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I think Holyflare is pretty town. Liking Risen the least. Anyone hear to talk beside HF? (you can go to sleep we can talk tomorrow  ) | ||
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Nothing too alarming from Oats for me. Seems like ol' Oats from back whenever I last played with him. Agree / no? | ||
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Is your primary concern the "putting of words in your mouth"? Is Oats using faulty logic in a way that leans scum? I don't get it. | ||
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As for Dirkzor ... I'm leaning town on him. The thing reads like he came into thread while still developing thoughts, got called out and is all frazzled out for it. I disagree that voting HF is the easy way to go, because at the time three people (me then BH then clarity) had given town reads on him. Scum willingly voting HF after seeing three people give town reads means that they are ready to engage attention. So I don't think it was an easy "park my vote move along". | ||
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On October 03 2013 00:18 marvellosity wrote: You will admit, though, he's all but admitted his vote is worthless. There's quite the difference between "developing thoughts" and "voting someone based on bs" I don't see where he has admitted his vote is worthless. Poorly placed, yea, but nowhere worthless. As for voting with poor reasons, he says he misread the situation, made a vote on that, and then upon a more thorough inspection found his initial feels incorrect. Could be scum backtracking or could be town who made an honest mistake and a poor vote. I'm leaning the latter. On October 03 2013 00:21 Clarity_nl wrote: Being frazzled is exclusively a townie characteristic? Yes his vote draws attention to him but he clearly did not read the thread in enough detail to provide good reasons for his vote, which means he possibly did not read closely enough to understand thread sentiment about HF either. I never said it was, I'm saying that is how I'm reading it. Frazzled town rather than frazzled scum. I agree with you that he did not read the thread in detail. I'm not arguing against that. I'm saying that both town and scum can do that and based on his general tone / manner regarding how he deals with marv's pressure makes me lean town on him. Let's push that point: what parts of his followup look more scummy than how a town in his situation would behave? On October 03 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote: Did slOosh really do the shoot n scoot thing? Bad slOosh. I'm pretty busy so I will be shooting scooting in the daytime. I'll get to Risen and HF's meta concern when I have times. | ||
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On October 03 2013 00:55 marvellosity wrote: It's twice you've mentioned this now without any furthe explanation. Makes marv a sad little whore. Fluffy initial vote, little follow up, unnaturally defensive posture (w/ respect to BH). Will be reading his new big post and giving subsequent thoughts. @HolyFlare I'm arguing against the notion that Dirkzor did the typical scum move of parking their vote on a place where it won't be noticed and is therefore scum. That's not true. I agree that he didn't read carefully and that he retracted his initial statement. He admits making a mistake. On October 02 2013 22:38 Dirkzor wrote: Maybe I didn't value that vote so highly. Maybe I did just want to stir up things to see what fell out. I read this differently, like, he wasn't sure either kind of thing. Not a sarcastic response. As for Oats, could you explain why his unvote is scummy? As for the meta thing, "I'm not too into meta" = "I'm not into reading into people's game history and doing all that jazz, which is what you were doing." If you have specific things about his post you can point out I'd be happy to address them without using meta. | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:12 Clarity_nl wrote: His vote on HF had faulty reasoning. Once it gets asked of him to point out HF's "sheeping of BH and his lack of contributions" he backtracks, because he has to, as either alignment. I really would like you to specify what exactly gives you your townread. In your eyes, how would a scum HF react differently than how he has reacted? Or if you prefer, what is it he's done that you think he wouldn't do as scum? I think he is trying to give honestly address each question directed at him and that there is a general consistency throughout his postings / I can follow his thought process easily. | ||
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On October 02 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way. | ||
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On October 02 2013 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause its hard to see tiny little Vote FOR DUDES.  Marv you scum? To which I respond, how seriously do you take this post? Like you said he calls everyone scum all the time. I don't think most of them are earnest. | ||
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In any case I have to S&S for about an hour. :S | ||
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On October 03 2013 08:26 marvellosity wrote: alrighty. ty for your input ^^ expecting that Risen shizzle from you though :> There's nothing too compelling in the case on Clarity. There's a potentially good point in how clarity retracted his townread of me, but given clarity's explanation and the fact that he actually draws attention to it is a plus for him. He threw out his big case, and then just sits on it. There's no trying to convince people he is right, or even bring some attention to it, then he goes into sulking mode (immune to lynch? really?) without either trying to boil down his case into succinct points, or moving on to other stuff cause maybe he is wrong and it is a good time to regroup. Seems like pretense of contribution to me. Your current evaluation of Risen? Also clarity, I can see you angling for my lynch or something. Anything you want to ask me directly? | ||
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The following quotes contain wiffle-waffle: Agree / Disagree? On October 03 2013 03:01 Clarity_nl wrote: I think that's just blazinghand being blazinghand. He likes numbers and theorycrafting so despite having a scumread on oats he considers possibilities where he's town and justifies the lynch in that case. That's my interpretation anyway. He has contributed quite a bit, I don't have a solid read on him but I think he's a poor lynch today. I'd like to hear more about your thoughts on oats, and please comment on dirk as well. On October 03 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, it's not improbable for him to be scum doing all this rng business but I can't tell. He's clearly putting effort in and that's cool. | ||
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On October 03 2013 12:50 Risen wrote: I would like more people's thoughts on my case on Clarity and Clarity's response. I think it would be good if you distill it down to like, 2 or 3 quotes and explain how it is indicative of him being scum. That way it forces clarity to respond to the heart of the points and clears stuff up so other people can more easily lend their opinions. | ||
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On October 03 2013 12:55 Blazinghand wrote: he's been on my dick. just finished ocelot barbery, time to look at clarity dirk and sloosh Do you two have such a history of such being upons? | ||
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On October 03 2013 13:33 Blazinghand wrote: ok i must be having a brain fart because I really don't understand this question. what is "such being upons" and who is "you two" You and clarity. Does he have a history of "beeing on your dick"? | ||
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K, from what I've skimmed so far people don't like that I somehow switched onto clarity? On October 03 2013 09:58 slOosh wrote: There's nothing too compelling in the case on Clarity. There's a potentially good point in how clarity retracted his townread of me, but given clarity's explanation and the fact that he actually draws attention to it is a plus for him. That's what I said. Nothing that sticks out too much for me in Risen's case. If I see a weak case, then I'll call it weak. Doesn't matter what kinds of reads I have on Risen / clarity, a case's robustness is independent of that. The quotes I bring up are not in Risen's case. On October 03 2013 12:18 slOosh wrote: Booorinngg The following quotes contain wiffle-waffle: Agree / Disagree? There's no contradiction here, just a failure (by readers) to consider context. Now why I find problem with this wiffle waffle, is that clarity doesn't have a good read on BH (and spends lots of words explaning how he isn't sure), but finds it pertinent to speak on behalf of BH to rayn. How does this pursue a better read on BH? Why would you speak up for someone who you want a better read of? | ||
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On October 04 2013 05:40 marvellosity wrote: slOosh, we really just need to know what your current reads and shit are. Still reading dude. | ||
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On October 04 2013 05:41 Clarity_nl wrote: So... that makes you feel good about your vote on me? The fact that the guy I don't really have a read on, who I don't want to lynch today, is not being pursued by me? You aren't just waiting on the sidelines to see how he will act given more time. You spoke on his behalf instead of letting him being questioned. This being someone you would actually want a better read on. Why? | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i do not think Sloosh is necessarily mafia. I do not think Risen is mafia. I think Dirkzor is mafia. I hope i am gonna be back before the deadline. cya fuckers! Regarding rayn, how did I go from 2nd scum read to "not necessarily mafia", despite not having posted (and from what I've skimmed no one really argued well for my towniness)? On October 04 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so, i need to decide my vote now. I prefer Dirkzor. Clarity you are bad or scum. I guess my other options are Risen and Sloosh? If i should switch marv tell me now who to switch on. I trust you the most. I don't wanna lynch Risen, i don't wanna lynch Sloosh either.. because they have not been here, and i can't tell what they are gonna say when they come back (if they do). I don't accept Oats or marv as lynch. Likewise Risen was his 2nd top town read, and he holds some reservations about switching his vote onto me? How is me dying (opposed to Dirk) a bad scenario? | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:26 Clarity_nl wrote: I'd rather hear more about your vote on me sloosh. I think it was alright at the time. Don't hold the opinion right now give how many intertwining you've been doing with marv. | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Blazing, please some bullet points as to why you think sloosh is town? Sloosh, please some bullet points as to why you thought I was scum? And what has changed since? I've already said in my initial post. You spend a couple of posts, solely stating "I don't know how I feel about BH. I don't want to lynch him though. But I don't know how I feel.", and showed no interest in actually pursuing that. Plus you shut down a possible rayn - BH interaction by answering on behalf of BH. You did have some overlap with marv, but I took that to be too small a sample size. Given another 20+ pages, as well as some resilience to prodding, I don't feel as strong about the initial feelings. | ||
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Right now there is a very lazy wagon on me, mostly from what I can tell, a lack of good alternatives. Scum would be ok with this. They want it to eventually land on me, but in the meantime they want to make a pretense of contribution (but not too much lest the wagon actually shifts). So I'm working with a pool of rayn and BH ... ehhh .... | ||
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On October 03 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote: I don't like sloosh's reasoning for voting clarity. scummy, but not oats tier. On October 04 2013 01:25 Blazinghand wrote: OK, so I take it back. Sloosh lynch is lynching sloosh for being sloosh imo On October 04 2013 02:08 Blazinghand wrote: There is literally no possible situation in which my vote goes on sloosh On October 04 2013 06:32 Blazinghand wrote: i don't think he's scum, i won't vote him. On October 04 2013 06:35 Blazinghand wrote: ok so sloosh I don't think I can stop this wagon on you so you got 2.5 hours to live. hit me. hit me bro i want to know what you know. my mind to your mind my thoughts to yours let's meld and get some reads out Thinks I'm town, does little to actually prevent my wagon and doesn't actually offer up anything that would make him consider me town. Pretending to care about something that doesn't matter. ##Unvote: Clarity_nl ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:14 Blazinghand wrote: man sloosh I still don't see you taking up that offer to like share reads with me or whatever what is WITH people nowadays I'm looking into rayn right now so we can talk about that soon after I finish. In the meantime, could you explain how you have a strong town (not null) read on me? | ||
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How does that translate to "There is literally no possible situation in which my vote goes on sloosh"? | ||
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He says in his filter than he respects my play, but is content with letting me die, despite having very hazy reads on Dirk and Risen. There still isn't any proper case on me, despite "he was maybe right about dirk before anyone else", and "his read on clarity wasn't that good". | ||
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And yet you are content to let me sail is disconcerting. But objectively thinking that's me just being upset for being, what I feel like, as unfairly lynched. Maybe I did play really poorly. Ok. That's that. Umm ... Risen is #1 pick for having 0 followup on the clarity case. Additionally he finds rayn suspicious of finding him town, which is strange as if he was town that should be the norm. You don't actively look people with town reads on you and then do a PBPA on them. Still don't see what the problem with Dirkzor is. I think he made an honest mistake with what he perceived as a contradiction in my view of Risen's case and my vote on Clarity. Oats I probably feel moderate to strong town. We've played a bunch of games back to back so maybe that's where I'm getting it from. He is surprisingly consistent and even predictable, and his playstyle looks like that this game. Rayn I don't know too much since the majority of his posts were in the 21~40 range, which I was only able to skim. Prior to that he was pretty lackluster. Lack of activity isn't alarming (I recall he has like a 12 hr job or something), but what he did with that time "I don't know what BH is doing" and then the lack of followup on him was lame. Holyflare I felt like a meticulous person, very structured in his posts (My brain says this is what Oats initially voted him for, cause Oats doesn't like wordiness), so I relate with Holyflare. I would still take care not to let him blindside everyone b/c he is a newbie or whatever. Koshi did that during Sicilian I thinks. This leaves the trio of Marv BH and clarity. If BH didn't claim doctor I probably would still go after him. I don't like marv, but only because I'm sulky. Clarity as I have explained, you had intertwining earlier, and as i have said, I didn't feel like that was a large enough sample size. Scum can intertwine with town. But they usually won't over large portions of time, which is what pg 20~40 showed me. Yup that's it. Umm ... I'm sort of ok with dying right now ... I've made peace with it. In anycase, here's my vote of confidence fwiw after my flip. ##Unvote: Blazinghand ##Vote: Risen | ||
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Yes normally I would be kicking and screaming. But this game is my first game after maybe a season's hiatus, and I'm aware I haven't had good play. So not too much in lieu of confidence or whatnot. I'm not going to make stuff up just to save my hide. That will clutter and confuse the thread. I think I gave my best (given what I could give), and I'm content with that. If people have issue and want to bring it up later, that's fine too. | ||
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##Vote: Rayn Ehh ... I hope you are seeing something that I can't. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:56 Holyflare wrote: That you are probably town, that's what we're most likely seeing? ? I'm referring to BH's rayn read. I don't follow his logic, but I don't doubt his intentions. | ||
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On October 04 2013 09:37 marvellosity wrote: so we think Risen preferred a slOosh lynch over lynching his main scumread rayn here? he moved off his main scumread temporarily to put his vote on slOosh just to get a majority? No I think Risen was simply trying to consolidate to avoid no lynch. | ||
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On October 04 2013 09:34 marvellosity wrote: holyflare has to be town, don't think rayn makes that case on a scumbuddy How about Dirkzor? | ||
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On October 04 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn busses like fuck though, probably only second to like kush or Vivax who shoots his own teammate. How bad does he bus? B/c Holyflare wasn't under pressure / wasn't going to be a liability or anything. Dirk, maybe after his stumbling start perhaps ... In any case, we can look at these people without rayn. Oats thoughts on holyflare / risen / dirk / marv? | ||
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On October 04 2013 19:56 marvellosity wrote: It is pretty undeniable that rayn's attitude towards slOosh makes slOosh look pretty bad, imo. slOosh was 2nd scummiest for rayn after rayn went off Holy, and yet he basically outright refused to vote him. Explain. | ||
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Do we agree with a slOosh - marv - dirk lynch order? I'm ok with that if I can guarantee the 1 for 1 with marv, which will be the trickest part. | ||
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Rayn built his main case on dirk and dirk pointed out rayn pretty early in the game (~pg 20). Oats is gut feels, and my town read on him remarkably stronger than my read on marv. | ||
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(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=67#1337) The quote itself provides the explanation. Getting a larger "sample size" and "resilience to prodding" are my reasons. I was contemplating a clarity BH team at the time, given how I felt the clarity slOosh-townread with BH interaction felt like something out of BH's playbook (preemptively call yourself scummy to diffuse the situation), combined with clarity explaning BH's actions to rayn rather than letting the interaction happen / pursuing a better read on BH. Yes, I followed marv's posts on BH because they made sense. I did not understand BH's town read on me, so my thinking was that BH was letting me get lynched, but still wanted town-cred for being right and thinking I was town. I still think barring the doctor claim, I would have kept with it. During the 40 minutes BH claimed doctor. Of course that's going to shake things up. I will concede the point that I was not thorough with treatment of Dirk. I was rushed at the time / I skimmed / dismissed him as misguided townie. rayn and BH were people who I perceived as not caring about the lynch too much, despite having town reads on me. I was surprised at the flip. I still don't understand how it happened. I didn't follow up on rayn because there were other things happening that I was looking at. The quote to clarity is in the context of marv saying that he doesn't like Risen or Dirk, likes me (objectively as a player), but is content with letting me die instead of giving me another day to prove my worth. As for rayn's hesitation of lynching me, there's nothing for me to argue against, either as town or scum. I'll be back later to properly sew up some things. I'm realizing how sloppy / not good my play is. | ||
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That said, I retract my initial desire to 1 for 1 for marv. Not that I'm definite that he is town, but neither am I that confident that he is scum, and it is entirely possible that I'm making a similar kind of oversight this game as well. So I'm scratching the slate and starting over. Feel free to input thoughts and whatnot as I review the game - humor me, if you will. (Oats, this is really big post, so feel free to skip it all and call me scum  )+ Show Spoiler + 9 player game, 1 dead rayn, 1 (soon to be dead doctor) BH. 1 me. That leaves 6 players I get to give a good look at, only 1 is scum. So all interactions in the thread include at least 1 town (beside those with rayn). Oats, Dirk, marv, Risen, clarity, Holyflare On October 02 2013 10:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey let's lynch Oats, seems reasonable. dundundun. This is rayn's first (well second post). It actually is echoing HolyFlare's vote on Oats, bringing focus upon it. Don't think rayn would be so quick to point out his partner's problematic posts, but it does seem like he is drunk or something. Chalk it up as a slight town tell for HF by association. pg 5~10 and I feel good about Oats. It's rapid fire unadulterated thoughts into the thread, and there is focus to his posts (as a whole). Feeling moderate to strong town on Oats. On October 02 2013 18:55 marvellosity wrote: Ok now I read it. He provides two quotes as contextual evidence for his non-read on Oats, and none with his scumread on Holyflare. Seems like my vote is quite good. On October 02 2013 19:11 marvellosity wrote: That's totally different reasoning to the reasoning you used last page. At least you've taken to providing contextual evidence to your scumread instead of your null read now. Yay! On October 02 2013 20:27 marvellosity wrote: So you voted a scumread based on evidence that didn't exist? Your claim was effectively that he was sheeping BH and unoriginal, and now having "checked" his filter, he is in fact not sheeping BH and original after all. At this point I feel really stupid. Marv's arguments are solid. Paranoia says that scum marv would punish poor town play like this, but I'm realizing my paranoia is not the good kind. I recall marv revisiting this interaction, especially with the quote "clinically clean". I can see what he means by this. Dirk's claim is sloppy. Either HF is doing nothing, or he is doing scummy things (sheeping BH etc.) Then he says HF is clean, indicating a lack of substance, but not noting actively scummy things. At this point I give marv a solid town read and Dirkzor a slight red read. Maybe I'll just emphatic b/c he says it's his first game in a year. Moving on, Getting bored of coloring things in. pg 16 Clarity is prodding me about my bad townread on Dirk. That's sensible. You see something strange, you call that out and you probe. pg 18 rayn enters the thread and hones in on the BH / Oats thing. Does not mention me or dirk. I understand this reflects poorly on me. Cool. pg 21 rayn gives dirk an out. I believe by now I'm already prone to confirmation bias into thinking dirk is the last scum. Feel free to disregard such statements. On October 03 2013 16:32 Clarity_nl wrote: Your vote is still on him btw. I realize you made the post about voting yourself as placeholder. You are aware you can simply unvote? Who have you looked at recently other than HF/Oats and did you develop a read out of looking at them? On October 03 2013 16:52 Dirkzor wrote: I recently looked into sloosh (and found a gem I think). I am waiting for him to answer... Also in Rayn after BH asked and his case. But you would know if you read the thread as you so kindly advocated earlier that people do before asking questions... I know my vote is on him. So? Wat? That's not a response. That's an evasion. "Opinions on HF/ Oats or anyone?" *in snarky tone* "I've obviously been looking at rayn and slOosh. dummy." K by this point either I'm onto something or I have confirmation bias and so instead I'll focus on the remaining players to see how they are. ~pg 24 marv and clarity doing lots of intertwining. KISS -> they are both town. pg 25, I guess Oats was the first one to pick up the nuances of Dirk's 180. pg 26 rayn votes Dirk. Hrmph. pg 27 rayn drops everything starting with a small portion of HF's post. He really brings on the pressure, and HF doesn't buckle. Plus points for HF. contrast with pg 30 where rayn is all nice nice with Dirk. You guys can probably just stop reading here without missing anything Only person I haven't really looked into is Risen, probably because he hasn't posted as frequently. He has posted two big cases but it's hard to evaluate them. Maybe the more recent content will be helpful. pg 42, Risen comes in with a case on rayn, when there are no votes on him. So could be scum doing a false push, or town who is on the right track. Let's see how he follows up on this one. Risen's case is surprisingly solid. I apologize Risen. Maybe if you took out the parts where you point out filler (because most filters will have filler), it would have been easier to realize. In either case, Risen started his case, and received poor feedback from marv / clarity. Shameless self plug: On October 04 2013 06:23 slOosh wrote: Alright, someone who was there when it happened, maybe you can clear this up for me. Regarding rayn, how did I go from 2nd scum read to "not necessarily mafia", despite not having posted (and from what I've skimmed no one really argued well for my towniness)? Likewise Risen was his 2nd top town read, and he holds some reservations about switching his vote onto me? How is me dying (opposed to Dirk) a bad scenario? You could argue that I'm angling for a potential rayn bus. ... yea you could. I'm gonna say I was distracted from having to explain all my scummy actions earlier on. On October 04 2013 08:12 marvellosity wrote: Effectively slOosh has no scumreads, he proceeds to agree with me when I go after BH, then proceeds to agree with BH when BH claims doctor. True. This is actually true, as at the time I was scrambling to catch up and everything was too fast paced. pg 56 I drop my "i'm dying here's what I have" post. people start feeling feels, and the wagon is looking unsecure. Cue rayn's entry. Risen phone posting, looking to secure a lynch. See's BH pushing rayn wagon of justice, and is ok so joins. A stronger followup to his case would be more assuring, but it is totally understandable how little audience he has. pg 65 Risen indignant that Oats is saying he could be scum. I'd probably be that angry too. BH stole his thunder yo. So, as a pure objective observer, the lynch order should be slOosh, Dirkzor, ??? Why ??? because if I'm that wrong about Dirk then my opinions shouldn't have too much bearing 3 cycles later. I don't like a vengeful lynch on marv. Plus Dirk can flail some more with me out of the equation, and given the vast majority of town + sensible heads, shouldn't be too much of problem. p.s. paranoia says ??? should be marv because I have an unreasonable fear of his scum game, despite not actually having played against it. | ||
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Based purely on rayn's departure, Risen is the least likely I would want to lunch. I don't even think it was a potentially well planned lunch between the two. Holyflare and rayn did not eat lunch together well, so since rayn ate lunch HF doesn't. Feeling good about Oats. Last time I wanted to lunch him so hard, but someone took it away from me. Probably the same thing here. | ||
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Why Dirkzor is scum. 1) His inconsistency on HF Here is Oats' case on Dirk: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=25#493 Here is Clarity's case on Dirk: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=21#408 These have been glossed over. I'm not going to bother rehashing them. If you are calling my scummy because you are declaring me clairvoyant, then you must concede the point that Dirk's initial actions are scummy. Then for the clairvoyant argument to hold, you must prove that his actions (after I say he looks town) actually exonerate him from his earlier suspicious activity. The fact is that people's primary town reads on him come stem from his case on me. ... I'm getting really tired of this.... Umm, ok Look into rayn's filter his initial vote is dirk, but you can see he doesn't really push him. It serves as fake contribution and distances the two apart, which you suspect scum to do to some degree. I'm getting pretty upset right now over the state of affairs, but I don't know how to engage in proper discussion in-game without verbal lashing, and I really don't want to do that. Ok, I'll just roll over and die. Seriously. I gave it my best shot after a shoddy d1, I gave an earnest effort with my game reread, people's perspective on Dirk is almost rooted in the fact that he made a "decent case" on me, to the point that they are overlooking his early problem which I'm getting crap for in an unreasonable way, and that won't be gone until I flip. So I'll flip. FWIW if you guys care about what I think post flip: ##Vote: Dirkzor | ||
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