with it. OWB didn't shoot night one, shot july N2, and N3. No notification was sent to july regarding his veteran status being down. Personal comments on the game: I think that the mafia team was playing pretty well all the way till GGtemplar went and died, but he was on a lot of peoples 'probably town' lists. Balla24 and SagaZ picked up the slack pretty well, and did a good job of appearing like they were trying to be active and figure things out among an inactive town. I think the game would have been even more scum favored if seuss had been shot N1, or if OWB had vigged one of the lynchbaity townies, because they'd just get in the way. At least, I personally would have shot to get rid of ???marks, even at the risk of killing town. Then again, I'm not very experienced myself, and hosting doesn't give me a bell of clarity :<< Lonemeow posted setup properly. Lonemeow did a lot of things properly! Everyone should fucking love Lonemeow for being so on point with the vote counts, made my job of hunting qts and answering questions really simple! Thanks everyone for playing and go sign up for number 50! Onlywonderboy X WAVEOFSHADOW Coaching Skipping the night one kill was something Wave and I talked about. I almost killed nyx or July, but that's when I was trying to put pressure on Odin. GOD IF ONLY I HAVE LUNCHED JULY lol. | ||
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On October 23 2013 16:29 playerboy345 wrote: How can you even think this, balla was so fucking obviously scum T_T Oh and my coaching QT is over here: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/q9B8bv8PASsm ilu marv <3 I mean, Day 3 it sure seemed that way. Everyone was listening him when he was trying to discredit my claim on July. I was too reliant on my "town" status. Once Suess died I lost my biggest cheerleader haha. | ||
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