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On August 29 2013 08:20 marvellosity wrote: Hi all! Totes going to play well this game. Join my policy lynch. | ||
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On August 29 2013 08:22 marvellosity wrote: Have we turned into Mafiascum? :/ I'm going to have a joint and return tomorrow. This is not random. | ||
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On August 29 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: Both of yamato and Sno are town. Me I understand, but Sn0? | ||
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On August 29 2013 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sno did post. His post makes him totally town. yamato why do you not understand it? ugh | ||
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On August 29 2013 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: No really yamato. Would you, actually 11 minutes into the game, as mafia, suggest that there are 2 scum factions in the game if you were mafia? It doesn't matter. | ||
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On August 29 2013 08:44 Hopeless1der wrote: K, ready to get all Jihad up in here. /sheep oats ##Vote: tutankoopa fer realz doe Are you reading the thread? Yes? Then you understand the policy. | ||
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##Vote Marvellosity Seems like a warm place for my vote. | ||
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On August 29 2013 11:39 sciberbia wrote: If I were to offer you 1 million dollars if you could correctly identify 1 scum, who would your guess be and why? Votes usually have something to do with reads. | ||
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On August 29 2013 11:52 Tutankoopa wrote: yamato.... why are you playing hard-to-get? I thought we had something special. I think my vote speaks for itself. Has Marv done anything particularly useful or even commented on anything yet? No. I want him to play the game. If he's town, it's not difficult. | ||
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On August 29 2013 15:36 Sylencia wrote: I guess, but then you sound confident enough that you'd take scrib's million dollar offer on a premature read? Should we just not talk? | ||
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On August 29 2013 18:31 marvellosity wrote: Putting a vote on me that you know I'll piss all over in amusement is "playing Day 1 properly"? You think it would 'spur me into action' or something? lol. I agree with what rayn said about Sn0 earlier at the start of the day, but without the attached total confidence of a town-read scibby's posts (especially at first) look weird and constructed as fuck to me but then again I thought the same in Ego and he was town, I guess I'll wait and see if he stays involved yamato is terrible I still like Tutenkhamun Glaring into the Hopeless/debears/Onegu/Sylencia/(Oats?)/(Hapa) crowd right now. debears' posts look a little silly on scrib to me, but i'm willing to hear his sober self out So we're back to old-marv who's a dick, eh? | ||
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On August 29 2013 18:44 marvellosity wrote: Back to marv calling yamato out for being bad who is simultaneously telling town they don't know how to play day 1 (you don't catch me doing this) You're implying that there's something to catch. | ||
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On August 29 2013 18:46 marvellosity wrote: i'm implying i don't lecture town on how to play day 1 while playing day 1 terribly myself, dear. At least you're posting now. | ||
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First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours. What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note. Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town. If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. | ||
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On August 30 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato what would you have expected Hapa to do if not going after debears? It's just a shit read. I don't expect him to make a shit post like that and act "pro-town" by telling the triumvirate of me/oats/Marv to stop shitting up the thread and not comment on any of us. | ||
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On August 30 2013 02:18 Sn0_Man wrote: Well yam, you sure spent a lot of time writing up some seriously inconclusive stuff on Marv/Hapa. I think it's quite clear that I'm suspicious of both of them. | ||
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RE: Marvellosity/Hapahauli On August 30 2013 06:37 marvellosity wrote: yamato we'll see, his big post on you/me was full of logic fail (hapa can read marv, hapa is reading marv differently than me, hapa is suspicious), but in a way it's egotistical enough to come from town. if he doesn't do much else he's gonna look worse super fast. On August 29 2013 19:24 Hapahauli wrote: Why would I want to do that? I'm actually leaning town on marv because he seems legitimately impatient/offended at the people attacking him. And not in a scum-marv "holier than thou" way. This post is Hapa's read on Marv. It's also entirely truthful in Hapa's assessment of scum Marv's play. We've talked about this before on skype many times, and he's said that this is how he "catches" scum Marv. What I disagree with is his conclusion, that this game is somehow NOT indicative of this scum-Marv attitude. On August 29 2013 18:44 marvellosity wrote: Back to marv calling yamato out for being bad who is simultaneously telling town they don't know how to play day 1 (you don't catch me doing this) Not holier-than-thou, eh? I beg to differ. Like I said, Hapa is either not reading closely enough (never seen town Hapa do this) or has already decided Marv's alignment (town Hapa wouldn't do this either). My post wasn't "fail-logic". I know what I'm talking about. As a follow up to this read, Hapa posts this: On August 30 2013 04:58 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato 1Marv sounds very bitchy to me. In fact, it sounds as if his emotions are a bit out of control when responding to things. 2When marv is scum, he says things that people want to hear, and doesn't antagonize the vocal town population. It sounds like you two got into a fight, and your ego's are preventing both of you from backing down from each other. 1 Bitchy isn't somewhat of a holier-than-thou way of acting? If all you do is complain about the play of others, doesn't that imply that you put yourself on a pedestal above them? 2 Doesn't this sort of contradict your earlier assessment of his scum play? And it doesn't seem like he's agreeing, for the most part, with the most vocal/influential players in the game (yourself, rayn to an extent)? Notably, he's largely avoided interacting with me about my reads. He didn't even respond to my post until you asked him to. Doesn't that seem a bit off? Also, on the topic of debears, you said this: Really? I haven't gone after someone early on in the other 70 games I've played with you? It's not so much that you're going after someone (in fact I expect you to do that), it's that you picked someone already under some pressure (debears) and the post you made about him was... lackluster. For reference: On August 29 2013 19:09 Hapahauli wrote: @ Marv, Yamato, Oats, and Rayn Play nice. Between the four of you, there is enormous thread-shitting potential, and how town does in this game is going to be determined by how well everyone can get along together. If you are town, stop with the antagonism. Going around and burning every bridge you can in this game is not how Day 1 is played. ##Vote Debears Of all the people in the thread so far, Debears' push on Sciberia bothers me the most. I really don't understand the suspicions on scib all that much, and he's firmly null in my mind. The bolded is completely random and unsubstantiated. Reminds me of his scum-game is such a cop-out read, much less when it's unexplained to everyone else in the thread. So according to this, debears doesn't care whether Scib is dumb town or scum. He mentions both, then uses it as a justification to vote. That's pretty darrrrrn scummy. This post is bad OVERALL, not just in its suspicion of debears. I've already commented on that. But specifically, why are debears' suspicions of Scib so hard to understand if you only have him as null? And did you read his scum game YANMM (that debears was in)? He started out in a similar fashion to this game with policy talk and a general "pro-town" style. It's not unsubstantiated if you know the context. But you didn't bother to ask, did you? Plus, when the fuck do you say "darrrrrrn scummy" when talking about mafia? Why is debears voting for Scib somehow scummy when deebs is plainly stating the scum motivations he sees? Post reeks of bullshit, Hapahauli. Notably, it's also your first post of the game, and I KNOW you have a hard time getting going as scum. That's why I was suspicious of you in the first place, and your Marv read is just another red flag. RE: Debears Deebs is someone who played when I started. Like I said, he also played in YANMM as SK with scib, so I don't see anything wrong with how he approached sciberbia in the early game. It's something I noticed as well, but didn't put as much stock into. Debears is notorious for tunneling early D1 and getting reads off that, so I'm totally fine with his play thus far in the game and wouldn't worry about him unless he becomes far less active. RE: Scib On August 29 2013 08:21 sciberbia wrote: I doubt it.
I do feel there is most likely at least one third party, due to this line from the OP In YANMM he made a setup-focused post like this one as his first post and it rang some alarms but I, in my noob days, ignored it because of how bad people generally were in my NMM games. To see it again this game is somewhat disturbing, but like I said, it's not damning. On August 29 2013 11:39 sciberbia wrote: If I were to offer you 1 million dollars if you could correctly identify 1 scum, who would your guess be and why? On August 29 2013 16:21 sciberbia wrote: 3) And yamato for being in the thread but avoiding engaging in discussion. Also I don't understand why marv is his strongest scumread for being useless when there is a whole handful of players who are as of yet equally useless. I'd appreciate it if sylencia/tofu/yamato/anyone would chime in with agree/disagree on these three. These consecutive posts feel weird. I did indeed respond to him, he just either didn't get the hint (I was suspicious of Marv) or was downright ignoring my posts and threw shit at me for nothing. I even explained my read on Marv at some point, as he noted in this post, yet he never attempted to disagree with me, he just shat on my read and said I wasn't "engaging in the discussion" (read: contributing to the spam-fest). No really that important either, just plain odd. Other than that, most of his filter is arguing with Rayn/Debears which is not what I'd expect from a scum scib that I remember to have been rather quiet. He's also obviously affected emotionally by the posts of others at times and seems interested in actually finding mafia. He posts some weird things, but I generally don't like to get caught up in semantics with people who play this game that I don't know that well. If there's anyone else worth talking about, ask. I'll broaden my horizons because Hapa/Marv (even if I am right) can't be the only scum. | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:22 Hapahauli wrote: Way to like completely ignore 90% of my filter Yamato. The rest of your filter is not as interesting or alignment-indicative. I could talk about how you thinking I'm scum is BS, but this isn't an OMGUS case here. | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote: If you're going to make a read on me based off of the first 13 pages of gameplay in a 29 page game, I'm not impressed. If I'm wrong, why are your early posts so trash? | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:26 marvellosity wrote: why is yamato pretending i only bitch as mafia or something? it's a total mystery to me. I didn't respond to your post, yamato, because everyone else had already told you it was shit and I didn't feel like it needed adding to at the time. What are you doing? I'm more confident in my Hapa read unless you didn't notice. I'm not "pretending" about anything. I know you bitch as town. Usually you aren't that way toward me when you're town (at least in the latest few games), however, and I took note of it this game. You can respond to what I've said if you think it's shit. Others actually agree with me. | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:29 marvellosity wrote: Hapa has seemed fine to me, the only thing I noticed so far is that he's seemed somewhat more snippy than usual, which is why I asked him about how he felt about the game. Not entirely sure what I make of it but meh Bugs me that yamato is suspicious of Hapa for being able to read me better than yamato can. It's just dumb on so many levels Are you even reading my posts? | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:31 Hapahauli wrote: Isn't this the 3rd game in a row where you think my early game posts are bad (and scummy) because I tend to force things early on? I make bad cases early on all the time. In fact almost every single one of my town games recently starts with a terribly bad D1 case that draws some flak on me. In a somewhat twisted way, I kind of enjoy the flak though, because it gets me thinking and involved in the game. idk man, this was something special The question is, do I feel like you've improved since the post on deebs? idk, will reread. Your targets of hopeless/syl aren't real encouraging at first look, though, because they are easy to fake-case as either alignment | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:31 marvellosity wrote: Maybe you don't slap a random vote on me and then lecture others on how to play day 1 in other games, hmm? Obviously wasn't random, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about right now. You will respond to me or I'll just assume you're actually mafia and I'm right. | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:33 marvellosity wrote: yes, and I'm interpreting how they actually sound and boil down to. You're suspicious of Hapa for his read on me despite readily admitting yourself Hapa would be able to read me better than you or anyone else. "red flags" and shit, and that hapa "would make this read as mafia" when you're not actually capable of knowing whether he would say the same about me as town. Basically everything you say is totally egocentric and related to your perceptions that don't really make much sense to me First of all, that's not the ONLY reason I'm suspicious of Hapa, so you aren't actually reading. Second of all, I've played games with the both of you. It IS weird that the both of you seem so ready to trust the other this early in the game when you both have been wrong about the other before. It's especially true that Hapa is basically contradicting himself or not reading your posts very closely as per the analysis I quoted that HE posted. And of course its egocentric and related to my own perceptions. Do you play mafia or just read a thread? | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:36 marvellosity wrote: Maybe I'm not explaining it so well 1) in your original long post you say hapa would best be able to catch me and knows me best 2) hapa gives a tone/attitude read on me 3) you disagree with the read and decide you know better 4) therefore hapa is suspicious, despite 1) all these things don't go together at all, really. 1) I quote how Hapa has TOLD ME (therefor giving me the knowledge he has) about your meta. 2) I quote Hapa's read 3) I show obvious examples of the very scum attitude-read he posted 4) therefor, Hapa isn't actually considering your real alignment | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:35 Hapahauli wrote: That's basically half the reason you're suspicious of me no? You know I've played a ton of games with marv. While I can articulate my methods of reading him in one way or another, the bottom-line is that a majority of me reading marv is completely on gut. There are just certain posts by him that I get strong town/scum vibes from, mostly because we have such a history together. In this game, there's just something about the way he's responding to the pressure here that makes me feel he's town. So back to the "holier than thou" thing with scum-marv, he tends to put himself above all the arguments, and either use it as an OMGUS or completely dismiss them at hand. In this game, he's getting emotionally caught up in them, which I consider a town-tell. Is he really, though? It seems like he wants to use these back-and-forth exchanges more as an avenue to shit on my play and my reads than to actually get anything useful out of it. If I am right about him, there is plenty of motivation for scum-Marv to want to discredit me when town-Marv is usually more cooperative even when I am tunneling him, in the recent past. Why the change this game in his response, and his overall attitude as compared to his recent play? | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote: Thing is, yamato, I'm going to attack posts with bad logic in, and that's not even alignment-indicative for me. I do that kinda shit just because I enjoy being right. It's only bad logic if you somehow think I'm supposed to assume that Hapa's read is coming from an honest place this game. | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:45 Hapahauli wrote: TBH, this sounds like Persona 2 all over again. I'm better than I was then. It won't get that far. | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:50 marvellosity wrote: Why have you not answered my question twice now Because I'm done arguing with you. | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:52 Hapahauli wrote: Stop arguing with marv and argue with me for a second. What parts of my explanations are inadequate? You're fine. Scum Hapa would have folded his cards by now if I was really right | ||
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On August 30 2013 08:58 marvellosity wrote: As yamato is ignoring me, I'm just gonna point this out to the thread. Unless my memory serves me incorrectly, the last time yamato tunnelled me was 6 months ago in an abortion of a game. So he's painting my reactions as scummy when compared to basically totally fictitious recent games that don't exist. me no gusta. You mean I really haven't called you scum since then? idk, seems off. I used to do it every game | ||
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On August 30 2013 09:00 Hapahauli wrote: Marv is cooperative as town getting tunneled? wat I guess I just have this feeling of Marv NOT being a dick to me in the past few games I've played with him. Turns out, it's because I haven't called him mafia, LOL. | ||
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On August 30 2013 09:07 Hapahauli wrote: If I get shot tonight, this town goes to hell unless you put some effort into this. if you get shot, I will play you're better at reading these unreadables than me I'll read syl/hopeless and post thoughts just for fun, but honestly who the fuck knows with those 2 | ||
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On August 30 2013 20:55 marvellosity wrote: rayn, this looks like a pretty bad case of blowing something small out of all proportion. Unfortunately that's just Rayn's modus operandi I think he's town tho, despite his ridiculous tunnel. His read of Oats is flat out wrong, however. Looks like we can agree on something. | ||
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On August 30 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone look at what i asked Tutan about his question to Hopeless? I did not understand anything he said and how that was relevant to my question. Am i just being stupid and not able to understand what people say? That is usually the problem | ||
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Hopeless I still have yet to read, but honestly FT is not a terrible lynch. | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:07 marvellosity wrote: Do it please. FT isn't a terrible lynch in that we're not losing anything by killing him and he might well be mafia, but it's terribly, terribly coinflippy. blegh Most of his filter is arguing about his read on TK which is based on TK's vote and unvote at the start of the game. Is he scum trying to fabricate a read out of something that I find completely meaningless or just a horribly misguided townie? There's a few places in his filter where I go "well that seems reasonable" so it's not like he jumped off the edge of the cliff. If we weren't nearing the end of this day I'd be content to sit on him as a lynch candidate and see what he does, but is he the best we can find? I'm going to reread Scib. Last time I remember, he +1'd some dumb thing you said in the middle of our argument. He's also been trying to tell me that I'm an asshole the whole game, and I don't like that. | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:18 marvellosity wrote: Towntell to me, he told you you were bad, and rayn, and me. In his scumgame that I remember he stayed totally aloof, I can't see him taking up needling as mafia just for shits and giggles He might, you never know. | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:24 marvellosity wrote: and Syl might start posting a lot more as mafia. What's your point? lol I feel like activity level as an alignment is more difficult to change than small stylistic posting differences. You are right when you say that he does seem more engaged than he did as scum. I think I said as much earlier. Not worth going down that road today, I guess. not lynching: you, hapa, debears, sylencia, rayn, scib, tutan that leaves: Oats, Onegu, FT, Hopeless, Sn0 FT is coinflip, Hopeless is hopeless, so let's look at Oats/Sn0/Onegu. | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Yamato, how is hopeless 'hopeless'? He isnt normally pushing a lynch at all like the whole game. That doesn't make him mafia. | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:32 marvellosity wrote: by this argument nothing makes anyone mafia, dear. 1) Hopeless is/was pushing a case this game 2) Hopeless doesn't usually push cases as towm 3) Therefor, Hopeless is scum idk about that conclusion | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:36 marvellosity wrote: that's not really what the case on him is though, is it dear. that's what Oats is saying, no? | ||
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On August 30 2013 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote: hopeless is pushing bad case. hopeless is trying to 'look' town Hopeless is scum. Hopeless as town is like not so tryhard and is like kinda floaty? Like he is never the main dude pushing someone.. somewhat accurate, I suppose but still, is this the BEST we've got? Hopeless is a player I definitely consider lynchbait. | ||
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On August 30 2013 23:09 Tutankoopa wrote: Can anyone tell me how readable the replacement is? his nickname is alakaspam yeah | ||
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On August 30 2013 23:34 debears wrote: @Hapa Can you remind me after lynch of something I need to talk to you about? A certain person is doing something off of his normal town game (at least I think he is). I don't think I would be able to get him lynched at this point. If you're talking about me, it's been a while since I even played town, let alone played with you. | ||
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On August 30 2013 23:53 debears wrote: Yamato. Take a look at the filters of Onegu, Syl, Hopeless, and Oats. Give me a quick gut read on which is scum. Then build a case on that person. Start playing My ranking 1) Syl 2) Hopeless 3) Onegu/Oats @Hapa and Marv I can't remember. Doesn't yamato usually check out of games once he is considered town (when he is town)? Gut says Syl but it's like the weakest read ever. Basically it makes no sense that he questioned my read of Marv at the start of the game on the basis of it being premature (everything is at that stage). It could be that he's actually putting in effort as mafia and is trying his best to be non-confrontational. Usually people like him who try to avoid arguments and the spotlight are good candidates for being mafia. Onegu is like, second on the list. Hopeless third. Oats last because he's playing right now and not being completely retarded. | ||
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On August 31 2013 06:19 Hapahauli wrote: Please give me more scum-reads than the practically non-posting lurker . Not sold on the Oats thing. As I said before, Syl is the next best lynch. That didn't change much with him voting Onegu. I'd say Alakaspam and Onegu are tied for last. All the replacement has done is complain about how long the game is. If he can read Aperture, he can read this game and give reads. Otherwise he scum. Onegu maybe scum, but he's kinda lynchbait. | ||
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On August 31 2013 06:26 debears wrote: REad Onegu's post on Syl. It's actually pretty good. Syl said earlier "lynching FT is fine by mine. I might vote for him". Then he bashes Onegu for voting FT. Total contradiction in a scum oriented fashion. Did syl suddenly forget he though FT was a good vote for lynch? So we lynch silentman? ok | ||
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On August 31 2013 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato and debears why are you refusing to look / comment on my posts on TK? because your filter is like ten pages and I just wrote you off as tunneled town TK is not scum, marv is not scum, stop it. | ||
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On August 31 2013 06:40 yamato77 wrote: ##Vote Sylencia ok EBWOP ##Unvote ##Vote Sylencia | ||
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##Vote Alakaslam okay with this as well dont lynch Oats if rayn actually shoots marv, we lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On September 01 2013 06:53 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, his filter there is 24 pages, and since they changed the filter shit I don't know how to display all pages at once. This is the comment I made in geript/mine QT though marvellosity was signed in when posted 04-25-2013 12:12 PM ET (US) "Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time." had a quick browse. found this funny. 1) clarity is usually active 2) him being fixated on sharrant is alignment indicative 3) the context of the game makes the case scummier, not less 4) having no proper reads is not a point in his favour so much fail in one paragraph The main reason it reminded me specifically of the you/me post is that what i quoted there was part of a larger post with all kinds of fail which yamato somehow comes up with a couple of times per game as town, whereas he doesn't as mafia. Anyways, i can't really disagree about how useful he's been, but do you really think he'd have gone balls out at BOTH of us like that? 1) Clarity had not been very active in any game I had played with him before LXI, such as Parallel where he replaced out. I had the impression that he was an inactive sort of player, for whatever reason. 2) They were both scum, and I later nailed the both of them. This was a post where I intentionally doubted all my own reads because I was being bad. This is also probably the second worst game I've ever played in. 3) You knew they were both mafia. You cannot objectively make these kinds of judgements. 4) It is a point in his favor for being mafia. I worded it poorly but you took this out of context. I made this post talking about who I wanted to lynch or something like that. so stfu, I may make dumb posts occasionally but this was not one of them. On September 01 2013 06:55 Hapahauli wrote: Maybe? I mean Yamato is fully capable of being useful as town, and if he's not next cycle, he should probably die. It disturbs me that you're considering the idea that I'm worth lynching over some of the highly suspect players in this game. It also disturbs me that you didn't get shot at, apparently. I'm watching you, Hapa. Just because you tried to help me de-tunnel Marv doesn't mean I ignore your posts the rest of the game. On September 01 2013 08:00 Hapahauli wrote: Welll... sweet. Also weird, IMO. Seems hesitant/unnatural. FOS Hapa On September 01 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not a vaild thought process, who would you shoot? He would have shot me, Hapa, or debears if he were scum and we were all town. Probably not me, unless he's paranoid that I'm able to catch him (he wouldn't be). Anyway, it DEFINITELY wouldn't be you. On September 01 2013 08:26 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not following the logic here. Debears claimed roleblock and you claim veteran. OK. So... 1) You've claimed mason and vigi already. How can I trust your claim? 2) What does yoru claim have anything to do with debears being roleblocked? The problem with Rayn here is that I think he'd do this as town, to be honest. He loves fakeclaiming as a powerplay to get what he wants. You are also correct in one of your posts where you say that it would be a stretch for scum Rayn to be this spastic. That said, I also believe debears. Not worth lynching into these claims TBH. On September 01 2013 08:32 debears wrote: mafia have fixed 1 kp. I was shot. You claim to be shot. Would have to be a vig (or sk) And two veterans. Unlikely imo This is also true. It's not entirely out of the question that there is a 3P with KP in this game, or perhaps a mafia vig. If you were town vig and shot one of Rayn or debears (lol, who am I kidding, you shot Rayn), you should claim. On September 01 2013 09:03 Hapahauli wrote: For as tough of a time I'm giving Ryan about the claim, it's probably legit (if Rayn is town). He hasn't been suspicious of debears at all this game, and all his other claims were levied around trying to manipulate the game around his individual reads. I do need to entertain the possibility of scum-Rayn tonight. And even though scum-Rayn can be somewhat spazztic, I don't know if he could fake these levels. Also, any town-vigi should claim. If not, we either have a mafia vigi or an SK on our hands. And if there's an SK, we can confirm it tomorrow night (if two people die) and thereby corroborate both of these claims. SK could have the power to withhold his shot/it might overlap with scum. There's no 100% possibility to RULE OUT an SK, so we should always be weary. That said, it's also possible mafia have a 2-shot vig or something, so it's difficult to confirm one as well. Flips on anti-town parties are the only way to confirm their existence and the validity of the claims. But for now, it's not worth thinking about them anymore. We should continue on as if both are true. As for the shots, it's obvious that debears was shot + roleblocked by scum. This is a common mafia tactic when bluesniping. But if someone picked up on his crumb, why would they shoot into a veteran, and if they did, why wouldn't they double-stack him and kill him off if they did have multiple KP? It is likely, then, that debears was shot under the normal decision making process of NK choices. This begs the question, why were the 2 higher-priority NK targets (Marv/Hapa) shot at? Mafia might have had a blue read on Debears somehow, but missed the crumb. It is also possible that Hapa is mafia and intentionally chose not to shoot Marv because of Marv's emotionally tilted play this game, and as to not lead to too many questions of why he is alive and Marv dead later on. Rayn seems unlikely to have been shot at by mafia. Rayn as town is a top-tier thread destroyer. He is also a liability to town with his propensity to make powerplays and generally ignore the advice of more objective players. If he is telling the truth and was shot, to me it implies a third party player who found him a threat to their survival. 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On September 01 2013 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is there no Hapa in your reads yamato? Also one thing that especially bothers me is why would debears be shot over Hapa/marv in case even one of them is town? Him being shot AND roleblocked by mafia makes sense how? Who would doc debears over marv/Hapa on N1? ##Unvote: Like, i think there is a possibility of 2 vets in the game. But what does this mean? I'm not going to talk about Hapa until I know his alignment. I talked about why debears would be shot over hapa/marv, I also talked about why he was shot + roleblocked. Please read my entire post. It's also possible that mafia thought Hapa/marv were too dangerous to shoot into (as in they are likely to be protected), but that doesn't really explain the roleblock unless they had no idea how else to use it. 2 vets probably means quite a bit of anti-town KP. Obviously. | ||
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On September 01 2013 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I understand the roleblock, i understand the shot. I don't understand them together, because mafia would need to think: 1) Do not shoot into marv - Hapa because they are likely protected 2) debears is blue, let's shoot him 3) but hey, let's also roleblock him in case he survives (which makes no sense because of 1 - as vet cannot be rb'd, and would mafia seriously assume 2 medics?) It just makes no sense to me. Like I said, mafia commonly do this when bluesniping (or even shooting at all, really). He could be vig or whatever, it's better to be safe than sorry when dealing with roles. | ||
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On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote: Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence. I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read. Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down. @scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now. | ||
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On September 02 2013 17:35 sciberbia wrote: @alakaslam Yamato looks like scum to me because
But I'd be more interested in hearing your thoughts on other people than further thoughts on yamato. I'd love it if you could find someone you think is scummy. Thanks for the follow-up explanation by the way. That was more helpful. 1) I'm limited in my time, period. My scum games look inactive because I care about teh game even less than I do now. That said, I have A LOT of time today to do some real scumhunting, now that I'm off work. 2) lolol whatever. I, as town, don't necessarily always throw reads out into the blue either. But I do have them, and for the most part, you know my read on every player in the game, just not particularly why I read them that way. 3) Means absolutely nothing. I'm wishy-washy about Hapa/Marv/Oats because I've read them wrong so many times in the past. The rest of you are just fucking mind boggling. 4) I backed off Marv because he was acting the way he used to when I accused him. Very good reason. I haven't actually backed all the way off Hapa, in fact, I'm actually going to do extensive reading of old games between the two of us. 5) "Finding good lynches" doesn't mean anything. I find mafia. FT was a perfectly good lynch for D1 because there was so much uncertainty regarding so many players that time was needed to let the thread develop. Basically everything was 50/50. 6) I am being useful. I will be exponentially more useful soon. It is not illogical to find Hapa's weaksauce push of me suspicious because it is suspicious. It's like he's afraid to actually call me mafia and push for my lynch. Harkens back to Duel Mini where he was mafia and pussy footed around the issue the whole game. Going to compare the two and see if memory serves. So, after I get back from the store and read Hapa's filter in Duel (plus maybe RTP for a vice-versa comparison), I will let you all know what I think. But Hapa calling me mafia since last night and then defaulting to lynching Slam is fucking SUSPICIOUS. | ||
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On September 02 2013 23:44 marvellosity wrote: Bleh, I was going to talk about Hapa and yamato, but it seems a little pointless. I just want to ask yamato If he's mafia, why make a 'weaksauce' push on you? What exactly is he gaining? I don't understand the motivation. Relating to the last bold bit, presumably if you know you're townie you know your alignment, so him wanting to lynch someone not-you is surely better than wanting to lynch you? Hapa, if scum, would not want confrontation with me. HE KNOWS I CAN CATCH HIM. But he does have to have reads, so he makes up the idea that I'm possible scum because I'm "useless" or whatever. | ||
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Needless to say, my towntell on him for trying to break us up was... faulty. | ||
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On September 02 2013 23:48 marvellosity wrote: I don't get it though, he doesn't need to have *that* read on you. Maybe he thinks he can get away with just calling me mafia? Why he has the read isn't the point really, it's how he's handling it. | ||
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On September 02 2013 12:46 Hapahauli wrote: If had to choose between the two, probably yamato, since useless = scum for him as a meta-point. However I'm not entirely convinced about either, and I'd probably lean towards lynching Slam at this point. We had a good case on hopeless, and his successor has literally done nothing up until this point. I mean, does this post sound like a town-hapa mentality? Don't you remember RTP where you both were town and I was mafia? He went after me the WHOLE DAY. He certainly didn't just have this weak ass read and let it flop about like a dead fish. | ||
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He begins the game (or shortly after) with a terrible case on someone (debears this game, iamp that game), and is then scrutinized for it. Hapa's defense this game was, "well I do this as town, too!" which is onyl somewhat true. As town, he pressures things that ACTUALLY ARE scummy, but as I pointed out early on D1, his case on debears was absolute dogshit and seems completely fabricated. He attempts his best to seem somewhat "pro-town" without actually leading discussion in a useful direction. In the beginning of both of these games, he makes a post like this: On February 25 2013 11:03 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato + Cora Can you both take a breather and calmly explain who your scumreads are and why? Both of you are at the throat of every person who accuses you, and I can't keep track of it for the life of me. Where he attempts to look like a "peacemaker" between two headstrong townies. But what is noticeably missing from his play in Duel and his play this game (on D2 at least) is real discussion about his lynch targets. All of today he's spent talking about me/Oats, yet he makes the post I quoted in the last post I made saying he doesn't even want to lynch us. Why? He also avoids direct confrontation with me for an extended period of time. EVERY TIME I've questioned his read of me this game, he's failed to respond. In fact, he's generally not even talking TO ME, just ABOUT me. What made him rescind his town read of me on D1? Has he explained that? Why is a period of inactivity from me so detrimental to his read of me that I went from relatively sure town to "maybe scum" over the period of ~24 hours? He did MUCH THE SAME THING in Duel. And I caught him the same way! His read of me was ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT and not logically explained whatsoever, and when I called him out on it, he deflected. So I dueled him. And got him lynched. This game feels eerily similar to how that played out, only he has yet to hang for his crimes. So let's change that. ##Vote Hapahauli | ||
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On September 03 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote: yam, I've got nowhere near enough to lynch Hapa today. And by that I mean I think Hapa is town. Or at least not mafia. Why do you think Hapa is town? I guarantee I can deconstruct your townread of him with just posts from his filter in Duel. | ||
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On September 03 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote: I was in Duel, and it didn't feel the same as this. I don't really know what else to say right now. You also died N1, and aren't me. Yes, a lot of this is subjective. That's mafia. Trust me, Marv. I can read Hapa. I've never thought Hapa was scum past D1 in a game we were both town before. | ||
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On September 03 2013 00:51 marvellosity wrote: if he's mafia he's significantly upped his game imo. It's not completely out of the question, is it? I mean, I fooled you for at least a little while in PMs in Sicilian, no? | ||
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On September 01 2013 08:00 Hapahauli wrote: Welll... sweet. Doesn't this seem to you like he was expecting something else from the daypost? It's just a weird fucking post as town to make. When I see "Welll..." I think hesitancy or disappointment. Why are either of those things townie reactions to a daypost with no deaths? | ||
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On September 03 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote: And yet bad enough to miss his crumb that had an underline and a double e in the same sentence? Do you disagree with how I analysed the NKs? If you don't, then honestly, I don't think anyone who hasn't been around for quite a while would know to shoot + roleblock. MAYBE scib would be experienced enough as mafia, but I really feel like it's Hapa. | ||
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On September 03 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: yamato, i see shoot+roleblocks in newbies for god's sakes, I'm not lynching on that. that's not even the whole argument each piece is weak on its own, but together they all paint the same picture hapa is mafia | ||
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On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote: @yamato Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats? This is why I pushed Hapascum Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture | ||
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On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote: So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not? I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you. | ||
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On September 03 2013 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato do you think marv is town? Yes | ||
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On September 03 2013 08:23 marvellosity wrote: And I'm not impressed you made a case, afked, and didn't give a single fuck about the lynch. I made a case, pushed the case, left my vote on mafia, and then had to go to sleep for at least a few hours. I slept 5 hours. | ||
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On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote: Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something. SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are. As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game: ... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone. I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this. | ||
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On September 03 2013 08:35 Tutankoopa wrote: I want to +1 this. If you guys knew my name+alignment you'd probably be lynching me on the fact that I haven't been foaming at the mouth for much of this game. People don't seem to care lately with the exception of scib all game long and hapa just recently. I have no idea what's causing this, but discussion in this game has proven to be entirely unhelpful. I'm gonna re-read the entire thread sometime before D3 and if anyone has the time, I'd like them to do the same. The game is probably over at the daypost. | ||
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Sn0 looks like mafia. 4 page filter for day 1, and managed to find himself on both town wagons. Since then, he's done absolutely nothing except decide that Oats was a better lynch than Slam out of nowhere. If I'm right about Sn0, Slam is also probably mafia. Has done nothing all game and is even less useful than he is in Aperture at any given time. Hopeless was also the main lynch target D1, and him replacing out seems more likely if he is mafia than if he is town in that situation. TK being thrawn means he's almost certainly not scum, but I still like my 3P read on him. He gives just enough of a fuck that I'm sure this isn't scum thrawn, but not enough for me to want to give him a town read. I feel like he's posted more out of a survival instinct than anything. Also, still rather convinced of Hapa. I don't see scib/debears/marv/rayn/syl as mafia. Onegu mighty be mafia who is bussing Slam for THE CREDZ but I like my conspiracy theories better. Anyway, GG scum, you played well. | ||
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On September 03 2013 19:59 marvellosity wrote: Tutan is thrawn? I didn't see that one coming. Kinda sad I know who it is, because now I can't help attaching overall opinions of thrawn to his posts. I would say his posts are much higher quality than I expected (compliment, not an insult) and I'd be pretty surprised if thrawn is mafia. What do you think of Slam/Sn0 as scumbuddies? | ||
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On September 03 2013 20:04 marvellosity wrote: Onegu's post looks really good to me, and tbh Sn0 has been sliding under my radar ever since I semi-wrote him off on Day 1 sometime. I'll check on Sn0's filter myself later to see if I get the same feels as you and Onegu. This game has been unusually hard to draw any activity tells from, so we'll see. Who else could realistically be mafia? | ||
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On September 03 2013 22:16 thrawn2112 wrote: I buy a slam/sn0 team but hapa? Why not marv? hapa pretty townie during last bits of D2 imo sn0 is probably the one i'm most "confident" about. i gave him a pass for a dumb 3 word phrase and have yet to even think about his existence in this game until just now I guess it's possible Marv is mafia, but we could talk about Hapa. What about him makes you feel that he's town? | ||
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On September 03 2013 23:42 Sn0_Man wrote: If thats your take on it. I got roundly ignored so I basically just read the thread and posted the occasional insight. I got quoted as a reason for a vote change so there was something there but I'll admit that person was hapa so you'll probably come up with some theory that has him as my scumbuddy. On another topic, what does Koopa being thrawn mean to people? I already talked about thrawn. He's not mafia. By "post the occasional insight", you mean quite literally that you posted around four pages of 1-3 line comments on what was happening in the thread, largely devoid if any real analysis or substance. Why are you concerned, or even aware of how you look in relation to Hapa as it pertains to associations between possible mafia? | ||
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On September 04 2013 00:11 Sn0_Man wrote: ? Stop misconstruing me please. I was merely pointing out that certain members of the thread put a lot less stock in anything hapa says than other members of the thread. No, you said Hapa quoted you as a reason for a vote change, and that might give me reason to think you are scumbuddies. It shows both an awareness of Hapa's play (more than even me, the guy who has read his filter four times by now), and a preoccupation with how others might view interactions within the thread between yourself and Hapa. So I ask again, what other reality than you are mafia with Hapa adequately explains this combination of paranoia? | ||
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Going to mulligan everything. Consider all of my posts before this one completely meaningless. I will carry this. I'm the best positioned to do so. | ||
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On September 04 2013 13:03 Hapahauli wrote: How quickly can you mulligan? We have 48 hours. Gotta move quick. I'm going to do it tonight. I have time. | ||
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On August 22 2013 06:29 Dandel Ion wrote: Setup Q&A
On September 04 2013 07:58 Hapahauli wrote: Since we're approaching LYLO, claiming seems like the best option. A mass-claim is probably a good idea right now. I'm the Conditional Doctor. I can only use my power when the "water level" is over 750, and a successful save reduces the water level by 50. No breadcrumbs, nor do I ever use them as town. Saving debears, and hopefully a successful save and a drop in water-level will vindicate my claim to those suspicious of me. Wish me luck! On September 04 2013 08:21 Hapahauli wrote: Host gave me some vague answer, saying that "any blocked KP would result in -50 water level" On September 04 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote: What are you even talking about? I do know what it does with mafia KP. I.e if I block mafia KP, the water level goes down 50. I have no fucking clue what it does to 3rd party self-damaging shit Upon close examination of the OP, the role PM of debears and the claim from Hapa, this is certainly noteworthy. It doesn't mean he's mafia, but I will not consider him confirmed town in my reread of the game, as he might wish for us to do today. There very well could be a mafia doctor in this strange setup. | ||
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On September 05 2013 01:14 Sn0_Man wrote: A mafia doctor that makes the water level go *down*? or how else are you explaining the water level netting -100 last night after debears's action AND there being a "successful" NK? Yeah ur full of it. How do you know how much an NK affects the water level, if at all? The OP says it does, but does that mean EVERY NK does? I find it disturbing that you blindly trust claims in a closed setup. | ||
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On September 05 2013 01:20 Sn0_Man wrote: Sure but trying to expand our lynch options to obvious town hapa is not "being cautious" its increasing our chances of a mislynch aka losing on the spot. The whole point of a mulligan is to start the game completely fresh, without necessarily considering your preconceived notions of how people have played the game so far. First, I try to figure out as much about the setup as I can, then I try to look at voting. If either of those fail to produce leads as to possible mafia, then I rely on carefully combing the thread for scumtells and the like. It's worked in the past. It will work this game. | ||
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On September 05 2013 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote: I can wait, but so far your "mulligan" feels a lot more like: Well of my 3 man "scum-team" (aka mislynch-roster), 2 have proven themselves or flipped town. I really need an excuse to 180 on everything so... "Mulligan" time. It is true, town in the same situation does the same thing, but I really don't see town starting off with some BS about hapa not being confirmed town  . Voting far less informative this game than I had hoped since Day 1 was fairly "runaway" with 8 votes to 3, and day 2 was a "close race" between 2 townies. However, if you can spot anything really useful I'd love to hear it. I do somewhat feel like Syl and Thrawn look a bit bad from day 1 voting, but nothing too conclusive. I look deeper than just the votecounts. A really effective tactic is to scan through someone's filter looking at votes and unvotes, and read why they voted or unvoted. I already have a sneaking suspicion about one player just based off this. | ||
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On September 05 2013 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote: I hope it's marv Actually it's Rayn | ||
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On September 05 2013 01:59 Sn0_Man wrote: Oooo. Hows it compare/contrast to last game where the only scummer he ever had his vote on (as a townie) was you? Either way, looking forward to this expose of yours. I'm building notes right now on all of you before I do anything like make a post. I'm going to be sure of my suspicions before I do anything else. | ||
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On September 05 2013 01:50 Sn0_Man wrote: I hope it's marv Marv does look really bad, too Like holy fuck his votes are shit | ||
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Rayn: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637796 Most notable vote in his filter, really. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660719 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660788 Why does Rayn repeatedly leave his vote on people he doesn’t really think are mafia? Screams throughout the day that X is scum (TK on D1, Hapa on D2) and then votes for lurky mislynches twice? Possible mafia. Sylencia: Not active in the voting much, and his voteposts aren’t TERRIBLE. inconclusive. Onegu: Votes for FT based on basically nothing D1. Unvotes when argued at, but finds another bad excuse to vote for him again at the end of the day. D2 votes Slam and never moves his vote. Possible mafia. Sn0: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19635723 “consolidation vote” on Slam http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637580 “consolidation vote” on FT Both instances, doesn’t seem to care which of them gets lynched. Mentions Syl/Oats as other people he MIGHT vote for at other odd times, but never makes a real push himself. Squirms out of voting for Syl because of something Marv said. Possible mafia. Hapa: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637052 Weird from Hapa to be so indecisive about lynching Syl, but understandable I guess. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637746 Defeated or scum? Hard to know. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660890 Only vote D2 is a case on Oats that simultaneously removes impetus from the Slam lynch. Could see Town Hapa doing this, tbh. TK/Thrawn: Vote on slam is not that bad D1. Doesn’t waffle around much. Discusses the lynch a lot. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19639238 Notably agrees with my Onegu analysis. Not a vote but noteworthy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660903 Disturbing that he defends Oats earlier on in the day only to find his vote there later one because “Hapa is convincing” Overall, not very conclusive. Marv: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637106 syrup and waffle. Notably, also doesn’t seem to give too much of a fuck which of FT/Slam gets lynched http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637549 wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaffffffffffffffffffllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660681 votes for slam D2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660965 then votes for Oats, again waffling about slam Does he care who gets lynched? Doesn’t look like it Not terribly conclusive, but out of the three, I would pick Rayn/Marv/Onegu as the worst and the ones I will concentrate on in my next step: a read of the thread. | ||
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Not lynching thrawn. He sucks ass at mafia and I highly doubt he would be able to pull this off. Sylencia actually looks the best out of every save Hapa/Thrawn on the voting. That combined with his general higher activity than normal makes me think he's town. I looked hard at you last night but I have begun to seriously doubt that you're actually mafia. You seemed to play just like this in Persona. that really only leaves Marv/Rayn/Onegu as possible mafia, and I can believe any one of them capable of playing the way they have this game as mafia. I had townreads on them before because of how much they fuck up the thread, but I realize that Rayn is known for doing that kind of thing as scum with his scumbuddy before. | ||
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On September 05 2013 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: I kinda want to kill yamato just for his incredibly terrible analysis on my voting. You're the one that said in the post you voted that it was a mislynch. | ||
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On September 05 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato explain you full 180 on Sno_man. no | ||
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On September 05 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the funniest post in thread. Compare this to yamato's "analysis" of my voting and actions.. rofl. Maybe we should just lynch him. ##Vote: yamato77 You're tipped your hand. Since when did you lose your confidence in me being town? Today we lynch scum. ##Vote Raynpelikoneet | ||
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On September 05 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato When you get back, I need an answer to the following: 1) How is it that your Sn0 read is so different from yesterday? 2) Your votecount analysis seems really shallow. You spend zero time looking into the context of those posts and take them all at face value. You should realize that voting has been chaotic and wishy-washy as a whole this game. 3) I really don't understand the complete inability for us to have a conversation this game. For example, this post... ...you made after you posted your case against me, seemingly promising to show some effort and talk to me. Instead you fucked off, did god knows what, and came back the next morning and tunneled me while I was gone. You seemed so much more interested in calling me scum than actually trying to determine my allignment. You know why my Sn0 read is different, I fucking explained it. And yes, the vote analysis is shallow because it is just an indicator of POSSIBLE mafia. I say in the post that it's inconclusive because it is. I'm not all the way done reforming my reads. Rayn flip flopping about my alignment is fucking fishy, dude. That's why I voted for the guy with the 20 page filter who has been fucking around the whole damn game. As far as having a conversation with you, I don't know what to tell you. I post in the thread, and if you don't respond or respond in such a manner that you dismiss everything I did post (as you've been oft to do this game), I'm not one much to put forth extreme effort to get anything out of you. | ||
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Rayn I voted for because of how I view his voting habits. Yes, there is context, but there is also an overriding mindset that should be the determining force in the placement of votes. Town players seldom vote for what they would label a mislynch, no matter what context. Also, he flips his read on me as I question my assumptions about his ability to emulate this sort of play as mafia. I doubted it before, but do I necessarily want to risk losing a game to him on the assumption that he can't reliably fake being a fucking nutjob as scum? Not really. As for who I want to lynch, I'm yet undecided. It would be lovely if Marv gave a fuck about this game, but apparently he doesn't. Is this necessarily something I attribute to scum Marv? No, but it certainly doesn't help him in the face of his weak voting history and his lack of initiative in scumhunting. I suppose I feel better about his lynch than just about anyone else. I have my misgivings about trusting Rayn, but I suppose that will always be the case with someone who plays mafia better than they do town. ##Unvote ##Vote Marvellosity | ||
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On September 05 2013 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote: Why are you trusting rayn? Because I'm listening to Hapa. Like I've said before in this very game, it's PROBABLY the case that Rayn is town. I would also feel like a bass if Marv is mafia and I called him out D1. | ||
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On September 05 2013 20:47 yamato77 wrote: Because I'm listening to Hapa. Like I've said before in this very game, it's PROBABLY the case that Rayn is town. I would also feel like a bass if Marv is mafia and I called him out D1. EBWOP feel like a baws* | ||
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On September 06 2013 05:38 Hapahauli wrote: @ Yamato Are you around? Sort of. I know you don't feel good about the Marv lynch. Onegu is fine as a lynch, too. | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:38 Sn0_Man wrote: Wat? I think that yam/syl/thrawn are the scumteam thats what I think of them. They all carefully avoid giving each other scumreads. ##Unvote ##Vote: Sylencia Don't worry too much rayn I'm really liable to flip flopping right now and I'll do my best to ensure voting shenanigans do not occur. I just feel like Syl is the best vote right now. If you think he is scum I strongly encourage you to vote syl over marv tbh. The only issue is that we need MORE THAN 5 people on Syl to guarantee his lynch (although you shouldn't care since the only person it can bounce to is marv so your scumteam gets lynched either way). I was leaning town on you until you did this shit. | ||
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On September 06 2013 07:33 Sn0_Man wrote: well, its EITHER those 3 OR Marv/Onegu +1 and I'm unsure who the +1 is. Its so hard to figure this out. Im probably ending up voting marv anyway. I'm aware that this looks flip floppy but I don't care because we lose if we don't hit scum today. Literally all I care about is hitting scum. Are you flip-flopping because you are the + 1 in that second group? | ||
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On September 06 2013 07:52 marvellosity wrote: Hi all. ##Vote: Hapahauli 7 minutes good grace because I'm nice like that And to think I doubted my gut read of you D1 Hapa you will pay for this | ||
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On September 06 2013 07:54 Hapahauli wrote: well im fuk'd ##Vote Marv Wat | ||
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On September 06 2013 12:25 thrawn2112 wrote: Hey yamato. How's this going to play out? Tomorrow, while high on pain meds after a root canal, I am going to name the last two scum, and then get told I'm wrong and mislynched for the loss of town. Watch. | ||
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On September 06 2013 10:05 Hapahauli wrote: You're preaching to the choir man. Again, I agree with you. You agree that me saying Rayn is a better scum player than a town player doesn't make any sense? I know that's a lie >_> | ||
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It takes real mental fortitude to not scream at you for how lazy you are when discerning my alignment, if you are indeed town. | ||
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I hate that the biggest indicator that HAPAHAULI is town is that he fucking claimed blue. It reeks, Hapa. | ||
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On September 06 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey yamato are you here? I am now if you ask non-stupid questions, I might even entertain a conversation. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also, even if you think my questions are not reasonable, can you answer Hapa's? what does Hapa question? All he keeps saying about me is that I'm "useless" when I've probably put in more time and effort this game than he has. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are not even looking at what "confirmed townies" post. What gives? If there's some question I missed, you can tell me instead of being an obtuse asshat. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: That is the point. You never gave any concrete reasons for your reads change. It was all because of "i reread stuff". It's not enough. Why is Sno now town and Onegu scum, it makes no sense to me? Looking at how they justified their votes and how consistent this voting pattern was with the rest of their filter played a part in me slightly changing my reads. TBH the strength of my reads is always in flux and will change. It's the worst argument in all of mafia to call someone scum because they changed their mind about how they read the game. | ||
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If I accept that Hapa is doc (I don't want to) and that thrawn is still terrible at being scum (maybe he isn't?), then I have to consider that 2 out of Sn0/Syl/Onegu are mafia. But I doubt this, because I think the hubbub over Syl not having a fakeclaim is unreliable, both because of host error and because I don't trust Hapa. If Hapa is mafia, he has every reason there to lead you down this road. Plus, why would Marv tell Syl to make this messy sort of claim when it was already clear he was getting lynched? What disturbs me is: 1) Marv is a better mafia leader than that. 2) Why did Hapa want to lynch Syl over the AFK Marv who had solid cases against him? (note, his vote was only on him after he apparently scumclaimed) 3) Hapa and Marv both defended each other throughout the game against almost all rebuke, even on Marv's final day. 4) We have no way to truly confirm Hapa's role as doc because now he can't even use his own role, due to its conditional nature, AND this is a closed setup. Would a scum doctor be entirely out of the question in a themed game of this nature? Why are we presuming this to be normal in any way, shape, or form? It's POSSIBLE that we have a lynchproof townie. 5) Why the fuck would mafia Syl fakeclaim lynchproof? To save Marv? It would never have worked, and Marv would have known that. You ruined nothing, because the plan was so bad it could have never made it out of the QT, if it was even suggested, 6) Messy claims like this almost always come from town, in my experience. Scum would go over every facet of a claim before they risked making one. Also, I question my presumption that thrawn cannot play mafia. It's entirely possible that thrawn has learned how to post, especially having been on a scum team with a leader like Marv. The attitude and encouragement of your scum partners can greatly affect your ability to post things believably. This would also adequately explain the disparity in posting ability between Hapa's recent scumgames and this game. The whole reason I question this is because when I look at how the last day went down, I think to myself "who really stepped up to try at MYLO to solve the game/give their input?" Keep in mind, this is relative, but Sylencia, Onegu and Sn0 were all in the thread throughout the day discussing things. Unusually silent were Hapa and Thrawn, both of which have seen their respective activities slowly decline over the past few days, as Marv's has. Now, I'll admit, taking the step to saying that Hapa fakeclaimed is more risky than presuming that he didn't. But we can't be certain he's telling the truth, and there's enough minor connection between the Thrawn/Marv/Hapa triangle that I feel like it's at least worth discussing before we jump off a cliff trying to lynch someone who may well be unlynchable. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know yamato. My point is it's something that has been here, in thread all game long. For example your read on me. You have had a town read on me until D3 start. Suddenly i become scum for my D1 and D2 voting. That is something you have had access to before. Why did you not make that conclusion on N1 N2 start? It's really fishy, and the same thing happens with Onegu/Sno. Do you not understand that you WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN when you do something like what I did? As in, your past reads SHOULD be questioned with a heavy dose of skepticism? The fact that I entertained the possibility that I was reading the game incorrectly is actually the towniest fucking thing ever, btw. Scum yamato would never admit he was wrong. However, I have the good sense to know that I have preconceived notions about how players play, and that if I let them cloud my judgement the entire game, I could very well lose. | ||
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Why would scum Yamato NEED to change his reads at that time? | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: So do you think Sylencia is mafia or not? Not really, no. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually yamato, you are throwing dirt on everyone besides me. You are not sure of anything besides me at this point? I find it hard to believe knowing your skill level. I'm quite clearly saying that I DON'T really think Onegu/Syl/Sn0 are mafia and that I have LOTS of reason to question Hapa and Thrawn, bro. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Well thats progress. Hapa's town tho so drop that. I'm willing to hear cases against thrawn for sure but you need something better than "maybe he learned to post as mafia iunno". That isn't selling me on a "this lynch is a sure thing" and its MYLO so... I'm not sure sylencia tried to "solve the game" he pretty much just showed up, claimed, then tossed a vote at marv and ran. I do agree that the claim garbage is a bit messed up. You cannot possibly blindly trust a claim in a closed setup You WILL lose. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Well thats progress. Hapa's town tho so drop that. I'm willing to hear cases against thrawn for sure but you need something better than "maybe he learned to post as mafia iunno". That isn't selling me on a "this lynch is a sure thing" and its MYLO so... I'm not sure sylencia tried to "solve the game" he pretty much just showed up, claimed, then tossed a vote at marv and ran. I do agree that the claim garbage is a bit messed up. ALSO, RE: Thrawn I could go through his filter and pick out "signs" that I think thrawn could be mafia, but the most important thing is that his interest in this game and the effort he's put into solving it in the past few days has waned to a significant point. Look at his posts since he came out as thrawn. Are they really indicative of a townie, who should be caring MORE about the game as MYLO approaches, or a mafia player who cares less because he thinks the game is already won? Same goes for Hapa BTW. The end of his filter is shit compared to what a REAL town Hapa would look like at this point in the game. He's not even trying, he's just posting what amounts to random spam instead of actually trying to win the game. I mean, when have you EVER SEEN Hapa agree with Rayn? Doesn't happen. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, you are not being clear in saying anything in your big post. You say these guys are scum, or maybe it's these guys. Just because you can't see the forest for the trees doesn't mean it isn't there. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:18 Sn0_Man wrote: Its Mylo. Don't "question" hapa and/or thrawn, prove one or both are scum. I know its a lot of work but the onus is kinda on you right now since ur a scum suspect and all. If you are town and want to win I think you know whats required. The claim has a lot of shit backing it up like water level falling and debears living (until modkill) and we got to see his PM. No way thats scum lol. Besides I'm pretty sure hapa coulda got a townie lynched yesterday if he was scum and tried hard enough. Say what you will but attacking him looks scummy to me (and rayn, and him, and all the other townies in the thread). If you're town and want to win, you should stop making stupid assumptions. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:21 Sn0_Man wrote: We could lynch yam today. He looks worse than Syl atm since syl's claim is still confuzzling to me. I'm solving the damn game, dude. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato, be clear now plaese if you are town. Who is scum and why? this is why I don't respond to you it's like I'm playing with a hyper-spam version of Oats | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:19 yamato77 wrote: ALSO, RE: Thrawn I could go through his filter and pick out "signs" that I think thrawn could be mafia, but the most important thing is that his interest in this game and the effort he's put into solving it in the past few days has waned to a significant point. Look at his posts since he came out as thrawn. Are they really indicative of a townie, who should be caring MORE about the game as MYLO approaches, or a mafia player who cares less because he thinks the game is already won? Same goes for Hapa BTW. The end of his filter is shit compared to what a REAL town Hapa would look like at this point in the game. He's not even trying, he's just posting what amounts to random spam instead of actually trying to win the game. I mean, when have you EVER SEEN Hapa agree with Rayn? Doesn't happen. If you want a "case" this is the best you'll get. I could show examples of what I mean, but it's plainly obvious to me at this point. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why have you not commented on this before because that was my case on him on D2? Your case D2 cannot include information about thrawn's play from MYLO on D3. Besides, at that point I had written the both of you off for that stupid feud. It's only in hindsight that I revisit it. Does it even matter? Is it not true? | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:31 Sn0_Man wrote: So your case on thrawn is essentially what we used to nail marv yah? See? It's actually a good case. | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:57 thrawn2112 wrote: heello yamat o. how's it Goin? at what point did I "stop doing things that made me town?" I read that line and thought: "is thrawn mafia?" if you are, consider that your downfall | ||
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On September 07 2013 04:12 thrawn2112 wrote: yamato you have no clue what you're talking about because you weren't in the thread during the times you're talking about. what are you even saying? | ||
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On September 07 2013 04:15 thrawn2112 wrote: you think I showed a wanning interest in the game on D3? *have showed a waning interest since D1 | ||
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On September 07 2013 04:15 thrawn2112 wrote: you think I showed a wanning interest in the game on D3? also, I was definitely in the thread on D3 you and Hapa contributed a negative amount of thoughts to the lynch | ||
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On September 07 2013 04:21 thrawn2112 wrote: Right after the marv lynch. After the D2 lynch you did voting analysis, and talking about your mulligans. I kept waiting for you to come back but you never did, and it was right after the D3 lynch that I realized how much of nothing you'd done lately. You know what I was doing that day? I'll give you an itemized list of things. I woke up at 5AM CDT and began reading Dune Messiah I finished Dune Messiah around 10AM CDT, and then I ate lunch. At 12PM CDT, I went to class until 3:30 PM CDT After class, I went to dinner, which lasted until the deadline at 6 PM EDT. Then I went back to sleep to get up for work at 11 PM CDT. I literally haven't had time to post. | ||
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On September 07 2013 14:14 Onegu wrote: So what are your scum reads now? Thrawn still has a shot at being mafia and I'm not going to autolynch Syl today. | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: yamato i am going to be so mad at you if you continue doing this martyr thing you have been doing for the last couple of days and flip town. Why are you not even trying to play the game? You have clearly been here and following the thread? Why are you not trying to find scum if you are town? go away | ||
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On September 09 2013 22:16 Onegu wrote: Yamato if you arent last scum then who is? you? honestly, i don't care hope one of you/sn0 is smart enough to actually look at the other one instead of listening to rayn | ||
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On September 09 2013 23:12 Sn0_Man wrote: No-Lynches make sense if anybody is playing enough to solve who's who. At this point it doesn't really feel like that is in the cards. OTOH if Rayn is really a vet that makes this easier. Waiting on NK results for now but I think the game should be pretty easy. 1) No lynches make sense in a 3v1 MYLO scenario, bar none. Don't be dumb. 2) Vets generally only have protection from 1 KP. bad post is bad | ||
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On September 09 2013 23:25 Onegu wrote: Sigh are you even reading anymore, I have been leaning more toward sn0 being scum, but now it just looks like you have given up after marv flipped. you're probably the towniest of the 3, tbh then its sn0 and last is thrawn for fucking off since he became thrawn | ||
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On September 09 2013 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: So thrawn is scum because at the D3 start he was the first one to vote for marv? ...? Did I say that? wtf Rayn If you look at D3 votes, scum is probably Sn0 since he said he'd rather lynch Syl. I could see scum thinking they should sacrifice Syl to keep Marv alive another day since roleblocker and all, like you thought. | ||
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On September 06 2013 04:36 Sn0_Man wrote: So far so good. Any chance we could lynch Onegu today? Despite how badly I want marv to be scum based on gut etc, I still don't have anything solid on him whereas this post from Onegu is, as we've both concluded, advocating a scum-favoured line of play. BTW Onegu's excuse if you read is basically "syl is scum but even if he isn't this should work". Which is terrible. lolololololololol | ||
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You will die tonight, I almost guarantee it. Vets are not bulletproof. Also, no lynching removes one more person from the equation, meaning you are more likely to lynch the real mafia. | ||
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I love to learn things about my own play every day. | ||
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They deserve it this game. It's astounding that they didn't shoot Rayn, though. | ||
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On September 10 2013 12:37 Sn0_Man wrote: Well its literally you or Onegu and after re-reading Syl it really didn't feel like Onegu. ask yourself do I seem like the same yamato as last game? ignoring the terribly misinformed opinions of Rayn, the answer is quite obvious | ||
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On September 10 2013 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the last three days i have tried to get people talk with each other. Nobody talks with anyone but me, asks me what i think of things. How the hell am i supposed to find out who is scum when you guys do not talk with each other? Ithought you were scum when marv flipped, i think you are still scum because you have done nothing to prove otherwise. It is true that you are not the only one not trying, nobody else is too. But you are the most experienced of these people ffs, at least you should know to not stop playing if the game is "lost" or "won". What about Marv flipping mafia makes me mafia? Nothing. Any "association" you think you've drummed up is a figment of your imagination. Any perception that I stopped caring about the game is an equal falsehood. | ||
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On September 10 2013 21:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, i think you are scum because you are saying stuff that makes absolutely no sense and you can't even explain why are you saying that stuff. Have you played with me when I'm town? Conspiracy theories are my trademark. | ||
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On September 10 2013 21:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am reading the D3 and i cannot believe Sno_man is mafia. I honestly just can't. that's useful | ||
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lol, Rayn | ||
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there's where you go wrong: you presume to know what sn0 would have done as scum | ||
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Fuck off. Good game. | ||
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If you have any doubts, let you agonize over them for 24 extra hours so that when you finally realize your error, you'll rethink how you play this game. | ||
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On September 11 2013 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have just shown that you have not given shit about the game as soon as the game has been going bad for scum. You have clearly made statements that need explaining, yet you are refusing to explain anything. Other people (besides flipped scum and you) have tried to solve the game, tried to figure out who is mafia and who is not. If you are town and Sno_man (or Onegu somehow) is scum, it's your fault that you have not even tried to do anything to solve the game and convince people to vote for your scumreads. Every time I talk about one of them being mafia, you go " NO THEY'RE NOT MAFIA BECUASE I SAID SO, YOU ARE!!!!!1!1!1!1!1!" Verbatim quotation. | ||
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You think I'm doing this just to martyr? LOL. Just looking at the posting from last night until today, I actually am nearly certain that Onegu is the mafia here. Will explain at length shortly. | ||
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Does he seem at all interested in reading my filter and giving a real read of me or is he simply following the thread sentiment that I am scum and trying to win today? Really, his last post gives it away. "Yeah, I just want to be sure about this thing, so I'll go ahead and vote Yamato and try to get the day to end early." Makes no sense. | ||
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Also, as I said before, his voting history is pathetic. D1 and D2 he placed his vote on the ultra lurkers and basically peaced. The only reason his vote changed D1 was because he was "waiting for FT to explain himself" or whatever, but it ended back there anyway. D2 he literally voted and then did almost nothing else. Rayn thinks Onegu is town because of hiw he went after Syl D3, but does he ever consider that Sylencia's claim was meant to be so he could be bussed, to buy Marv time? It's easy to look like you think someone is scum when YOU KNOW they are scum. | ||
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Onegu, on the other hand, is a different story. He's waffled about it and such, because he had a "scumread" on you, Sn0, so it look odd if he goes into MYLO and just votes me. But essentially, that's what he's done. He pointed out some apparent inconsistency in my posting (meaningless semantics) and echoed the stupid fucking sentiment that I've "given up on the game" (I clearly haven't), and then waffled some more. Really, like I said, it's his final actions that give him away. If he "wants to be sure about this" why did he leave his vote on me and decide to shorten the day? The cognitive dissonance gives away his true intentions; he wanted to find a reason to vote for me and, by extension, win the game. He wasn't at all interested in actually looking at my filter and reading my true alignment, because not once did he come up with a single original thought about my play. So yeah, you can thank me later, I solved the game. ##Unvote ##Vote Onegu | ||
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I'm going to taunt you endlessly postgame for how terrible the both of you are playing today and how narrowminded you have to be to be lynching me at this point, having seen how I played scum last game. | ||
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On September 11 2013 23:54 Onegu wrote: Yamato you were getting lynched, if I was obvscum wouldnt I just plant my vote on sn0 and peace out. It does the same thing... I never said you werent scum either. I said I needed to look at you again. I put out reasons for sn0 being mafia and countered rayn arguememt, but he had good counterpoints. I made sure rayn wasnt moveing his vote off of you onto sno, then sn0 wont vote himself, I think you have a good shot of flipping scum, still think sn0 does also. At that point why not shorten the game and get it overwith? you said "i just want to be sure about this" and then voted me and tried to end the game early obvscum | ||
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I mean, who cares about which one is ACTUALLY scum, right? | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:06 Sn0_Man wrote: But he isn't even scum he's just dumb town... stop being bad | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: In the meantime, yamato: 1) Why did you not explain your read on Sno to Hapa when he asked about it (besides me) multiple times? 2) What was your thought process of me being scum on N2-D3 start given that i saved Oats on D1? 3) Why did you do nothing in the game for 5 irl days D3 ->? i explained my read of sn0, period. we had this discussion. I rescinded ALL OF MY READS at the start of D3 for the purpose of re-examining them. saving Oats isn't necessarily an alignment indicative play. nor is it enough to make you "confirmed town" once he flipped town. i don't but into confirmed townies too often anyway, it's easy to lose games that way. i did stuff, you guys just ignored it and/or called me scum for it. story of my life. | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: 4) Why did you think Hapa is scum on N3? 5) Why did you think Thrawn is scum on D3-D5? because he obviously didn't give much of a fuck about actually discerning my alignment. Hapa, as town, should know better than to call me scum when I spout off conspiracy theories thrawn, like I said many times, just had his activity trail off into uselessness near the end. Also, his about-face of his read on me was fishy and not at all what I would expect from a player who WATCHED ME PLAY SCUM IN GoT, and has played with me many times in the past. I'm actually confirmed town when I do stuff like accuse people who have a near zero chance of being scum. it's what I do. | ||
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it's mind-boggling that it gets to the last 12 hours of D5 until you guys stop and think about this. Maybe I was being a dick earlier today, but really, you guys deserved it. and it helped me catch the real mafia between Sn0/Onegu. | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: No you did not explain your read on Sno. Hapa asked you about it in two posts after you had "explained it". Why would i as mafia save Oats from being lynched over two lurkers when all of them are town? FT and Slam were lynchbaits this game, i could have just said "you are all fucking stupid, don't lynch Oats, lynch X" instead of claiming Mason with him (something that ensures he will not get lynched). No you didn't. You gave a read on someone, i questioned i, you said "lololol, okay X is not scum, Y is." I questioned it, you said "lololol, maybe Z is". how hard is it to understand that I reread the fucking game with a fresh outlook and began to realize that Sn0's involvement in the game has been high when he was in the thread? I explained this. You guys didn't read. I don't give a fuck about it anymore. the play is not that important. I don't read into it because it doesn't make sense as EITHER alignment, really. You should take your own reads with a grain of salt and realize that you damn well could have been wrong there and moved the lynch off scum. No, I gave my reads, which were Hapa/Thrawn, then Thrawn/X, and then Sn0 (because of his lynch-Onegu thing), and now Onegu. you wrote them off and called me scum. You can't say I didn't do stuff when I clearly did. That's called being bad. | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: But you know this role stuff maybe best in this game. Hapa was CONFIRMED town unless he was scum doctor after debears' flip.. thrawn had, yes. So did you. Is a scumdoc completely out of the question in a closed theme game of this nature? My confirmation-biased mind thought not. | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'll be honest with you here. I would have expected a lot more from you in this game if you were town. The things that bother me: 1) You analyzed the voteing patterns. What did you do on D1. Let's look at it; You talk only about marv/Hapa. Then your vote goes onto FT with reasoning "Heads/Tails?". How does ANYONE look worse than you by your own analyses? How can you call anyone scum by their D1 behaviour when you yourself don't take part in any relevant discussion, if you think HApa/marv discussion is relevant, why not push their lynches then? D2; You vote for Hapa. At that time i found the vote reasonable. However, that's all you do. You didn't give a shit about anything, when it's clear Hapa is not gonna get lynched you don't say anything about the current candidates or contribute to the lynch. 3) From there onwards you call the two confirmed townies scum. You call the confirmed scum who the confirmed townies nailed as scum "not sure to be scum". You should know better than this. 4) After that you call all of Thrawn/Sno/Onegu scum, whenever i ask relevant questions about your top scum read you change the candidate (as i pointed out earlier). 5) You leave your vote on marv, the you say "im not auto-lynching Sylencia on D4 (lol)", then you fuck off for 5 days.. Does town!yamato do stuff like this? Yesterday I read 5 games of yours. 2 scum games where you were not killed on D1/D2 and 3 town games where you were alive D3 ->. I don't see similitaries in your town games. I see similitaries in your scumgames. Most of this can be explained by the fact that I commit less time to this game than I used to. | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:33 Sn0_Man wrote: You are such a victim yam. Lets look at your reads, starting with this: 12 Hours later, when slam flips town and Hapa has a proven doc claim: "Oops looks like I had 3 townies I wanted to lynch. My bad" 3 days later the best he's come up with is This is after *voting* for rayn D3 quite seriously for a period of time. "Oops 2 more townies on my hit list, still no scum". Dis guy can't possibly be town. Onegu filter is quite contrastable since he's been interested in lynching scum pretty much as long as anybody else has. you're bad stop being bad being good is called critically thinking | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:34 yamato77 wrote: you're bad stop being bad being good is called critically thinking to put it simply wrong =/= scum right =/= town baddie | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:33 Onegu wrote: First off it makes alot of sense, when I am not sure about sn0 100% and think you can flip mafia also, I bring up my points for sn0 being scum, rayn then counters them. I ask him questions he gives his strong reads. At that point rayn isnt switching, sn0 isnt voteing for himself and yamato has selfvoted and said he doesnt care, this gives him a good enough chance to flip scum that I am comfortable putting my vote on him and let the game end, at that point yamato wasnt doing anything. Second if it is going to be yamato giving up and rayn not moveing his vote why not move the deadline up. so if it is how you say it is (which is questionable, because that's not really what it looks like), then what do you think now? | ||
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On September 05 2013 23:47 Onegu wrote: Yeah Syl is most likely scum, I have thought he was scummy since day one, also lynching him has zero downside if his claim is true we still dont lose the game, if he is scum fake claiming scum dies its a no lose situation. ##VOTE SYLENCIA you didn't vote syl until after his claim, so you get zero townie points for bussing your scummate | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:40 Onegu wrote: Again you did give up, I quoted you where you said you give up. You even selfvoted at the time. it was a ploy to see who would FEEL THE NEED to continue to justify voting for someone who (on the surface) didn't care about dying. Rayn and Sn0 did that, you just left your vote and peaced. | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:45 Onegu wrote: Ok you are correct it was after his claim. But you think I have been bussing him since day 1 then? My case on him almost got him lynched day one, if it wasnt for marv and sn0 changeing the wagon when he was set to be lynched we wouldnt be haveing this conversation. Also syl voted me day 1 so you think we were hard bussing each other since day 1? It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility. Your "case on D1" is also minus a vote, because your vote went on FT. It smells like a bus. | ||
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You could be ABSOLUTELY SURE who is mafia based on who gets shot tonight. | ||
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On September 12 2013 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sh.. do not talk about no-lynching. I wanna hear Onegu now. i have a limited amount of time i need sleeeeeeeeep | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: How much can you hang on? maybe an hour | ||
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##vote: no-lynch Now, Rayn, this puts you in control of where this goes. If you think Onegu is mafia, you should vote no-lynch with me and we'll roll the dice. If you leave your vote on Onegu, I will get lynched, so you shouldn't do that. If you reconsider your read on Sn0 and think he's mafia, you can lynch him instead, but it's more risky than no-lynching. Why I do this is because I'm actually not as confident now. While Onegu LOOKS bad, he almost always does look bad, even as town, no? Then I look at Sn0, and I think, "am I really that confident that him unwavering in his stance of lynching me makes him town?" Because, as scum, he has had no reason to change his vote since he placed it today, so why would he? | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: The one of you Sno/Onegu who is town vote for no-lynch. we secured a no-lynch, actually, with that vote | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: No we did not if you are scum yamato. I thought we were past that :[ | ||
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if you are town, you're literally the worst player in this game atm | ||
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I think you've played with him more than I have. | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:27 Sn0_Man wrote: I've considered a no lynch and I think it's unlikely to benefit town for reasons I'd rather not explain to scum lest they not see it. if I'm supposedly mafia and already voting for the no lynch that I proposed at the start of the day (earlier?), don't you think it's a little late for that? Because this sounds like bullshit. | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why did you btw propose a no-lynch that early? Because, like I said, in a 4-man MYLO, you no-lynch to make scum shoot one of the townies. The final NK heading into LYLO is INVALUABLE. | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah yeah. but did you read what i wrote? Had we no-lynched at the day start there would be absolutely no discussion all phase. Not necessarily true. I will admit, I've liked what has happened this phase so far. I feel like we're close to solving this. | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:40 Sn0_Man wrote: I don't have a dumbass fake claim. Yam is scum, its really clear. However, if we have to no-lynch, I can do that. The only problem is that there are literally 2 possible scenarios that come from a no-lynch, and neither help town. I'll explain them since you guys want to help scum so bad. Scenario 1: Scum shoots rayn, who lives but loses his vet powers henceforth. We have another day phase where nothing was achieved. Still 4 alive (DERP). If we continue no-lynching scum shoots you again and then I get mislynched for the loss. Scenario 2: Scum shoots me, rayn literally decides between yam and Onegu (and right now it looks like u get it wrong). How are either of those better? Sn0, explain in great detail why you think Onegu is 100% town so much that you won't even consider him as possible mafia, please. | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:46 Sn0_Man wrote: Tell u what, how would onegu being mafia change my logic on the no-lynch? We still have 2 confirmed townies how the hell does getting one of them NK'd help our chances of lynching scum? In response to your question, I can see onegu being mafia, but only if you aren't which isn't the case. I've read the game and you've played for scum victory the whole game. @rayn ur not making sense again 2 confirmed townies? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL the balls, this one has them | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really do think Snoman is scum. I do too he's going all-in on me, and it's failing miserably | ||
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##Vote Sn0_Man town gets to MYLO and then lynches all three scum in a row greatest comeback ever. | ||
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On September 12 2013 01:55 Sn0_Man wrote: Why the hell would I all in on yam when I could literally lurk this day away without any chance of getting lynched lol. because you wanted to WIN TODAY just like you wanted to WIN on D3 while voting for Onegu! lololol | ||
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whatever going to bed ##YOLO | ||
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On September 12 2013 02:38 Sn0_Man wrote: He prolly fucked off because he's sick of the shitty state this thread is in. Its all quite clearly yam's fault. Did you read my spoiler? Look at the shit yam did. He literally flopped from "Onegu Obvscum" to "LOL VOTE SNO" in 90 minutes AT MYLO WITHOUT ANY RETRACTION ON ONEGU. He doesn't give a shit who he lynches, he isn't trying to figure shit out, he's just doing everything in his power to drive ANY LYNCH NOT HIM because if he does he wins. LOOK AT THAT SHIT. What townie in the history of the world is willing to do that at MYLO wihtout explanation? Townies have uncertainties. Townies do their best and are worried about what happens if they mislynch. Townies play like fucking onegu is even though its terrible. Scum don't need to bother with "uncertainty" or worrying about "well if we mislynch we lose so lets verify this shit" they just say "LOL DIS GUY SCUM LYNCH NAO". Without reasons. And they can do it to whoever the fuck they want (A RECURRING THEME WITH YAM). Funny enough, you're the one without "uncertainty" here, pal. Totally not worried about sleeping now, BTW, thanks for making it easy. | ||
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Rayn, I'm never playing with you again. | ||
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Or there is a second 3P? | ||
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Sonofabitch | ||
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I blame you for this | ||
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Whatever, can't win them all. | ||
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I knew something was off with you >_> | ||
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On September 12 2013 21:51 Clarity_nl wrote: I was actually very curious about the "I'm just looking at hapa and marv today" approach. People jumped on it as terrible straight away but I thought it had some merit to it. Of course it did. If I accurately figure out those two every game, it's likely that we win the game. | ||
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On September 12 2013 21:54 Clarity_nl wrote: I think the problem is you'll never figure marv out d1, let alone convince people to lynch him. The problem this game is that I assumed Hapa + Marv to be the same alignment. | ||
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On September 12 2013 22:35 iamperfection wrote: I'm disappointed. You guys had a very good chance to give marv another scum loss and you failed. I blame Hapa. | ||
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you are as much at fault for this loss as either of Rayn or I. | ||
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A no lynch was absolutely optimal play, no contest. Making scum shoot another townie and using the extra time to re analyze the game is invaluable for town. Mafia is always racing to end the game, and town should always play to extend it whenever possible. In this case, losing Rayn after another 2 days of deliberation wouldn't have been greatly informative, but it might have given me enough time to convince Sn0 of the real mafia. Even if we don't no-lynch, based on the last day, I should have been able to deduce that Sn0 was town. Why? His vote never left me. Why would a mafia player in this mylo restrict himself to one mislynch when there is only one confirmed town out of four players? Sn0's stubborn insistence that I was mafia should have confirmed him town given that Onegu flip flopped so hard. It was massive oversight and horribly reactive play by me to think that his play made him mafia. It's possible that a mafia player would play like that, but it's unlikely given how the votes switched around multiple times. All in all, I lost this game because of a general fault in my play to react badly to people that call me mafia incessantly, not because it wasn't possible to tell that Sn0 was actually town. I had the right answer for the right reason at mylo and then ignored it for a terribly emotional play that cost me a win. | ||
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