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On September 28 2013 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: /in duuude every game? Really? | ||
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Yeah I didnt roll scum!!!!!!!! Man that first post. | ||
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On September 30 2013 16:52 Oatsmaster wrote: NOOOOOOOOOO O OO O O SHIAO PI IS TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! k hiro is scum, FT might be different scumteam. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote: Risen, in a game of 9 players in which I know nothing about any of the players there is no better system to accept straight off than RNG. Obviously there are ways to get my attention drawn to other people, however, in a 'world heavyweight championship' as you so lovingly pointed out, is it really going to be that obvious when people screw up? I think not. Like I said in my original post, however, I am open to peoples opinions on other players. except that we have 48 hours to find scum and its only 2/9 chance that we get scum. And probably another 4/9 that we hit an obvious townie that is obvious town after 48 hours. Now its not so useful is it? | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:50 Holyflare wrote: So you think that BH is scum but don't vote him. That's a good stance. I think you and BH are scum. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:52 Holyflare wrote: Do you even read what is posted? So with this RNG lynch, we can lose our power roles day 1! Yeah that sounds awesome to get a slightly increased chance to lynch scum day 1. Also that 2/8 thing is bullshit, because the lynch could be anyone of us therefore its 2/9. | ||
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lol so I call someone you think is scummy too scum, and I have laughable play? Proposing a RNG lynch is totally not laughable. Totally not. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:10 Blazinghand wrote: Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now. What the fuck BH? Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in? This post makes no sense. None. | ||
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Holyflare is the right lynch!. | ||
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Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon. And cause he called Holyflare scum. | ||
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Not good at all. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:23 Blazinghand wrote: I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on. Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment. Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no? I find risen scummy for that reason. I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again. I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown! So am I scum for that too? Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob. Without actually saying those words. | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:13 Blazinghand wrote: Actually, I also find it highly interesting that you are drawing suspicion onto my methods and motives for the random vote, but not actually calling a random vote bad in and of itself. Are you claiming that the only problem with RNG is that I may have manipulated the outcome (not possible) or that the RNG I used wasn't random (it was)? And that if I could convince you that it was truly random and I didn't manipulate the outcome, you'd be fine with it? Maybe, maybe not, but you also state you're not willing to "randomly lynch someone" earlier on. So which is it? Is my vote random, or isn't it random? Are you casting doubt on it because you really doubt it? Do you have a problem with a true RNG in general (as you imply in your second post) or do you think I failed to appropriately RNG (as you imply later)? You can't both say "I won't vote Oats because I don't randomly vote" AND "the oats vote isn't random"... You can actually say the last sentence, they are not mutually exclusive. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:28 Blazinghand wrote: Yes, that's a scummy thing you did. Are you claiming it's not scummy? Your goal, especially in a small newbie like this, should be to interact and find out more about him, unless you're so clearly sure he's scum that you're done with him. Im very clearly sure he's scum. Also, you know there are pressure votes? And I can change my vote at any time? So its not like once I vote for him, I cant change my mind. So yeah, I dunno why you are calling me and Risen scum because we have scumreads we are willing to vote on. Why isnt Holyflare interacting with me if he called me scum then? | ||
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As any alignment? | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:33 Blazinghand wrote: I don't see how your vote being a pressure vote means that you can't write a case, try to convince people, or hell, try to interact with the guy you're supposedly pressuring. Of course you can change your mind! The fact that you and Risen are scummy (and i'm not 100% sure that either of you are scum, of course) isn't that you vote, it's HOW you vote. Do you understand this? So you thing this is... null? or are you just whining. I dont understand how you equate having a extreme stance on someone from their first post = scummy. Both me and Risen explained reasons to think that Holyflare is scum and you seem to think that Holyflare is scummy too. WHAT THE FUCK IS THERE TO CONVINCE YOU ABOUT ?? ? ? ?? ? I dont know if you are bad or if you are scum BH. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:31 Blazinghand wrote: Look, Oats, you have to admit, it IS pretty weird that Risen hasn't been trying to convince me, right? Like, even drawing some weird unflipped associative tell shit you can't just go and say "I'm not going to try to convince BH, who's literally in the thread right now and rather influential as a town player, that HF is scum". You also have to admit, do you not, that given that holyflare IS LITERALLY A NEWBIE, it's possible he doesn't get what playing the newb card means? It's possible that yes, the reaction should be suspicion, but also an attempt to draw him into conversation? That not doing that is sub-optimal, and therefore scummy? Literally a newbie doesnt mean you play the noob card unless you think it helps you. I only remember playing the noob card in my first few scumgames but none of my towngames because it served no purpose. Why do you think Holyflare is a complete and total idiot that is bad at mafia? | ||
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Gone for like 12 hours. | ||
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I don't say holy flare is a complete and total idiot that is bad at mafia. Another lie from oats. The point I'm getting at is, the noob card is not an auto scum read, and honestly, although I find it scummy, my reaction isn't to vote him then use that as an opportunity to opt out of the thread. I use it as an opportunity to opt INTO the thread. I dont understand what opting in and out of the thread means. Can super obviously town BH explain? | ||
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the point i'm getting at here isn't that having a strong stance early on is scummy. THIS IS NOT MY POINT. STOP LYING AND STATING THAT IT IS MY POINT. my point is the lack of follow-up, the lack of interaction with the guy being voted or the guy not voting him. After all, if I REALLY do think holyflare is scummy, you should be all over me trying to refine my scumread on him. I shouldn't have to twist your arm to get you to do this. So you vote for someone then you ask him to explain? If I think a guy is scum, then why do I have to have interaction with him? And if everyone else in the thread thinks the same way, then why do I have to have interaction with them? | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:47 Blazinghand wrote: The answer seems obvious to me. Your goal is to establish the alignment of the guy you have a scumread on. Sure, you think he's scum, but you don't KNOW. So you talk with him. You talk with other players and try to convince them. Maybe they support you, maybe they point out how he's scummier or townier than you thought. In these interactions, most people betray what alignment they are through how they think-- be they town or scum. The goal is to develop a co-operative discourse in which people all have solid reads on each other. It involves an acknowledgement that part of what writing a case and voting is, is pressure-- it's developing your read. When you lie, I will call you a liar. Quote me instead of putting words in my mouth. oh dude, I know that Holyflare is scum. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:48 Blazinghand wrote: I'm not voting you because you lied, Oats. I'm calling you a liar because you lied. Im not saying you voted me because of that BH. You liar. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:51 Blazinghand wrote: I didn't say you said I voted you because you lied. huehuehuehue I guess you dont understand english. Oh well. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you think Holyflare might be town BH? Let me rephrase this so we dont have any misunderstandings. Are there any reasons for you to think that Holyflare might be town? | ||
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it's the top scum play to stifle discussion. With his sure stance on me being scum and despite me resonding why I posted what I did is it not he who is in fact stifling the discussion? I meant saying that someone is stifling discussion is what scum always like to do. The fact that you say everyone else agrees with you in this thread is just testament to the fact that you have put no effort or thought into your stance and are just going with the flow to follow up for an 'easy' lynch. Everyone else thinks that you are scummy. Therefore I cant do anything more to convince people at this point of time. COME ON HOLYFLARE. STOP POSTING LONG POSTS. NOT GOOD. You and BH are probably not on the same scumteam but I have a way more sure read on you than on BH. BH, is Holyflare a noob or not? | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:56 Blazinghand wrote: Really i currently for example have no reason whatsoever to believe, say, Sloosh is town, since he hasn't really posted, but that doesn't mean I'll vote him. in my opinion there needs to be a certain critical mass of evidence before i'm willing to cast a vote, even a pressure vote. Thats your opinion, everyone is entitled to one. Actually BH, lets say someone obviously fakeclaims like cop. Would you instantly vote for him? | ||
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Play nicely guys. | ||
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Dirkzor, why havent you voted for someone else yet? | ||
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##vote Dirkzor also sheeping marv is cool. | ||
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What? Marv, I liked his posts after I left, and thought from the perspective of not a cynical old fart and thought that HF is probably town. However, if he doesnt convince people to vote for me or convince dudes to vote for someone else, then THE PRESSURE IS ON BABY! | ||
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On October 02 2013 23:09 Clarity_nl wrote: If that were the case I'd have about 5 scumreads DO YOU? Man talk to me Clarity, Why isnt your vote on a dude and why arent you doing anything about it? | ||
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 Marv you scum? | ||
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Hmm. Ok so another reason why I think HF is town. If marv is scum with him, then Marv wont call him town. If marv is town, marv is probably right. So both ways, HF is town I think. I think that marv is null, he hasnt shown much of anything either way. | ||
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On October 03 2013 00:14 marvellosity wrote: I said he "felt quite town" Let's not be exaggerating now its cool man, it rustles BH's jimmies. | ||
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If you agree with Marv on his vote, why is it such a factor to you that someone else agrees with it so openly? At least he has put forth reasoning into his voting, even if it is similar to marvs. Yours just straight up changed until you were pressured to post why you switched and even then you haven't told us why you are voting dirk? What? I just pointed out something humorous. why so srs. Also I agree with whatever Marv and clarity said about Dirkzor. Dirkzor had "an extreme stance on a first post" but it's ok to vote him now for it? Especially as you now say: Its null. Holyflare, can you verbalise why you think im scum in like 3-4 points please so I can address/destroy them. | ||
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Why. | ||
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On October 03 2013 02:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why don't you look like usual town Oats? What is 'usual' town Oats? | ||
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real fucking useful rayn. Vote for me then. And back it the fuck up. | ||
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I say we lynch Dirkzor than rayn. | ||
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Sloosh, the whole process of voting and unvoting with Dirkzor is really scummy because who votes and then unvotes whithin like 3-4 posts going, OH SHIT I DIDNT READ IT PROPERLY, HES TOTALLY NOT SCUM. Also his atittude towards marv and clarity was weird, kinda like he treated them as confirmed town. | ||
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Abnormal behavior doesnt immediately mean SCUM. | ||
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It feels like for me he is going from one target to the next. Like, Hey Holyflare looks scummy lets push him. Then oh man cant lynch, ok Clarity looks ok. Yeah. | ||
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On October 03 2013 18:57 marvellosity wrote: Sorry, why is going after more than one target scummy? Also who was it that raised concerns about Clarity before Risen? Its that he went after only 1 target at a time. Like the mindset isnt finding scum, its trying to look good. I dont remember, but possibly sloosh. | ||
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On October 03 2013 17:06 Dirkzor wrote: I don't think he is a good lynch if that's what you are asking... There are something about him. He posts the way I would If I was scum. Openly and making cases without really following through with anything. Like this post Link. It is a good constructed post and actually have some good points, but where is the punch at the end. What is he trying to do beside having thread presence? So, yeah it is still somewhat feel based... He says that Sloosh made a good post. And somehow twists it into something that is scummy. Why? | ||
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Not sure how you guys think that it affects my read on him. | ||
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Its still bad. | ||
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Still weird though. | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:16 marvellosity wrote: Why is it bad? And if it's bad, why is bad = scummy? Oats, you need to not just SAY things, you need to explain things, or you're completely worthless. Atm it sounds like you're clinging to a false read. I really dont want to quote it pbp but summary of why the case is bad is, He straight up twists what clarity is saying in his first post and also noob claims in the same paragraph. I can tell you now I think it's almost impossible to have a scum read stronger than 60/40 day 1. It's not logical to have a scum read day 1 when there is so little to go off of. Looks like he is trying get ready to back off his Holyflare vote IMO because there is no traction for it. He then criticizes clarity's stance on RNG lynching and a question he had, both which make perfect sense to me and theres nothing to ask there. Risen is reaching for anything to call Clarity scum for and thats totes scummy. Actually marv, yeah that's a very good reason to vote like that. I know you're being sarcastic in the quote, but wouldn't scum marv want to lead a lynch instead of adopting one later? Why does Clarity not see this, but instead immediately drops his pressure on marv? There's no way he has any sort of town read on marv at this point. Does clarity know something I don't? This is just so full of bullshit. Its not scummy to lead a mislynch, leading a lynch isnt alignment indicative at all for marv. So therefore there is nothing for Clarity to see and that again, Risen is making things up to justify a scumread on Clarity. | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:28 marvellosity wrote: Alright  Don't you find, usually, that townies have totally rank confirmation bias like this? Normally mafia aren't so ... blatant. Yes/no? Not really no, I mean assuming Risen is town, he must of seen enough from Holyflare to unvote and so therefore he clearly can detunnel and shit. But man, that case is so bad. Would he have confirmation bias in one case but not the other? I dont agree man. | ||
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I just saw sloosh indirectly defend clarity then 2 posts later vote for him off like 2 posts of wiffle-waffle? Man even I dont 180 that fast. Especially since those posts dont contain Wiffle-waffle. In fact, if Clarity votes for BH today or tmr, barring a 'scumslip' then I will be incredibly surprised. Sloosh needs to explain his clarity vote. | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:42 marvellosity wrote: I'm curious how you missed this at the time, and the subsequent 10 times it's been mentioned in the thread?  Just to recap then - who are your suspicions? Dirkzor still scummiest, or? lol probably because I was sleeping then read the thread a bit too fast. | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote: lol ok. One last thing - how do you feel about me, given my vote is on you right at this moment? I feel that you are still really null. But considering you know exactly how I played in Golden Sun, that vote was a bit weird. Im thinking it was a pressure vote so yeah Leaning town for now. Depends. If we lynch scum, then you probably are town, if we dont lynch scum today then you are more likely to be scum. | ||
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On October 02 2013 22:45 Dirkzor wrote: If I'm scum I wouldn't draw that much attention to myself. Meh... I find that I dont actually say this in my scum games, only my town games but maybe its just me. | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:49 marvellosity wrote: Why is this? How often have I been in a town that's lynched mafia Day 1 in the last 6 months? Feels a bit setup-y, Oats my boy. Well. Ok so we lynch scum today right. Would scum Marv be so bad as to allow his scumbuddy to be lynched? Nah I dont think so. AT THIS TIME. And if we lynch town today, there are 8 players left right? Im town. So 2 scum 5 town. You are more likely to be scum than today right? YEAHH!! MATH! | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:51 Dirkzor wrote: I didn't 180. (read thread. The post you quoted earlier was me saying there is still something about him i find a bit scummy) I didn't read the same filter twice. I read the thread and put my thought in a post. Then after being pushed by marv and clarity went back and compared BH's and HF's filters to see where HF had sheeped BH like i felt he had. Thats when I saw that it wasn't so. LIES. On October 02 2013 19:10 Dirkzor wrote: Yes he have been posting, but when I read it I don't really see any meat. Might just be me but that's how I see it. Some of his posts seems to be just for the sake of posting. + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2013 12:52 Holyflare wrote: Do you even read what is posted? On October 02 2013 14:05 Holyflare wrote: Stop posting long posts??? It's called analysis of a player. The fact that even after I've posted that you aren't asking me anything, aren't trying to discover whether I am in fact town or not and aren't trying to decipher other peoples motives is just rubbing me the wrong way. It's easy to jump on a player because he played the noob card but there are 2 scum in this game not just one. If i were to be lynched and did indeed flip town then wouldn't you regret not pressuring other people on why they think i'm a sure fire scum? When I read through his filter it feels clinicly clean. Don't know how to describe it really... it like trying to get rotten wood look fresh on the surface. So here I would assume you have a scumread on him. Then On October 02 2013 20:11 Dirkzor wrote: Thank you. Ok. So I went back to find evidence that HF have been sheeping BH. Not much was found... Only little thing was this (and it's not really worth noting in the sheeping department): And now you think hes townie. After reading the same exact filter. Or saying you had. Which is the same thing. | ||
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On October 03 2013 19:57 marvellosity wrote: Your faith is touching, Oats. Sadly in Hero Mafia one of my scumbuddies did indeed get lynched Day 1. Not that that stopped me winning obviously. 2 player scumteam different from 3 player scumteam. Anyway, yeah so far, I think my scale of scumreads are SCUMMY__ Dirkzor Sloosh Risen man that 180 so bad. | ||
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Then its still a good thing for him. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, why do I have to quote this post and ask you what you mean. Why can't you just say what you mean, instead. What do you mean? Townies always want to lynch townOats | ||
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Seriously. Scum never try to seriously mislynch townoats. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:27 marvellosity wrote: by the way - scum don't have to, because you play so terribly that town do the job for them. you should probably think about that a little. Cheap shot man, this has nothing to do with what im talking about. | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:32 marvellosity wrote: It's not a cheap shot, it's true. You're always a possible mislynch and mafia don't have to push you because you're scummy enough that town will push you on their behalf. That's just fact. rayn, my dear. I think we both know that a decent way of reading your alignment is how you go after your targets and how confrontational and aggressive you are. Even if I take your busyness claim at face value, how do you imagine I or other people in the game go about getting a townread on you, should you be town? Its not relevant in the slightest. | ||
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Rayn, it is a random lynch. | ||
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I do not follow. | ||
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##vote sloosh | ||
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So whats true? | ||
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Other people fucked up the other ones. I saved one lylo game too. So im like 1 for 1. Fuck you too BH. I hope you bump on the edge of a doorway and get a small bruise. | ||
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Also how Marv is unwilling to put his vote on Dirkzor is how I imagine scum marv would avoid lynching a teammate but still have him be scummy. | ||
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Can you expand on the part where sloosh knows too much HF? | ||
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Occasionally I feel that someone is town and cant explain it too. | ||
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So what do you think it makes Dirk if Sloosh is scum? | ||
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What the fuck BH, Im saying that sloosh flips scum. Is Dirk scummier or townier because sloosh defended him? Its totally legitimate speculation | ||
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WHY CANT I SPECULATE WITH PEOPLE. W WHYYY. Im going to sleep, vote is not going off sloosh, either BH gets mocked or mocks us. | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:41 marvellosity wrote: This is a very stupid post. I wouldn't have gone balls after Dirk if he was my scum-mate. If there's anything that's obvious in this game, it's that. But you arent lynching him today. its not like it even matters right marv? You arent scum. | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:43 marvellosity wrote: Doesn't make the post any less stupid. Its my opinion. You are welcome to have your opinion about my opinion, but of all the things that have been posted since you last posted, you pick that post to focus on? | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:44 marvellosity wrote: Stupidity is always concerning, it's why I'm always shouting at you. How is it stupid if its not possible? | ||
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Since Dirkzor cant be your scumbuddy, who is the most likely player in your interactions with him to be scum buddies with you? Like you act a certain way towards your scumbuddy right? So which person is your scumbuddy if you were scum marv? | ||
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Well he clearly doesnt want to convince BH to vote for sloosh, or to scumhunt so yeah thats what I took away from this. And I still fail to see, 1. How its stupid. 2. Why you care. | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:51 marvellosity wrote: The fact you don't understand why it's stupid is why you're so stupid, oats. what is "it's" exactly? | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:51 marvellosity wrote: How have I failed to scumhunt? I've literally produced more content than anyone else in the game. My vote is on who I think is most likely to be mafia. A couple of hours ago I explained my stance on everyone in the game. Im talking about your post that you chose to make. Is it really that hard to understand? | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:54 marvellosity wrote: Oats, go to bed. You're unbelievably irritating. You're the one who called me stupid and chose to take an incredibly defensive stance towards a joke. I dunno man, I would say you are being the irritating one. With the post calling me stupid, are you convincing anyone to vote for sloosh or scumhunting? No. Thats not a bad thing at all. Thats just what it is, So I thought you clearly want to talk about your potential scumbuddies. I guess you dont. Men so hard to understand...... | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:57 Clarity_nl wrote: I'll help you out here oats, just because I want this to end. In chronological order. Oats: Also how Marv is unwilling to put his vote on Dirkzor is how I imagine scum marv would avoid lynching a teammate but still have him be scummy. marv: that's dumb, if I were scum I wouldn't have pushed dirk so hard Oats: GARBLE GARBLE HOW CAN IT BE DUMB WHEN IT CANNOT EXIST RAWR I CLEVER marv: regardless of my alignment your point is dumb Oats: clearly you want to talk about this marv: I do not oats: GE;LREGPOWEVCWEPOVWGEPH sleep deprivation GL;EWGEOPBVEBVOEIBE but thats not the point im trying to make. ........... .. . . . .. . .. . .. . . . .. . | ||
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Risen might be scum for posting another horrible case butttttt that case was on scum. Funnily enough, he never kept his vote on Rayn though. He kept switching around and seemed really like ok about doing so. Dirk might be scum still, he wasnt around during the shennies at all I think. Holyflare says things that make me want to lynch him but ill give me the noob card for now. | ||
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On October 04 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote: CLEARLY I HAVENT LYNCHED ENOUGH SCUM IN THE PAST 6 HOURS Since you are dying, I wanna milk every last bit that I can. | ||
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On October 04 2013 16:47 Blazinghand wrote: yeah honestly everyone on the rayne wagon is like super kosher tbh, which means the last scum is probably between Dirk, Oats, and Marv. So who is it? | ||
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On October 04 2013 19:28 Clarity_nl wrote: I don't remember a single thing you've done this game Thats cause you're bad. I mean, Ive done at least 10 stupid things, Right MARV? Marv, risen is town cause he couldve gone on sloosh with 4 minutes left, same with clarity. And HF. But sloosh couldnt have. Maybe it was between 2 scum day 1. | ||
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On October 04 2013 23:20 Clarity_nl wrote: he was absent. Oats you keep doing this thing where you just come into the thread and parrot whatever is being said at the time =/ And? | ||
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On October 04 2013 23:29 Clarity_nl wrote: Nothing, really. That was the end of my thought process. Hey you wanna speculate how Marv could be scum? | ||
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Risen + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2013 00:01 Risen wrote: I think we should be lynching into dirk/oats/marv. Dirk - Came in swinging to the wrong tune, very quickly changed his tune, and for me has blended right into the game (null). Oats - this guy is crazy. Absolutely nuts and making it impossible to read him. If his meta is this as town then I imagine as scum he gets called out immediately so why WOULDN'T he play like this? I'm immune to the bullshit thinking of "too crazy to be scum". He's not null, he's scummy to me, but he's not the scummiest. marv - I never think I'll see the day where I feel marv will be playing against town as town. Of these three I want marv lynched the most. Of all the people I have played mafia with marv is the person I have come to view as the best, and the person I respect the most (I think there's a reason he was chosen as a representative). When he cracked down on me earlier I stepped away from the game (I was busy anyways, but usually I'm on my phone posting) because I thought this guy is an amazing player and he thinks I need to be better. So I thought I would read filters and post a case as soon as I was able (yesterday I was out all day barring a very small window for lunch). I woke up and read filters. I did not like rayn immediately. I went into the filters expecting to continue my case on Clarity, but I remembered how rayn played in GoT. I really hated how rayn seemed sleazy to me just like he seemed sleazy in GoT with me in PM chat, but I didn't want to say that because that's meta (unverifiable meta), I want my cases to stand on their own. So I go through his filter and make my case. Then that case gets shouted down for being too long and impossible to read. Looking back at that now, I see the problem and my cases going forward will not be like that, they will be concise and to the point. I really think my case would have been considered much more if I had posted the last summary alone. Now, for why I think marv i sscum As scum or town I think marv plays an amazing game, but I also think as scum he is prone to do more crazy things than as town. Maybe that's because I hydra'd with him. I thought marv was town because he was helping me without doing the bullshit this is totally town Risen, so by proxy he was helping town. In my mind you lynch the people who are playing anti-town, and that's it. Day 1 that's usually the person posting largely filler and sheeping and making town reads to buddy people. At the end of the day town will do their best to play for town, and scum will do their best to blend with town or they will do something that will make people think "scum couldn't do this". I do not believe that the town marv I know would try to hobble town that hard. I believe he dislikes BH a lot. I don't think he's lying there, and that's what makes for the best "holy shit I can't believe he did that as scum" plays. I said this in Noir, and I'll say it here. Town players do not make big plays like that. It's an ongoing game so I can't comment fully, but there was one thing I was pretty adamant about in that game that people did not follow. I don't think marv would do this to us as town. Lynch the person who played anti-town and then admitted he played anti-town. Tomorrow I will be voting to lynch marv. No sloosh in this thread | ||
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I was surprised at the flip. I still don't understand how it happened. Man this sentence seems so unnatural. | ||
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Why should we not lynch sloosh risen? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:25 marvellosity wrote: except i'm town and most of town aren't morons so we won't lynch me tomorrow ez This is not an answer marv. | ||
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Marv, you dont have a reason to not get lynched day 2 rather than day 3. 0 reasons. You are just saying, DONT LYNCH ME DAY 2. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:32 marvellosity wrote: because sloosh is scum you fucking moron and i want to lynch scum how hard is that to understand? Why do you want to lynch scum? You already lynched scum day 1, ISNT THAT ENOUGH? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you want to lynch scum? You already lynched scum day 1, ISNT THAT ENOUGH? Well I shouldve capitalized the YOU because we can still lynch scum after you die marv. My Apologies. | ||
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marv agreeing to lynch him first before sloosh would be extremely dumb Why? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:37 marvellosity wrote: do you just flail your hands at the keyboard oats? is it pure luck that you actually type in words? I think its probably half luck and half spellcheck | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Imagine you're town. You are so certain that someone is scum so you say "lynch him, if he doesn't flip scum, lynch me" (this is silly but go with it) Now, someone asks you "why don't you think it's a better idea to lynch you first?" Are you going to say: "YEAH GREAT IDEA LETS DO THAT INSTEAD!!" ? I wouldnt make such a big fuss out of it because it achieves the same end result. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:39 marvellosity wrote: and yes i've not been mislynched in my last 35 towngames or so, so it would be nice not to be mislynched this game. aha! So heres the reason. Also marv, arent you banking your 35 towngames on the fact that you read sloosh correctly? ARE YOU SURE?? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:43 marvellosity wrote: as long as you know we'll never play a game together again, oats. I kinda think its worth it. Maybe its the sleep talking. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:48 Clarity_nl wrote: This is why you're so fucking useless, or at the very least annoying Im sorry, did you want to explain for the 50th time why sloosh was scum? Nope? Thought so. Now shut the fuck up and stop disturbing my immensely important train of thought. | ||
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Good night. :> | ||
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Dirkzor, I was talking about the fact that Risen seems to think sloosh is town. | ||
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I would lynch Risen after sloosh and not lynch marv at all. | ||
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I mean, as town, HOW DO YOU FORGET ABOUT SLOOSH? Also cause im town, I think you are town, I think Clarity and HF are town and marv. So risen and sloosh are left. I dont know what you want from me Dirkzor, but Clarity is the king of explaining things, Im like a peasant. | ||
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Marv, Risen or Dirkzor assuming sloosh isnt scum? | ||
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Can you count troll to content posts please? And can you say what percentage is trolling the entire game Risen? | ||
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I say lynch Risen. What do you say clarity? | ||
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On October 06 2013 18:36 Holyflare wrote: Yeh lynch the guy who made a tunnel case and voted his scum partner when he could've just lynched sloosh.. That's logical. SO WHO DO WE LYNCH THEN? | ||
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Sloosh flips town, WE EITHER LYNCH DIRK OR RISEN. So I say Risen because I think him skirting around the sloosh lynch being really scummy, and I see Dirk being genuine and all. Bussing is possible guys. | ||
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On October 06 2013 21:04 Clarity_nl wrote: To be fair all we have to discuss is scenarios where sloosh flips town because he's rolled over and died I'm sure as hell not letting him live. Oats explain why Risen is most likely scum, assuming sloosh flips town. Because hes been making cases and not pushing them the whole game, and he is not thinking about sloosh in the post that he posted after the night. He was focused on the people who werent on rayn. BUT sloosh should be included as he had no choice. Why does Risen not include sloosh? Because he doesnt actually care about finding scum, he just wants to look good. | ||
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On October 06 2013 18:46 Dirkzor wrote: Haha. Yeah. I don't get how you can call Risen scum, Oats. The more you do it the more I want to lynch you after sloosh. At some point before lynch D3 (if we get so far) I'll look into to your D1 action and interactions. Can't really be bothered right now. Sloosh, other then my bad entrance to the thread what have I really done to be scum? Oh so you rather get lynched instead? Also to everyone else, This is such a townie post man. The first part. | ||
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Im saying we either lynch you or risen. And you are criticizing me for wanting to kill Risen. Instead of you. Thats the townie part. | ||
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On October 06 2013 22:14 Dirkzor wrote: Oats, you really stopped making sense about 3hours into this game... =( Whatever. | ||
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On October 06 2013 23:31 Holyflare wrote: So who did you target oats? Risen stayed on the rayn wagon, made a case on rayne and could have easily stayed on sloosh and there would still be 2 mafia alive. What sense does that make? Now if you're saying he killed his team mate purely for town cred then fine, however, sloosh has all but given up, dirkzor screwed up at the start of the game and you spend very little time contributing. Why would the guy who actually made a case and lynched off the mafia be a higher candidate lynch than the rest? BECAUSE IM FUCKING TOWN. AND DIRKZOR IS WAY MORE CONTRIBUTING THAN RISEN. Im saying that Risen killed rayn for towncred | ||
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On October 06 2013 23:55 Holyflare wrote: He said already that was because sloosh wasn't him (who the other wagon was on) read his filter please. Just because you say you are town does not mean you've done anything to prove it to us. Yeah but if im scum im also not gonna lynch myself. So obviously im gonna say im town. Ok so where did Risen say he didnt want to lynch sloosh anymore? | ||
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On October 07 2013 10:10 Risen wrote: I can't get over this statement. He's holding onto it where marv realized he was wrong. Why is he holding onto it so hard? Why isn't he willing to put in the effort to think? Because he feels he doesn't have to because he's scum What? Can you explain why Dirkzor is scum then? Also marv is too dick to be scum On October 05 2013 03:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok so I prefer to lynch marv tmr because that would be hilarious and I like hilarious things. Like BH almost getting lynched. On October 05 2013 03:43 marvellosity wrote: as long as you know we'll never play a game together again, oats. | ||
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On October 07 2013 10:43 Risen wrote: EBWOP: And too dick to be scum? Really? Being a dick is soooo hard to fake. That comes off as knowing too much, and you're sharing town reads at night like you're not afraid of them dying because you shared too much information you completely do not understand. | ||
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On October 07 2013 10:40 Risen wrote: What is there to respond to in that? He's not even trying. I repeat, HE. ISN'T. TRYING. Trying to do what? | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:02 Risen wrote: EBWOP: No, not ignored, because people need to understand that you're scum. You're not trying to lynch scum. You're not trying to find scum. You're not trying to protect your town reads. You're trolling. What have you even done? You have managed to stay alive because you've convinced everyone else that being horrible is your meta. Congratulations. Im sorry? Im horrible or scum? I cant be both. | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:23 Risen wrote: I'm saying you're playing horribly on purpose as a front. So when Im trying to advance the game in the situation that sloosh flips town, Im horrible? Explain how that works Risen. | ||
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So what was I doing? | ||
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On October 07 2013 11:28 Risen wrote: EBWOP: You've been tunneling me for some unknown reason to the point of playing stupid on purpose. I think you are keepiung your pressure on me and not backing off because you're afraid of appearing scummy. So I should think that Dirkzor is scum to be not horrible Risen? | ||
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I DONT NEED TO MAKE A CASE. | ||
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Game is hard. | ||
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Also he calls for me to make a case on someone. But wheres his case on me? His reasons are even flimsier than mine and he still dares to ignore me and not try and convince me that he is town. LYNCH HIM. | ||
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On October 07 2013 22:30 Holyflare wrote: Oats, let's talk hypothetically here. If you knew sloosh was town and everyone was going to vote him. What would you do for an entire cycle? You'd probably sit back and let other people do things right, it's a free cycle of 0 scum hunting. If you are town you should be looking at the people who either weren't doing any of that or were trying to stifle that discussion. I know you are keen to say marv is town etc etc, but he was "so sure" that sloosh would flip scum that he has done none of that and questioned others attempts to continue playing the game. Isn't that the perfect cover for scum to do nothing? Now, dirk on the other hand. He knows we're all going to focus sloosh. So why not make a case that looks bad on him and put the final nail into the coffin? It did look pretty convincing and the fact that sloosh just effectively rolled over was more than annoying, however, you can't rule out these 2. Also, marv. Vice versa. Oats did extra scum hunting, particularly pointing out that risen didn't vote sloosh etc. Isn't it overkill to do that extra scum hunting when we "knew" that sloosh was scum? I thought sloosh was scum, but since its a preordained lynch, sloosh is not the topic of conversation. So instead of letting the thread stagnant and become boring, I decided to push other people in case sloosh flipped town. And it turns out that sloosh is town. So its not a waste of time. YAY! Why dont you address WHY I'm calling marv town HF? Instead of pointing out reasons he is scummy? | ||
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On October 07 2013 22:57 Holyflare wrote: Oats i'm only voting into the pool of people that were on sloosh at the first day, you are one of them. I'm trying to find out why you are town compared to say dirk or marv. Why? | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:18 Clarity_nl wrote: Bussing your teammate happens. But rayn was completely off the map. To bus him day 1 when there's no way he gets lynched is just dumb. Yes, scum are dumb too sometimes (rayn is the evidence of that) but I just don't see it. No, the point is, RISEN DIDNT ACTUALLY PUSH RAYN. He just posted a case and fucked off. Then BH and you started getting into it. And holyflare. | ||
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Ok HF, if you ignore the Rayn lynch, who do you want to lynch the most? | ||
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So who dies tonight? Im thinking Clarity or marv. | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:35 Holyflare wrote: I really need to read around a bit more, but the people I will be reading are you, marv and dirk. Why are we 3 the scummiest if we ignore the rayn lynch? Come on HF, work with me. | ||
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On October 07 2013 23:41 Holyflare wrote: why would I ignore the rayn lynch? Stop working against me Because its an exercise to get you to think about Risen being scum Rayn didnt get lynched/was town. Its night. Just do it. | ||
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, this wouldn't happen if he was a scum partner with rayn would it, he asked how to improve it, agreed that he could have cut out half of it etc etc. If you're convinced someone is scum you look at everything incriminating which he did, literally everything. What is the difference between town Risen finding scum Rayn and Scum Risen finding scum Rayn. Can you make a case on me that shows what mafia motivation I have for posting the way I have been posting? | ||
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On October 08 2013 03:02 Risen wrote: This is a main reason I want Oats lynched, and yet we have mr lynch me d2 coming in with the same point. Tell me marv, would you have kept your vote on someone if there was a last second bus being moved onto you? No, you wouldn't have. You would have kept a no lynch or yourself lynch from occuring and would have voted sloosh. This is so fucking scummy. You're not stupid, Oats isn't stupid, you both can't be scum and yet you're both doing the same exact thing. So this screams to me that you're scum playing to Oats' fears. If I'm scum marv I'm shooting HF tonight and riding Oats to a Risen lynch then lynching Oats as the creator of the Risen lynch. You even have HF in the thread saying exactly why Oats is wrong on this point and my post from earlier saying why this post is wrong and you STILL say something like this. Why are you soft pushing this so hard? Why don't you find Oats scummy for his push on me when you should? Town marv sees this and finds Oats scummy and wants to lynch Oats in spite of the whole quote me d2. The whole point of the rayn lynch is to get you cred. Thats how it works. And you cant see this. Thats really odd Risen. For being such an accomplished scum player, you CANNOT see what the mafia point of view for bussing Rayn. That means you are scum. Totally caught Ace by this heuristic. | ||
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On October 08 2013 02:40 Dirkzor wrote: Just throwing thoughts out here now. I am trying to re-read D1 when I came upon this post from our Scum Rayn. If I made a post like that as scum I would almost always include my scumbuddy. Either as a sure townread or a potential lynch target. We know Sloosh was town. If I add my own reads I get the conclusion that Oats is that last scum... I've had a pretty good town read on marv most of the game and don't believe Risen made his case on Rayn as scumbuddy. That leaves Oats. At this point in the game Oats hadn't really done anything (imo) to warrent such a strong no-lynch comment which makes it stand out to me. This is just my thoughts loudly when I saw it... (maybe because I already think oats is scum I make things fit... anyway) I questioned him multiple times WHY he had the townread on me, im pretty sure. Scum like to give townreads because then they dont have to fake suspicion on people. But not too many townreads. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:07 Risen wrote: EBWOP: And why the fuck aren't Clarity and HF scum bussers, too? You've singled me out, why? How do you know they're town and not bussing? Your logic is so inconsistent you have to be scum. Oh but suddenly HF is your dark horse candidate. Sloosh was the first candidate to be pushing a bus over a no lynch, but that didn't work out. So now you've moved on to the next person you want lynched for bussing. Here's a thought, maybe scum didn't bus d1? Maybe scum agenda is to create all this conversation around a bus that didn't actually occur in order to get three people who didn't vote rayn all the way to d4 then have a fucking crapshoot in the dark. How have you not considered this? This isn't an AHA moment, because this is actually happening. You keep saying Dirk/Risen who's scum and then you only pressure me Maybe bus is the wrong word. You guys only decided to bus after BH started pushing hard and rayn got votes. Not before that. Who pushed Rayn before that? Clarity and HF. Also clarity is totes town other than the Rayn thing. My question to you Risen, is why dont I just push Dirk as scum? Isnt that WAY EASIER? I can make a case focused around the HF vote at the start and probably stuff surrounding rayn. Its not that hard. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:03 Risen wrote: I see. When I call rayn for having a town read on me it's scummy, when you do it it's kosher. Got it. More scum bullshit. What? I never said that. | ||
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On October 08 2013 04:02 Risen wrote: No, you're wrong. I know the point of bussing, I see the point of someone doing it. This is an AHA moment you're trying to push when it's not. You're desperately clinging to something that isn't there. That's scummy. If either of you actually said, Risen is just bussing his teammate and then backed it up with anything that would be another story. Instead we have you saying oh look how he tried to get sloosh lynched when Risen was the only other candidate. I respond to that point and you jump out with AHA! SEE SCUM! Get your fucking push straight. No one is this incompetent. This is Oats trying to fabricate something that isn't there. I really dont understand what my point above has to do with any of your recent replies. It has much more to do with when you FIRST called me scum. | ||
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Tell me Risen, if you are scum, would you push Oats or Dirkzor? Also I say shit like that in NONE OF MY SCUMGAMES. Its my version of STARSENSES | ||
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You would get absolutely SLAMMED. Risen, why would you push me as scum? Also, what trap is there? Its not a setup question. Everything I post you construe as scummy. Thats tunneling Risen. Good townies dont tunnel. I guess you are playing as bad as me if Im town. Sad. Im not even gonna say anything about the Clarity thing because its such a small thing that both scum or town wont bother to check it anyway. You didnt check it. | ||
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On October 08 2013 05:25 Risen wrote: What? Did I go too far? It's an evolution of OMGUS, it's "oh my god you don't suck this bad I have faith in humanity to be better than this". I've been working on a cool acronym and I'm coming up blank. If I die, lynch Oats. That is all. You're never gonna die. Ever. Unless we lynch you. | ||
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On October 08 2013 05:11 Risen wrote: I'm not the one who said it, why should I have been the one to check it? YOU are the one making claims based on bullshit in this trhead,. IM NOT THE ONE WHO HAS TO CHECKK YOUR SHIT FOR YOU, YOU ARE. HOW IS ANYONE THIS FUCKING BAD AT MAFIA. If you're town enjoy being on the list with Mocsta and Geript. If you're scum, get better. You're ass. You're so clearly scum I am shocked, SHOCKED you weren't lynched yesterday. It's a fucking TRAVESTY no one else got their shit together to lynch you yesterday,. I don't know how many people it's going to take saying "Damn Oats that's scummy" before everyone gets their shit together and lynches you. How is not checking something that isnt important enough for you to check mean that Im bad at mafia? How does me being wrong about Clarity make me scum? You are blowing this ALL out of proportion, I have the wrong impression about what clarity did, and now I am in a group of players you seem to think are the worst people to ever play mafia. I dont know what kinda ego you have to be able to make that statement, but man, thats harsh dude. | ||
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On October 08 2013 05:16 Risen wrote: Reason to lynch Oats, the TL;DR version of my long, strewn out talks with him. He doesn't read the thread He lies He trolls He didn't vote to lynch rayn He's purposefully playing to his meta I think that should be short enough for people. I'm out until morning. I need to cool off. Ok lets go and do this the way that people that are good at mafia do it. How does n1 mean I'm scum? Can you explain where and how I intentionally lied and that helped advance a scum objective? Can you say that you never trolled as town? That last point man. "Oats looks like town meta, therefore he is scum". Cool Risen. You are obviously better at mafia than me because your vote was on Rayn and mine wasnt. | ||
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On October 08 2013 06:39 marvellosity wrote: thing is with oats, i get mega townfeels that i can't express very well. then again, i've not always been right reading oats. I gotta be scum sometime. BUT IT IS NOT THIS TIME. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Both with horrific opening posts. | ||
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Yeah I think we've got scum. | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:01 Holyflare wrote: So you are targetting me now? What happened to your god given read on risen? See other people are like me. Not reading the thread. Oh no, Im not special .Ok so Holyflare, Risen is too dick to be scum. He is way too angry at me to be scum. And I was playing along for just the last page cause it was really funny. | ||
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On October 08 2013 07:05 Holyflare wrote: You tell me I'm wrong on risen on so many accounts only to suddenly change your mind when marv says he adds risen to his town list? No, I changed my mind the page before. But marv spoiled it. So there was no point continuing the charade. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Dunno about the dirk thing clarity, it seems kinda nullish to me. What else are you gonna say if you vote someone for all the wrong reasons and get caught out for it? | ||
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Lol Clarity is playing a really good scumgame then. | ||
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Sorry Holyflare, if you around in like 13-14 hours, I can talk. | ||
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The sad thing is that Oats is right and won't learn his lesson from this game. He's not right because he came to his conclusion logically, he's right because he got lucky. He won't improve as a mafia player and this makes me sad. If anyone actually bothers to read my filter, discount all meta, and make a case on me I should be the one getting lynched tomorrow. We'll see. Looooooool. Whatever makes you feel better Risen. | ||
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On October 14 2013 04:03 Risen wrote: Huh? I have to disagree. There are various point in my posting where I have too much knowledge for my own good. I also don't push anything d1. If you disregard my meta of dropping cases b/c pressure is put on me and I rage quit then I get lynched. So you don't push anything d1, guess what, TOWNIES DO THAT TOO!! Also scumslips dont exist. Have you found a legitimate scumslip as town Risen? | ||
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On October 14 2013 04:50 iGrok wrote: I've long advocated lynching bad townies. Bad means what? Are clarity and HF bad? They lost the game. | ||
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On October 14 2013 04:31 Risen wrote: So start lynching bad towns who will hold you down in the endgame anyways? Lynch them til they learn? Make TL Mafia a better place in the future? Risen, what do you mean by 'better place'? Do you want high quality mafia play? Or what? Because playing like you have played is not gonna help people improve. | ||
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