EPTIf there is anything to be gathered from BH's filter that is not accusing confirmed townies (by Koshi or by death -- lol BlazingHand), the only person he accuses of being scum is WoS. WoS why do you think BlazingHand was hit on N1 when drive-by is 100x better option?
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raynpelikoneet
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If there is anything to be gathered from BH's filter that is not accusing confirmed townies (by Koshi or by death -- lol BlazingHand), the only person he accuses of being scum is WoS. WoS why do you think BlazingHand was hit on N1 when drive-by is 100x better option? | ||
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Koshi
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Maybe they are both scum. Dnu. Would be hilarious. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Austin and Pandain scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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D1: yamato scum. N1: oh shit yamato was town.. hmm.. need to come up with something new D2: FT scum N2: FT scum, some random townreads, some random scumreads with no explanation D3: Vayne scum, Palmar town. Suddenly in the middle of the day FT town, Palmar might be scum, but Vayne scum - doesn't push him. After that he has just been going with the thread sentiment, as there was the Koshi/Sol thingy. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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"FT and Palmar are bad lynches, join my Vayne lynch, or at least lynch Solstice. Vayne does not play to his town or scum meta from some games. He is scum. Vayne has 8 pages of filter and is not saying much in his filter." *guess who had 14 pages of filter at that point and hadn't said at least more than Vayne* | ||
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VayneAuthority
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SAVE YOURSELF AT ALL COSTS TONIGHT KOSHI After this night is over and we kill CR, there will only be 1 KP the following night since they just used their driveby for tonight. If they don't kill you it will stay at 1 KP. why is this important? The following night if koshi is still alive, THEY CANNOT RISK DOING A DRIVE BY. THEY MUST USE THEIR KP TO RB KOSHI OR HE WILL USE PRECISION SHOT TO GET ANOTHER CONFIRMATION. In essence, scum will NEVER be able to do any KP again at night as long as koshi is alive after tonight. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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If bussing bypasses roleblock Koshi should bus at all cost. | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 09 2013 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1 team used drive by last night. 1 team did not. Tonight, there are 3 KP.Explain to me, how the fuck would there be 2-3 KP less? ChairmanRay can now shoot. That's 1 KP less. Who is to say he is not dumb will not shoot into your team? How do Ballers have now more KP than they would have if Solstice was alive? Explain this. If we lynch a cop claimer, he's DRB. That means both teams are still alive and kicking. That means tonight there are 3 KP. If we lynch CR, the MCB team is gone. If they had 1 KP, that means there are 2 KP in play. If they had 2 KP, that means there is 1 KP in play. By getting rid of a team, scum are down a total of 1-2 KP, just because a team is gone. So there's a base, -1 or -2 KP for finishing off a team. Then you have koshi and solstice alive. If mafia don't just want Koshi shooting solstice and solving the whole thing, they have to spend KP on a rb or a vest. That's another KP down. Now, they don't HAVE to do that. But here are the two scenarios: (1) MCB is gone, -1 or -2 KP. DRB choose to use a power to save solstice, -1 KP. That's -2 or -3 KP. (2) MCB is gone, -1 or -2 KP. DRB choose NOT to use a power to save solstice, shoot koshi. In this case, mafia is STILL down -1 or -2 KP, and we don't have have another day of counterclaims. You worry, that people won't be confirmed and that we'll go into the next day not 100000% sure of who the cop is, can ONLY happen in a world where mafia loses -2 or -3 KP from losing a team AND protecting solstice. If mafia doesn't give up KP to protect solstice, then he dies or he AND koshi die, and we KNOW the next day who was who. Even in that case, they're short -1 or -2 KP depending on which team drove by on N3. So either -2 or -3 KP and we still have solstice/koshi the next day, or -1 or -2 KP and we don't. In either case, less dead townies is good for town. Fundamentally, do you disagree with just this statement, "Less dead townies is good for town"? On October 09 2013 00:50 Koshi wrote: You need to read my filter.+ Show Spoiler +This isn't true. Austin was clearly not trying to lynch CR specifically last lynch. Who was he trying to lynch? Somebody remembers? Because that guy is probably not in his team. On October 06 2013 05:00 austinmcc wrote: CR Oh yeah lynch this dude tomorrow. He's not been newbie. He's been near useless, despite getting lynched for contributions in other game that people found scummy. His posts all avoid direct scumhunting. He never casually posts. Lynch this dude. Lynch him. I RAN OUT OF TIME BOLLOCKS. If Oats town, cheese scum. That one post does it. SOME OTHER PEOPLE ARE ALSO SCUM THIS POST SUCKS SO MUCH AS A LAST MINUTE POST WTF On October 06 2013 05:14 austinmcc wrote: ##vote: Chairman Ray Post serious. I think Cheese is on the NOT palmar team, 10000000% I think CR or WoS is on the palmar team. I think we have a lot of stuff to mine from the last couple days, people who suddenly jump on the oats train. On October 06 2013 08:38 austinmcc wrote: Thing is, after this whole bit today I honestly believe VA is super mafia. Which means CR in the last banger slot, not WoS, and probably WoS town/solstice mafia. On October 07 2013 04:33 austinmcc wrote: In my head, the super duper right play is to have everyone try and create full scum teams. Just off the top of their head, who they think are the 4 scum, don't have to align. We leave that on the back burner. I like when Chezinu tries to get everyone to make lists, and I think it's something to have people DO but not rely on heavily. Then we don't lynch either cop claimer. We have Koshi precision shot solstice (he claims his is up). We have solstice...he said he used his precision shot and that the prius was Hiro's, so I guess we just have him do something defensive. Try to save someone. This forces either scumKoshiteam to deal with an extra protect OR scumsolsticeteam to RB koshi/buy vest for solstice or lose solstice. One way we 100% kill solstice or save a KP from town (they have to spend KP on the RB item). The other way we have a CHANCE of saving a townie. In my head, that's the RIGHT play, we'll be right back in this situation tomorrow (unless solstice scum and doesn't rb or buy vest), but we'll have a night that's slightly more town-favored than it otherwise would be. The real issue with that is: (1) It requires people to ignore the competing claims (2) A LOT of folks are implicated in the claims --> rayn, oats, cc, somewhat you So we avoid all of those and we find scum in the remainder. Heck, perhaps we're the super coolest bestest town ever and magically take out the last MCB if it's not someone locked up in these claims. That's my legitimate thought process. I think the absolute RIGHT play is to lynch CR. + Show Spoiler + In my mind, he's not associated with EITHER set of claims, so lynching him isn't explicitly siding with one cop claimer. He hasn't been around. He doesn't seem to care about this cop claim stuff, DESPITE BEING SUPER PLOTTY AND TRICKSY IN HIS OTHER GAMES. THIS GAME GOT CRAZY WEIRD AND INTERESTING AND CONVOLUTED AND HE, AGAIN, JUST DROPS ONE POST AND DIPS. I can believe he's got RL commitments. But we're over a WEEK of time where he NEVER posts casually, and NEVER is just around. And he's not interested where his past games indicate, to me, that he should be interested. Agree? Disagree? Think that (1) interferes with that? VE, how about you? On October 07 2013 04:39 austinmcc wrote: Like...read this post: And then look at the Koshi/Cheesecake/solstice situation. THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF STUFF HE WAS TRYING TO PULL AS TOWN. I'M GOING TO DO X TO TRICK SCUM AND GET THEM TO REVEAL THEMSELVES. I know he's been told not to do it. I know he got lynched for it. But based on him DOING THIS PREVIOUSLY, RECENTLY, we know he LIKES this kind of stuff. I know I shouldn't be so paranoid, but it hits and I LIKE IT and I spam paranoid crap and I love it. Yum yum addictive. And then when ALL OF THIS COMES OUT TODAY, what does CR post?He's not thinking about stuff. He's not INTERESTED in stuff. He goes "HAI HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THIS OTHER SCENARIO?" And what does he do with that question? NOTHING. He doesn't seem to consider it. He doesn't post implications. He doesn't discuss with any other people the issues that we are all discussing, that he asked a question about and is supposedly interested in. CR is HOLY BALLS SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY. On October 07 2013 04:47 austinmcc wrote: VE. I agree that we want to hit the remaining MCB. WoS doesn't look as good for that slot as I previously thought, and he's tied up in the cop stuff because one claimed cop says WoS is confirmed. Would you look at CR, look at SnB and Palmar's filters, and tell me whether you think: (1) CR is mafia (2) CR is > 50/50 mafia (3) CR is a decent fit for MCB Specifically, CR posting before the D3 lynch, that Palmar is scum but wants to save him. Or that Palmar is scum but doesn't give as much information as other scum so we should lynch others. That post. On October 08 2013 02:19 austinmcc wrote: I'd rather lynch CR. Last banger is CR/Pandain/WoS. Most likely CR I believe. If you're going to get super bent out of shape about me voting you, it totally happened. I'm paranoid enough and found enough stuff to indicate that you might be the one lying that I was happy to vote you. But my vote is on you for 21 minutes. I ask for a CR lynch N3. I ask for a CR lynch start of D4. I ask for a CR lynch while we're lynching solstice. Actually look at my posts, then try to say that I wasn't trying to lynch CR specifically. On October 09 2013 00:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Nope. Your hat must be malfunctioning. I absolutely wanted to lynch outside the cops. However, there was a good period of time where I was not 100% sure which cop claim was correct. I was much much much more sure of CR than either cop.You're misinterpreting his intentions. I don't think he couldn't tell which was the fake-claim. I don't think that's the case at all. I think he would have just rather lynched the last Banger. That was my intention. I could tell between the real and the fake claims, but I wanted to lynch the last Banger instead. On October 09 2013 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you're not.I am tunneled because i know i am fucking right! I actually reread the thread for D4 because that was the most important phase in this game! On October 09 2013 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah yeah, sometimes I'm not at the computer. I defended myself plenty last night; I'll defend myself some more today. He's also not in here vehemently defending his towniness and is instead letting me do it for him. I may lynch austin with you rayn. But we've gotta lynch CR first. | ||
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austinmcc
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You guys are super overvaluing cop. Essentially, this game is wrapped up with a single check, or at most two, even if nobody ever scumhunts a single iota again. Shoot me, bus me with someone, do whatever you want, shoot someone else, etc. But you're going cop-crazy, and assuming that keeping Koshi alive and checking is the single bestest ever thing for town. However, confirmed townies, as nice as they are to have, don't guarantee correct reads. Just look at your reads on CR N3/early D4. I'm telling you he's mafia and people are saying nope, town. More confirmed townies is great, but who cares if your reads are wrong. Using the cop action to clear up alignments/reads is more beneficial to town than using cop actions solely to keep a cop around. Game is over in like...a cycle or two basically, because pieces start falling into place. What you guys need is better reads, and you can get those by shooting/bussing in a way that hopefully clears up some of the folks we're fighting over --> Pandain, me, VA. Everyone is overvaluing their individual reads too. We've all been wrong about someone at some point this game. It's POSSIBLE I'm wrong on pandain and it's pandain scum VA town but I don't think that's the case. For rayn and VA, I'm entirely town. You'll see if I flip, or postgame, or whenever you read this game and past games of mine. If you have never ever ever ever been wrong before in a read, feel free to continue arguing that I'm 100% mafia. However, if you're going to do that, you'd best feel sadface if I ever flip. Rayn, to some extent, you're having trouble that I was 100% scummy on CR, knew he was mafia, more than I knew koshi/solstice solution. But what you're telling me is that you have 100% reads, and that you were 100% on koshi cop solstice scum. You're attacking me for being basically CERTAIN of CR's alignment, by saying you can't be sure. But you're also attacking me because I SHOULD HAVE BEEN SURE of Koshi/solstice and wasn't. In essence, it's SCUMMY if I was unsure on a read (koshi/solstice) and SCUMMY/impossible if I was sure on a read (CR). If nothing else, look. If CR is the last MCB, then my sureness came whether I'm mafia or town or whatever. Regardless of my alignment, I was sure on a dude, and the dude flipped scum. You can attack me for being sure on someone you weren't, but: (1) they WILL flip scum and (2) my being SURE that someone is scum can't make me mafia, because I couldn't be on CR's team. You keep throwing these arguments out that don't make sense, and you won't listen to reason. | ||
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I don't care if you think I should have been sure on the cop. I wasn't. I'm very very very paranoid. solstice HAD some things to back up his claim. Koshi HAS some weird spots in his play. That's exactly the sort of thing that I'm going to fall down the rabbit hole with, and I did. But at all times, while not being sure on which cop was cop, I wanted to do something that: (1) would have finished off a mafia team; and (2) lowered KP tonight. Again, my townread on Pandain stems mostly mostly mostly from his D2. Really trying to push people off FT to no effect. And even when he HAS no effect, he's continuing to try and force it to happen. He's expending energy, posts, time, effort, into something that anyone outside the situation can see is having no impact on the thread. Scum almost never devote time/posts/energy into doing something that does nothing. If they want to do nothing, they do nothing. They don't post a crapton just to have no effect. CC is mafia. WoS isn't, I'm not, that leaves CC. Thing set up to get one of them into a decent position and avoid losing the other scum team yesterday. VE is pretty much right now the only person trying to get everyone to work together and stop tunneling. Koshi actually is to some degree, because it's clear he at least sees that SOME of what I'm getting called out for isn't actually as anti-town as rayn/VA want it to be. He's also reading filters, knows that I was poking at solstice earlier. Filters is gud. | ||
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VayneAuthority
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die already so I can stop reading this shitty trash | ||
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austinmcc
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On October 09 2013 04:16 VayneAuthority wrote: Because I'm town and I know townies make mistakes. Everyone here who is town has made them, and been wrong about reads this game.why do you preach about being wrong on reads and then say im your top scumread? die already so I can stop reading this shitty trash So unless you're going to tell me that all townies are always correct in all reads, then it has to be possible that I've misread you. Enough people have suspicion on pandain that he's not the most shining townie ever. Maybe he ain't town at all. I find it very very unlikely, but it's there. | ||
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