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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
September 08 2013 21:37 GMT
#3821
I'm not going to do anything rash like kill somebody without warning if that's what you mean by act. At the moment I'm just rereading a lot of stuff, going though filters and such working on my thoughts.
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-09 20:36:33
September 08 2013 21:37 GMT
#3822
Day 4 Lynch

WaveOfShadow (1): AxleGreaser
MrZentor (1): Clarity_nl, Risen
randombum (3): raynpelikoneet, Clarity_nl, Cephiro
raynpelikoneet (1): WaveofShadow

The lynch will happen in at Tuesday, Sep 10 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 08 2013 21:40 GMT
#3823
So who all is down for lynching Rayn? I know the other pokemon role and I think they're way more likely town.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2013 21:48 GMT
#3824
LOL. Stutters who is it? Kill him with fire asap!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2013 21:49 GMT
#3825
Okay, now. Let's talk.
Stutters: If they are town why would they not claim when i asked to?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2013 21:50 GMT
#3826
Because, you know. If you happen to get me lynched without telling the other guy's name Stutters you have basically given yourself a death sentence.. And that's bad if you are town.
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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 08 2013 22:01 GMT
#3827
On September 09 2013 06:40 Stutters695 wrote:
So who all is down for lynching Rayn? I know the other pokemon role and I think they're way more likely town.


Well, random and rayn are my top two lynch targets for a while now, but I'm not getting on this wagon before I hear more. So you're confirming another pokemon role exists?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2013 22:06 GMT
#3828
Of course he is. Cephiro if you do not believe me, believe Clarity. It does not make any fucking sense for me to claim like i did unless i did lie about my role. Stutters just confirmed i am telling the truth. This makes me totally town. It makes absolutely zero sense the other guy would not listen what i said at the start of the game if he was town. Absolutely none.

Mafia is soon losing and they need big plays. If Stutters is town he should give the name and we lynch them because they are 100% mafia. Suddenly now, when randombum is gonna get lynched and mafia is three members town the other dude "claims to Stutters and is soo much more town than rayn". Bullshit.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2013 22:13 GMT
#3829
So who all is down for lynching Stutters?
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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 08 2013 22:20 GMT
#3830
I'm not up for lynching Stutters, at least not yet. But if you know someone else to be a pokemon role, I'd like to hear the name. Or that person should come forth if he wants to accuse rayn of being scum. We lynch the other, and if we hit town, we kill/lynch the other one next. If we hit scum first, then most likely the other one is pretty much confirmed town. At the moment I think a 1-for-1 trade is extremely worth it, so I'm expecting the other pokemon person to reveal themself.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2013 22:24 GMT
#3831
So not fishy at all to just drop a "claim from someone" here and fuck off without telling more?
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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 08 2013 22:45 GMT
#3832
I have not claimed that. But I'll give it looks very good for you if the other person is not going to come forth. To the extent you've described your role it sounds like you don't have anything very powerful you can do. A 1 for 1 trade at this point is really good in my opinion, I don't see how someone could argue against that. Assuming rayn is scum and this other person (if he exists) is town, the claim should be made.

There is also a very small possibility (highly unlikely, but never rule out a sick play in mafia), that stutters/rayn are both scum/3p/a mix of the above, and are playing to get rayn towncred by claiming there is this other pokemon dude that never even comes out. Very unlikely, but possible.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
September 08 2013 22:51 GMT
#3833
Well, the biggest thing is who to lynch. The person I think has the biggest chance of flipping scum is rayne. I picked his filter first because he was the first one to vote me and what I see screams scum. I doubled checked his voting patterns because it's a lot shorter and to start with that looks terrible. His final votes have been geript, geript, debears. Not a good start.

Then there's his wanting to lynch of me. This is the only post where he has a reason for wanting to lynch me.

On September 03 2013 02:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
randombum's case on vayne was shit, he never tells why anything he says makes vayne scum (and vayne is totes town). Other than that there is nothing much than some random questions from random people and and vote on geript (i don't think that's alignment indicative). Could be scum.



His only post of substance regarding me way early in the game and it ends on could be scum. Note the bolded, he is convinced vayne is town when he has since flipped 3p. A scum would know he's not scum and assume town. Actually, I went and looked up what he had to say about vayne this game and it's so flip-floppy. He starts out wanting vayne lynched, but then he suddenly really doens't want vayne lynched instead he wants to find out who vayne would likely target so he knows when the best time for scum to kill him is.
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On August 30 2013 18:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
vayne's first post was quite weird for town!vayne. Wahtddya think Koshi and Clarity?


On August 30 2013 19:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 18:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Koshi is totes town, cephiro is... totes town, and geript is weird but probably town.

Okay, good that we are on the same page. :D
Want to lynch vayne?


On August 30 2013 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2013 19:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
On August 30 2013 19:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On August 30 2013 18:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
Koshi is totes town, cephiro is... totes town, and geript is weird but probably town.

Okay, good that we are on the same page. :D
Want to lynch vayne?


I'm not sure I'm comfortable being on the same page as you.

I dunno. I really don't like that he calls cephiro a good shot, but not scum. Like I get the sentiment of shooting lurkers but cephiro is no lurker.
That said, as koshi puts it, vayne shows to care about this game, which probably means he's a bad lynch today.
Wanna lynch WoS instead?

When vayne cares about the game from the beginning it's alarming.
I never want to lynch WoS anymore, ever. No, but for real, why WoS?


On August 31 2013 01:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 01:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
cephiro, felkyr, obviousone all scum lol

this game is easy so far

cephiro - get softly discredited by multiple people for "caring about the game" when I play differently every game so it's just an excuse to have an opinion. My case is promptly swept under the rug and nobody ever mentions him again until he responds to my post.

Felkyr - how long did it take you to make that entrance post, an hour?

obviousone - Instead of going with town sentiment and finding me scummy he immediately jumps to a 3rd party conclusion since he knows I'm not on his scumteam. Very strange conclusion to draw this early in the game.


vayne, a couple of things:
- Why do you call out Cephiro especially when multiple people have expressed wanting to lynch you because of you entrance to the game, and told it does not make sense for you as town.
- Your read on OO especially makes me think you are mafia. No more to be said on that matter yet.


Then after vayne claims.

On September 02 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 02 2013 02:26 MrZentor wrote:
Assuming his vote rigging ability is a scum role, it would be best for them to use it later in the game. This gives mafia a strong motivation for saving geript, even if it's risky

Which would lead them to vote for the person who is most likely to be lynched besides geript.
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 01 2013 01:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Day 1 Lynch

geript (6): VisceraEyes, Alakaslam, Cephiro, Clarity_nl, Blazinghand, Dandel Ion, randombum, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (0): Dandel Ion (cDgCorazon)
Koshi (0): WaveofShadow
Dandel Ion (0): kitaman27
kitaman27 (0): Dandel Ion, raynpelikoneet
WaveOfShadow (1): AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi
ShiaoPi (1): WaveofShadow
Blazinghand (1): HiroPro, raynpelikoneet
Felkyr (4): Oatsmaster, Dandel Ion, Mr. Cheesecake, Clarity_nl, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
cephiro (0): Blazinghand
Mr. Cheesecake (1): Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (1): strongandbig
MrZentor (1): AxleGreaser
Alakaslam (1): cakepie

The lynch will happen in at Sunday, Sep 01 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). With 31 alive it takes 16 to lynch. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required.



All I'm saying is that if geript flips mafia, we need to kill one of those people. I don't know if he will or not.

So you are saying we purposely let geript play like shit and then tried to lynch Felkyr as an opposing wagon?
I wasn't even here, did you even look at how my vote ended up on Felkyr and then on geript?
Also Clarity, vayne and Koshi are not scum for sure.


On September 04 2013 08:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also why the fuck are you attacking Vayne Cephiro?


On September 04 2013 10:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 04 2013 10:37 Cephiro wrote:
On September 04 2013 10:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 04 2013 10:29 HiroPro wrote:
Oh wait VE, you can get rid of this circle on me right! Could you do that please

First you ask me to go away and now you want favors? Get outta here Hiro. LOL


VE, up for a Vayne lynch tomorrow?

Why the fuck do you want to lynch a townie? Seriously?


On September 04 2013 11:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On September 04 2013 11:27 Cephiro wrote:
On September 04 2013 11:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah i do not bother.


Yep. You got caught, and you're just trying to sidestep the issue because you can't talk yourself out of it. Just like Vayne & Oats have been doing. Too bad that this should be obvious enough for the rest of the town now, they won't hesitate voting on you for any longer. You all scum will die.

I will make sure this is the quote everyone remembers when me and vayne flip. I will make damn sure you feel bad and wrong because you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. That being said i am not sure about Oats.


His only reasoning for not wanting to lynch vayne anymore is because he believed his claim. You know what, that's not terrible instant scum reasoning, but look at what he tries to get out of it later.

On August 31 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On August 31 2013 02:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
oh wow two of the scum I already nailed parading in and trying to discredit me again. who would have fucking thought rofl?

get out of the thread scum.

Do you mean Cephiro and Felkyr? Have those guys played with you before? I think their thought process seems reasonable. Sadly, given your appereance in this game, it does not tell anything about their alignment.


On August 31 2013 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are not achieving anything by throwing shit at vayne. Stop it right now. It will only lead into shitfest that definitely does not help us finding scum.

vayne, could you look at my post, did you mean Cephiro and Felkyr?



On August 31 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 02:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
On August 31 2013 02:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are not achieving anything by throwing shit at vayne. Stop it right now. It will only lead into shitfest that definitely does not help us finding scum.

vayne, could you look at my post, did you mean Cephiro and Felkyr?


yes, I've made small outlines on why I think they are scum and they look really intent on trying to get rid of me but the kicker is they actually aren't doing much of anything.

read through cephiro's filter and tell me what you think, especially the post where he says he's fine with lynching lurkers but would rather lynch "better candidates" first (read active people)

I had a town read on Cephiro earlier for his pressure on geript. Looking at it now the read has weakened, as he is calling geript out for reasons i do not think geript is scum for and he is sticking to them. I do not understand his reasons attacking you (someone not saying "i'm town" does not make then scum). I do not understand his reasons attacking yamato, yet that's a minor point. Him asking Koshi to give the item to him makes me lean town on him again, i don't see scum straight up asking something like that. I can understand his reasons (after the initial "you did not say you are town"-failure) for thinking you are mafia if he has not played with you before. I do not think he said he is "okay with a lurker lynch" as you present it. I think he said pretty much the opposite (that he is not okay with lurker lynch).

Overall i do not think he is scum atm. What makes you strongly think he is scum?

What about Felkyr?

btw i gotta go for couple of hours, i'll get back to you after that.


Trying to push vayne towards certain targets so he can kill vayne and get free town kills out of his role. In particular he wanted felkr dead who has a green check.


Anyways, back to him trying to lynch me

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On September 04 2013 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 00:48 kitaman27 wrote:
On September 04 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:
From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread.

Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia?


A thief type role would also address that concern. Tough to say without the role list. It also wouldn't be out of the question of being a town role.

Who are your top two lynch preferences? It's not quite clear.

geript + randombum/alakaslam/hassy. I would like to hear more from them. Also debears looks bad to me. My vote is on geript and will stay there.


On September 04 2013 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you lynching Hassy?

Lynch geript!
Lynch alakaslam/randombum/whoever


Why Hassy? What is the motivation for his actions as mafia?


On September 05 2013 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
From the other thread i think randombum, Cephiro and MrZentor are scum, maybe even WoS. I think what's gonna happen there is town lynch, unfortunately.

Clarity, i think your post before the deadline was good. Who do you think we should lynch? Slam/debears?
I am okay with either one of them.


On September 07 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The other thread lynch randombum!!


On September 07 2013 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mr.CC: Make those fuckers lynch randombum. He is likely to be scum. We get info from voting patterns. Someone might even be able t reveal his alignment post-death.


On September 09 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I could lynch Zentor or randombum the most.


On September 09 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: randombum

I think we should lynch him. Why did WoS go silent on ShiaoPi last night? Is he scum too?


On September 09 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case the cop who copped ShioPi and Felkyr is legit i pretty much see no other options for scum than randombum and WoS. Everyone else looks more or less town.


On September 09 2013 03:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't forget randombum and today's lynch. :D



That's it, not a single reason. His last actual comment about me was over 5 days ago and it concluded maybe. He doesn't actually have reasons to think I'm scum, he just notices that some people do and so he would join an easy mislynch.

Outside of pokemon what exactly has he done? He's voted geript (not that I blame him for this one) he tried to save OO and get a not scum debears lynched. Going over his filter I haven't seen one thing that helps town. All his votes and pushes have been on town or to save scum.

He claims town pokemon trainer and gets tons of town cred for it because why would a scum trainer out himself like this?. But now there's this

On September 09 2013 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
First of all me being alive is not a reason for me being scum. The rest of the post makes no sense and i useless speculation. There is not a single reason why i am scum.

If we kill the mafia pokemon dude, i become pretty much confirmed town. There is not a single reason why should i have claimed as scum. There is not a single reason why the other guy would be town. The suggestion that "rayn is playing with the hosts" is absurd and dumb. Mafia can't NK me, because doing that does not kill me until all my pokemons are dead. They need to lynch me. That's why they try to lynch me.

I am not here "doing nothing". Just because i don't make big posts with townreads and shit does not mean i am scum.


Mafia cannot kill the other pokemon trainer, so they need to fish him out so they can lynch him. The only reason he got so much town cred is because no town trainer counterclaimed him, but a town pokemon trainer would paint a giant ass target on himself to scum who have a much better chance of getting a mislynch if it comes down to a coinflip, or if worse case scenerio mafia scum find town trainer and don't waste night shots on him. This is assuming he isn't making the whole thing up.

If you take pokemon away everything he has done has been hurting town.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
September 08 2013 22:52 GMT
#3834
With all that said ##vote rayne
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 08 2013 22:52 GMT
#3835
On September 09 2013 07:45 Cephiro wrote:
I have not claimed that. But I'll give it looks very good for you if the other person is not going to come forth. To the extent you've described your role it sounds like you don't have anything very powerful you can do. A 1 for 1 trade at this point is really good in my opinion, I don't see how someone could argue against that. Assuming rayn is scum and this other person (if he exists) is town, the claim should be made.

There is also a very small possibility (highly unlikely, but never rule out a sick play in mafia), that stutters/rayn are both scum/3p/a mix of the above, and are playing to get rayn towncred by claiming there is this other pokemon dude that never even comes out. Very unlikely, but possible.


Why? It certainly helps that suspicion had just started to be cast on Rayn's claim that there was another pokemon master.
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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
September 08 2013 22:54 GMT
#3836
Well I think it comes down to if the other person comes in and claims rival pokemon master or not. I assume stutters has a name, and stutters seems to believe that person is townier.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 08 2013 22:57 GMT
#3837
Oh suddenly the guy who's getting lynched decided to read my filter and has nothing more to say, after some sketchy Stutters claim. ^_^

This game, this game.. :p
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 08 2013 23:00 GMT
#3838
I dunno rayn, I'm wondering what made you say stuff like this:

On September 07 2013 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mr.CC: Make those fuckers lynch randombum. He is likely to be scum. We get info from voting patterns. Someone might even be able t reveal his alignment post-death.


On September 07 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity, looking at the votes here i think there is noone who is scum on debears. I am not sure on that at all on OO..

randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
September 08 2013 23:02 GMT
#3839
Why would I say anything about others when I am not trying to get them lynched at the moment? I asked people to ask me what they wanted to know, if not I would rather focus on getting scum lynched instead of spamming the thread up.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
September 08 2013 23:04 GMT
#3840
I think Risen is telling the truth about being 3P. There, does that help town in any way shape or form? No it's pointless filler that distracts town if we start discussing Risen.
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