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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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July617
United States72 Posts
On October 20 2013 13:02 Balla24 wrote: I'd like to wait a little longer. But while you're here. Can you explain again your thought process on the OWB vote? Why did you think that was useful? It's simple my thought was I didn't want nyx to die, I never wanted him to die but we lynched him because he was bad town . Same reason we wanted to lynch mitt, again more bad town . We can't lynch bad town anymore, we've still got an SK and mafia running around, the last thing we want to do is get bogged down in more bad town lynching . | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 20 2013 13:13 July617 wrote: It's simple my thought was I didn't want nyx to die, I never wanted him to die but we lynched him because he was bad town . Same reason we wanted to lynch mitt, again more bad town . We can't lynch bad town anymore, we've still got an SK and mafia running around, the last thing we want to do is get bogged down in more bad town lynching . So why didn't you try harder to defend him? Can you expand your read on OWB please? We couldn't afford to lynch town yesterday, we got lucky because SK had to be in our favor with the mafia #s. If he hit town we are dead. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 20 2013 13:03 onlywonderboy wrote: Suess dying was inevitable, he was an easy target for the mafia tonight so that isn't too shocking. If we're already talking about the next lynch, I still say we pressure July super hard. I was confidant in my vote on him and nothing has really changed my mind there. It would take a lot to convince me he's neither scum or SK. Don't you feel that if you were to read him as town from the start, his play last night certainly fits the profile? I don't know... i'm kind of changing my mind. Again, I've been re-evaluating all of my reads and I'm not just yet ready to share. I was seriously expecting nyx to flip SK (well after I saw Seuss switched obviously). | ||
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July617
United States72 Posts
On October 20 2013 13:36 Balla24 wrote: So why didn't you try harder to defend him? Can you expand your read on OWB please? We couldn't afford to lynch town yesterday, we got lucky because SK had to be in our favor with the mafia #s. If he hit town we are dead. I just think it's not bad town play it's him actually being mafia, his bad town play doesn't sit right . | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 20 2013 13:54 July617 wrote: But why? Quote me some things, anything.I just think it's not bad town play it's him actually being mafia, his bad town play doesn't sit right . | ||
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July617
United States72 Posts
His posting doesn't make sense . " Yeah. I certainly wish there was a lot more certainty in the vote, but what are you gonna do?" < Doesn't that sound a little strange almost like he's throwing his hands up in an attempt to look like town ? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
Point #1: Here is what initially tipped me off: On October 19 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: I tried so save nyx, I really did. I was totally right that he felt that same way I did my first game. So that means there is still a potential SK out there, so who is the main suspect now? A post like this might fit other players, but with my read on OWB this doesn't fit at all. This is some serious information bias, as he's been setting this up for a while to appear more town. He says he tried to save nyx... yet... he didn't.... not at all... in fact: On October 19 2013 08:18 onlywonderboy wrote: That's fine by me. I'm fine with going for nyx. If july gets mod killer and flips town we can focus on balla. Was posted right before july "defended" himself. This is the OPPOSITE of trying to save nyx... if this ain't a slip then I don't know what is. He left his vote on July at the end of the day, but he it didn't really seem like he cared who got lynch one way or another, even though he claims to have tried to save nyx. Here's another post that seems out of character for him: On October 20 2013 12:45 onlywonderboy wrote: For real. SK hitting mafia is a godsend for the town. Point #2: The SK kill N2 is GGTemplar While yes, GGTemplar is mafia. I'm quite sure we can get more information out of this kill then just "SK wanted to kill a mafia". On day2, GGTemplar was literally the only one to mention OWB as a possible scum (I didn't check E00 but I don't really recall him accusing anybody but me). The only other person was July, but since july is under suspicion, killing him wouldn't be a good play for SK. Notice OWB's reaction to his posts that mention him by looking at owb's filter: NADA. He doesn't even blink. I believe that SK was less trying to target a mafia then he was trying to get the suspicions quiet. If he was trying to kill a mafia, then why wouldn't he have targetted myself or July, who were both on the verge of getting lynched whereas GGTemplar had 0 votes. You'd have to be very confident in your own reads to make a shot like that. The only person who was confident on GGTemplar was istandwithmitt, which is interesting to note if someone wants to make a case for mitt. Point #3: Deflection On October 18 2013 13:02 onlywonderboy wrote: Damn, I really wish I had more to add (I know people have been calling out my lack of posts), but I'm just not coming up with much. nyx and july still seem scummy (or SK-y) and haven't really defended themselves much so not much has really changed there. Still, even if one of them is mafia, that still leaves two more of them out there. Everyone seems to think Odin was the mafia kill and playerboy was the SK kill, but I'm not so sure. If the SK goes for Odin (who seems like the obvious mafia target), they are able to put a lot of pressure on july and nyx basically for free. It doesn't matter to him whether or not they are town or mafia, this kill increased suspicion even more and may lead to a lynch. Of course, if either july or nyx are actually mafia, it would make sense for them to kill someone else to take some of the heat away from themselves. Waking up and finding odin dead would certainly hurt this plan. At this point, everybody was pretty sold with good reasoning on why Odin/playerboy were the mafia/sk kill respectively, IIRC. This seems like a feeble attempt to try to get people to consider more situations then what was reality. I say this because he drops it relatively quickly after Seuss refutes one of his points. That's all i've got. I also read this: On October 18 2013 06:53 onlywonderboy wrote: How do we know there's no vig? I'm rereading the role and it says they "may" choose a player to kill, it's possible they just didn't use their power. As a soft-vigi claim originally, but the fact that there has still been no vigi kill makes me skeptical of that. Let me know if my logic is flawed or something, but with this.. ##vote: onlywonderboy | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 19 2013 11:36 onlywonderboy wrote: I tried so save nyx, I really did. I was totally right that he felt that same way I did my first game. So that means there is still a potential SK out there, so who is the main suspect now? What kind of townie would ask the town "who is the main suspect for sk now"? When a presumed scum flips townie, I immediately re-think my reads and form my own opinions. This seems to me like he's not even thinking about who the possible SK is because he knows who it is. He wants to know whether or not there is another SK target he can push, and if there is any suspicion on him so he can decide how to play. Weird WEIRD question. | ||
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Balla24
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
onlywonderboy (1): Balla24 Not voting (6): onlywonderboy, July617, Balla24, E00e, Bereft, istandwithmitt, SagaZ Currently, onlywonderboy is set to be lynched. to deadline. Remember, voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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E00e
88 Posts
Templar also said there are 1 or 2 mafia in the Vonthin voters which makes me think there is at most 1 mafia there preferably 0. Templar tried to kill me day2 and put me in circles with various other people. I like to think that in those circles there was a Mafia so that when I am lynched day2 and turn out town the other people in that circle are thought of as town. I think July is the 2nd mafia. I got that feeling from reading July's and GGTemplar's posts and I cant deliver strong evidence right now. Maybe someone else can confirm/deny. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
If I was bereft, the most confirmed townie (even though istandwithmitt is still pushing that lol).. i'm just going to sit back and let everyone talk so I can make my opinion on them. Make his job easier. | ||
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istandwithmitt
Brazil117 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On October 20 2013 23:42 E00e wrote: GGTemplar had Odin (confirmed town later),Bereft as a strong town read which makes me think Bereft is not Mafia. Templar also said there are 1 or 2 mafia in the Vonthin voters which makes me think there is at most 1 mafia there preferably 0. Templar tried to kill me day2 and put me in circles with various other people. I like to think that in those circles there was a Mafia so that when I am lynched day2 and turn out town the other people in that circle are thought of as town. I think July is the 2nd mafia. I got that feeling from reading July's and GGTemplar's posts and I cant deliver strong evidence right now. Maybe someone else can confirm/deny. Who's the third mafia then? I really had a scum read on July, but if he is mafia, who the hell is the other? My only guess was that it was you E00e. Balla and wonderboy voted for him in past days. Bereft is town, mitt is either town or SK. So when you say july is mafia, are you suggesting mafia bussing each others? Is that what you are doing right now? Realizing that July is in bad position and now that GGTemplar is dead you are trying to cover your track? | ||
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E00e
88 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On October 20 2013 15:23 Balla24 wrote: Alright. I'm ready to make my case on OWB as SK. Other candidates include istandwithmitt, but his low post count and relative lack of care for the game make me immediately not want to look at him. When nyx flipped it made me completly re-think all my reads, because I was SOOO certain he was sk. Point #1: Here is what initially tipped me off: A post like this might fit other players, but with my read on OWB this doesn't fit at all. This is some serious information bias, as he's been setting this up for a while to appear more town. He says he tried to save nyx... yet... he didn't.... not at all... in fact: Was posted right before july "defended" himself. This is the OPPOSITE of trying to save nyx... if this ain't a slip then I don't know what is. He left his vote on July at the end of the day, but he it didn't really seem like he cared who got lynch one way or another, even though he claims to have tried to save nyx. Here's another post that seems out of character for him: Point #2: The SK kill N2 is GGTemplar While yes, GGTemplar is mafia. I'm quite sure we can get more information out of this kill then just "SK wanted to kill a mafia". On day2, GGTemplar was literally the only one to mention OWB as a possible scum (I didn't check E00 but I don't really recall him accusing anybody but me). The only other person was July, but since july is under suspicion, killing him wouldn't be a good play for SK. Notice OWB's reaction to his posts that mention him by looking at owb's filter: NADA. He doesn't even blink. I believe that SK was less trying to target a mafia then he was trying to get the suspicions quiet. If he was trying to kill a mafia, then why wouldn't he have targetted myself or July, who were both on the verge of getting lynched whereas GGTemplar had 0 votes. You'd have to be very confident in your own reads to make a shot like that. The only person who was confident on GGTemplar was istandwithmitt, which is interesting to note if someone wants to make a case for mitt. Point #3: Deflection At this point, everybody was pretty sold with good reasoning on why Odin/playerboy were the mafia/sk kill respectively, IIRC. This seems like a feeble attempt to try to get people to consider more situations then what was reality. I say this because he drops it relatively quickly after Seuss refutes one of his points. That's all i've got. I also read this: As a soft-vigi claim originally, but the fact that there has still been no vigi kill makes me skeptical of that. Let me know if my logic is flawed or something, but with this.. ##vote: onlywonderboy Well, guess I have some explaining to do in your eyes. A post like this might fit other players, but with my read on OWB this doesn't fit at all. This is some serious information bias, as he's been setting this up for a while to appear more town. He says he tried to save nyx... yet... he didn't.... not at all... in fact: In regards to this whole nyx situation, I made it clear I didn't really want to vote nyx. I sympathized with his frustration of the game and I was right that it was very much how I felt in my first game. I made this clear by voting for July. I said I was okay with voting nyx but all I meant by that was I was fine with that town going for nyx if that's what they really wanted. You said I'm "trying to appear town," but of course I am! I still have to prove I'm town and people have been doubting me all game long. Point two is incredibly weak. One person mentioned me as a potential scum while the rest of the players seemed to have a town read on me. Why bother responding to this one post? If other people had discussed it more I would have felt the need to defend myself, but at the time it seemed incredibly random and not worth mentioning. Point three doesn't say much either. People were asking me to try and provide points of discussion and this theory happened to fall flat. Nothing more. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On October 21 2013 03:56 E00e wrote: I had you (SagaZ) or Balla as 3rd Mafia but im less sure about that. Oh really now? From the people that are here, almost everyone had a vote on July at some point, or posts pointing him as a very probable scum. In fact, everyone but you until your last post. What I think is going on here is this: You are trying to take advantage of the town being fairly innactive to push a vote on what appears to you as a "easy lynch". You see it that way because he was very close of getting lynched yesterday and gave a crappy defense. But as pointed, the only way July as mafia works is if there is some heavy mafia voting on mafia action going on. This is the first accusation you make in this whole game, baring some weak nyx vote bandwagon. It is completely different from your other posts which all have been all about defending yourself. You come trying to make some sort of mafia play and push a weak town. But your accusation doesn't make any sense with how the game evolved, and you overlooked that because as mafia you knew all along that nyx was town. I think your "accusation" on July is a big mafia slip. For emphasis: Vote E00e | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
Forgot the thingys | ||
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LoneMeow
Finland1396 Posts
onlywonderboy (1): Balla24 E00e (1): SagaZ Not voting (5): onlywonderboy, July617, E00e, Bereft, istandwithmitt Currently, onlywonderboy is set to be lynched. to deadline. Remember, voting is mandatory! If there are errors, please let us know. | ||
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