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austinmcc
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On October 07 2013 01:51 VayneAuthority wrote: What are YOUR thoughts on those Koshi posts on you earlier D4?my ego is way too big to lose to such a bad claim, you will never have my vote. | ||
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austinmcc
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Koshi had some WEIRD posts on you yesterday. You didn't notice? You don't have any thoughts? | ||
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##vote: Koshi I am NOT certain that we should be lynching into these two, rather than having Koshi precision shot solstice tonight. If we could know that cop stuff wasn't going to dominate the discussion forever, I like that idea. But this is in front of us and I don't think everyone will be able to get past it if we don't lynch into them today. | ||
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austinmcc
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ALL THE KP MATH IS SO MESSED UP BECAUSE WE'RE ASSUMING THINGS BUT THIS IS ODD N1 BH dies. We ASSUME a drive by from the other team. That means Team 1 has 1 KP N2, Team 2 has 2 KP. solstice says that cops precision shot SnB and priused WoS. That means Team 1 had 1 KP, Team 2 had 2 KP, cops used 1 KP on SnB. We saw three deaths. We SHOULD have seen 4. Nobody claimed to get shot N2. So either: (solstice is lying) OR (there was no N1 driveby OR someone got doublestacked N2 OR WoS is scum on the team that didn't driveby N1) Under Koshi's set of actions, we should have seen 3 KP and we saw 3 KP. Under solstice's, we should have seen 3-4, and there are 3 different ways that we could have seen 3 KP happen. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:04 VayneAuthority wrote: Yup. No way am I reading the game and making reads based on what people post, which sometimes involves changing reads.yea that explains your complete 180 on s0lstice, no wait it doesnt Couldn't be. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:05 s0Lstice wrote: That falls under the no drive-by option.hmm thats interesting austin. could BH have been hit by both teams on the same night while he vested? | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:18 Koshi wrote: What do you mean "this is how I post?" To what are you referring? And what implications does qtpieness have for VA's alignment?This is how I post basically. It might be extra special because I think VA is a qtpie. | ||
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austinmcc
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Listening, being partly swayed by a number of factors, including Koshi's play, rayn's play, the fact that solstice has a lot of neatly packaged answers for some things, everyone is voting solstice (like...there are AT LEAST 2 mafia votes on him right now given that I'm town and VE is basically the towniest townie after these counterclaims, p.s. VE where you at?) and the fact THAT I HAVE BEEN AN EQUALLY LARGE-SIZED WEIRDO WITH MULTIPLE ROLES IN THE PAST. Being not partly swayed by the fact that Koshi ALSO has some neatly packaged answers (as far as both their checks are concerned, you can see reads change, and see reasons for Koshi's checks), the KP math is a little wonky, the fact that MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT EQUALLY LARGE-SIZED WEIRDOS with roles. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:32 Koshi wrote: If you are town, I am currently disappointed with your play. As well as VA's if he's town.Your case on me is that I have strange interactions with VA? My answer: This is how I play & VA is a qt. | ||
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On October 07 2013 03:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Except that he got called out HARD for soft-claiming by multiple people before N2. Simple scenario is daaaa best The only thing I have trouble with now + Show Spoiler + (aside from why did a scum solstice bother doing this in the first place----probably impatience imo because I imagine it's ridiculously nerve-wracking when your survival is entirely out of your own hands---oh wait I know about that survivor lololol) I can understand scum maybe not believing him, but then it's "do we think scum want grack / hiro dead more than a townie who might be cop?" Like, even if they don't believe, if he's town he's town. At worst, they kill a townie, and they might get a cop if they believe. In townKoshi world, they took shots on grack and hiro rather than maybecop koshi. | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:04 WaveofShadow wrote: It's mafia. There are multiple explanations. I know that's one.I already explained this. Makes more sense to shoot people who nobody was likely to protect or might have been 'other team scum.' Neither of them looked particularly good. The fact remains that the 'right' play here is to lynch solstice, regardless of the shitfest between them simply based on circumstance. I will admit solstice's arguments have been somewhat compelling in certain ways but given the way towns have been playing I really want to make the 'right' call here. If we are wrong and solstice was the cop then in my opinion it is more his fault than ours for trying to 'make plays' without having any idea what he was doing. And yeah, I'm well aware that's kind of a shitty attitude and absolving myself of responsibility if I AM wrong and Solstice just screwed up, but I know what the right call is in this scenario and I'm taking it. Protection is a legitimate thing, yes, he might have been protected, as everyone was calling him cop. I don't think other mafia is, as, at least if I had been mafia this game, I would assume the dude that everyone is picking up soft cop claims from is town and a cop, not mafia fakeclaiming. (Yes, I know there that train of thought goes, thank you very much) Hiro had some folks on his ass though. They shot a dude who was decently mislynchable later over possible cop. Even if you're worried about protection, you've got multiple KP, and EVERYONE might be protected. I don't think that's as much of a factor in scum shots this game as in most? | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:15 VisceraEyes wrote: The N2 shots on hiro and snb gave 1-2 scum teams a bonus .5 KP. We don't know item costs, but it's possible that pay phone is a <=.5 KP item and that was what scumteam chose.How? Both teams have 1KP, which doesn't round up. If he sac'd KP then he couldn't have shot. Why a scumteam chooses the payphone over a roleblock if they're not going after koshi is...... | ||
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On October 07 2013 04:20 WaveofShadow wrote: In my head, the super duper right play is to have everyone try and create full scum teams. Just off the top of their head, who they think are the 4 scum, don't have to align. We leave that on the back burner. I like when Chezinu tries to get everyone to make lists, and I think it's something to have people DO but not rely on heavily.Was just answering VE's question with what I think is a likely scenario. Austin. Do you honestly think the 'right' play here is to lynch Koshi? Then we don't lynch either cop claimer. We have Koshi precision shot solstice (he claims his is up). We have solstice...he said he used his precision shot and that the prius was Hiro's, so I guess we just have him do something defensive. Try to save someone. This forces either scumKoshiteam to deal with an extra protect OR scumsolsticeteam to RB koshi/buy vest for solstice or lose solstice. One way we 100% kill solstice or save a KP from town (they have to spend KP on the RB item). The other way we have a CHANCE of saving a townie. In my head, that's the RIGHT play, we'll be right back in this situation tomorrow (unless solstice scum and doesn't rb or buy vest), but we'll have a night that's slightly more town-favored than it otherwise would be. The real issue with that is: (1) It requires people to ignore the competing claims (2) A LOT of folks are implicated in the claims --> rayn, oats, cc, somewhat you So we avoid all of those and we find scum in the remainder. Heck, perhaps we're the super coolest bestest town ever and magically take out the last MCB if it's not someone locked up in these claims. That's my legitimate thought process. I think the absolute RIGHT play is to lynch CR. + Show Spoiler + In my mind, he's not associated with EITHER set of claims, so lynching him isn't explicitly siding with one cop claimer. He hasn't been around. He doesn't seem to care about this cop claim stuff, DESPITE BEING SUPER PLOTTY AND TRICKSY IN HIS OTHER GAMES. THIS GAME GOT CRAZY WEIRD AND INTERESTING AND CONVOLUTED AND HE, AGAIN, JUST DROPS ONE POST AND DIPS. I can believe he's got RL commitments. But we're over a WEEK of time where he NEVER posts casually, and NEVER is just around. And he's not interested where his past games indicate, to me, that he should be interested. Agree? Disagree? Think that (1) interferes with that? VE, how about you? | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:00 Chairman Ray wrote: I'm not afk, and here. Since there's pressure on me now, I'm going to have to reveal some of my intentions. Not all of my posts thus far have been genuine to my feelings, but rather baits to get certain reactions. After thorough analysis, I have concluded that HolyFlare and Umasi are both town, and I am about 95% sure of it. I will post a very long analysis during the nighttime since there's only 1 hour left. I didn't vote Lord Velocity because I wanted him lynched. I voted him to pressure him into giving information. When Umasi pressured him early on, he paniced a lot. I pressured him again in case he would give out something incriminating, but he didn't. The reason I kept my vote on him was a bait for mafia. Since there's many votes on myRZeft, I needed to but a little buffer on someone else just so that mafia still thinks they have a chance at saving him by triple voting on someone. They have not fallen for that and it's 1 hour remaining. MyRZeft himself is not even joining a bandwagon and just voting on his own. This leads me to believe that myRZeft is not mafia. From all this information, I would urge you guys to not vote myRZeft. Also don't vote HolyFlare or Umasi, which I will explain later (I promise) And then look at the Koshi/Cheesecake/solstice situation. THIS IS EXACTLY THE KIND OF STUFF HE WAS TRYING TO PULL AS TOWN. I'M GOING TO DO X TO TRICK SCUM AND GET THEM TO REVEAL THEMSELVES. I know he's been told not to do it. I know he got lynched for it. But based on him DOING THIS PREVIOUSLY, RECENTLY, we know he LIKES this kind of stuff. I know I shouldn't be so paranoid, but it hits and I LIKE IT and I spam paranoid crap and I love it. Yum yum addictive. And then when ALL OF THIS COMES OUT TODAY, what does CR post? On October 06 2013 11:03 Chairman Ray wrote: Well, looks like an easy win for town lol. Do we think that solstice is the last banger or is he in the other mafia team? On October 06 2013 11:14 Chairman Ray wrote: ##unvote ##vote: solstice Looks pretty clear who our lynch should be. On October 06 2013 11:21 Chairman Ray wrote: I would prefer to lynch the solo banger over the other team, but I think a confirmed scum is probably better than risking it. On October 06 2013 11:34 Chairman Ray wrote: Have we considered the scenario where CC is faking it and solstice is innocent? On October 06 2013 11:34 Chairman Ray wrote: oh nvm On October 06 2013 11:34 Chairman Ray wrote: yeah, ez day, WOOHOO On October 06 2013 11:38 Chairman Ray wrote: He's not thinking about stuff. He's not INTERESTED in stuff. He goes "HAI HAS ANYONE CONSIDERED THIS OTHER SCENARIO?"If you were the other cop, you should have claimed it ages ago when Koshi first came out. And what does he do with that question? NOTHING. He doesn't seem to consider it. He doesn't post implications. He doesn't discuss with any other people the issues that we are all discussing, that he asked a question about and is supposedly interested in. CR is HOLY BALLS SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY. | ||
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It's someone playing a game that makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER and then drazerk going "Hey guys, that person making no sense and taking weird actions might be scum or might not, what do you think? Also, do you know when peach season is cuz I'd really like to eat a peach right now" It's someone making a ridiculous claim on D1 and VE going "Did that guy claim something? I can't remember. Hey, what PSI do my tires need to be at? I wonder if they're a little low." | ||
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