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goon roleblocker gf and with bereft using his roleblock before he died there were supposed to be 2 roleblocks. I am convinced that playerboy is town, I am town too. I suggest you look at JohnnyLaw and Balla24. | ||
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On September 30 2013 07:46 Koshi wrote: Bella Why did you vote for heavenz. Like what is there not to believe about a RB? Why did you think Heavenz claimed RB. Heavenz Why didn't you claim RB instantly? You could have been seen as probably town from the start of the day. I didn't feel like posting in the nighttime | ||
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On September 30 2013 08:23 Koshi wrote: How do you know how the scum team looks like? It could be something totally different. I was talking to the cop tho to find out | ||
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On September 30 2013 08:29 Zaragon wrote: Night Koshi, thanks for contributions. I guess there can be no doc role in this setup then? Which makes me comfortable to say my town check was JonnyLaw. can you detect gf in this setup? | ||
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Let's take a look at the voting. Day1 BajaBlood was going with his vote right of the bat for xIvan. I doubt any mafia player would just start bussing his teammate in a situation like this when there are 3 other afk players. He was away on day2 and now, but this is a big town tell for me. The afk wave: Playerboy is voting for Jayte , Zaragon for Blurry, Onlywounderboy on Blurry, Baja switches to Jayte, Bella for Blurry JonnyLaw and I start talking about the point that it's more value to not lynch someone who's afk (and eventually be modkilled / replaced) He votes for Stormtemplar, Heavenz too The votecount is as follows then: Blurry (3): Zaragon, onlywonderboy, Balla24 Jayte (2): playerboy345, BajaBlood stormtemplar (2): JonnyLaw, heavenz xIvanJ (0): BajaBlood playerboy unvotes and votes on onlywonderboy, Stormtemplar on Blurry, Bereft on Jayte Then Zaragon posts this and starts the lynch train on Myluneth Got caught up in an intriguing conversation with a friend, now the hour is late. MLuneth is the only person who has posted considerable amounts that I would vote for. I don't know if he's bad town or scum either, it's strange to assert himself like he does as either town or scum and then not to be responding now. Feels like scum constructing a case and dropping off at suspicions. I wanted to push Blurry to contribute, he hasn't. I'm comfortable switching off him for now since he doesn't even seem to be coming in to vote. ##Vote MLuneth Since he had some suspicious posts which I mentioned and general consent that he was weird , and it was the generall consent that Zaragon is towny, Jonnylaw on MLuneth I want to call this guy scum from my gut. I really, really want to do it. But re-reading his posts just make me think he's a bit hasty and not scum at all. There are grammatical errors, shortened words and that half written post he managed to post. I dunno, he doesn't feel like mafia at this point in the game. My take on the case: I also don't think you're suspicious. Like I said too I don't want to vote Blurry or Bereft. From the active players Stormtemplar and Mluneth are suspicious then we have still Jeyte and xIvanJ, I would be willing to vote them too though Strong town read on: Me, Bella24, Zaragon, onlywounderboy, good: Baja Blood, Jonny Law Suspicious Stormtemplar,Mluneth (100% of his posts are suspicious, but that's so over the top that it would be odd if he was mafia) I wouldn't be surprised if there was a playerboy & stormtemplar mafia. This is where I failed, I think Jonny failed there too. Both of us acknowledge that Mluneth is somewhat scummy, yet both of us also acknowledge that he's probably town. What we can see is the vote swing now: Jonny and I don't want to lynch lurkers as it wouldn't really give us something, Zaragon who is playing cleanly suggests Myluneth, and time is short, we are not going to get more votes on Stormtemplar. My priority was to keep Blurry alive too, I was willing to vote some afk, but time was short, Blurry was set, we didn't get majority on Storm, I followed Zaragon on Mluneth, in the hope that his read was better than mine. Jonnylaw votes Myluneth, Heavenz votes Myluneth Bella24 votes for Myluneth Myluneth get's killed and is 1shot vigi. final votecount: Blurry (2): Jayte (2): stormtemplar (0): xIvanJ (0): onlywonderboy (1): playerboy345 MLuneth (4): Zaragon, JohnnyLaw, heavenz, Balla24 From this everyone should be able to draw some conclusion for himself, I want to point something out too. Balla24 @JonnyLaw I'm not sold on stormtemplar's behavior being scummy. I would like to both hear more from you about it on why you think his posts have been scummy and also stormtemplar's defense. But at this point I'm not really reading scum from his posts besides the fact that he hasn't really shared tooo much about his reads and has just been going off of others. At least he is disagreeing with people which I like. EBWOP: oh they aren't going to vote probably so they will get modkilled, my bad! In that case I will wait a little longer. I'm not feeling stormtemplar as scum still. Jonnylaw can you please elaborate on why you think he's scummy? Ugh sorry I got distracted in some SC2 games, didn't expect this much to happen, let me see if anything would change my mind. MLuneth was suspicious to me before but it didn't seem like anybody else agreed except Zaragon. I would be comfortable lynching him rather than stormtemplar, but I still think we need to be looking at these inactive people and not relying on the modkills. My take on the thing: you're acting as if mluneth isn't an afker, not voting = modkilled/ replaced... we have 4 people not voting tonight Playerboys I'm not too comfortable with the MLuneth lynch to be honest, I really don't get that much of a scum read from him :/ Balla24s @heavenz yeah but he's less of an afker than the rest.. it's impossible to make a vote when all the suspects are fucking afk T_T Read Balla24s defense, he was not willing to argue on Stromtemplar in the least. I would be comfortable lynching him rather than stormtemplar, but I still think we need to be looking at these inactive people and not relying on the modkills He even would rather go for the away player even though we mostly agreed that it would be a useless lynch. All to deviate from Stormtemplar. Note how Stormtemplar voted for Blurry, didn't participate at all in the discussion. (Bella24 on his 1. nightpost after the lynch) I'm still not very convinced about stormtemplar. Waiting for his defense, he was here recently and should definitely be posting his defense. Hopefully, if he is scum, we can see some holes and I can hop on board the jonnylaw/heavenz train. Day2 Stormtemplars defense; he posts a list with the names of all active players and a sentence to each, then this. As for the attacks on me, I do agree that I need to play better and this post is an attempt to do so. Still, I think some of the analysis of my actual posts is off the mark. I especially find it odd that someone criticized my lack of contribution, then when I pointed out my feelings about playerboy he claimed I was trying to distract the discussion. It seems a little contradictory to claim I didn't read enough, then when I do, that I'm just trying to distract the discussion. Further: EBWOP: One thing to mention is that blurry said he'd post reads of everyone before the night is out, and we have two hours to go and still nothing. He could post in the next two hours, but if he doesn't I'd be rather suspicious. then Balla24's next post is: Alright it's the end of night 1 and still nothing from Blurry (who said he would post a full analysis by the end of the night) and the other guys, xIvanJ and Jayte. Playerboy quotes the guys on the bandwagon too, (Zaragon, Balla24, onlywonderboy) with this question These three vote for Blurry, why? Zaragon votes him based on Blurry's meta. In the previous game Blurry had a good opening post much like in this game, the difference between this game and the previous game is that in the previous game Blurry continued to contribute and in the current game he didn't. This is just such an easy thing to pick on - the reason that he hasn't really contributed that much is because he has been inactive. onlywonderboy picks it as a safe bet because he won't be able to be online for the deadline. I don't understand why Balla24 is voting for Blurry here though, he didn't seem all that interested in Blurry before, so why pick him over Jayte/xIvanJ who are just as inactive as Blurry. Playerboy does some quality work unlike the rest of the guys who lazy sit back and write a line to each player once a day Also note that Balla24 switches his vote to MLuneth aswell. He says he's the only suspicious person besides the afkers, while I can agree that his posting was indeed odd, it doesn't explain his sudden switch. He agrees with BajaBlood: On September 27 2013 06:53 BajaBlood wrote: Yes, in his other game (as scum) he was very sheepy early on until he started getting accused, then got aggresively defensive (think the word they used in the thread was 'shitflinging', lol). Whereas in this game, he's making reads right off the bat and playing much more in-your-face. I think his heavenz read was terrible, and a number of his other posts (including the question) are bizzare, but I'm not reading it as scum yet. Plus if we keep him around and he is in fact scum I think we'll have an easier time classifying him then some other players What BajaBlood says is don't lynch MLuneth because if he is scum it'll be easy to tell. WHY DO YOU VOTE HIM IF YOU AGREE THAT LETTING HIM LIVE FOR ANOTHER DAY WILL MAKE IT EASY TO TELL IF HE IS SCUM OR NOT? I'm sorry but that just makes absolutely 0 sense to me. onlywonderboy: You say Blurry flew under the radar for you and that is why you voted him. Then what about the other inactives, you are not gonna tell me they didn't flew under the radar, right? So why DID you vote for Blurry? Were you in a hurry because you had to leave and left with a half-assed post? Or did you just decide to vote for him because your mafia teammates (assuming both Balla24 and Zaragon are scum) did so you could boost the votes in your favor? I don't got much proof and this is basically just theorycrafting but I think Zaragon/Balla24/onlywonderboy might be our scum combo. Let me know what you guys think. sadly you were slightly off bro, but at that point we weren't yet able to make the case against the scum. I am also not going to post all of Stormtemplars "defense". It was stuff like this, read his filter. Playerboy has been actively useless. The main two people he's called out have been zaragon and bereft, which is just odd. As I pointed out in my analysis, I'm really weirded out by the fact that he read me as stronger town then zaragon or bereft. As glad as I am to have someone coming to my defense, I just find it doubtful that someone could look at day one from and town perspective and hold that view. I almost wonder if he's trying to make me look guilty by association, or get town cred by defending me. I gotta say, it sounds ideal for him as mafia for him to unsuccessfully defend me, I flip town and he gets cred and Jonnylaw looks like scum for attacking me so much. However back to the voting, playerboy made a solid case, which was a bit off, zaragon was confirmed town, and he couldn't yet vote for Balla24. I pushed Onlywonderboy too, he hadn't contributed, and I didn't see that we get Stormtemplar against the will of Zaragon and Balla24, there was a chance that he was scum too, as even Bereft thought so. One more, in case you didn't had enough Alright, I wasn't posting to let the stormtemplar/jonnylaw conversation continue a little while. I wasn't digging stormtemplar for mafia, and i'm still not really sure. He responds to jonnylaw's pressure well IMO. I don't think he seemed angry and he brings up the point of him bussing playerboy early on (if both were mafia). both were pushing for me on day2, but everyone can see that in their filters. Day2 voting Stormtemplar for playerboy playerboy for onlywonderboy, bella24 for onlywonderboy, heavenz for onlywonderboy, Zaragon for onlywonderboy onlywonderboy for heavenz Bella24 unvote Jonnylaw for playerboy Bella24 for heavenz Final Votecount! onlywonderboy (3): playerboy345, playerboy345 (2): stormtemplar, JonnyLaw heavenz (2): onlywonderboy, Balla24 Blurry (1): Blurry Not voting (3): xIvanJ, Jayte, BajaBlood onlywonderboy, Vanilla Townie, was lynched! If we look again at the voting behavior we will see a exact repeat of day1. Stormtemplar votes away, with the lnych vote for playerboy and the afk when the voting/lynch time comes. Baja24 jumps on the lynch train and makes certain we get the misslynch I'm gonna put my vote on onlywonderboy (##vote: onlywonderboy), he needs to defend himself. If there is no defense in an hour or so I will remove for the time being and reconsider. I don't want to make the same mistake as last day so I'm going to be here the entire time. then votes me ##vote Heavenz I don't buy it, and I don't understand why you do Zaragon and after this goes through I'd like to hear why you buy it. Notice also how only Stormtemplar and Balla24 start accusin me of beeing sk, without there beeing any evidence that there is a SK (I don't think so) Bella24 I wasn't the deciding factor.. I was hoping that Zaragon would switch his vote to heavenz but I wasn't 100% sure on onlywonderboy, I wanted to vote him so that he would defend himself and we could clear himself but I still wasn't sure he was town... with his flip we can go after heavenz and playerboy... both were pushing OWB pretty hard and both are scummy. calling your vote not the deciding factor is nice. Better make sure the lynch train is going and then having "not the deciding vote". I'm still not sold on the fact that Heavenz isn't scum just because he was roleblocked, especially when we know it wasn't a mafia roleblock. You all saw how "fuck it all" he was when he got roleblocked. I'm scared of SK and he's the only one who seems like an SK at this point mafia trying to make town belive in SK to stop the scumhunt. 3rd Point, the Roleblock What we know: Bereft was Roleblocker. What we can safly assume (going by the Mafia given roles, Goon, RB, GF): The Mafia has a Roleblocker Who claimed beeing Roleblocked: Blurry, Heavenz We have no evidence of a 3rd Roleblocker. Stormtemplar Ah, alright, didn't know if an unclaimed should come out. I will then: I'm a town roleblocker, I suspected heavenz and playerboy night one, and decided to block heavenz last minute over playerboy. Bella24 regard Stormtemplar You haven't been under suspicion for a while now, and you claiming that you roleblocked heavenz makes perfect sense. I 100% believe you. It is an easy thing to claim though so maybe we should re-think that. The fact that you even bring that up though makes me believe you even more. Truth. I belive him too, that he is a Roleblocker, I don't think he's town however. My day1 play was decent, I made some points, which I where further explained in this post. He decides to roleblock me. The Roleblock on Blurry makes on first glance no sense, but when we see that Bereft was the Roleblocker, and we know that both played in the last game too, where Blurry played endlessly better than he, he was suspicious of him "staying under cover" too and thus roleblocked him. The conclusion: http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/d/db/Invo_level_05.mp3 Point1. Day1 voting. Stormtemplar nullvote; afk, Bella24 defending him (I don't feel he's guilty, wait for his defence etc.) Point2 Night1/Day2 Stormtemplars defense, Bella24's defense of Stormtemplar, both vs playerboy, both on me as SK Point3 Day2 voting Stormtemplar nullvote; afk. Bella24 riding lynchtrain, jumping off to further improve point2 Point4 Roleblock /Scumslip No evidence of 3 Roleblockers, Not likely that Scum has 2 goons and Gf, Not likely that town has 2 Roleblockers, very likely that town has 1 Roleblocker and Scum 1 Roleblocker (the given roles). Very likely that scum roleblocked me night1, stormtemplar claimed he roleblocked me, Bella24 supported/defended him immidiatly. =>Stormtemplar Scum Roleblocker, Bella24 GF Thank me later, if there's and SK call me... maybe? | ||
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Heavenz Who is the extra powerrole on town? When were you RB? Why did you wait so long to say something? 1) no clue 2) night one, was it long? I don't remember Also why is it strange that Bella wants to vote an inactive over Stormtemplar if Stormtemplar is a townread for him? coz they would get modkilled anywayheavenz If stormtemplar is a scum roleblocker the setup is TTTTBVC Remember that scum roleblocker does not give 2 extra B's in the draft. So that means that Bella24 is just a goon and not a GF for your theory. Which doesn't change anything. But it is interesting that you come to the conclusion that there is a GF. I wonder if this is a scumslip because stormtemplar is really a town roleblocker and you know there is a GF. You just swapped the names around. I don't know what the letters mean or how you know there is no gf. I was juding by my last game where we had GF,Framer,Goon | ||
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On October 01 2013 02:00 Koshi wrote: Bella, do you think jonny is godfather? this was my 2nd guess, Jonny GF and Bella goon, it's viable too. It's harder to make a case again, because the mafia played excelent then. | ||
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On October 01 2013 02:53 Balla24 wrote: Look here heavenz, http://wiki.mafiascum.net/?title=C9++ there can't be a GF in your case. Not that it will change your mind, but for future games so that you can be aware of how the setups work. ofcourse not. I don't really care about those letters, unless we know almost all roles they serve no purpose, If Zaragon would check you and tell me you're clean, and he can make a resonable post that it's impossible for a gf to exist then I wouldn't think you're scum. | ||
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heavenz = vt Jonny = Gf Balla = goon is that a possible setup? | ||
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On October 01 2013 03:24 Koshi wrote: We know all roles unless they lie about their role... storm claimed second town RB. Which has the lowest chance of happening. I almost want to lynch the guy. what role is bajablood then? Playerboy? | ||
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On October 01 2013 04:42 Zaragon wrote: That doesn't make sense heavenz. If you are town, Stormtemplar is 100% mafia to you.. Either as RB, or lying about RBing you so that instead Bereft did you and scum did Blurry. I think you are the mafia Roleblocker. Koshi, what would happen except nothing? They are just blocking each other from doing anything by targeting each other. No. I am town. Bella24 is 100% mafia to me. Stormtemplar is most likely mafia, but it could also be a JonnyLaw & Bella24 mafia. But yes you can read me, read my long post, I gave you my thinking process behind every action. The reason I don't belive that playboy is scum is because he played so agressive. It's much more likely that town is responsible for the misslynch then mafia (mafia just votes in away that it makes certain the misslynch happens), you yourself should know that, I would blame Myluneth on you, you made that shitty post blaming him even though you knew better. I wanted to keep Blurry/Koshi alive, that's why I had to switch. JonnyLaw switched because he didn't want a afk'er to die. That doesn't mean he is town though, well it means he's scum if Stormtemplar is mafia, but that's why I am unsure at this point. You shouldn't think in the "oh that was obviously a unlucky move, he must be scum" way. Look at what happened. Just read my long post again. Don't expect me to have 100% knowledge, my knowledge is based on reads, because I am not scum. When you know say "oh heavenz but on day2 you didn't give a fuck", that's true. I was really pissed that the game has again 4 afk players who not even vote. Look at Stormtemplar and Balla24 again, they blamed my aphatically play on beeing SK, which also makes no sense, or on me beeing mafia RB, like if' I'ld cry about that lol. I won my first game as scum, that would be retarded to play like that. yeah ask me more what you need to know | ||
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I don't see any scum team without bella24 working atm. Even now Stormtemplar is defending Bella24 right away. 1. The only three pairings I could be in are Me/Balla Me/Heavenz and Me/Playerboy. If you in any way think it's the latter two, kill the other guy, they'll flip scum and I'll prove to you I'm town the next night. As for me/balla, I just don't see that one. Balla is just so infinitely less scummy than the other two it's not funny. I mean I am fairly sure that Stormtemplar and Bella24 is the scum team, but there is a smaller chance that JonnyLaw and Bella24 is scum. I hope you (Zaragon) open your eyes and read what happned, btw if you weren't roleblocked, because I don't belive in a 3rd roleblock, then who did you check? I hope you checked me or bella24 | ||
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On October 01 2013 15:00 Zaragon wrote: Trouble is you had that sudden "onlywonderboy is certainly mafia" post, heavenz. And the one where you didn't seem to care about winning for town, anymore. You also asked, after saying you were roleblocked, in which order night actions were processed. As vanilla town I don't see your motivation to do that. Potentially soft-claiming a role is mainly only a good idea if you're mafia, and otherwise it could be interpeted as a scum RB slip. And you said "advantage of clearing playerboy" which you EBWOPed to "possibility", after suddenly town reading him when you had been at least somewhat suspicious before. So many things tell me Stormtemplar is scum, and you are, and playerboy. Balla strikes me, more than most people who have been in this game, as making newbie mistakes but doing few outright scummy mistakes. We have only 2 days of voting to go off of and he refused to follow the three most active players in the game on the vote last night, so I can't say he's a clearly sheeping scum either. If you are town, heavenz, I can understand if it looks like a relatively easy game from your perspective; it's not quite that clear cut from my perspective. I don't want anyone breezing through LYLO. Fight for the town, guys yeah I know, that was badly played, but I don't see how that makes me scum. I read him as town, but I was dissapointed by his progession, he only cared about himself, that annoyed me, that's why I just wanted to push him, but I should have realized that I got opposition from the scum, so I should have stopped before the end,.. I was just hoping he would really be scum. Mistakes were made. Btw, you keep looking at mistakes, that's not how you should play it. Look at the motivation behind the actions. 1) I wasn't the town leader 2) I wasn't convincing 3) It was really dumb, and I didn't care if you would have lynched me afterwards, coz the game with the ton of afk'ers felt like a waste of time so basicly it was really bad and risky. If I was mafia, I would feel beforehand if more players thought that he would be a good lynch, not 180 and go for it no matter what, and that on an unimportant target. I didn't cover myself in glory that day, but I made up for it. Either way if you consider Stormtemplar mafia you can't think that I am mafia too. Also this is my 2nd game, I claimed I was roleblocked because I was roleblocked (even stormtemplar attest it), I claim vt, coz I am, I never claimed anything else. I want to ask you a question. Consider my claim to be true for a second. Now make up reasonable mafia teams. | ||
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