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heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 09 2013 17:05 GMT
#17
/in
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 25 2013 07:54 GMT
#101
Ye I am here.

I'd say it will depend on the lurker ratio. But it's a small game, so I will agree we need pretty low lurker tolerance.

Anyone played with each other before

I played my first game with Blurry and Bereft. Blurry played a solid town, I would expect him to do the same here.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 25 2013 14:14 GMT
#115
the reason why it's a good strat to threaten to lynch all lurkers is to not have any lurkers in the first place. Nothing is easier for scum then just to drop a few summaries and make a post about who they suspect and then stay out of everything for the most part.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 25 2013 15:25 GMT
#122
here's our last newby game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426146
Bereft and Blurry were town and I was mafia.

So regarding Blurry, he's very reasonable, gives good imput, but keeps a rather conservative position. He was killed night1 so, I only know his day1 play. The spectators agreed that he was the "obvious" lynch choice, because he played good town (which wasn't that obvious to the players). I would expect of him to play a good townman here as well.

Bereft has the right intention, but he was quite busy, so some decision came hasty. I would expect him to play active, calling players out who are not activly participating and pursuing town goals.

So, assuming that both are town, I'ld say we have good chances. Even if they aren't town, and they are participating well it's an advantage.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 25 2013 15:49 GMT
#123
gogogo, everybody post something

have you participated in games before this? What are your experiences with tl mafia games?
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 25 2013 16:09 GMT
#125
ic, nice. The main difference between the "big" games and the newby games is that the players already have an idea of how the other players would react in a situation. Here no one knows anyone, but really unlike the arcard games we can't rely on the (blue) roles to solve this.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 07:58 GMT
#144
onlywounderboy: only oneliners, while I am not against one liners at all, just writing 1 liners lacks much content. He tries to show activness even though he has no content, perhaps he didn't know what to write in the beginning.
Now after 24h you should write more than 1 liners.
Zaragon: has my strongest town read so far.
Blurry is really falling behind expectation, that's weird. You really should post more.

lurkers:Jayte, xIvanJ

You both have to participate way more.

Stormtemplar is to me the most suspicious. He has 3 posts, 2 of which are about the lurker topic, and then the only relevant post
@Zaragon: I agree on bereft, he's been active, contributing and putting out strategy ideas and generally behaving as one would expect a townie to behave. I also feel the same as you about heavenz: we just don't have enough to get a solid read one way or the other.

Playerboy though, I'd like to hear more about this. What makes him seem town to you? I'm not really getting much one way or the other.

Also, with you all on Jaytee. Where'd he go? He was clearly here, so why the disappearance? Simply going inactive is a classic inexperienced mafia behavior, and at best he's an inactive townie, which is not good for us. Obviously he's done nothing scummy, but doing nothing is itself kinda scummy. He needs to show up and post so we can get some reads.


While this isn't a scummy post in itself, but it's not useful either. He just joins in on Zaragon's reads, and calls out a lurker. Asks Playerboy on his ideas (probably so he can just join them in again, if they find appeal, and again gives zero reads from himself). Imho scummy.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 08:14 GMT
#145
On September 26 2013 16:26 MLuneth wrote:
Time for my first scum read: heavenz

I think he is scum because:
  • Willingness to bring up useless information/ ask for pointless information that is irrelevant to the scumhunt
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    On September 26 2013 00:25 heavenz wrote:
    here's our last newby game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426146
    Bereft and Blurry were town and I was mafia.

    So regarding Blurry, he's very reasonable, gives good imput, but keeps a rather conservative position. He was killed night1 so, I only know his day1 play. The spectators agreed that he was the "obvious" lynch choice, because he played good town (which wasn't that obvious to the players). I would expect of him to play a good townman here as well.

    Bereft has the right intention, but he was quite busy, so some decision came hasty. I would expect him to play active, calling players out who are not activly participating and pursuing town goals.

    So, assuming that both are town, I'ld say we have good chances. Even if they aren't town, and they are participating well it's an advantage.



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    On September 26 2013 00:49 heavenz wrote:
    gogogo, everybody post something

    have you participated in games before this? What are your experiences with tl mafia games?


    In regards to your first post I feel that the last game is pretty irrelevant as hopefully they learned something in between game. Furthermore, this information is even more useless if they are scum, in which case it can put us off them completely.
    On your second point we really don't want everyone posting their previous experiences of mafia as it just clogs up the thread.
    He wants to clog up the thread, a scum tell

  • A willingness to lynch lurkers
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    On September 25 2013 23:14 heavenz wrote:
    the reason why it's a good strat to threaten to lynch all lurkers is to not have any lurkers in the first place. Nothing is easier for scum then just to drop a few summaries and make a post about who they suspect and then stay out of everything for the most part.

    What he leaves out in this good plan of his is that lynching lurkers gives us no information and therefore completely wastes the lynch, meaning that mafia gets to kill someone effectively for free
    He wants us to waste our lynch, a scum tell



I appreciate your efford, but I disagree. I am sharing my advantage of knowing how Blurry and Bereft play with you. Even if they are mafia, they now have to fake participation, because otherwise it would be obvious to me that they are playing completly different than in their game where they were town. I wanted you to know this too.

I know in the guids it's written that 1 liners clog up the thread are a mafia tell, however I straight out think that wrongs, and at least do newby games it doesn't apply at all. We have not even 8 full pages... that's nothing. Even 1 liners have an opinion and thus are better than nothing, also 1 liners can create discussion.

You are implying that the lurker has to be town, when that isn't necessarly the case either. It's a scum tell if someone doesn't participates at all. And we don't necessarly have to lynch a lurker.

Anyway brining the lurker discussion still up is distracting and thus scummy.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 08:31 GMT
#147
On September 26 2013 17:25 MLuneth wrote:
It's true that we could get lucky, but I feel that it's rather unlikely as
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On September 25 2013 23:14 heavenz wrote:
Nothing is easier for scum then just to drop a few summaries and make a post about who they suspect and then stay out of everything for the most part.



Ask yourself, how is that helping town what you're doing.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 14:00 GMT
#159
On September 26 2013 21:34 BajaBlood wrote:
Both Jayte and xIvanJ are lurking, but there's two reasons for my apparent favoritism:

(1) When I wrote to defend Jayte, it was well under 24 hours since the game started. Since at that point I didn't know people's typical active times, I figured there was a chance he would become active in the next short period. It'd been a full 24 hours since the game opened when I brought up xIvanJ's inactivity - whatever his schedule is he should have had a chance to contribute by then.

(2) Not only has xIvanJ only written one post, I don't like it's content either. Whether or not we actually execute a policy lynch, I dislike stating that we should tolerate lurking; there has to be pressure on lurkers.

This isn't set in stone, but for now I'm gonna ##Vote: xIvanJ.

Jayte didn't really take advantage of the window of time I offered him in (1), and the second post he made wasn't particularly helpful. As it stands, I don't really care for Jayte either, but I'm not going to go back on my gut just because I've been accused of unreasonably defending him.

For now, I will sincerely hope for some good analysis from xIvanJ so that I can remove this vote.


I would advice to vote for Jayte assuming that xIvanJ get's modkilled or replaced.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 14:03 GMT
#160
On September 26 2013 20:57 stormtemplar wrote:
Darn it playerboy, why did you have to go and post all that good analysis and make me look like an idiot for saying you don't post much useful information.


what are the parts you think are good of playerboys list?
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 17:31 GMT
#169
@onlywounderboy, I was happy you explained yourself. Mluneth idea on what is scummy is a bit strange. In all honesty I am waiting for posts from Bereft and Blurry.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 19:50 GMT
#182
I share the sentiment about stormtemplar
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 19:52 GMT
#184
they have to vote, so they will be either replaced or modkilled
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 19:58 GMT
#186
back to stormtemplar, he makes a post about how he didn't kow what to say,
Secondly, I've been trying to contribute but I haven't had much in the way of reads previously. At the time I really wasn't feeling anyone as scum, and Zaragon pretty much summed up my views.


then he tries to get some profil by disagreeing on playerboy
However, as to your point about me just joining Zaragon on playerboy, no, not at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not really feeling zaragon's read on him. I'm not getting solid town vibes out of him at all. He's contributed rather minimally. (7 of his posts are 1-2 lines with maybe a quote.)


then later playboy makes a post about everyone with mediocre content, more summary then analysis and stormtemplar is
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Darn it playerboy, why did you have to go and post all that good analysis and make me look like an idiot for saying you don't post much useful information.


I found that suspicious right away so I asked him right away what he thought were the good parts, and no answere.

like wounderboy said, and playerboy agreed
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I appreciate it, and I really like that you don't trust me right of the bat just because I wrote a massive wall of text, I would have questioned you if you weren't being cautious.


should not same be said about stormtemplar, that's why I call it fake participation and scummy

##vote stormtemplar
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 20:37 GMT
#191
Strong town read on:

Me, Bella24, Zaragon, onlywounderboy,

good:
Baja Blood, Jonny Law

Suspicious
Stormtemplar,Mluneth (100% of his posts are suspicious, but that's so over the top that it would be odd if he was mafia)

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a playerboy & stormtemplar mafia.


Afk: Bereft, Blurry, xIvan, Jayte

Actually I think Jaytes post 2nd and last post
The last point you made would only be true if all the scums are active and are not lurkers.

makes him even more suspicious, like he's claiming mafia.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 20:39 GMT
#192
sorry for the theory crafting, I am a bit bored right now =P
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 20:55 GMT
#194
I wouldn't like to vote on Bereft or Blurry day1, I am a bit biased towards them, because I think they can play decently, and I think if either of them was scum then even then they would play smarter.

I don't have the same impression of Jayt and ivan.

Anyway 4 afk's is just crazy.
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 21:06 GMT
#198
myrzeth??? you're giving me nightmares
heavenz
Profile Joined August 2013
Austria301 Posts
September 26 2013 21:28 GMT
#203
ok, onlywounderboy is behaving pro town because he explains himself and acts accordingly.

1. he's active in the beginning with 1 liners, to start discussion and avoid lurking

2. when you question him about this he answeres explaining himself
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I think I got scared into writing one liners due to people claiming we were going to lynch non-active people. But, tis true, I should have transitioned into writing more useful posts. This is still my first game so I'm trying to take a lot of it in. I have pretty much zero knowledge of everyone in this game so getting a read off of people on a relatively few number of pages is proving more difficult than I had hoped. That said, stand outs right now:

Jayte: Joke post to start off the game, hasn't contributed anything of value. Isn't trying to cause chaos in the town, but his absence is questionable. Mentions being busy with work, could just be throwing that out so we don't seem suspicious

MLuneth: Had that odd question to start, could have easily asked a coach instead of putting it in the thread.

playerboy: Great analysis of all the players. But, imo, it seemed like a post that was trying too hard to put the spotlight on "Hey, look, I'm helping the town!" I'm definitely not saying he should be a candidate for the first lynch, but just something to keep in mind in the future.


then he makes his vote post because he has to go and goes with one of the afk/s which is kinda a safe bet to vote on.
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Unfortunately I have to be getting to work, so I'll miss any last minute deliberations. I'm going to have to ##Vote: Blurry. He's had plenty of time to defend himself so I'm not sure a least minute appeal would change my mind. He sorta flew under the radar for me, but people have pointed out his lack of contribution I agree it seems problematic.


What can I say I don't know if he's really town, but he seems reasonable and constructive to me.

I also don't think you're suspicious. Like I said too I don't want to vote Blurry or Bereft.

From the active players Stormtemplar and Mluneth are suspicious
then we have still Jeyte and xIvanJ, I would be willing to vote them too though
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