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wassup guys
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Zentor, I see I'm not on your "I just pulled this from the voting summary" lazy list (which you refuse to narrow down). Maybe you missed it but I (briefly) voted Felkyr, it just isn't reflected in the voting thread. You want to add me to that list, or state why not?
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 31 2013 02:44 HiroPro wrote:
this is a list!
1. raynpelikoneet
2. Oatsmaster
3. MrZentor
4. cephiro
5. strongandbig
6. Danel Ion
7. Hassybaby
8. red man
9. kitaman27
10. Stutters695
11. WaveofShadow
12. cakepie
13. VayneAuthority
14. mkfuba07
15. Alakaslam
16. austinmcc
17. TheRavensName
18. Clarity_nl
19. Risen
20. Koshi
21. yamato77
22. ShiaoPi
23. Felkyr
24. Onegu
25. randombum
26. VisceraEyes
27. ObviousOne
28. HiroPro
29. geript
30. AxleGreaser
31. Mr. Cheesecake
HiroPro you seem to have known something about the importance of the player list positions even before we saw BH's lightning rod ability and Onegu's list bus driver. What's up with that?
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@clarity you're not the only one confuzzled by Dandel + the unsubstantiated town reads ppl have on him.
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On September 02 2013 06:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
You point against Zentor stands however---is he scum?
That is what I'd like to find out. His logic looks tenuous and I take issue with his omission, which could tell of scum just looking to tar a whole bunch of people with a broad brush (and missing a spot). So besides the already ongoing demands for him to clarify and narrow down, I want to see his reasoning for not having me on the list.
And no, this doesn't qualify as a satisfactory response:
On September 02 2013 06:36 MrZentor wrote:
Na, I like cake.
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On September 02 2013 06:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
What do you think of Hiro cakepie?
A lot of the general suspicion on him comes from his not-seriously-pursued-tunnel of BH, which is of course valid, but I am more concerned about his opposition (along with Ceph) to Axle's planned power use. Of course, we don't actually know precisely what Axle's power is yet, but I think it is clear that Axle had thought out the alignment possibilities before putting his plan together, so it should be a net information gain if the plan succeeded. Notice how Axle "trusts" clarity+bh+ve in the sense that they will follow the plan, and not "trust" them as clear town reads.
I don't like how "Axle don't do it" = pretty much most of Hiro's activity toward end of D1.
Also, did he know something about geript that we didn't? 'cause he seemed almost certain about BH would die:
On September 01 2013 06:18 HiroPro wrote:
I'm rather enjoying watching BH squirm in his last few moments.
These things don't look right to me.
+ Show Spoiler [setup speculation] +
I've also alluded to the possibility of space/time mechanics being present in the game earlier when we learned about "time" from VA's roleclaim. At that time it wasn't clear to me what "space" might constitute but now knowing BH and Onegu's roles, in hindsight I suspect Hiro may be pointing to some "space"-related ability in his "list" post. Go ahead and draw your own conclusions.
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Guys, side note, the player list order has been modified.
+ Show Spoiler [changelist] +- Stutters removed from #10, whole list shifted up from here
- ShiaoPi - Felkyr - Onegu - randombum becomes ShiaoPi - Onegu - Stutters - Felkyr - randombum
- rest unchanged
- Stutters is mentioned again after #31 but before replacements. ???
How much of this are you responsible for, Onegu? My best guess is you only moved yourself?
Also, Hiro seems to have known in advance that something was going to happen around Felkyr.
That's in addition to being somehow convinced beforehand that BH was going to die D1
What's your deal, Hiro?
##Vote: HiroPro
viva BH, etc
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On September 02 2013 09:41 AxleGreaser wrote:
Day 2:
##vote MrZentor
you might want to put that in the vote thread
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WOW DAT OMGUS
Hiro, maybe you don't take me seriously because I'm an easy OMGUS for you to brush off?
Or maybe I need to spell everything out because you can't be bothered to check back for other issues raised against you?
OMGUS aside, you've chosen to bank a large portion of your defense on the fact that scum would have known what is going to happen with the D1 lynch, and thus wouldn't need to deter AxleGreaser from his plan. But this is a faulty argument. What we have here is role madness, or -- to use your own words -- a "fairly ridiculous themed game", so there is no way for scum to really know ahead of time what would happen in an interaction between the mass vote rig and some other unknown (AG's) power. Among other scenarios, what if BH survives and the vote rigging is revealed? Or the intended vote rig goes awry due to other redirection? Scared scum might worry about losing control over the outcome of the D1 lynch that they thought they had in the bag.
As I see it, "BH & VE scum" is not a valid reason. AG has eloquently explained that there are any number of alternative/additional actions that a seriously concerned townie could have done to pursue the matter if they were worried about conferring advantages to hypothetically scum BH and/or VE.
On September 02 2013 11:05 HiroPro wrote:the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role.
That doesn't explain the spacing around Felkyr, who as it turns out was the pivot point of the rotation from Felkyr-Stutters-Onegu into Onegu-Stutters-Felkyr. Coincidence? Yeah right.
On September 02 2013 13:46 Onegu wrote:
But we talked about it in BM chat and stutters claimed to be able to do something to the person above him in the thread and wanted to be below felkyr. Maybe a scum was in BM qt and decided to not let that happen
This provides an interesting avenue for inquiry.
The other thing of course, is your persistent tunnel on BH that has no serious follow up. It's been brought up by BH and others so I didn't see a need to mention it again, but apparently I need to be explicit about everything, so here goes.
First you finger him for his conduct with cora, followed by random yelling at people to vote him. That's hardly a persuasive way to build a wagon that you are serious about. Then, you call BH's vote on geript "opportunistic":
On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote:
This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment).
How about, calling geript's bluff? He's been known to claim ridiculous things before. Scummy play + ludicrous claim -> why not test that claim?
"opportunistic" is pretty weak sauce.
Subsequently you stick to "BH scum" but don't actually try to persuade anyone about your case on him -- even before it is clear that we'd get a geript majority and his redirect on BH.
(See also, "BH scum, AG don't do it" without any effort to follow up)
You know what's worse than not explicitly giving a stance? Pretending to have a stance.
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Two host questions.
- Stutters removed from #10, whole list shifted up from here
- ShiaoPi - Felkyr - Onegu - randombum becomes ShiaoPi - Onegu - Stutters - Felkyr - randombum
- rest unchanged
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Stutters is mentioned again after #31 but before replacements. ???
The last point above is no longer true, the stray extra mention no longer exists.
Can a host please confirm that the additional mention was in error and has thus been rectified?
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Viscera Eyes has died!
This is in black because?
a) complete no flip (no role, no alignment, black because default font color)
b) no roleflip only, known to be 3p and/or BM alignment
c) won't tell ya
TIA
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On September 02 2013 17:33 Koshi wrote:
THERE IS A SUPERRETARDED ITEM CALLED “THE D6”.
It was very briefly in my fucking possession. I gave away this “The D6” item due to my “Give item” action. So I know 1 out of 2 people should have it. But I know what it is:
It shuffles all the items between people holding items. It says it has a 2 turn cooldown, (but it is a 1 turn cooldown actually) because it can be used again on n3.
The item I gave to VA was so perfect for VA. Now some evul scummer might have it ;.;
Fucking totally random item this "The D6".
I haven't read the rest of the thread.
On September 01 2013 05:54 Alakaslam wrote:
If Blazinghand dies, say goodbye to items you have & you get fresh new ones. A.K.A. I messes up your plans regarding items. Because is only threat I can make. Well and other stuff but I can't really control that.
brb banging head on wall
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If stutters actually used his ability, then it would have affected onegu instead. What bugs me about this is that we haven't heard from stutters all day.
Also Onegu can you give us the timestamp of the discussion between you and stutters in the BM QT?
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On September 03 2013 17:02 Hassybaby wrote:
Oh not again....why do I kill people when I'm trying to protect them....
you want to tell us more about your d20 maybe?
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I've an uneasy feeling that geript could be just a disposable front man for the scum team. His IDGAF does not look like "upset" IDGAF, or "big play failed, give up" IDGAF, it looks more of a "fuck you all" IDGAF. D1 he claimed to have planned his scum playstle ahead of time, but BH bled blue, and instead of offering any explanation or trying to be more helpful, geript basically decides to publicly, explicitly, overtly give town the finger. His contribution appears limited to mentions of a few people he thinks are suspicious for various meta or setup specuatiion reasons, but it's mostly a re-hash of this list and it's not like he actually pushes anyone for anything. Instead, he (claims to) give us a double lynch, and stops caring because his voting power is apparently -1 for the day.
I don't have good meta on him, but my gut feel is this is not simply he mad at things not going well -- seasoned players don't normally react like this. So, I see hardly any good reason for deliberate play like this for any reason, except as a joker (trying to get lynched) or as part of a scum gambit. Since it's rather unlikely that 3P can pull off all this crap by himself, I'm leaning toward the latter. Also recall that the possibility has been raised before that he might not even be the one truly responsible for the voterigging and/or the double lynch.
Also, thinking about the double plurality lynch, I'm not sure it is entirely a good thing for town, because it is easy for town to mislynch (up to twice!) since there is no requirement for a majority. In the absence of information from D1, this is a bit scary.
If I put my scum thinking hat on, it's really not a bad deal, gambling on possibly sacrificing one team member to help conceal other scumbuddies who hold powers, plus completely mess with the thread and voting patterns for two day phases. By screwing with the D1 lynch, scum sought to limit useful information. By making D2 double plurality lynch, scum put us in a lousy position -- even if geript takes a bunch of heat and we agree to lynch him, that would require us to commit a certain number of votes on him, and from there the danger of mislynching with the second noose is still high if we don't consolidate correctly.
Hence he isn't even trolling, he is pretty much taunting when he states things like the D1 votes don't matter, or challenges us to lynch him with the double lynch.
Does this sound reasonable or am I just being absurd and paranoid?
Notwithstanding geript, do people agree that we need to be especially careful with the double lynch?
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On September 03 2013 19:01 AxleGreaser wrote:
perhaps by giving geript that kind of control and Alak a randomiser button marked "Dont press this button" then we are getting the RNG game we or someone(Dandel loves RNG IIRC) deserves?
maybe we are playing aperture and got what we each signed up for.
lol thanks that helped me lighten up a bit.
More seriously do you agree that double lynch is actually a tricky situation? At the very least, this is not the time to be toying around with a repeat attempt at your shenanigans (which you suggested at some point earlier D2) -- if it is hard enough to find two clear consensus wagons, we might really need all the votes we can get where they matter -- lynching people rather than toying with powers. It certainly wouldn't be funny if you ended up getting mislynched (though that's rather unlikely). The downside is we might not get another chance to try your plan if we lose you tonight.
About Alakaslam, on D1 clearly showed signs of being item/power drunk, I just wish we'd paid more attention -- he doesn't help by being so unintelligible, but he did state his intentions and the trigger condition beforehand. Bloody stupid selfish attention-seeking plan or scummy act? He seems repentant, at least, with a coherent (if incredibly stupid) story, whereas geript still doesn't give a shit. If I had to choose between Alakaslam and geript, Imma lynch into geript first.
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On September 03 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote:
I still don't understand this chronosphere thing he keeps talking about. It seems to be charging...
On September 03 2013 15:05 Alakaslam wrote:
came back not reading much not caring rather all giddy with "I must follow through on my promise" and making up C&C RA fake flavor & stuff because I always thought the chronosphere story was awesome if the actual building/power in game basically sucked.
Basically, chronosphere is all bollocks from slam, if I understand correctly.
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On September 03 2013 23:41 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 17:14 cakepie wrote:
If stutters actually used his ability, then it would have affected onegu instead. What bugs me about this is that we haven't heard from stutters all day.
Also Onegu can you give us the timestamp of the discussion between you and stutters in the BM QT? Nope not allowed to give timestamps or quotes. You will have to trust me.
Can you say if this discussion happened before or after Hiro's list post? ( August 31 2013 02:44 KST - about 18h into the game)
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aight sorry, I mistakenly thought the rule was only against exact copy/paste replication.
anyhow we have like 9 hours; as various other players have been exhorting, time to consolidate.
I can vote geript. On D1 I wasn't sure about calling bluff on his "unlynchable" claim; it was wanting to help support axlegreaser's plan that tipped the scales for me. But his behavior D2 leaves no doubt that he doesn't give a shit about being pro-town. In contrast I'm less worried about alakascum, he's "less harmful" and can't repeat his item shuffle shenanigans; we can get him later if need be, although he's an alright second lynch if there's no consensus otherwise. Waiting to see what hosts say about the role/action interaction vis kita/hassy.
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On September 04 2013 08:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
time to activate the minor other ability I have
##But the future refused to change: Hassybaby
Please explain wtf you're up to
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On September 04 2013 08:47 Cephiro wrote:
Fuck -_- I'm not sure whether to vote for slam or geript. Geript has actually tried to be useful today.
geript can't be saved unless like two people move off him. I think your choice is really between slam/hassy for second noose
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On September 04 2013 09:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0
It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm.
^ This. I just finished double checking why we didn't lynch geript + alakaslam like I was expecting, took me a while to put two and two together.
Vayne is the fate change a side effect of your power use or should we look to other explanations?
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On September 04 2013 09:52 Risen wrote:
Vayne why did you send in the action to change fate?
He did it to keep Hassy's ghost around.
Ironically, Hassy wouldn't have died if he didn't do that.
... yeah.
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On September 04 2013 09:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 09:53 cakepie wrote:On September 04 2013 09:52 Risen wrote:
Vayne why did you send in the action to change fate? He did it to keep Hassy's ghost around. Ironically, Hassy wouldn't have died if he didn't do that. ... yeah. No way scum would know this though. 100% town move from vayne.
I know, I'm not calling Vayne scum for it, it's just so ironic. =/
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