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On August 28 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote: Kinda tempted to play although I'd undoubtedly be terrible Believe in yourself marv | ||
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Btw, rolecall on Mr. Cheesecake. Where that dude be? | ||
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his game reminds me of his scum game. I see a divide btw him and rayn. I definitely dony see both as scum. this smurf tonka stuff seems to be overreaction, but ill let if go yo see who it truly be. Ill look over scribs posts better later tonight when not drunk <3 hopeless | ||
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Vote scribs guise | ||
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On August 29 2013 11:39 sciberbia wrote: If I were to offer you 1 million dollars if you could correctly identify 1 scum, who would your guess be and why? Could I not say the same to you? | ||
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Eeveryone be confident. Be back with analyses | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 16:21 sciberbia wrote: In order to make any sort of meta read, you would have to show something this game that is similar to my scum games but different from my town games, which I am quite sure you cannot do. For one thing you've never even seen me play town. Can you point to any good reason for thinking rayn is scum? Do you disagree with my reasons for thinking he's town? There's like a 75% chance he's town just on math, so given that I have several good reasons to think he's town I think 95% is reasonable. -- Does it look to you like I avoided early conflict with rayn this game? -- I didn't even explain how I thought he was town until he unvoted me. I don't think you thought this through very well. Of course you can ask me who I think is mafia. I'm a little disappointed because there isn't much to go on yet, but my best guesses at mafia would be sn0_man, yourself, and yamato, in that order. 1) sn0_man for being in the thread for hours without doing anything relevant at all. And making some weird comment about being content with his vote on me, but then unvoting me for no reason. 2) Yourself for making some imo poor scumhunting attempts -- see above. Not sure how much of that is due to alchohol and how much due to your alignment though. 3) And yamato for being in the thread but avoiding engaging in discussion. Also I don't understand why marv is his strongest scumread for being useless when there is a whole handful of players who are as of yet equally useless. I'd appreciate it if sylencia/tofu/yamato/anyone would chime in with agree/disagree on these three. 1) Asking for a meta read this early is dumb. You and I both know that. That's a feel read. 2) You sound so confident that raynp is town. 95% is reserved for those who actually do something with their posts. Raynp has made this thread very hard to read (which does have scum motivation). While I wouldn't lynch him today based on his activity, I'm not gonna say he's 95% town. And I don't see how you, as town, would come to that %. 3) While I didn't explain this point well, I will in the future post on you. (Damn alcohol) 4) My point with the "could i say the same to you" was that you hadn't actually pinned down a scum, or even had a scum read at that point ( I saw a null read on TK. then a town read on raynp if i remember correctly), yet you are so eager to ask yamato for his. Kinda hippocritical, no>? Frankly, while I agree with your reads somewhat on Sn0, yamato, and raynp, those are not "hard reads" by any stretch of the imagination. And some of your posts indicate scum mindset, while your actual contributions haven't been committal | ||
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On August 30 2013 01:09 Tutankoopa wrote: Why are we ignoring each other debears? Give me time baby. I'm trying to catch up | ||
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On August 30 2013 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears first you say i have made the thread hard to read and that is scum motivated, then you say you agree on town read on me. Elaborate please? Also how am i making the thread hard to read? I have a town read on you because of 1) your activity and involvement with the thread 2) how you keep on going on people. But, there is some scum motivation that I see in that. I literally have a headache from reading all these posts that keep jumping around. You are the number 1 responsible person for that. The first two points give me a more town read than scum read on you, and I will not push for your lynch today at all unless something drastic points to you. No one, at all, should have a 95% town read on you at this point as town. | ||
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can you organize your top 3 scumreads for me and give elaborate reasoning on them while I do mine? | ||
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On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote: [/b][b]I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them. First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours. What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note. Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town. If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. If I was a vig yamato.........don't go down this path | ||
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1) He speculates in a mafia oriented mindset 2) He makes posts to look like contributing without doing so 3) His interaction with raynp 4) Not actually scumhunting while asking others to do so. Speculation His early game posts were alarming for me. There are some mafia motivations in his posts, which are kinda worrisome. Here, he makes a speculation post. This shit happens all the time, but one thing really jumped out: his mention of a third party role. In my experience, mafia tend to think of whether there are third parties in the game because they are a decent sized threat to mafia. As town, third parties are almost always aligned with the town, trying to find mafia, until one mafia is killed. Here's another mention of third party + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 10:44 sciberbia wrote: It was to shut down speculation on 2 scum teams because I don't think that's very likely. It was also to bring to everyone's attention the strong possibility of one or more third parties. >_> yea I'll be around but I really don't feel like discussing any of this start-of-game stuff any longer so I hope you plan on changing the topic. Contributing while not This next post is another one that typically happens in games. The "let's get this organized guys!" post. It can be done by town really wanting to have it organized, but early d1 is typically a shitfest anyways. Mafia do it to post something. Alone, doesn't mean much. With the aforementioned post, a little worrying to me. His early game contributions were lacking for a town player. Ok, now for something that really jumped out at me. Early in the game, Scribs says "ignore raynp". On August 29 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote: The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me. Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow. I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation. But, later what does he himself do? He gets into explaining himself thoroughly with raynp. + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 10:01 sciberbia wrote: But if I voted for one of my townreads then we'd be on the same page?  + Show Spoiler +this is a joke If you point me to something specific I'll try to clear it up for you. Generally speaking, my first two or three posts were mainly formalities to get discussion going, and my last two posts have been dedicated towards getting information on TK's thought process and sharing my thoughts on his alignment with the rest of the thread. On August 29 2013 10:15 sciberbia wrote: I apologize for offending you rayn. I was in a rather bad mood because
Due to my rather bad mood, I perhaps was harsher than was warranted, but the main point of my discourse was to try to steer the thread towards (imo) more productive discussion. On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote: OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content. I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious). Why in the hell would scribs be so interested in defending himself against someone who "he wants people to ignore" instead of scumhunting. Especially someone whom he was starting to think was town. Notice the timestamp in the above posts. Notice the one in the post below On August 29 2013 11:31 sciberbia wrote: First, just so it's clear to the thread, I'm like 95% sure that rayn is town (or at least not scum), because
I explained most of my thought process here: + Show Spoiler [me] + On August 29 2013 09:43 sciberbia wrote: on TK I'm having a hard time deciding whether TK's response was scum or town motivated. I can easily see scum motivation in trying to justify some wagon on rayn (assuming rayn is town), especially after sheeping onto yamato's policy wagon. However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor. I guess I'm back to nullish on TK. His most recent posts look fine to me. At least he posted some actual reads. I'm open to persuasion but right now I don't see any good reason to think he is scum. I'm leaning town if anything. Within an hour, he goes from explaining himself to a 95% townread, which tells me he thought raynp was town to some degree while defending himself If you, as town, think someone is not worth talking to, then defend yourself with consecutive posts against them later, what does that say about your psychological mindset? It says that you are worried about what that person thinks. Who in general is more worried about getting on the good side of others (when they say "ignore this person")? Mafia Scumhunters unite Finally, moving from that, what were Scribs scumhunting contributions up to that point? + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2013 09:11 sciberbia wrote: "/sheep oats" was not, but I did appreciate your follow-up explanation, and I agree that TK's thought process is difficult to follow from a town perspective. @Tutankoopa Please explain your thought process this game with regards to rayn's alignment. Specifically, why did you pose a series of questions to him, and why did you then deem those questions as unworthy of answering? Did you think he might be scum because of the 'stunt' he pulled with his initial vote? If so, what changed your mind? He dropped this one, although it was justified. On August 29 2013 11:31 sciberbia wrote: First, just so it's clear to the thread, I'm like 95% sure that rayn is town (or at least not scum), because
I explained most of my thought process here: + Show Spoiler [me] + On August 29 2013 09:43 sciberbia wrote: on TK I'm having a hard time deciding whether TK's response was scum or town motivated. I can easily see scum motivation in trying to justify some wagon on rayn (assuming rayn is town), especially after sheeping onto yamato's policy wagon. However, I very much like his response to my prodding. The fact that he deemed his questions to rayn a waste of time and decided to ignore rayn indicates a more townie thought process. Also the fact that he spontaneously changed direction over the course of three minutes is a point in his favor. I guess I'm back to nullish on TK. His most recent posts look fine to me. At least he posted some actual reads. I'm open to persuasion but right now I don't see any good reason to think he is scum. I'm leaning town if anything. A 95% town read day one against someone who is definitely not 95% town On August 29 2013 11:39 sciberbia wrote: If I were to offer you 1 million dollars if you could correctly identify 1 scum, who would your guess be and why? Asking someone else for scumreads despite not giving his own. Then the posts against me. So, in total, really nothing from scumhunting there. I believe Scribs is scum, and people need to look at his filter and see what I see. | ||
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On August 30 2013 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Tutankoopa: - I can't see any direction in his play - When i ask about his motives behind his actions he sums up what he did, not why he did (which is what i am asking). Multiple times. - He has apparently no reads at all. Sylencia: - Him landing on reading Sno is weird. He says he went into Sno's filter by reading Hopeless' filter and the post where Hopeless calls sno out for "appearing that he is reading". That post of Hopeless is bullshit (because it's the second post in the game he refers to - Sno appears to be reading the game by reading the OP? wtf?). However when Sylencia reaches Sno's filter he points out something else that implies Sno is not reading but appearing to be reading. I find that whole scene fishy. Hopeless: - Calling out Sno at the start of the game (read my Sylencia read) for bullshit reasons. - Seemingly not understanding Tutankoopa's first post and the follow up of his after that. Really, it's quite obvious. - Still arguing about that, and that's pretty much the only thing he has done besides the Sno thingy. . I love the sylencia read. I will do a short post on him in a minute on my take of him. Tut is a smurf. It happens. I'll go under the assumption he's someone good. I'd say give him another day because he could just be messing around. I don't see anything jumping out as "omg he's so scum". Hopeless always looks scummy to me (Mario Mini what what). The thing is he always seems to lurk, yet I consider him a decent player. I don't want to lynch him right now. | ||
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On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town? | ||
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On August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote: I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them. First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours. What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note. Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town. If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. It's the same approach I have every game with these two. Let them both live and figure each other out. When one gets killed, we then talk about the other with the new info | ||
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On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote: So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town? Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you" | ||
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