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On October 08 2013 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also there is zero reason why Vayne would discuss what happened during the night as scum. Right or wrong, it does not help his team. He loves NK analysis as town though. He does it as scum too if I remember correctly. Gonna go look at Les Mis.
From Golden Sun i remember he made some. He dropped them when he was being called dumb for it (your kill on N1). SK fit in his scumplay better as town didn't really know what happened. If Vayne was town he would not have let that go as his ego would be against it. After i brought up the "no SK" -theory he just went with it because i think he realized he could not contest it.
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Yeah he talks about NKs all the time as scum.
His analysis wasn't nearly as heavy in that game but imo there was less to analyze. It's not indicative imo. Plus overall it's very difficult to meta Vayne aside from the playing like ass = town, playing well = scum thing he usually has going.
Issue I have is this game he's had his share of both.
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On October 08 2013 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Austin pretty much has to be mafia with Solstice. If Pandain is the last banger then CC is town, If Pandain is in team with them CC could be the last banger. I thought this too, sorta, but I don't think they necessarily need to be on the same team. Essentially If they are on same team, it's way more suspicious of Austin to be hardcore soft-defending solstice all day by trying to move the lynch. If different teams then he knows his method won't do anything, he can say whatever he wants, opposite scum still gets lynched and Austin gets an A for effort.
That's pretty WIFOMy. Also Austin's defence and "let's not kill either of them" makes zero sense.
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On October 08 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah he talks about NKs all the time as scum.
His analysis wasn't nearly as heavy in that game but imo there was less to analyze. It's not indicative imo. Plus overall it's very difficult to meta Vayne aside from the playing like ass = town, playing well = scum thing he usually has going.
Issue I have is this game he's had his share of both.
But his analysis are different as scum. I can't really explain it, i just know it. :D
I can try if you really want to.
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Well techically Vayne could be the last banger dude. I need to reread his filter tonight.
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VA is da mafias. I are not the mafias.
On October 08 2013 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright so then you and I are on the same page, at least regarding today/Solstice.
I seem to remember Vayne being on that page as well, though I'm slightly disconcerted with his fucking off for the day. Vayne is cool. He's been consistent the whole game. He writed good posts and his train of thought has been solid the whole game. He's pretty likely town. Bold is not true. If you think Koshi is cop, you need to look at N3 and the start of D4, before cop time.
Buncha brosephs calling oats mafia, oats probably mafia, likely mafia, etc. etc. If Koshi is cop and oats is town, oats is clearly being set up as a mislynch.
N3 ends, Koshi confirms oats. LOOK AT THE MOMENTS RIGHT AFTER THAT. Mafia was sitting pretty with an oats lynch, delicious delicious oats lynch. But now oats is town? UH OH. PLAN RUINED.
One of the newbie guides or ace quotes or things i'm making up in my head is that the worst thing for scum is when a plan gets derailed. What happens when the oats-mislynch plan is derailed?
- VA tries to poke holes in oats being town (couldn't he be scum and vested? no way you can know he's town for sure)
- VA tries to DEFEND his poking holes in oats being town (oats was CLEARLY a shot target (when koshi said he had no shots)
- Later, VA says he was the mislynch of choice for the day, not oats (misrepresenting/misinterpreting the thread, in a way that downplays how oats was being set up)
That's the single biggest instance where VA not just has a bad train of thought, but has a bad train of thought IN RESPONSE to the oats mislynch being asploded. And he tries to defend it even when it's indefensible. Town is delighted that a likely mislynch got avoided last night. Mafia is horrified. VA focuses on trying to downplay what town got out of the check.
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On October 08 2013 01:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Austin pretty much has to be mafia with Solstice. If Pandain is the last banger then CC is town, If Pandain is in team with them CC could be the last banger. I thought this too, sorta, but I don't think they necessarily need to be on the same team. Essentially If they are on same team, it's way more suspicious of Austin to be hardcore soft-defending solstice all day by trying to move the lynch. If different teams then he knows his method won't do anything, he can say whatever he wants, opposite scum still gets lynched and Austin gets an A for effort. That's pretty WIFOMy. Also Austin's defence and "let's not kill either of them" makes zero sense. It makes total sense if you're not entirely sure and you have stronger mafia reads elsewhere (or you want people to not tunnel).
The cop situation resolves itself overnight OR scum worries about cop powers AND we have them around for tomorrow's lynch with more information.
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So if Vayne is town and thinks Koshi is the cop should he still be pushing Oats lynch? I don't even know what you are trying to say..
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On October 08 2013 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So if Vayne is town and thinks Koshi is the cop should he still be pushing Oats lynch? I don't even know what you are trying to say.. If Vayne is town and Koshi is the cop, he should be HAPPY that Koshi confirmed a dude that was gonna get lynched.
D4 = lynch oats
N3 = koshi confirms oats
D4 NOW = HOLY CRAP DON'T LYNCH A GUY THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOWN
That's a GOOD thing (for town).
Vayne is NOT happy that we avoided a mislynch. Vayne is hoping he can undermine the check. Vayne is misrepresenting how oats was gonna get got.
At the very least, Vayne should try and confirm there are no loopholes (paranoid, can be townie), but he shouldn't be pushing super hard to find them and arguing that the situation wasn't what it was.
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(And no, there's no guarantee we lynch oats without the check. But if you look at D3 reads, MOST people were scummy on him, and he was very much going to be in the discussion).
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So Vayne as scum blames Koshi for confirming his mislynch target? How does that make sense? Like is Vayne in your opinion such a bad scumplayer?
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On October 08 2013 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Vayne as scum blames Koshi for confirming his mislynch target? How does that make sense? Like is Vayne in your opinion such a bad scumplayer?
Nha. But it was strange.
But it's ok. I got townread still on VA.
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On October 08 2013 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Vayne as scum blames Koshi for confirming his mislynch target? How does that make sense? Like is Vayne in your opinion such a bad scumplayer? It's not whether VA is a good or bad scum player or anything. I don't care about that in this case right here.
Here's the thing. You say that doesn't make sense. But it's exactly what happened.
On October 06 2013 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is why that was a horrible shot koshi. I expected better tbh! On October 06 2013 05:48 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 05:47 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 05:34 austinmcc wrote:On October 06 2013 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is why that was a horrible shot koshi. I expected better tbh! I'm sorry. Why was this a horrible shot? And what do you believe he should have done differently? I thought that the bulletproof vest made it so that cop couldn't tell the difference between town/mafia I misread it. and oats was a prime bulletproof target
He tells Koshi that Koshi took a "horrible shot." Because it's a horrible shot to confirm someone that town was gonna mislynch.
You can say VA is a better scum player than to say something like that, but the fact is, TOWNIES DON'T THINK IT'S A HORRIBLE THING TO CONFIRM A GUY THAT WAS GONNA GET MISLYNCHED.
People make mistakes. Scum partway slip sometimes, sometimes they get caught with a split-second scum thought. In my experience, it happens most often during last minute lynches/moments before uncertain lynches, and right after something big happens.
In this case, something big happens that was GOOD FOR TOWN. VA fights it, blames the cop (all of these assume Koshi cop) for averting a mislynch, and then continues to spew nonsense and make it seem like this isn't good/might not be 100%.
Fantastic scum players still make scummy posts. Fantastic scum players still get caught. I don't care if VA is the best scum in the world. What I care about is that the thought progression he shows at the start of today is NOT townie. It's the scum response to what happened. Whatever his mafia play or town play are, he actual posts and his reaction show that he has a scum mindset.
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thing is austin doesnt realize my motivation for that. it's not from scum, it's wow I was wrong about oats this is gay and no way i can be wrong!
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On October 08 2013 01:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
thing is austin doesnt realize my motivation for that. it's not from scum, it's wow I was wrong about oats this is gay and no way i can be wrong! That would make sense if your initial reaction was, say, this:On October 06 2013 05:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
and that is pretty annoying if oats if town he isn't doing any crazy shit this game I thought oats was scummy, oats looking scummy, but man...I was wrong.
That's a TOWNIE post. That's a TOWNIE reaction, if you really thought oats was scummy. Man he looked bad, I need to go rework my reads.
But instead, your reaction is On October 06 2013 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
that is why that was a horrible shot koshi. I expected better tbh!
Not that you're angry about the shot, upset about the confirmation, 16 minutes BEFORE you go "well, sucks that I was wrong." After getting called out on it, you tried to fix your reaction. But your initial reaction was the scummy one, and NOT "oh man, can't believe I was wrong about oats."
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EBWOP: in last paragraph, not = note*
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Nah Austin, you are wrong. Vayne misread the rules.
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why every game the scums tunnel me
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On October 08 2013 02:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
why every game the scums tunnel me
Not just the scums!
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