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The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on. Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. | ||
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##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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Maybe, maybe not, but you also state you're not willing to "randomly lynch someone" earlier on. So which is it? Is my vote random, or isn't it random? Are you casting doubt on it because you really doubt it? Do you have a problem with a true RNG in general (as you imply in your second post) or do you think I failed to appropriately RNG (as you imply later)? You can't both say "I won't vote Oats because I don't randomly vote" AND "the oats vote isn't random"... | ||
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Well, first off, I'm talking to people who aren't Oats and are town. You personally know that of the 8 non-you players, 2 are scum. So you'd think it would be a 2/8 chance of an RNG hitting scum. Pretty lame right? WRONG. If the RNG is on the doctor and the lynch starts to gather steam, he'll surely claim. This means that the doctor isn't even in the lynch pool, and we can roll again for a new RNG. this means we can discount one town player from our odds, meaning that you have a 2/7 (over 30%!) chance of lynching scum with RNG! | ||
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Here's what you need to do: tell me what you think of Risen based on that post, and his interactions with me. Give a read on me too (with reasons!) while you're at it. Otherwise I think I've found a better target than Oats. ##FoS Holyflare | ||
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On October 02 2013 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote: So with this RNG lynch, we can lose our power roles day 1! Yeah that sounds awesome to get a slightly increased chance to lynch scum day 1. Also that 2/8 thing is bullshit, because the lynch could be anyone of us therefore its 2/9. Right, but from the point of view of a town player, 2 of the 8 non-you players was scum. If the RNG landed on me I'd simply not support it. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:03 Risen wrote: I don't have a problem with RNG to generate discussion, I have a problem with calling it reasonable. Policy anything isn't very reasonable. I didn't understand his post and thought he could manipulate it. I was wrong, but I still don't know how he got his number. The # sign in the top right of his post goes to the absolute what how? He says top left, but there's nothing there. Meta is a bad way to play mafia. I hate meta. People are aware of their "metas". Asking someone to give you people's metas means you aren't objectively looking at people's posting style, you're looking at them through a filter. And stifle discussion? I haven't stifled anything. Top right, whatever, you get the idea. Right click the # button in the top right of the post. come on man can't you find the # | ||
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Laughable, like your play this game. | ||
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You're clearly reaching when you say Risen's post "this is normal" at the start of the game refers to RNG. He obviously doesn't like RNG in any way (as his been made clear in our interactions recently). And, even if he did somehow change his mind on RNG or contradict himself, what's in it for scum? It's not like he said he was pro-RNG, THEN I RNGed Oats, then he backtracked. That would be one thing. But that's not what happened. I don't see how that's indicative of Risen's alignment at all. He's probably just noting it's a normal mini. In any case, Risen is either bad or scum for jumping down your throat so hard for playing the newb card. Playing the newb card is a dumb strat, and the kind of thing scum like to do, but at the same time it's the kind of stupid think that an actual newbie might do. The solution is obviously to draw you into a conversation rather than to just vote you. Risen loses points for this. It seems to me you decided to call Risen scum THEN analyzed it, rather than the other way around. Really when I think about it I still want to lynch Oats, beyond just the RNG. His decision to OMGUS and throw suspicion on me is pretty retarded, and though I could see a town oats (since oats is an irrational player) doing something like that out of spite and misery, this is more likely to come from scum who's just pissed to be nailed by RNG. I'm gonna stick with my vote on him for now. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:03 Risen wrote: I don't have a problem with RNG to generate discussion, I have a problem with calling it reasonable. Policy anything isn't very reasonable. I didn't understand his post and thought he could manipulate it. I was wrong, but I still don't know how he got his number. The # sign in the top right of his post goes to the absolute what how? He says top left, but there's nothing there. Meta is a bad way to play mafia. I hate meta. People are aware of their "metas". Asking someone to give you people's metas means you aren't objectively looking at people's posting style, you're looking at them through a filter. And stifle discussion? I haven't stifled anything. If you think RNGing to generate discussion and calling it reasonable / pushing your RNG target aren't the same thing, you're wrong wrong wrong | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:14 Oatsmaster wrote: lol so I call someone you think is scummy too scum, and I have laughable play? Proposing a RNG lynch is totally not laughable. Totally not. you're literally claiming that I am scum because I proposed RNG in another game (AS TOWN) that had a different setup. AS TOWN. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote: What the fuck BH? Where did I say you were bad in the post I called you scummy in? This post makes no sense. None. What's your read on Risen? | ||
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Why? | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause he doesnt hop on the RNG lynch wagon. And cause he called Holyflare scum. I personally do not find either of these reasons compelling. A decision to hop or not hop on the RNG lynch wagon is dependent on personal ideas about how useful RNG is, and whether or not it paints someone as scummy depends on their reasoning and history, not the simple fact that they did or did not hop on. Calling holyflare scum, likewise, is not in and of itself a good strat. I too don't like holyflare's play, but you think I am scum, and it is almost certainly because of my interactions with holyflare. Instead of calling him a newb card player and voting him, as risen did, without serious explanation and an attempt to help him, I actually interacted with him seriously. playing the newb card is also something newbies do. the optimal response is mine, not risen's. Mine determines holyflare's alignment. Risen did not attempt to suss out what was up with holyflare. he laid some smackdown, but hasn't seriously followed it up. Where is he in convincing me to vote holyflare as I interact with holyflare? After all, he thinks holyflare is scum, no? I find risen scummy for that reason. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Also BH, calling someone scum for not understanding that your method is random is not good. Not good at all. lol what | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote: I think you're scum for pulling the RNG bullshit again. I didnt attempt to find out what was up with holyflare, I laid some smackdown! So am I scum for that too? Holyflare is scum because he instantly jumps on a policy and then writes a whole bunch of stuff saying he is a noob. Without actually saying those words. Yes, that's a scummy thing you did. Are you claiming it's not scummy? Your goal, especially in a small newbie like this, should be to interact and find out more about him, unless you're so clearly sure he's scum that you're done with him. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:27 Risen wrote: Calling someone out for the only thing worth calling someone out on at the time makes me scummy? You also disregard the fact that I can be doing other things while doing things in mafia. Why is that? The point that you haven't made a serious attempt to A) engage with holyflare, your scumread or B) convince Blazinghand, another player in the thread, who isn't voting your scumread, to vote your scumread is suspicious. This is literally true. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Im very clearly sure he's scum. Also, you know there are pressure votes? And I can change my vote at any time? So its not like once I vote for him, I cant change my mind. So yeah, I dunno why you are calling me and Risen scum because we have scumreads we are willing to vote on. Why isnt Holyflare interacting with me if he called me scum then? I don't see how your vote being a pressure vote means that you can't write a case, try to convince people, or hell, try to interact with the guy you're supposedly pressuring. Of course you can change your mind! The fact that you and Risen are scummy (and i'm not 100% sure that either of you are scum, of course) isn't that you vote, it's HOW you vote. Do you understand this? On October 02 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Since when does BH play self righteous dick? As any alignment? So you thing this is... null? or are you just whining. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont understand how you equate having a extreme stance on someone from their first post = scummy. Both me and Risen explained reasons to think that Holyflare is scum and you seem to think that Holyflare is scummy too. WHAT THE FUCK IS THERE TO CONVINCE YOU ABOUT ?? ? ? ?? ? I dont know if you are bad or if you are scum BH. .... I don't see how your vote being a pressure vote means that you can't write a case, try to convince people, or hell, try to interact with the guy you're supposedly pressuring. the point i'm getting at here isn't that having a strong stance early on is scummy. THIS IS NOT MY POINT. STOP LYING AND STATING THAT IT IS MY POINT. my point is the lack of follow-up, the lack of interaction with the guy being voted or the guy not voting him. After all, if I REALLY do think holyflare is scummy, you should be all over me trying to refine my scumread on him. I shouldn't have to twist your arm to get you to do this. doesn't prevent you from posting from what i've seen. On October 02 2013 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Literally a newbie doesnt mean you play the noob card unless you think it helps you. I only remember playing the noob card in my first few scumgames but none of my towngames because it served no purpose. Why do you think Holyflare is a complete and total idiot that is bad at mafia? I don't say holy flare is a complete and total idiot that is bad at mafia. Another lie from oats. The point I'm getting at is, the noob card is not an auto scum read, and honestly, although I find it scummy, my reaction isn't to vote him then use that as an opportunity to opt out of the thread. I use it as an opportunity to opt INTO the thread. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote: I cant take this. Gone for like 12 hours. Don't worry oats, for your lies, your misrepresentations, and your attempts to fake-push the holyflare case, I'll make you gone forever by the end of this day. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: I guess Ill just wait for smarter people to show up then. I dont understand what opting in and out of the thread means. Can super obviously town BH explain? Sure, I'll explain. The point I'm getting at here is that you chose to make a vote and to act in such a way that you did not seriously interact with your scum target. You didn't talk to HF, you didn't try to get him to post reads or to develop your read on him. You wrote a post then opted out of the discourse-- you wrote something that would look like a contribution without seriously convincing other players or learning more about your target. The goal of a townie is to promote a good discussion and learn more about what people have to say, what they think, and so on. When you see someone play the newb card (which, apparently, is a SUPER obvious scumtell) and that person is literally new, your reaction shouldn't be "ah-hah! i'm done thinking!" but rather, an opt-IN. it should be "ah-hah! time to learn more!" | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:42 Oatsmaster wrote: So you vote for someone then you ask him to explain? If I think a guy is scum, then why do I have to have interaction with him? And if everyone else in the thread thinks the same way, then why do I have to have interaction with them? The answer seems obvious to me. Your goal is to establish the alignment of the guy you have a scumread on. Sure, you think he's scum, but you don't KNOW. So you talk with him. You talk with other players and try to convince them. Maybe they support you, maybe they point out how he's scummier or townier than you thought. In these interactions, most people betray what alignment they are through how they think-- be they town or scum. The goal is to develop a co-operative discourse in which people all have solid reads on each other. It involves an acknowledgement that part of what writing a case and voting is, is pressure-- it's developing your read. On October 02 2013 13:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Its funny that you played with me all these games with me BH, and you still dont know I exaggerate the hell out of my stuff. When you lie, I will call you a liar. Quote me instead of putting words in my mouth. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote: And I dont do what you just described in all of my town games and probably all of my scumgames? I'm not voting you because you lied, Oats. I'm calling you a liar because you lied. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Lets say that I use the noob card to explain why Im bad. Is that scummy BH? Sure. And holyflare using the noob card is scummy as well. Generally, you can't excuse bad play by being a noob (as holyflare is) or being bad. The only solution is to try to play better. Playing the noob card is spending text explicitly asking for mercy without giving a legitimate reason for it. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Im not saying you voted me because of that BH. You liar. I didn't say you said I voted you because you lied. huehuehuehue | ||
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2) risen scummy also 2) FT scummy that being said, take all that with a grain of salt. most players haven't posted. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you think Holyflare might be town BH? YES THIS IS WAHT IM TALKING ABOUT So, I think there's a legitimate non-zero chance that he played the newb card because he is simply a newbie. It happens. The fact that he flailed around ineffectually at Risen and that when asked to analyzed Risen, he reached, are the two big things imo that contribute to my scummish read on HF. I think he might be town because the scummy evidence against him isn't strong enough to convince me he's scum. | ||
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On October 02 2013 13:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Let me rephrase this so we dont have any misunderstandings. Are there any reasons for you to think that Holyflare might be town? Well, he's literally a newb. Although his attempt to interact with me and get a read on risen was pretty bad and scummy, he did at least try. | ||
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and yeah we're not lynching HF today, his new interactions are good | ||
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Also RNG. | ||
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On October 02 2013 15:14 Clarity_nl wrote: I know you like your game theory, and technically we have a 2/7 chance (since doc will claim), but the information we get off of people agreeing to a random lynch isn't that telling I don't think. Rather just spark discussion as usual and see what happens. Despite,(according to database numbers) a random lynch being slightly more effective, if it hits town it probably gets less information than if there are a couple of lynch candidates and they are discussed and votes are moved around. That's a reasonable thing to say. That being said, the RNG led (and in general it seems, leads) to a good discussion. I don't think things would have played out as they did unless I RNGed this game, and I'm glad I did. | ||
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On October 02 2013 15:23 Clarity_nl wrote: That's fine and I think we have some information that came out of it rather than lurker lynch policy talk which is a dead horse. But do you plan on hanging on to your rng lynch today unless someone becomes obvious scum? Or do you feel that oats is no longer a random lynch now and you think he's most likely to flip scum at this time, and if that changes you'll change your vote? I'm not planning to vote oats because of RNG. I like my vote on him. I have suspicions on risen. Although HF's most recent posts are nice I'd like to hear more from him once he's awake again (and sloosh remains null). In general, I think given my current info Oats is the optimal lynch for hittings lots of scum, removing potential liabilities at lylo (both as lynchbait and as a poor decisionmaker), and improving thread atmosphere. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19888508 fluff question http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19888710 reads, weak, not interrogative, no votes, no reasons http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19888809 weak read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19888965 weird questions. not getting his point across directly Not much to go on, but he didn't do much. I'm not ready to lynch him yet but I am quite unimpressed. | ||
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1) RNG then 2) oh hey oats is actually scummy then 3) wait, are you saying this is somehow normal oats behavior? Well, assuming that's true, we need to lynch him anyways since he's a liability. So either oats is objectively scummy or he's a guy who acts objectively scummy as town. The policy thing I mentioned was just to defuse the stupid meta argument that somehow oats shouldn't be lynched today because he's normally like this | ||
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On October 03 2013 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait what Clarity. why did you clarify BH's actions to me if you are not sure what he was doing? He's been all over my dick. Probably because I wasn't posting though so he wanted to... you know... be helpful? hue | ||
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On October 03 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So BH, you don't know if Oats is scummy or not, you want to policy lynch him right? Or is it RNG? Or wtf is it. Is this not clear? Where do I say I don't know? Oats is objectively scummy. We lynch him. If for some reason you got hit by a stupid brick that makes you stupid, then I will spell it out real simple at first I vote oats because of RNG! then, after that, I talk to oats. Oats is scummy! I keep vote on oats because oats is scummy! the reason I do this is because I think oats is scum, because oats is scummy! i am voting oats for this reason, that he is scummy! Some people say oats scummy is what town oats does. If their argument is true (it isn't), then oats should be policy lynched anyways, so it's a dumb argument. Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy. Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy. Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy. Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy. Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy.Oats is scummy! I am voting oats because he is likely to flip scum. He is scummy. | ||
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On October 03 2013 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am trying to understand what's going on with BH and Oats, but it's really hard. Everything else has been said pretty much so no need to repeat it. Is there something about my scumread on oats that you don't understand? I'd be glad to explain and expand. | ||
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oats mostly flailing and trying to look real. he isn't. | ||
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On October 03 2013 13:31 slOosh wrote: Do you two have such a history of such being upons? ok i must be having a brain fart because I really don't understand this question. what is "such being upons" and who is "you two" | ||
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On October 03 2013 13:47 slOosh wrote: You and clarity. Does he have a history of "beeing on your dick"? not that I recall, but people love being on my dick. | ||
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I'll also say that I'm suspicious of clarity for the fact that he's been talking a lot but most of it has been asking questions or sheeping. His vote of Dirk is scummy imo. Now that I've had time to think about it, I don't award him any credit for explaining my thoughts. this is something scum can and does easily do to look like a contribution. It wasn't worthless though so it's not a scumtell. That being said, I don't think clarity is actively disrupting the thread. In his questions an attempts to interact, although they can be incoherent, they look like he's trying to develop reads and interact with other players in a constructive way. I don't like that he doesn't have any serious long posts with analysis. His conversation is good, but he hasn't seriously followed it up. That being said, Clarity is generally active and in the thread. Like Dirk, he hasn't posted enough analysis, but at least he's around. I think his alignment will become more clear one way or another as the game goes forwards. I am not willing to lynch Clarity today. I don't like Dirk's entrance into the thread either. It doesn't make a huge amount of sense. he hasn't played amazingly, but this post in particular (LINK) gives him a little bit of credit in my eyes. He's willing to admit he is wrong later, but ultimately his contributions today are lacking. His filter is short and his only serious posts (link) (link) are summary or backtracked. Due to the fact that he hasn't produced serious analysis or things he has been held to, I am willing to lynch Dirk today. He is not my top option however. I don't like sloosh's reasoning for voting clarity. scummy, but not oats tier. I swing around now to Rayne. He is normally a big poster and interacts a lot. He writes cases, he pushes, he and I usually have serious interactions by this point in the game. This game, though, he seems quiet and subdued. I don't like this. His entire filter is questions, insinuations, questioning insinuations, and weird one-liners where he seems not to understand things. This is really not what I'd expect from rayne. His stances are all soft and fluffy, and he's really not contributing and maing his opinions and stances known. Rayne isn't afraid of that kind of thing. Rayne isn't afraid to lead. Not normally, at least. ##unvote Oatsmaster ##vote Rayne http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498&user=raynpelikoneet&view=all LOOK AT RAYN'S FILTER. It's not the filter of a town rayne. I know it's majority lynch, so I am currently willing to shenannie onto Oats or Dirk, but please, take a look at what i've liked and at rayne's overall filter. He's revealed nothing. He's pushed nothing seriously. He is all smoke and mirrors and no substance. | ||
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On October 03 2013 15:38 Dirkzor wrote: Wat? Explain how you went from "Nothing to compelling" to then add some wiffle-waffle and suddenly you feel good about it? I'm no longer willing to lynch dirk today | ||
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he had posts like this (link) and like this (link) or this (link) early in the game. I'm talking serious cases, calling people out, pushing, following up, convincing other players of his thoughts. And he HAD thoughts. Rayn as town forms reads and pushes them. He follows through. He leads. Where is that rayn this game? no-where. This is scum rayn, pure and simple. He's been around, he's had a lot of time, and he's given us squat. he normally delivers far more with far less. Lynch him. lynch him hard. | ||
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This isn't a change of style, or a change of plan. this is a change of usefulness and townieness. he's scum! | ||
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On October 03 2013 16:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Man, BH, you know that Rayn can play scum much better then that. not a legitimate argument, since he can also play town much better than this. It would be one thing if he were, say, not in the thread very much at all, or if he were trying a different style. But he's clearly around and posting, and it's not a stylistic change. | ||
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On October 03 2013 16:29 Dirkzor wrote: Seriously I need to know this. I didn't know what ocelots where so I googled. Its a leopard. Barbery on a leopard? What the fuck am I missing? is joke. i sleep | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:27 marvellosity wrote: by the way - scum don't have to, because you play so terribly that town do the job for them. you should probably think about that a little. this is pretty sexy | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare. First of all, this is bullshit: Why would you say this? Also why did you hide your vote on Oats behind RNG as it was not RNG for you? I, um, might have coached holyflare in a previous game and taught him indirectly that one of town's goals is to eliminate LYLO Liabilities: (link). Granted, in that game he was the cop, but he's probably just parroting things he's learned from me. | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: BH if you are still thinking i am scum ask me what do you want to know now please. I'm still catching up on the thread, i haven't read everything yet. HOW CONVENIENT that you're leaving now! So. Why the sudden activity burst? Is your only excuse for posting tons of crappy oneliners that you somehow couldn't post? How were you planning to help town for the first 3/4 of D1 with your level of activity? Why shouldn't I lynch you? | ||
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On October 03 2013 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know, to me it did not look like a conversation starter. BH never said it was, at least before someone else (Clarity) said so. To me it looked more like "let's gun for Oats as he was randomed" and then BH developed a shit read on Oats. the #1 way to kill a conversation starter is call it a conversation starter (just like calling a vote a "pressure vote" makes it much weaker). town 101 | ||
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On October 03 2013 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i tend to interact with people who are in thread. I'm impatient to wait for answers for hours, i have a train of thought and i want to disclose it with quick back and forth discussion. That's what i always do. this is like kinda literally not true given that I've posted and quoted a game (link) (link) in which although you do some back and forth, you're writing big cases as well. Big posts. serious reads. strong plays up front. Plays like this: + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: While Vayne made a personal choice not to mason, you seem to be directing people to avoid using it. Do you have an inherent motivation to discourage people from masoning? A discussion in "PM land" doesn't prevent discussions from happening in thread. I can't see why you would recommend people not to mason at all. I actually second this. Sloosh answer. This is really stupid, everyone should mason. There is no reason not to. Why do you think there is? ##Vote: slOosh As for Hapa's questions: + Show Spoiler + On July 16 2013 13:17 Hapahauli wrote: Hey all! Regarding PM usage, I think a very good early use of PM's is to try and establish the alignment of someone you know very well. For instance, I already used my first mason on Yamato77, who I'm very adept at reading and is a pretty good town player. Through these efforts I will slowly build a scum-hunting circle of awesomeness. I'll admit I'm a tad worried about the post-count restriction and our ability to jumpstart Day 1 reliably, especially if spammy players are concerned about the post-limit. As a result, perhaps a good 'ol fashioned questionnaire might be best to kick things off! 1) What are your views on PM usage? How and when should they be used? 2) Are there any policy lynches around the posting-limit we should consider? (i.e. if someone doesn't use all their posts, they get lynched, etc) 3) Who are players you feel you can read very well and reliably in this game? 1) To find scum. Not going to be more specific, but i want to know why are you so eager to know this from all the players? 2) No, lurkers should be vigged asap. If someone wastes their posts on bullshit we lynch them. 3) Oats. Vayne. Both town. DrH, please if you are town. Do not waste your posts arguing with Vayne. His argument is more likely to come from a townie than from mafia, and you are just wasting posts into that. Vayne will prove his alignment later for sure, but he is probably town. FirmTofu, What was the purpose of your first post? You yourself said "it should not be considered alignment indicative", and basically everything you said i disagree with, or the statements / "advice" is obvious. Why would you make a post that does not help us finding scum or figuring out your alignment? VE, explain your vote on DrH, how does that make him scum? Do you think he is intentionally wasting his posts? Malongo, yes i'm a Finn. Now do something that finds us mafia? On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange? On July 17 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show me where I said no one should mason. I meant you are discouraging people to mason if they are unsure of what to do with PM's. That's dumb. Why are you telling people they don't need to mason anyone if they do not want to? Of course they do, because it helps town. If you are unsure of what to do with your PM's and therefore do not mason, don't listen to slOosh, he should know better. Mason me and i'll tell you what to do. FFS you can ask your mason partner how you should use your PM's, and tell the thread what he said. Be creative and not fall into this dumb "i'm so bad in off-thread comm, i ignore it" bullshit. I will lynch you if you ignore it, because off thread comm helps town more than it helps mafia. It gives the town opportunity to make plans and catch scum in different ways. And don't give that bullshit "what if you mason mafia or are wrong about your read". That'll come clear eventually, or you out your logs and someone else might be able to see it. TLDR; Everyone needs to mason 2 people, not necessarily at the start of the game. If you dont know what to do with PM's, mason me. gumshoe explain to me how you reached your conclusion in the DrH/FirmTofu exchange? With back-and-forth, serious on-topic pushes, clarification, and a clear delineation of reads. That's not what you've been doing until now, as the deadline approaches, after I laid smackdown on you. How is this not scum rayne? 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Except for the fact that you've been literally making posts this whole time. (also, dat listpost. rofl.) | ||
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On October 04 2013 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: wtf are you trying to say. I am not following you. You ask me "why am i not posting in the first 3/4 of the day". I told you why. What's this shit BH? I'm not asking why you haven't posted, I'm asking why you haven't posted content. You've clearly been in and out of the thread. IRL is no excuse. Your cases, such as they are, are bad: first case, after I call you out: (link) this isn't even a case. this is a worthless list post. What is this? How is this useful? Like, sure, you give lots of reads, but most of what you write is about how my RNG is bad, then you say dirk is scummire and BH is unreadable, but BH is also you third bust scumread, and you vote dirk without a lot of explanation. You r next case (link) is on holyflare who you considered less scummy than both me and sloosh (?) but are still willing to vote over us and dirk (though this case, albeit nonsensical, seems internally consistent), then you move back to dirk without a lot of explanation (link) and honestly it just looks like you're throwing crap at the wall and seeing what will stick. | ||
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On October 03 2013 11:10 slOosh wrote: Ohh BH, thoughts on clarity? it looks to be like slOosh may have been changing his mind on clarity then, at 11 (at 10, he was null or town on clarity. at 12 he voted clarity). Perhaps he was rereading the filter, and the thing popped out at him, so he popped into the thread to ask me a question. I find this a reasonable explanation of sloosh's actions. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:18 marvellosity wrote: Agreed with this. If you're really convinced Oats is the best lynch, then argue coherently for it. Man I'm really not which is the problem. Like, I think oats a dick and a liability, but I'm not convinced he's scum from his posting. I wouldn't mind lynching him since I'm not sure I'll be able to get a read on him all game, and he loves to fuck things up at lylo, but if I had a case I'd be posting it and yelling at you guys to vote with me. I think we're not lynching Oats today. | ||
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OK, so I take it back. Sloosh lynch is lynching sloosh for being sloosh imo | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:27 Clarity_nl wrote: That leaves who for your choice of lynch? Risen? Hm. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: So BH, who do you actually want to lynch? You've now given 3 target all of which you have retracted from... Yeah, I have huh. I'll reread Dirk and see if there's a good reason tehre, and since clarity's on my dick he deserves a reread as well. For now? I guess I'm actually gonna have to go with you, or Oats if that gains traction (since we need 5 votes). This departure from your normal play is still huge, even if you claim mitigating circumstances, and I think I can make a decent case that we need to lynch Oats eventually anyways. | ||
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Oct 03 3:33 Risen posts case (link). I think we can generally agree that this case was, whether Risen is town or scum, written AFTER he decided clarity was scum. Most of this shit is just innocuous crap that clarity wrote and Risen saying "HAHA JUST LIKE A SCUMMER" or something like that. Now granted, we all tunnel and write bad cases from time to time. Not even I am immune from this! But tunnelling and overlooking bad evidence isn't something you do by accident as a townie. It's something you do because you really genuinely believe your target is scum. You are so blinded by the "fact" that he's scum that you overlook evidence that he's town. You tunnel him. You try to get people on his wagon. You drive the wagon, but it is because you are DRIVEN. you believe. Risen does not believe. This is his followup: On October 03 2013 05:41 Risen wrote: And so the cycle continues where I accuse someone of being scum and they're immune to lynch. On October 03 2013 12:50 Risen wrote: I would like more people's thoughts on my case on Clarity and Clarity's response. 2 and 9 hours later, respectively. And it's been 12 hours since then, for almost 24 hours now. He doens't care about his clarity case, hwich doesn't match up with "risen tunnels clarity". You either don't care about the case, or you do. It's not "I care about it enough that i'm blinded by my fervor, but somehow am not gonna attempt to actually convince people of it" that isn't a case, that's a fucking excuse for his vote. | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i don't like BH at all.. yeah well rayn there's a non-trivial chance you're scum so NYAAAAA On October 04 2013 01:33 marvellosity wrote: I'm super-curious how BH is gonna justify the Risen lynch when he defended the slOosh lynch on meta. Best include Risen's recent town meta too. too much effort. my analysis is good | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:37 marvellosity wrote: yeah he did that in Noir, BH what of it? yes, Noir is a good example of town play we should use that to determine people's metas. brb 24 hours not posting | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:37 marvellosity wrote: Further, why aren't you using meta in your case on someone, when you keep defending people with meta? too lazy | ||
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On October 04 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote: Like, this is how it goes. 1) slOosh is scummy, but he also did this scummy shit as town 2) Risen is scummy, but I don't care that he did this scummy shit as town That's a fair representation, is it not? 1) sloosh isn't scummy, since his thought process makes sense. He also does this as town, so double not scummy 2) risen is scummy, since his thought process doesn't make sense. | ||
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kind of like how gr9 is greater than gr8 ok whatever bbl | ||
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On October 04 2013 02:13 Clarity_nl wrote: A bit extreme? Can you point out exactly what makes you so unwilling? I think he is town | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:13 Holyflare wrote: Confused why BH absolutely wouldn't vote sloosh in this case then? i don't think he's scum, i won't vote him. | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:16 Risen wrote: No one ever says what's wrong with my cases. Ever. Not even post game, just risen your cases are bad it's ridiculous like wtf am I doing wrong it's long, illegible, and mostly hard to read. maybe like a few bullet points on why he's scum or something would make it easier. i actually literally didn't read it because it was so hyooj | ||
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i want to know what you know. my mind to your mind my thoughts to yours let's meld and get some reads out | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote: The thing about BH is that he calls slOosh suspicious earlier in the day, and then with literally nothing from slOosh in between, now declares him town and he won't vote for him. It's smelly. he was suspicious until i read his meta. did you actually read where I called sloosh town bro | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:46 marvellosity wrote: And then you made a very similar case on Risen disregarding said meta, thus making your defence of slOosh even smellier. nice job there already explained there you want to vote me or what? mess or dont | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:48 Holyflare wrote: Asked you like twice about the rest of his posts though. The main reason me (and marv?) are on him is because of his seemingly clairvoyant posts well your reasoning is bad and mine is good | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:49 marvellosity wrote: your explanation was terrible and made no sense btw. it makes sense to me | ||
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On October 04 2013 06:57 Risen wrote: BH where's your case on rayn? Just read the summary at the end of my case if you don't want to read everything people, and please respond to that http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=21#402 | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote: if we shenannie on to you, we easily can. I'm hoping slOosh decides you're mafia so I have a good excuse to kill you. you really can't, and if you think I'm mafia vote me now or shut up about it | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote: because "no" is not an argument, that's you being a twat. That's not how a townie should play, so I have to assume you're mafia. have you played with me | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:04 marvellosity wrote: by the way guys BlazingHand moved his vote to rayn because his main scumread who he was voting for (Risen) voted for rayn yeah this was true hours ago | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:04 marvellosity wrote: BH is mafia. Kill him. marv is mad at me | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:05 marvellosity wrote: So you don't give a shit who you lynch? Yeah that's real townie. BH is mafia. um, I do give a shit, we need 5 votes. I'm not gonna throw a vote away. deal with it | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote: Don't need your vote to kill you though. you're really not gonna get a majority. I'm clearly town and you're clearly mad. take like 10 minutes away from the thread and htink about it, man. I'm unlynchable today. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote: I made about 0 rational arguments about blazinghand. ftfy | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:12 Clarity_nl wrote: Blazing, explain what your current read on risen is scummy, especially with his latest shitcase on rayne. probably didn't want it to be read. Looks like it took a lot of effort but honestly a real case is aimed at convincing people, not increasing word count. Not worth lynching today though I guess I'd rather him than me | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:14 marvellosity wrote: you just said that you made a case on Risen that was fake because you couldn't get your main scumreads lynched what is this bullshit? i didn't say my case was fake. and yeah I decided I didn't want to lynch him earlier but like if the alternative is me, fuck yeah let's lynch risen | ||
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wtf marv you're better than this. you know you can't lynch me today. you know that. come on. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:15 Clarity_nl wrote: Then explain this better: i'm pointing out that HOURS AGO, I moved my vote to rayne, and you're only bringing it up now asshat | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:16 marvellosity wrote: These 2 quotes are bullshit together. as in like top 2 scumreads christ | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:17 marvellosity wrote: There are two mafia and you're trying to lynch your 3rd scumread? Ok BH. Makes perfect sense. well YEAH if I can't get my top scumread lynched, this shit is majority, not plurality. | ||
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jesus what's wrong with you people 1) I vote for top reads oats/rayne 2) seems like it's not happening. risen time! 3) welp rayne is a better lynch i guess 4) wtf why are people voting me | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:19 marvellosity wrote: Any townies reading this: If you have two main scumreads, would you make a random case on a 3rd person and vote for them? If the answer is "no, BH as town would never do that" then you should be voting BH. It's very simple. ftfy | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:19 Clarity_nl wrote: marv, just because he has two top scumreads doesn't mean he cant have a third weaker scumread, that's a bad argument. Although yes, blazing didn't fight very hard to get his top scumreads lynched, so there's that. I fought hard! maybe not effectively, but HARD | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:20 Clarity_nl wrote: So because it didn't get pointed out immediately it's no longer a valid point, or what? Are you not bothered that Risen, who you read as scum, is voting rayn, who you also read as scum? I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players. Seriously how many times I gotta say this Man I'm not saying it's not a valid point, i'm just pointing out i swapped my vote hours ago | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:21 marvellosity wrote: Answer my question. If BH as town have two strong scumreads, can BH as town vote for a 3rd person? If the answer is no, you should be voting BH. ftfy | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:22 marvellosity wrote: there's a reason you're legendarily bad as scum. it's because you make glaring mistakes like these. I'm really not legendarily bad as scum. you have 8 minutes left to unvote me | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:22 slOosh wrote: BH where you get your town read of me?? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19898946 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19898956 | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:22 marvellosity wrote: I'm not in a frenzy, I'm very calm. you're really not, because you're irrationally voting a town BH | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:23 marvellosity wrote: ok I'm kinda annoyed. but BH is still mafia. i'm annoyed that you're annoyed | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:25 marvellosity wrote: Tell me BH. how do you feel about your townread slOosh's vote on you? meh, sloosh isn't particularly competent | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote: Please answer my previous question BH. Also, who do you think is more likely to flip scum: Oats or Risen? Risen I guess, but I still think oats is objectively a better lynch. Although he claims he only screwed up one lylo, he's definitely won at least one lylo as scum, and most of the time he doesn't reach lylo because he gets lynched D1, or he gets cop checked, becomes comfirmed town, and gets shot. the man is a liability PS 3 minutes remain to unvote me | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:26 marvellosity wrote: So you think slOosh is an incompetent townie this game? well he's an incompetent SOMETHING On October 04 2013 07:26 Clarity_nl wrote: How do you feel about your scumread sloosh's vote on BH? i like this quesiton but if I were marv I'd say "no associative tells between unflipped players" | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote: So your topread is someone you want to vote because you think he's a liability? That's not a reason to think someone is mafia. That's a thinly veiled policy lynch. You don't care about finding mafia, because you are mafia. Man I've literally said oats is a fine policy lynch. it's not veiled. It's literally god what's wrong with you | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:21 Blazinghand wrote: I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players. Seriously how many times I gotta say this Man I'm not saying it's not a valid point, i'm just pointing out i swapped my vote hours ago | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:28 marvellosity wrote: So you've spent all 46 hours or so and your best read is a policy lynch? Remind me how that's in any way townie? um it's also true. you want oats around at lylo? cause he aint getting vigied or cop checked this game, i'll tell you that. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:29 slOosh wrote: Yea I don't get it. Your town read of me is stemming from my inactivity? Because you mention nothing else about me. Plus my scum games are relatively low activity if anything. So this meta is whack. How does that translate to "There is literally no possible situation in which my vote goes on sloosh"? I think you're town, dont' want to lynch you | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:30 marvellosity wrote: You also said Risen is the scummiest guy (but NOT the best lynch) despite admitting you only made the case because you couldn't get rayn or Oats lynched. NOTHING adds up here. um, yeah because ryan and oats are both better lynches. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote: I'm obviously not mafia, I just wanted to kill you for being a prick. you what you're literally saying you didn't think I was scum, because that's the only defense you have for your actions. you KNOW I dun caught you with your pants down, there's no justificaiton for it, so now you hang. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:33 marvellosity wrote: I'm blatantly not mafia. Don't be so stupid. and yet you were deciding to lynch me for fun D1? Also like your case against me was literally "BH doesn't care who gets lynched today" when you LITERALLY DIDNT CARE ABOUT MY ALIGNMENT come on man just give it up. maybe your scummate can win this one for you eh | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:34 Clarity_nl wrote: That push was so weird though. Explain this better please. Also explain why you instantly believe the claim? I suppose the timing is too early to simply draw a counterclaim as scum since he might not get lynched? he believes the claim cause he's scum and he knows i'm not fakeclaiming. duh. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote: BH, why would scum marv admit he didn't think you were scum? because he's trying to save face at this point. Because he thinks he can placate me, backtrack, etc. He's gonna pretend he was mad or whatever and being irrational (yeah right) in an attempt to wriggle out of this lynch. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote: lol don't be so stupid. I wanted to kill you for being a dick. That's literally all there is to it. I couldn't push it through as a policy since it was only my own policy, so I just ran with a case. There's literally nothing else to say about it. No, I literally did not care about your alignment. That much is blatantly clear. scum | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:37 marvellosity wrote: see BH, this is why it would have been cool to kill you. Because you're so fucking dumb. hey let's play nice now! don't be mad just cause you picked the wrong day to push a shitwagon as scum | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:37 Clarity_nl wrote: It seemed pretty instant to me. I don't think it's a scum reflex to go "yeah you got me I don't think you're scum" when their push claims. i didn't even have a CRUMB. A town marv who saw a claim from me without one of my trademark intricate crumbs would be like "huh? wha? where's your crumb bro." a scum marv would know it's a real claim. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote: why would I push a wagon on you when I have a majority that I made myself on slOosh? um, because i'm like an infinitely better player than sloosh | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:38 marvellosity wrote: Unless you genuinely think I led a majority on to my scumbuddy for giggles? i dont' draw associative tells between unflipped players | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:39 marvellosity wrote: no, a town marv would never do that on day 1, because town marv isn't dumb. ... On October 04 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote: No, I literally did not care about your alignment. That much is blatantly clear. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:40 marvellosity wrote: that's not dumb, BH, that's vindictive. yes, i know you're not dumb. I'm not claiming you're dumb. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:40 marvellosity wrote: because it literally makes no sense if I'm mafia. if I'm mafia and slOosh is town, then I just let slOosh die. if I'm mafia and slOosh is mafia, then I arrange literally any other lynch 12 hours ago. You're being dumb. 1) stop calling me dumb, it's bothering me 2) alternatively, you could cause a no-lynch today or potentially lynch the far superior BH (who is hard to shoot because he gets doctored a lot, and you don't know that he is the doctor at this point) then you can back out of it afterwards by saying you're mad. which you're literally doing right now. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, I'll be back soon. I'm so sad BH had a claim to save himself I'm sad you made me, marv. If it didn't result in you getting lynched, it would have been a good scum play to draw out the Doctor D1. | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:41 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not an associative tell, though. Look, if sloosh is town then why would marv switch to you? If sloosh is scum, why would he be so easily convinced to lynch sloosh? The questions are about marv, not about sloosh. fine fine, but only THIS ONE ITME 1) no-lych would be awesome for scum if it happened 2) i'm a much better lynch then sloosh 3) if sloosh still gets lynched despite Marv's push for me, and he is in fact town, sure, marv comes out looking good 4) alternatively, if sloosh is scum maybe marv wanted to be "easily convinced" then shenannie over to another wagon all reasonable explanations regardless of sloosh alignment. remember, it's majority lynch and a no-lynch is easy for scum to achieve. | ||
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A combination of me, the co hosts, and member of the obs will select someone to be declared the new champion after the game. If marv is scum and he doesn't get lynched today he's probably got this in the bag | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:46 Clarity_nl wrote: marv going afk like this is fucking bullshit btw. he's literally scum. like everything he's doing makes perfect sense if he's scum. i know he's charismatic and posts a lot but he's ALWAYS that way. He's Marv! | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:54 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah we're not lynching BH today and if he doesn't die tonight we're probably lynching him tomorrow. i sure don't want to get lynched without a counterclaim. I'd really like getting a free scum if we're gonna lynch me. is that fair? | ||
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On October 04 2013 07:57 marvellosity wrote: I was at my boyfriend's and now I just travelled home. Some things are unavoidable. right after i claimed doctor huh | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:04 marvellosity wrote: omg IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR ME TO BE MAFIA HOW CAN YOU BE THIS BRAINDEAD well marv, like you said, i'm the kind of player you detest ) | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:10 marvellosity wrote: slOosh is mafia. That post there can't come from town-slOosh. Town slOosh would know the whole argument is bullshit. BH's logic isn't sound, it literally makes zero sense for me to go balls to the wall lynching BH at this point in the game. It couldn't actually make any less sense and yet slOosh is agreeing with it. I really don't believe your fake indignation at me. It's a decent cover and you're a charismatic, talkative guy, so you're probably gonna wriggle out of this lynch. Bringin up stuff from so long ago in a contrived anger post... blah. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:16 Clarity_nl wrote: Meh, I believe it. I guess he could still be scum and truthful about the anger, but seems unlikely. But where was all this before? Like, if he REALLY couldn't contain his range just now, why was he able to contain it when he was so mad he was lynching me? This isn't how an actual angry person would react. he's just swearing a bunch and hoping you'll believe he's mad. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:18 Holyflare wrote: I'm sorry what the actual fuck? You people actually think a doc claim was reasonable at that current time?? Everyone was still on sloosh, it was 4-2 and marv wasn't really gaining any traction. With an hour to go or more why would there ever be a need to claim doc in that circumstance, especially as it's the only power role in the entire game. which makes marv's instant belief even more weird, right | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:18 marvellosity wrote: however retarded you are that you can't see that i hate you, it still makes zero sense for me to push you as mafia in that situation. given that you're not getting lynched for it, AND you outed the doctor and threatened a no-lynch, I think you did pretty well fo ryourself. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:19 Holyflare wrote: somewhat, but other peoples behaviour has been way more suspect than marvs currently think about your first, natural reaction to my claim. the reaction of a townie. Now think about marv's reaction. Why would that be different? well, he's a different alignment. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:21 Holyflare wrote: say marv is mafia, then who would be your second most reasonable guess as to who is the second one? hm, that's tough. Not drawing specific associative tells, i'm tempted to go with risen or someone playing a quieter game. I'll have to look into it after marv flips though. | ||
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I don't find it at all acceptable that you might play against your wincon. In fact, don't find it remotely believable. No, you're better than that, marv. Youre the kind of guy who people get suspicious of when he's alive D3 because that's how good you can be as a townie. This isn't town marv. Not one bit. I don't buy that anger. I don't buy that you wouldn't play well. You're a good player, marv. You wouldn't push the doctor for no reason and out him D1. you're scum. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:27 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not saying I'm willing to switch, but I MIGHT be willing to switch. blazing and holy, you guys willing to vote risen? marv? Might as well find out if it's possible even if we don't do it. I'm fine with a risen lynch today. I strongly prefer it to a sloosh lynch. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:28 marvellosity wrote: I've stopped reading BH's posts tbh. I could lynch Risen. slOosh's post looks really genuine. well at least we agree on something! the second thing. The part where we lynch risen instead of sloosh. That being said, this like backtracks all your stuff. You look bad for this post. Ignoring the confirmed townie? Come on, marv. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:29 Holyflare wrote: See the thing is if we lynch marv, we have so many peripheral people around that we wouldn't necessarily gain as much information as we would another player and we've somewhat wasted 2 days of talking. I would be much more comfortable seeing who gets shot at night to determine this whole BH/Marv situation whilst voting for the highest scum read so far. Annoyingly as a lot of people seem to be afk, nobody can make a counterclaim to BH (or he is doc) which just makes matters worse. I am fine with a rayn lynch, not sure about risen. But if marv is really scum, we should like 100% lynch him. Your logic only applies if he's scum. Also I'm like 100% getting shot tonight and then without me around you guys won't be together enough to actually lynch marv the silver-tongued. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are idiots. man, marv literally pushed me for no reason and he's like the leader of this game. what did you want me to do | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:32 Blazinghand wrote: But if marv is really scum, we should like 100% lynch him. Your logic only applies if he's scum. Also I'm like 100% getting shot tonight and then without me around you guys won't be together enough to actually lynch marv the silver-tongued. EBWOP: not scum | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:35 Clarity_nl wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Risen Wavering on sloosh, give him another day. I'm not confident in Risen being scum but he's a liability. so how willing would you be to lynch marv today | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:37 Holyflare wrote: by the way Why would you ever be ok with dying if you were town? How has anyone not mentioned this. BH talks about marv going against the 'wincon' but when sloosh just posts something like that how can we ignore it? If you are town you fight to the very last minute to prevent yourself dying. You KNOW you are town, everyone else should therefore be dumb and wrong. Go out of your way to prove it. Don't just accept your fate. Those are good words of encouragement but honestly I can see town sloosh just being tired with this game, especially after what marv pulled on me, and the doctor being outed D1. getting lynched is the easy way out. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:39 Holyflare wrote: Still don't understand why you wouldn't wait any longer, or wait for traction before claiming. Doesn't make sense. On November 14 2012 11:09 Crossfire99 wrote: You claimed jailkeeper less than half way through day 1!? The vote count that was just posted had like 4 votes on you. Why did you claim!? Were you really assured of being lynched that early day 1? You must have been acting really scummy to have like everyone against you so quick on day 1. If you were acting that scummy, maybe this is a ploy because who in their right mind claims so freakin early day 1? | ||
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On November 14 2012 08:14 Clarity_nl wrote: Blazing, you didn't HAVE to claim. I guess it's too late for that though, so let's leave that till post game. Do you still believe Zbo is scum, and who else do you have scumreads on? Give us as much information as possible this daycycle. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:42 Holyflare wrote: I mean tactically. Yeh marv is pushing you, but at least wait for more evidence. Maybe the mafia would slip up and you'd get more votes on you, who knows? let's vote marv, he's scum! | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:41 marvellosity wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Risen like, what a backtrack. WHAT a BACKTRACK. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:43 marvellosity wrote: I just want to kill BH good news marv, you did. I'm shot tonight. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: WTF BH? I WANNA KILL YO*U! dude are you caught up with the thread? Are you going to contribute? or is this a way of just stalling out the day without saying anything real? | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote; Vote: BH are you trying to caues a no-lynch? come on. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:48 Blazinghand wrote: drik 1 - rayn rayn 1 - risen slosh 3 - dirk oats holy risen 3 - sloosh, clair, marv marv 1 - bh bh 1 - rayn we are going to no lynch unless we consolidate. | ||
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we lkynch rayn today. He's trying to prevent us from lynch anyone. Look at what he's doing. This takes precence over evyerhitn. HE STRYING TO SHENANNI INTO A NO LYNCh ##unvote ##vote rayn RAYN IS NOW AT 2 VOTES | ||
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drik 1 - rayn rayn 2 - risen, BH slosh 3 - dirk oats holy risen 3 - sloosh, clair, marv bh 1 - rayn | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:52 Clarity_nl wrote: I really don't like a fucking rayn lynch, rather get back on sloosh, but that's also dumb. Kill Risen Rayn's literally trying to avert a lynch by voting me. he's trying to stop us from having ANY TOWN PRODUCED INFO until the end of D2. we have to lynch him. Come on clarity do it for the shenannies. you know it's right | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote: ##vote Sloosh If i am lynched, gg. :E Wow, nice reasonig rayn now he does this fack | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:54 Clarity_nl wrote: sorry sloosh Unless you're scum, then I'm not sorry. ##unvote ##Vote sloosh Consolidate. I WILL NOT VOTE SLOOSH UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:54 slOosh wrote: Rayn's vote was on Dirk. Regardless of what he did with it, it was not pushing it toward a no lynch. HE MOVED IT TO ME | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:55 Holyflare wrote: Confirmed town is on a rayn lynch, people should follow confirmed town. granted, you're helping me, but this is technically not correct. i am honest, but still capable of being wrong. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: i was town. gg. nice try 2 minutes ahead of schedule you convince nobody | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:58 Clarity_nl wrote: This is so fucking stupid. Risen was the right lynch. fu BH you can thank me when rayn flips scum | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:59 Holyflare wrote: Blame marv for being afk too. Does look pretty scummy now. finally people understand ;_; | ||
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I AM BH KING OF THE NERDS HEAR ME ROARRRRRRRRRR | ||
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rayn 3 - BH, risen, holy slosh 4 - dirk oats, rayn, clair risen 2 - sloosh, marv and this is exactly 5 minutes out from the deadline. At this point Risen or Holy could swap to Sloosh claiming they need to "ensure a lynch" or something similar, and honestly it would be a fine reason. If you're worried about a no-lynch, then yeah swap from the 3-wagon to the 4-wagon. Basically, Risen and Holy are almost certainly town for not swapping when they had a great excuse to do so. Remember, Risen has at this point swapped back and forth between rayn and sloosh a couple times. His phone is (allegedly) dying. There are 5 minutes to go. He could just vote sloosh, say "we need to ensure a lynch, phone dying kkthxbai" and basically not be terribly heavily questioned. However, as we know, Risen correctly had a hyooj boner for a Rayn lynch (link). It makes sense to me that Risen as a town player would put lynching his top scumread, Rayn, AHEAD of voting Sloosh, as long as he knows he can swap to sloosh to prevent a no-lynch. Scum Risen would almost certainly take this opportunity to say his phone was dying and just leave a vote on sloosh. After all, it didn't look like the Rayn wagon was actually happening at this point. One might speculate that Risen was trying to make a no-lynch happen. But honestly? He wrote a case on Rayne. He tried to save himself (when he and sloosh were the two wagons, and/or there was danger of no-lynch) by voting sloosh, against his better judgement. When given the opportunity, he went out on a limb and voted for Rayn. His actions match that imo of town who actually did think Rayn was scum, and was down for shenannnies I'm gonna give Risen a pretty solid townread. I think Holyflare also deserves a townread in this case. Unlike Risen, HF had a scumread on Sloosh (link) and was even pushing for his lynch earlier in the day (link). His willingness to vote Rayn coupled with his generally pro-town and analysis heavy play lead me to believe he is also town. | ||
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On October 04 2013 15:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I kinda wanna know whos scum BH OH JEEZ SORRY AM I NOT CATCHING ENOUGH SCUM FOR YOU SORRY OATS | ||
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if we just lynch marv then oats then dirk we will 100% win if scum is in them so my main goal should be to just prove that there is no scum amongst {HF, Risen, Clarity, Sloosh} | ||
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scum is probably amongst the 3 people who didn't lynch rayn, and we can lynch all three of them if we really need to. I'll firm up (or prove wrong!) my townreads on clarity and sloosh after I wake up. Then, from oats marv dirk i'll show off my top scumread or order of scumminess or whatever we honestly probably already won but i'll make sure there is no doubt, or if there is doubt, i'll channel it the right way. | ||
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On October 04 2013 17:28 Dirkzor wrote: BH I'm here. I'm reading the thread and trying to figure out everything. Might be a long while before I actually produce anything but ask away if you want. I'll refresh from time to time I'm just heading to bed but I'd say the only really important thing is, do you have even a somewhat scumread on: Risen Holyflare Sloosh Clarity If we can establish these 4 as town, we win. I think they're town in part based on the shenanigans surrounding the lynch that began here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=59 I think Risen and Holyflare are almost certainly town based on the situation here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=430498¤tpage=62 basically, 7 minutes from the lynch, rayn and clarity simultaneously vote sloosh, putting sloosh at 4. Risen and HF could have both moved their votes to sloosh (HF had been pushing him earlier, and Risen had swapped numerous times in the last few minutes), and have the added benefit of "preventing a no-lynch". For several crucial minutes, until sloosh voted Rayn, there was an easy excuse to vote sloosh. Even afterwards, it was at 4-4-1, and a swap would have still been defensible to "prevent a no-lynch"-- I suspect actually preventing a no-lynch was the reason clarity ended up voting rayn over sloosh. He didn't want a no-lynch. | ||
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Sloosh is the only guy on the Rayn wagon who IMO isn't basically confirmed town coming out of that exchange, since as scum one might easily imagine him deciding that the drunken and almost-wagoned rayn was unlikely to survive, and he, Sloosh, was the superior scum, the one who would be more likely to win if allowed to live past D1. I have no evidence for this theory, but honestly Sloosh is the only one who I could even begin to have a scumread on, and last I checked he seemed really townie to me. Ultimately, most of what ANYONE has to say is irrelevant unless it shows one of the following is scum. And ultimately, the only one who can really potentially be scum is Sloosh. Tell me if you have a scumread on any of The Four in light of recent events, and most importantly, why. Especially RE: Sloosh. I want to be able to wake up tomorrow, and read what you think and be able to write some good final thoughts for you guys to work off of. Also if there's a flaw with my "lynch marv, oats and dirk so town auto wins" strategy (besides the possibility of sloosh scum) let me know too. | ||
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On October 04 2013 17:38 Dirkzor wrote: I'll take a look. Still only at 46/66 though. no problem, take your time, i'm heading to bed. whatever thoughts you have, please share them. I'm gonna have a weird schedule tomorrow since I have a job interview starting 2.5 hours before the deadline, so I've laid out a lot of where I think my thought processes will go. Ideally what I leave behind ensures a win for town even in my absence. | ||
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On October 04 2013 17:58 Oatsmaster wrote: I think sloosh is the only one who is even the least bit likely of those 4. The rest are pretty much town. yeah also my thoughts. So basically if we can be sure that all 4 of them are town, we win, we just lynch all 3 of marv/oats/dirk. we have 3 lynches. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:03 marvellosity wrote: if you genuinely think i'm mafia still, i'd really really like you to look at the game as if i were town and produce thoughts on that basis before you die. i mean if I think you're town, we just lynch sloosh dirk oats and win. risen and holyflare are probably town for stickign to the wagon when there were 3 votes on rayn and 4 on sloosh (both could have reasonably voted for sloosh, and double reasonably since we were minutes from the lynch without a majority) clarity hammered rayn. that leaves sloosh and dirk oats marv as the group i think the final scum is in if I assume marv is town then it's easy, we lynch sloosh dirk oats. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:12 marvellosity wrote: no, definitely lynch me after sloosh. just do it. Would you be happy if the order were reversed? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:14 marvellosity wrote: funny how noone chooses BH to represent TL offsite isn't it would you be happy to be lynched first if we 100% gauranteed sloosh was lynch #2? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:17 marvellosity wrote: no, i want to lynch mafia. lynch me after. there's literally no difference except we win a cycle earlier. you won't be around for either lynch anyway. See, I don't see why you care about the order if you're literally willing to be the second lynch. Unless, of course, you're planning to talk your way out of it without me alive for 120 hours. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:17 marvellosity wrote: ah. back to ignoring BH. should have known not to actually talk to him. I'm not the one lobbing insults here, marv, I'm the one who lynched Scum D1. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:18 marvellosity wrote: i'm willing to be the 2nd lynch because i know we'll have won by then. and if we haven't won then town will NEED to kill me or they'll tear themselves apart and town will still have another lynch to get it right. Um, but if we lynch you first them Sloosh town is in the same position at LYLO right. I don't see the problem. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:20 marvellosity wrote: except we're lynching sloosh tomorrow. so you can talk your way out of the D2 lynch? unlikely. Alright, I'm 100% behind this plan unless people find oats scummier than dirk 1) lynch Marv D2 2) lynch sloosh D3 2) lynch dirk D4 at lylo | ||
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and you won't get voted D3. I can see a scum marv doing this and honestly it makes no difference for our wincon who gets lynched first, I just think of you, sloosh, and dirk, you're the one who given time could really talk his way out of a lynch as scum. so we lynch you first. simple enough, right? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:22 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm way more confident in a sloosh lynch. Like, no comparison between the two. I'd go as far as to say I have a townread on marv >.> so you'd prefer a sloosh dirk oats set of a lynches? | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:25 marvellosity wrote: except i'm town and most of town aren't morons so we won't lynch me tomorrow ez I'm just asking if you understand my thought process. Come on, marv, if you're town work with me here. I don't have a lot of time before i have to go and I'd like to be productive. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:29 Oatsmaster wrote: I want to know why Marv is against lynching himself day 2, but not day 3. Well, there's two answers I can see. 1) town marv: Marv is very prideful and legitimately thinks sloosh is scum. He wants to come out of this with a big e-peen and say he didn't get mislynched. I can see this for sure. He might also just want this game to be over more quickly, but honestly it would be over for him D2 either way (town wins and sloosh burns, or marv is dead) 2) scum marv: Despite what he says, this "i'm okay with dying D3, just quote this and vote me" thing actually looks pretty townie. You know when you read marv's posts you start to think he's town, and maybe he's gonna play it up so hard people dont' want to vote him by D3. 120 hours of helpful and friendly marv who's ready to die for the town could convince people he's not a good lynch. Honestly, scum marv in this position doesn't have a lot of plays, but this one would work. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:32 Clarity_nl wrote: And Oats is definitely getting lynched at lylo IF we end up lynching marv IF sloosh flips town. so you think dirk is town? or you think town wont' be able to resist lynching oats at lylo for usual oats reasons | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:35 Clarity_nl wrote: I do think dirk is town. It's a toss up between oats and risen actually, but the way oats is acting right now... at least from voice game experience, is typical scum oats. Like, marv saying lynch me if sloosh flips green is dumb, but marv agreeing to lynch him first before sloosh would be extremely dumb, oats finding it weird that marv doesnt like that idea is bad. Bad scummy, in this case. yeah i wouln't worry too much about risen. He was swapping back and forth between rayn and sloosh, and when he was on rayn (3 votes) he could have swapped to sloosh (4 votes) and collected cred for averting a no-lynch, but he didn't do that. He stuck with his main scumread, rayn. tell me about your townread on dirk | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Why cant you say your ego is too big to be lynched before sloosh Marv? It's obviously the reason is marv is town. His ego couldn't bear being mislynched as a townie before sloosh. | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:39 marvellosity wrote: and yes i've not been mislynched in my last 35 towngames or so, so it would be nice not to be mislynched this game. it would also be nice not to out the doctor, or to be around at the lynch deadline (rather than just claiming to read the thread afterwards) but we can't always get what we want marv and I think there's a decent chance you're scum. | ||
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On October 04 2013 08:22 Holyflare wrote: The guy I have my vote on..... or rayn would probably be my second choice, not sure about dirk anymore either, the people that I want to lynch all fell off the radar -.- holyflare what are your current opionions on oats and dirk | ||
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0) Judge people based on what they did and said BEFORE Rayn got lynched. What they said after is less likely to be alignment indicative. This is really important 1) most importantly, do not lynch risen, hf, or clarity. risen and hf chose not to swap to avert a no-lynch, staying on rayn. clarity hammered rayn and averted a no-lynch. 2) lynch marv, sloosh, oats, probably in that order. consider swapping out oats for dirk. If you want to lynch sloosh first since you think he's the scummiest, that's fine, but don't let marv weasel his way out of a lynch. 3) think for yourselves and adjust to incoming information. Everyone should participate. Don't get mad at each other, don't insult each other, don't even insult Marv, whatever he does. Play nice and stick to the plan. lynch scum. gg everyone | ||
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On October 05 2013 03:47 Oatsmaster wrote: What if BH isnt actually Medic? If you're really the doctor, counterclaim me now oats and we'll lynch the two of us and win. | ||
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guarantee you that day one has all the info we need to catch scum. is best day. is day with bh | ||
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then Marv and Oats | ||
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good luck | ||
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On October 13 2013 11:33 Holyflare wrote: It's not really at all, we all have our own brains. I for one was busy all week and slipped into a lul after day 1 of not really analysing as much as I should have. People gave up way too easily and overall it was finding scum amongst scummy tendencies. We all made mistakes but I was a confirmed townie who had a scumread on both Risen and Rayn D1, and I abandoned the Risen scumread over the course of N1 due to overthinking. If I just didn't post during N1 other than to say "My D1 reads are correct" I'd have left much better guidance for the town. As the guy who was by far the best town player it was my responsibility not to fuck up and I did. | ||
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On October 14 2013 07:22 Tunkeg wrote: Yeah, my bad. I should gang up on the only player besides blazinghand that did half a decent job in this game, so I can be with the cool kids... fixed that for you :DDDDDD seriously though Risen did what he needed to win. he dodged the lynch and yeah maybe we feel bad about not lynching him. I certainly feel like I screwed up by reversing my read on him N1. But look all you guys are whining about how you don't want to play with Risen, right, but you don't see me or Marv whining about playing with each other or "I'm never gonna play with him again" despite the hilarious Marv wagon on me D1. The response to weird play, or fucking up, or someone playing in a way you don't expect, should be to find a way to determine whether they are town or scum, or, failing that, just policy lynching them. I was willing to policy lynch Oats just for RNG and because I find him hard to read. Would it have lost us this game if we had policied Oats D1? Well, not any more than we lost it anyways. A lot of people talk about how much we give up by policy lynching, but really that critique only applies to towns that actually win games and that's not where TL is right now. In any case I'll play with Risen in the future and if I see him acting strangely I'll lynch him, just like anyone else. gg | ||
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