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I'm not liking the discussion about prior games, it really doesn't add anything to this one. I don't care that X player did Y in the game before because we've all played so few games that we won't have too many clear recognizable patterns to follow. I don't necessarily think its a scum-tell but I also don't think we should pursue it any further. | ||
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On September 04 2013 07:53 Holyflare wrote: that's dumb reasoning, a lynch day 1 is 75% likely to hit a townsperson compared to the 25% for scum. Especially considering within that 75% is likely to be 1 or 2 blue roles that would have to reveal and then subsequently be lost at night if they were the target to be lynched You get a lot more out of lynching than just the player dead, you also get loads of information on everybody and is one of the best ways to have the scum reveal themselves. Bandwagoning, Fence Sitting, Caving under pressure are some of the best ways to spot the scum and these are revealed when you lynch a player day 1. Since its plurality vote anyway, I'm going to be lynching somebody no matter what day 1, so now that the decision to lynch is taken out of your hands you better come up with some scum reads to not waste this day and reduce the chances of a mislynch. | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:00 Holyflare wrote: I entirely disagree with you, meta has helped me determine who is who in every game I have played, especially in the newbie games. I'm already doing something entirely different from my previous game just because I have a better handle on how its supposed to be played and not because I have a different role. Prove me wrong though, if you can come up with a convincing argument that makes sense you will draw my attention to whoever you think is scum. I'm not counting it out, I'm just a little bit skeptical of its effectiveness. | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:07 Holyflare wrote: You can still vote no-lynch in a plurality, besides, I have only been suggesting the no-lynch if nothing comes to obvious light. The fact that you people are so eager to let us lose a day of mislynching is funny though because I don't think any of your arguments make sense. If our strongest weapon is our connection theories and our votes, THEN WHY IS IT NOT BETTER TO GET 1 MORE DAY OF THESE THINGS?????? Wagons can happen every fucking day on every lynch. Why are you all so eager to kill off potential townspeople?? Because lynching gives us the most information. Following your logic, if we don't have a role detector, should we just not lynch day 2 either because we'll lose another day? | ||
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On September 04 2013 08:07 Holyflare wrote: You can still vote no-lynch in a plurality, besides, I have only been suggesting the no-lynch if nothing comes to obvious light. The fact that you people are so eager to let us lose a day of mislynching is funny though because I don't think any of your arguments make sense. If our strongest weapon is our connection theories and our votes, THEN WHY IS IT NOT BETTER TO GET 1 MORE DAY OF THESE THINGS?????? Wagons can happen every fucking day on every lynch. Why are you all so eager to kill off potential townspeople?? A couple more things, please don't use loaded questions. I don't want to kill townspeople, but I also think that the risk of doing so is necessary to inspire discussion. Why does it have to be obvious that someone is scum? We should go off our best hunch rather than waste time. | ||
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Everyone answer the following questions. Who is your strongest town read? Who is your strongest scum read? This will let us see where peoples allegiances lie. Also, give reasons for your choices. Strongest town read: Holyflare, active, trying to provide analysis Strongest scum read: Lord Velocity, hes just following along with Umasi's ideas, not really providing any of his own stuff. | ||
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On September 04 2013 13:24 Lord Velocity wrote: Well because I scimmed over the posts and why wouldn't I address things concerning me? I'm not trying to have a misslynch day 1 and give scum a one up, but in no way was I saying "He's pro town" I was simply stating that your logic made sense, but: Strongest town read: Nobody so far because I don't think we've heard from everybody? so I can't really base it off of like, the 5 people that actually talked and not about the day 1 lynch thing. Strongest Scum read: Umasi due to his fast vote on Holyflare and his super aggressive early play. Two things: Scum read in retaliation to him questioning you is pretty suspicious. You aren't helping your case with that, especially because your analysis is flawed. Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player. It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now. | ||
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Expect to hear from me in the morning about other players and how i think we should proceed going into night 1. | ||
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I just don't think there is enough to go on piling on the easiest target because he is just a lurker, and it may very well be that a lot of the pressure on him is coming from mafia themselves. Be careful in voting for him because he is the easiest target for mafia to get a mislynch right now compared to anyone else. | ||
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It is made up of either asking people of their opinions on players or criticizing other peoples content. There is literally no analysis form him at any point in the game, nor taking any sides. Hes creating posts without content to make it seem like hes contributing to the discussion. This is pretty darn scummy. | ||
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Scum don't go after the big leaders during the day because it draws attention to themselves when they could just get it done at night. Heavenz is also leaning town to me because hes trying to involve other players in the discussion as well. He also brought some pretty good analysis against me standing on neutral ground. He is right that I haven't really been taking any aggressive unpopular stances and I've been playing it safe. I think Myrzeth is a waste of a lynch because he isn't playing like scum, hes playing like someone who doesn't know how the game works. For now I think either lonemeow or Lord Velocity are the better lynch targets but maybe someone will make a slip up in the next few hours that will change my mind. I do however still think Vel is the scummier target so that is who will get my vote for the next few hours unless something changes. | ||
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If he were scum lurking on purpose he would by now be trying to defend himself somehow rather than just some noob play. This doesn't really scream scum to me if he doesn't really even show up to defend himself. I want to hear more out of him before I lynch him, especially with nightroles being what they are. One thing I will say is I can't really make sense of Holyflare. He just seems to swing all over the place making it difficult to see what his intentions are. | ||
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On September 06 2013 05:57 killerdog wrote: Blurry, you're the only person who's declared chairman ray a town read recently. Your opinion on holyflares psot? I don't think scum go after the two most active players, that just doesn't make sense to me because it means a lot of scrutiny will be on you. Let me reread his stuff again, but none of it seems to be scummy in my eyes. | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:28 heavenz wrote: I am still thinking that myrezth is a good target for a 1st day lynch. He is most of all a safe bet. Yes he might be town, but he's a counterproductive town, it's like with an employe, yes it's one employe more, but it's the one who's distracting the others from their work. Most of all he shows no willingness to learn. Ofcourse I would rather vote mafia on day1 but unless I have some sort of understanding a better bet, I go with myrezth. LV is a curious case, he loves umasi / holyf. and ignores everything what everyone else says and just tries to impress them. Chairman I kinda like your work or idea you had, and I am can't agree at the moment with holyf.'s case on you. Bereft and Blurry are both equally neutral, Blurry even acknowledged his neutrality, but tried to satisfy me by agree with me. No bro. I have not come to a conclusion yet, damn my mind. I didn't try to satifsfy you or appease you. I was saying that I acknowledged how I was playing. | ||
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He has the opportunity to improve and nothing he is doing really screams scum as opposed to new player not understand how the game works. I don't get why you are so eager to get him out of the way when you feel like you have a big case against chairman ray? | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:00 Chairman Ray wrote: Not all of my posts thus far have been genuine to my feelings, but rather baits to get certain reactions. After thorough analysis, I have concluded that HolyFlare and Umasi are both town, and I am about 95% sure of it. I will post a very long analysis during the nighttime since there's only 1 hour left. This screams scum "Disregard my suspicious actions because I actually meant to be suspicious." | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:44 Holyflare wrote: screams scum > scum is targeting lord velocity > you are targeting lord velocity > you are scum > lynch you = profit This is a huge logical fallacy. Think about what you just said. | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:47 heavenz wrote: ##vote Blurry he's a worse version of myRZeth. Everything you do is so smothe, totally neutral. You're not giving in anywhere, dispite, I belive you could. You acknowldge your neutrality and think you can just pass by it. A little suspecious on VL there, but not commiting (lol just by what he's writing he's suspicious as f´´k). I don't trust you, and I value Rays's work more. I have made a longer case where I went through your posts before. Voting for him and keeping your vote there isn't committing? I still think he is scum, I did since the start. I was the first player to question him, and I haven't changed my views at all this entire game so far, even when people started piling on myrzeth or chairman ray, which would have been far easier targets to go after. | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:51 Holyflare wrote: It was sarcasm and no there is no fallacy. You think ray is scum, scum would not have their vote on scum that would possibly be lynched therefore velocity would not be scum. You vote is on a therefore town confirmed target and you are keeping it there because of that. I can't say anyone is scum with certainty, nobody can. Its an educated guessing game, there is literally no way to confirm it until you lynch or kill them. My biggest scumread is on lord velocity, thats why my vote is there. If Chairman Ray flips green are the people who voted for him automatically scum? | ||
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I think going into the next day all of our attention should be on these people. Its so unlikely that a Mafia would avoid jumping on this bandwagon especially when the vote count was so close. I think we all need to share our reads on Umasi, Holyflare, Lonemeow, Killerdog, and myrzeth and then look into lynching one of these people tomorrow. Once night comes to an end I'll give my ideas. | ||
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