Desert Mini Mafia

On August 28 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote:
Kinda tempted to play although I'd undoubtedly be terrible

On August 29 2013 11:39 sciberbia wrote:

If I were to offer you 1 million dollars if you could correctly identify 1 scum, who would your guess be and why?

On August 30 2013 01:09 Tutankoopa wrote:
Why are we ignoring each other debears?

On August 30 2013 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears first you say i have made the thread hard to read and that is scum motivated, then you say you agree on town read on me. Elaborate please? Also how am i making the thread hard to read?

On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
[b]I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.

First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.

What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.

Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.

If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later.

On August 29 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote:

The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me.

Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow.

I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation.

On August 29 2013 11:31 sciberbia wrote:
First, just so it's clear to the thread, I'm like 95% sure that rayn is town (or at least not scum), because

• Drawn a lot of attention to himself
  
• Seems very genuine in his defense of sn0_man, his fixation on TK, and his back-and-forth with me
  
• Posts very similarly to Ego Mini where we were both town.
  

I explained most of my thought process here:
+ Show Spoiler [me] +

His most recent posts look fine to me. At least he posted some actual reads. I'm open to persuasion but right now I don't see any good reason to think he is scum. I'm leaning town if anything.

On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Tutankoopa:
- I can't see any direction in his play
- When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times.
- He has apparently no reads at all.

Sylencia:
- Him landing on reading Sno is weird. He says he went into Sno's filter by reading Hopeless' filter and the post where Hopeless calls sno out for "appearing that he is reading". That post of Hopeless is bullshit (because it's the second post in the game he refers to - Sno appears to be reading the game by reading the OP? wtf?). However when Sylencia reaches Sno's filter he points out something else that implies Sno is not reading but appearing to be reading. I find that whole scene fishy.

Hopeless:
- Calling out Sno at the start of the game (read my Sylencia read) for bullshit reasons.
- Seemingly not understanding Tutankoopa's first post and the follow up of his after that. Really, it's quite obvious.
- Still arguing about that, and that's pretty much the only thing he has done besides the Sno thingy.

On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy.

On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them.

First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.

What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note.

Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.

If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later.

On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:


So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?

On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego.

On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:


OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.

I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game.

You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses.

But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious).

On August 30 2013 02:24 Onegu wrote:
EBWOP

I agree it is very important to figure out thier alignments asap as they are the most important to the game as either alignment.

On August 30 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:


I don't think so. My thought process on him is the following:
He noticed my posting at the start of this game was quite similar than in Ego. We were both town in that game. I was actually "shitposting" there as i had no time to play that game in the beginning. He thought i would follow up like i did in Ego, therefore he told people to ignore me. When i askd him "why shut me down" he realized i am not going to play like i did in Ego, and clarified his statement that if i am gonna shitpost, i should be ignored. If not, i should be listened. That post of mine directed to him was actually contentful and he realized he was wrong on me, and retracted from his argument.

As i said before he could be doing that as scum aswell, but i do not think it makes him scum because i can see why he did what he did from town pov.


I don't understand your first post about Sno in any way. How does reading the OP = "trying to look like you are reading the thread"?

On August 29 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote:

The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me.

Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow.

I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation.

On August 30 2013 03:06 sciberbia wrote:
@rayn
fine I'll respond to debears after I get through more important stuff like re-reading the posts since last night and figuring out who we should lynch today.

On August 30 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears you are right about what you said.

Also i have a question to you:
Have you actually read the whole thread? I mean, sciberbia's attitude towards me and Onegu's town-meta have been topics of discussion before and they have been explained. Why have you missed them if you have read the thread before you started posting?

On August 30 2013 03:18 sciberbia wrote:


(1) Because since I've woken up and read the thread I've been having to respond to dumb posts from you and yamato.
(2) Because rayn is playing very townie and I'm good at reading people.
(3) It was the fucking third post of the game for god's sake. In the second post of the game, Sn0 speculates on two scumteams and that's ok, but when I point out in the third post that there might be a third party it makes me scum? Sheesh.

Yes i can tear apart your post in full within 7 hours. Gotta find some mafia first. See (1)

On August 30 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Oats?

On August 30 2013 03:50 sciberbia wrote:


This is literally just getting ridiculous.

1) How much scumhunting do you expect me to do in the first 6 hours of the game? You're being completely unreasonable. Before i went to bed, i stated my top 3 scumreads and gave reasons why. I also stated my opinions on TK's and rayn's alignments -- again with reasons why. I literally commented on everything that I found interesting in the first 6 hours, and then I went to bed. What the fuck do you want me to do? Make up some bullshit case about some dumb post on the first page and tunnel someone into the ground? Sorry to let you down but I just couldn't find any great scumtells in the first 4 pages. Didn't realize that's a crime.

2) So 85% is acceptable but 95% is ludicrous? I was not aware that there is some line in the sand that I'm not allowed to cross. Idk your obsession with this just seems like the dumbest thing ever to me.

3) THE SECOND POST ON IT WAS BECAUSE RAYN SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN THE FIRST POST ON IT. my god. I can only assume you weren't even reading rayn's post. Do you see me bringing up third party speculation all over the thread? No -- I really don't give a fuck. I made a passing comment as the second post of the game and then rayn asked me why I posted that which obviously then led to me mentioning it again.

On August 30 2013 04:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Couple of things from the night:

@ Debears

That sciberia case is an absolute trainwreck.


Of the three, the first is the only one that could be allignment indicative. And even then, saying that "someone hasn't scumhunted" is the most confirmation-biased possible read there is.

In fact, you do point out "his posts on you" in your case on him. It seems like he has scum-hunted, but you aren't happy with his analysis as opposed to objectively considering his contributions.
+ Show Spoiler +

On August 30 2013 02:53 sciberbia wrote:
I have concluded that debears's post is not really worth responding to.

One thing I will say is that I was willing to respond to rayn's posts because I think he is most likely town, and he started actually playing the game and making reasonable points.

On the other hand, I think debears is quite possibly scum and I think everything he's posted about me is rubbish so unless somebody else wants something clarified I'm not responding to his stuff anymore.

On August 30 2013 05:00 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hi There, apahauli

On August 30 2013 05:19 Hapahauli wrote:


Town

On August 30 2013 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:


Do you not read what I post? The 180 he did is so absurdly attention-grabby, and makes incredibly very little sense as scum. As scum, you want to vote someone and justify it to look "clean." Rayn certainly can spam a thread to hell as either allignment, but going in, voting someone, then 180'ing on it right away on such strong terms is incredibly attention-grabby and not something I'd think a scum would go into a thread and plan.

On August 30 2013 05:30 Hapahauli wrote:


Numbers are stupid... as if you can "quantify" someone's alignment. But yes, I have a fairly strong town-read on Rayn. Is that relevant in some way?

On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote:

Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo.

On August 30 2013 06:52 Hapahauli wrote:
Hell can anyone comment on my Syl case above? I'm starting to agree with myself more and more :3

On August 30 2013 07:41 Hapahauli wrote:


xD

I have scum-reads on both Syl and Hopeless at this point. The problem is that they're not talking enough >>

On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him.

On August 30 2013 07:04 Hopeless1der wrote:

Painting my room =\
K question for TK then. Why did you say only one of Yamato/me would be scum?

Surely you have more than they're weird/shitting on the thread? More recent scumreads perhaps?
You never actually stated your own preference when asking Hapa about debears:

What are your thoughts on debears atm?
Also, sorry I'm not as forthcoming with my own thoughts at the moment save for my tunnel. I'll reread in a couple hours and go from there.

On August 30 2013 19:46 Sylencia wrote:


In regards to the players whom I've played with before, nothing really sticks out as being out of the ordinary from when they've been town. The only thing I'm concerned about going into D1 lynch is that we've spread ourselves thin on lynch targets for the day. It's fine that we're suspecting each other but if everyone suspects someone else then we're not going to be able to coordinate a proper lynch and scum can manipulate us rather easily. I doubt this would ever pass but considering we have 5 people with votes on them at the moment - would it be wrong to suggest that we stick to the 5 listed and consolidate on them instead?

Note: This doesn't mean that we completely ignore the rest of the town, but considering there's only about 12 hours left in the day, those cases can be put forward N1 onwards. This will also help us prevent unwanted last minute bandwagons on someone completely irrelevant and we remain focused on the main suspects.

Pretty sure I went off topic there, but it's something I was considering before.



What are you interested in?

On August 30 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can someone look at what i asked Tutan about his question to Hopeless?
I did not understand anything he said and how that was relevant to my question.

Am i just being stupid and not able to understand what people say?

On August 30 2013 22:07 marvellosity wrote:


Do it please.

FT isn't a terrible lynch in that we're not losing anything by killing him and he might well be mafia, but it's terribly, terribly coinflippy.

On August 30 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote:


What part of terribly terribly coinflippy did you take to mean I thought he was a good lynch for today?

On August 30 2013 23:42 Tutankoopa wrote:
Yeah, sno's town.

On August 30 2013 23:50 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote: FirmTofu

Heads or Tails?

On August 31 2013 00:12 Tutankoopa wrote:
Dbear

I think we have a decent amount of time left in Day 1.

On August 30 2013 23:59 marvellosity wrote:
in short, can yamato be lazy as town? yes. is it likely he's being lazy mafia? not after the big ting-tong last night.

On August 31 2013 00:25 Tutankoopa wrote:
If there's someone you think is scum you should pursue it. I'm sure you can get hooked up with some town-cred if you have a compelling argument. If it's a highly improbable lynch candidate... whatever, I guess.

On August 31 2013 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
totally fine with an alak lynch, complaining about the post count and stuff to read and has no idea where to find scum and is relying on town to give him targets.

On August 29 2013 09:40 Hopeless1der wrote:


Demonstrates I'm "actively reading", albeit it's flavor text. Also a moderate amount of paranoia to look like I'm scared of all the things. Furthermore, errant setup speculation is definitely something mafia wants to do to look like they're contributing. As an OP, its a null post. If he were to make that type of post tomorrow, I'd call him scum on the spot.

On August 31 2013 04:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Man I gotta look at Syl again o.O

On August 31 2013 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
actually i am all in for voting marv. He is scum aswell.

On August 31 2013 06:25 yamato77 wrote:

Not sold on the Oats thing.

As I said before, Syl is the next best lynch. That didn't change much with him voting Onegu.

I'd say Alakaspam and Onegu are tied for last. All the replacement has done is complain about how long the game is. If he can read Aperture, he can read this game and give reads. Otherwise he scum.

Onegu maybe scum, but he's kinda lynchbait.

On August 30 2013 17:22 Sylencia wrote:
Also, reading debears - following his drunk posts, his scum hunting since has been pretty high quality compared to whatever else has been going on. I'm just sad that his vote's currently on me.

On August 30 2013 17:22 Tutankoopa wrote:
Syl I think there are things more deserving of your attention than what you chose to post about. What are your thoughts regarding thread sentiment, and has anything stuck out at you from any of the major discussions?

On August 30 2013 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am far interested in Sylencia's last post than Onegu.

On August 31 2013 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato and debears why are you refusing to look / comment on my posts on TK?

On August 31 2013 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is not a fucking single thig TK says that makes sense. He is not involved in scumhunting. He is making up bullshit on defending himself. He has done absolutely nothing to help us finding scum in this game. Period.

If you are too dumb too see why a guy is scum fair. Let's kill Sylencia then?
##Unvote:
##Vote: Sylencia

Fuck you all when TK turns up scum. Seriously. Fuck you.. All..

On August 31 2013 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
bah you can't. because you are gonna call me dumb again and ignore me because i am spamming. i am gonna kill them by myself.

On August 31 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:


Hapa, can you elaborate on this? Is what Syl did with Onegu really out of character? His lynch makes me squirmy right now.

On August 31 2013 06:45 marvellosity wrote:


I basically have no idea why we're not lynching one of Firm and Slam. Lurky players who when they post are posting tripe. Lynching someone posting more than usual seems really stupid to me.

On August 31 2013 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

As i said i am not dumb. I am sure TK is scum. Not 100% sure of marv. Nobody listens to me. I call wtf.. :D

On August 31 2013 07:24 Alakaslam wrote:
I am very hard to understand, even when I want to be understood.

Haven't read anything from before because work and when I starte all I found was me being confused and new and like a slightly more skilled version of my start.

At least since I'm vanilla I want to be understood.

On August 31 2013 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
I really want to last-minute bandwagon Oats.

He responds to whenever he's poked, but where is he right now? I don't remember the last time I could remotely accuse Oats of blending in as town.

On August 31 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am confirming Oats as town!
Now lynch Tutankoopa plz.

On August 31 2013 07:48 Hapahauli wrote:
It's probably a fake claim now that I think of it >>

On August 31 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How do i get them from skype?

On August 31 2013 07:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Of course i do not as we are confirmed town...
Why the fuck should i breadcrumb?
HOW THE FUCK I GET LOGS IN SKYPE? really? wtf?

On August 31 2013 11:24 Tutankoopa wrote:
Debears I'd like to know your comprehensive thoughts on Onegu. If the Marv read still tickles your fancy then I want to know about that as well.

It's night time so obviously there's no rush to force anything if you are ill-prepared... just whenever you get around to it.

On August 31 2013 19:20 Onegu wrote:


Rayn I have played in more games with FT than with anyone else. Titanic was one of the few in which I hadnt played with him. I have seen his town play, I have seen his lurky town play this wasnt either of those things. Ill pull the post where I give my own meta analysis instead of just going off of what you told me to read.



Plus he needed to die and there was a good chance he would flip scum. he did nothing after he came back except throw his vote on someone for no reason and ask a meta question, thats not pro town play.

On September 01 2013 07:01 marvellosity wrote:
i have too much green in my list, probably at least one person i'm town on isn't

On August 31 2013 21:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
ANYWAY IM NOT CALLING YOU SCUM OR SAYING YOU DID IT ANYMORE SO DROP IN RAYN.


Syl probably town, he has decent insight and loosk like he is trying to solve the game.

On September 01 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote:
Or smoking too much of it?

On August 31 2013 06:10 Oatsmaster wrote:

under no pressure, doesnt post. comes in, pokes a bit which shows he has time, AND DOESNT DO SHIT.
Random vote on a dude that is currently at the top if im not mistaken with no explanation or anything. FT is not a lurker, FT is not posting anything helpful. Like he doesnt want to find scum, he just doesnt really care because a town lynch looks like its happening, TK/hopeless maybe.

On August 31 2013 09:14 Oatsmaster wrote:

I agreed with the dudes arguments and now I think Tuten is town and therefore hopeless push is bad.
I think I summurized it earlier. Also he looks like he is trying, but the effort is all around Tuten which is pretty easy for scum to do IMO. I think town hopeless wouldve detunneled.

On September 01 2013 07:06 marvellosity wrote:
Oats was almost certainly in bed, dibbers.

On September 01 2013 07:19 Hapahauli wrote:


Yeah that's GSL III Mini Mafia

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376602&currentpage=37#724

It's an absurdly situational case though.

On September 01 2013 07:22 marvellosity wrote:


my memory stands corrected, i was just going off his usual sleeping hours :/

On September 01 2013 07:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i actually think you are scum marv.

On September 01 2013 07:37 Hapahauli wrote:
In regards to that GSL III case debears, I'm pretty sure none of it applies to marv here, or atleast the more robust points. Marv's emotions tend to be getting the best of him this game, which is a pretty big town tell for him.

On September 01 2013 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i got shot.

On August 30 2013 00:25 debears wrote:
For old times sake!

Eeveryone be confident.

Be back with analyses

On September 01 2013 08:06 debears wrote:
Btw I'm proud to be an american, where at least I know I'm free!
And I won't forget the men who died who gave that life to me.

On September 01 2013 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also scum have no roleblocker. Period. :D

On September 01 2013 08:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears why do we have a vig?

On September 01 2013 08:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

shut up. debears is scum.

On September 01 2013 08:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHY DO WE HAVE A VIG OR SK?

On September 01 2013 08:32 debears wrote:


mafia have fixed 1 kp.

I was shot. You claim to be shot.

Would have to be a vig (or sk) -----edit for the 2nd shot if it happened

And two veterans. Unlikely imo

On September 01 2013 08:38 marvellosity wrote:
I'm LALing any future games.

On September 01 2013 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I give you fucking 3min to explain why there is a vig or SK in this game debears.
After that, you die.

On September 01 2013 08:40 marvellosity wrote:


yeah, i wanted to go to bed half an hour ago :/

might have to leave thinking about this until tomorrow tbh

On September 01 2013 15:12 sciberbia wrote:
Few more questions for you Oats.

---

This bothers me everytime I read your filter. I just don't understand the town motivation behind peppering one of your townreads (rayn) with questions and criticisms and asking marv if he wants to lynch said townread.
+ Show Spoiler [Oats] +

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Can you explain in more detail how TK went from strong scum read to strong town read over the course of 24 hours? Since your return to the thread yesterday, you have acted as though TK is hella town, but I really don't see why you would think that, especially considering you had a strong scumread on him at the start of the game.

+ Show Spoiler [TK is scum] +

+ Show Spoiler [TK is the towniest thing under the sun] +

Like I just find this really fishy and don't know what you could have possibly seen from TK to make you backflip so hard. I think you were just being lazy scum and remembered marv 'insisting he was totally town' from earlier in the day, and decided to say you changed your mind and that marv was right.

And while I'm on the subject, wtf is the point of saying this


if tutan is obv town to you and rayn is also obv town from your POV (unless you think he fakeclaimed mason as scum to stop you from getting mislynched). I just see no town motivation at all for asking such a question to one of your strongest town reads about one of your other strongest town reads.

---

Finally, you said this


I don't understand why you're so surprised. What do you feel you have done this game that makes you so clearly town or a bad lynch option? What have you done or said this game that you would not have done if you were scum?

On September 01 2013 22:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is there no Hapa in your reads yamato?

Also one thing that especially bothers me is why would debears be shot over Hapa/marv in case even one of them is town? Him being shot AND roleblocked by mafia makes sense how? Who would doc debears over marv/Hapa on N1?

##Unvote:

Like, i think there is a possibility of 2 vets in the game. But what does this mean?

On September 02 2013 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For the record. I never breadcrumb. Ever. I think it's useless.

On September 02 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

They do not have to waste a shot. If they happen to shoot the person a doctor is protecting, then they can claim vet.

On September 02 2013 05:58 marvellosity wrote:


dibbers, how often have you played with Oats?

Why is Slam townie to you?

On September 02 2013 06:06 sciberbia wrote:

As a point of clarification, the OP states that only passively protected roles receive a notification. So a townie could be saved by a doc and not be any the wiser.

Also to re-iterate hapa's question from earlier, out of curiosity, were either of your roles dependent on the water level in some way?

@marv
Do you agree or disagree with what hapa just wrote about Oats and why? Judging from your earlier post you seem to disagree?

On September 02 2013 06:08 marvellosity wrote:


More the lack of attention you've given him today I guess.

I asked about Oats, kinda because of what Hapa alluded to just up there. Because the thing is, scib's case is good, traditionally good, but it's Oats. If you don't know what I mean by that it's hard to explain :/

On September 02 2013 06:25 marvellosity wrote:
The problem for me is that slam DOES post, and it's always a nothing post. And those damn repeated VT claims. Do you not find it exceedingly odd how he keeps repeating it?

Probably the biggest difference between them is i have playing experience with oats, not with slam :/

On September 03 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:


And yet bad enough to miss his crumb that had an underline and a double e in the same sentence?

You are Shabouh, High Priest of Ahura Madhzo the River God!
Your god demands the waters to flow, neither a dry riverbed or a vast lake will please him. Balance is the essence of Water, after all. So you've taken it onto yourself to shape the lands to His will.

Your faith works as your shield, so you are able to survive 1 KP once in the game.

As a bystander to the petty squabble for undesireable extremes, your death does not move the water level in any way, neither if you die during the night nor if you get lynched.
Additionally, if you feel the situation tipping too far towards one side, you will be able to perform Ahura Madhzo's most sacred ritual, Blood Sacrifice: Flood/Drought.
Performing it will deal 1 KP of damage to yourself (can be survived if BP is up) to change the point total by 100 in the opposing direction.You can only do this if the point total is below 250 or above 750, and only once in the game.

Marv's Lack of Suspicion

First let's take a look a town marv. Town marv is a very naturally suspicious person - he's someone who jumps on people for bad logic, and his natural inclination is to see scummy behavior in said bad logic

That's 5 town reads in a game of 9 players - completely opposite of town marv. This is not "naturally-suspicious" marv - this is a completely different character.

On September 04 2013 08:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Soooo... why isn't yamato dead?

On September 04 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can't possibly have docced yamato as you climed doc on debears and yamato did not die. Explain.

On September 04 2013 07:58 Hapahauli wrote:
Since we're approaching LYLO, claiming seems like the best option. A mass-claim is probably a good idea right now.

I'm the Conditional Doctor. I can only use my power when the "water level" is over 750, and a successful save reduces the water level by 50.

No breadcrumbs, nor do I ever use them as town.

Saving debears, and hopefully a successful save and a drop in water-level will vindicate my claim to those suspicious of me.

Wish me luck!