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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:23 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case you can think that I masterminded some plot to get cora to go full on babby tier cryface and bail from this game but what purpose could that possibly serve as any alignment? It sure made me look bad, and since he's been replaced we have no idea if DI's role is the same as his role. Even if I was scum and trying to make cora quit, HE GOT REPLACED ANYWAYS. It's not like I've eliminated a townie. In fact, given that Cora was replaced by dandel ion, who is infinitely more competent and somewhat more level-headed, I'd say it was a net improvement.
In fact, you should be THANKING me from defending cora so hard he ragequitted the game and all of TL Mafia, cause now we have DI instead. I didn't hate Cora as much as other people seem to (though I do like DI). And yes you have a point regarding not having 'eliminated' a townie which is the disconnect I'm having. I can't come up with the reason why you would do what you did exactly. The defense thing makes sense to a degree but if that's really how you planned on defending him it was a real shit way to do so. There is no reason to be devious and force Cora to rage in the thread if proving him towny was your goal...you just could have fucking TOLD us. (Why need to prove him towny in the first place at all...?) Also fuck being lazy BH. In every game we've played together we have had significant antagonistic interaction, and this one appears to be the exception. Why?
laziness
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On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town.
OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies.
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On August 31 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Well honestly he's usually got a bit more to go on than he has this game - not sure whether to attribute it to scummy indifference or townie ambivalence. He's got a couple of nuggz though that make me think town. For instance, calling SnB's case on me bad. Superficially that's pretty null - someone calling an apple an apple can come from either alignment. However look at the context - SnB had just gotten through writing a case on me. I know I'm town, but presumably Oats would have us believe that he doesn't. Yet he jumps to my defense. So why would a scum Oats jump to the defense of a townVE? However his lack of activity in general is cause for concern. Ultimately I'm pretty null on Oats.  I'm interested in why you think I can read the guy though - I'm notoriously bad about reading Oats if truth be told - to the point where I've considered raising him as a policy lynch D1.
Well then I guess I remembered/assumed wrong. I've talked about policy lynching Oats in the past as well (Geript knows). Cora obviously agreed with that POV. Is there anyone at all who can read Oats properly?
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Blazinghand
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also imma be real i could have defended cora (and note, everything I said about him being butthurt was a defense of him, albeit a soft one) in a less antagonistic way, but my way was SUBSTANTIALLY more fun.
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town. OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies.
I'm not saying this is a reason I'm town-- I definitely didn't think cora was going to think I was bullying him and gonna ragequit. But if you think I thought cora was going to think I was bullying him, it logically follows that I'm town. That being said, I DEFINITELY did NOT think cora was going to think I was bullying him.
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On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town. OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies.
lol yeah, but no. In Les Mis he did shit like this and was town (but got lynched anyway lololololol)
Man I'm even reading these recent posts in his voice and shit. It's such a weird phenomenon having gotten to know a bunch of your voices better now.
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Blazinghand
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Seriously though show me how it makes sense for P(Blazinghand is town|Blazinghand knew cora would rq) > 0 and I will be amazed
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Blazinghand
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er, < 1? or ~Blazinghand is town?
pretend I wrote that in a way that makes sense and is mathy and impressive
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On August 31 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town. OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies. I'm not saying this is a reason I'm town-- I definitely didn't think cora was going to think I was bullying him and gonna ragequit. But if you think I thought cora was going to think I was bullying him, it logically follows that I'm town. That being said, I DEFINITELY did NOT think cora was going to think I was bullying him.
Wait so you definitely didn't think this (and so assumed that Cora is either smarter than that/would pick up on it/whatever) and yet you called my idea that he'd be smart enough to fake it ridiculous?
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 10:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!
Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town. OH gawd when BH starts talking about absolute reasons why he's town he's scum. GG ladies. I'm not saying this is a reason I'm town-- I definitely didn't think cora was going to think I was bullying him and gonna ragequit. But if you think I thought cora was going to think I was bullying him, it logically follows that I'm town. That being said, I DEFINITELY did NOT think cora was going to think I was bullying him. Wait so you definitely didn't think this (and so assumed that Cora is either smarter than that/would pick up on it/whatever) and yet you called my idea that he'd be smart enough to fake it ridiculous?
Cora being smart enough to fake anything is ridiculous. I just assumed he wasn't a TOTAL babby.
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On August 31 2013 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Well honestly he's usually got a bit more to go on than he has this game - not sure whether to attribute it to scummy indifference or townie ambivalence. He's got a couple of nuggz though that make me think town. For instance, calling SnB's case on me bad. Superficially that's pretty null - someone calling an apple an apple can come from either alignment. However look at the context - SnB had just gotten through writing a case on me. I know I'm town, but presumably Oats would have us believe that he doesn't. Yet he jumps to my defense. So why would a scum Oats jump to the defense of a townVE? However his lack of activity in general is cause for concern. Ultimately I'm pretty null on Oats. I'm interested in why you think I can read the guy though - I'm notoriously bad about reading Oats if truth be told - to the point where I've considered raising him as a policy lynch D1. Well then I guess I remembered/assumed wrong. I've talked about policy lynching Oats in the past as well (Geript knows). Cora obviously agreed with that POV. Is there anyone at all who can read Oats properly?
To be honest man, Oats SHOULD make his alignment clear. If he doesn't, then he does anyway because he's scum. It basically follows a pattern like this: Oats looks scummy, but eventually starts saying things only townies say or thinking of things the way only townies do. Time is the best medicine for this one I think. Talk to me about HiroPro - does he truly walk the Righteous Path of the Brown? Or is he just some scummy faker faking fake stuff like a faker?
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Blazinghand
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But LOOK the point is this
If I was scum and cora was town, AND I really knew and couple manipulate cora that well... why would I make him RQ and have him replaced with DI? If I really know cora that well and can predict his irrational actions with mechanical precision, why wouldn't I just keep him in the game, dancing along my finely tuned puppet strings?
If you think I'm scum, you MUST admit I didn't know cora was gonna RQ
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On August 31 2013 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 31 2013 10:24 VisceraEyes wrote:Well honestly he's usually got a bit more to go on than he has this game - not sure whether to attribute it to scummy indifference or townie ambivalence. He's got a couple of nuggz though that make me think town. For instance, calling SnB's case on me bad. Superficially that's pretty null - someone calling an apple an apple can come from either alignment. However look at the context - SnB had just gotten through writing a case on me. I know I'm town, but presumably Oats would have us believe that he doesn't. Yet he jumps to my defense. So why would a scum Oats jump to the defense of a townVE? However his lack of activity in general is cause for concern. Ultimately I'm pretty null on Oats. I'm interested in why you think I can read the guy though - I'm notoriously bad about reading Oats if truth be told - to the point where I've considered raising him as a policy lynch D1. Well then I guess I remembered/assumed wrong. I've talked about policy lynching Oats in the past as well (Geript knows). Cora obviously agreed with that POV. Is there anyone at all who can read Oats properly? To be honest man, Oats SHOULD make his alignment clear. If he doesn't, then he does anyway because he's scum. It basically follows a pattern like this: Oats looks scummy, but eventually starts saying things only townies say or thinking of things the way only townies do. Time is the best medicine for this one I think. Talk to me about HiroPro - does he truly walk the Righteous Path of the Brown? Or is he just some scummy faker faking fake stuff like a faker?
I haven't been around long enough to really understand the deal with Chez, even after having played a couple games with him.
What does Hiro's subforum history look like? If he's been involved in games that have involved the Brown in some way I can see him attempting to fake it, but otherwise I would assume it truly is part of his role in some way (not that I know what that means).
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I don't know if you deserve credit for getting cora replaced by dandel (whom I'm not sure is as good of a player as you seem to think since dandel failed to make us gods amongst mafia players in our last game together). Like you said you didn't expect that as the outcome. So what could have happened was he gets super angry, but not quit, and the two of you argue in thread dis-railing everything which one could easily see as a scum thing to do.
I personally want to believe you weren't trying to get him to quit, because winning by being so unfun to play with that others quit is no good.
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Ah that's right, you've missed out on the majority of games with Chezinu. Shame, that.
I guess my question is this then: what do you think of him THIS game? Subtract his roleplay stuff for the moment - do you think he's playing for or against town?
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Blazinghand
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On August 31 2013 10:38 randombum wrote:
I don't know if you deserve credit for getting cora replaced by dandel (whom I'm not sure is as good of a player as you seem to think since dandel failed to make us gods amongst mafia players in our last game together). Like you said you didn't expect that as the outcome. So what could have happened was he gets super angry, but not quit, and the two of you argue in thread dis-railing everything which one could easily see as a scum thing to do.
I personally want to believe you weren't trying to get him to quit, because winning by being so unfun to play with that others quit is no good.
Thanks RB  I'm glad someone trust in my humanity
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You can still be scum though.
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On August 31 2013 10:36 Blazinghand wrote:
But LOOK the point is this
If I was scum and cora was town, AND I really knew and couple manipulate cora that well... why would I make him RQ and have him replaced with DI? If I really know cora that well and can predict his irrational actions with mechanical precision, why wouldn't I just keep him in the game, dancing along my finely tuned puppet strings?
If you think I'm scum, you MUST admit I didn't know cora was gonna RQ
I get your point and I agree, but then I still don't understand why you had to do what you did in the way you did it when a much simpler and more efficient way would have been to just tell the town what you thought.
You do enjoy causing chaos (as either alignment, sadly) and only properly perform as town when forced to do so. You're lucky I agree with VE and others who have said you're not being lynched today (and that you don't truly appear to be scum) otherwise I'd consider voting you. Your play still feels very off to me though. I'll pull a page from Vayne's book and call you 3P. Are you the BM guy?
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Blazinghand
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yes yes yes
in fact it would be better for me in terms of survival for you guys to think I intentionally bullied cora out of the game, since as scum I'd have no motivation to do that. Maybe I should have argued less vehemently!
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On August 31 2013 10:38 randombum wrote:
I don't know if you deserve credit for getting cora replaced by dandel (whom I'm not sure is as good of a player as you seem to think since dandel failed to make us gods amongst mafia players in our last game together). Like you said you didn't expect that as the outcome. So what could have happened was he gets super angry, but not quit, and the two of you argue in thread dis-railing everything which one could easily see as a scum thing to do.
I personally want to believe you weren't trying to get him to quit, because winning by being so unfun to play with that others quit is no good.
Oh shit randombum puls out the Dick Move Analysis™!
Marv where you at, bro?
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