EPTAperture Mafia 2: Episode 2 - Page 190
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MrZentor
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
1) Rayn is scum and knows I'm not on his team 2) Rayn tries to buddy me like he did when he was scum in GoT 3) Since Rayn knows I'm not scum with him he goes with the obvious not scum, but town 4) Rayn couldn't have known there would be so many 3P, was a calculated risk that didn't pay off | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You were here too. When i thin someone is town and another dude is trying to accuse them i tell that i think they are town. That's what i do. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Axle, I know how you play and I am in no mood to be tunneled into infinity by you if I don't answer your questions exactly the way you want them. I'm telling you right now I'll answer your shit once, and if it's not how you like it, too bad. I've been out of this game for too long and I'd really like to get back into it, and defending myself from shit that I'm honestly going to have to look into my own fucking filter to find answers to because it was like 2 weeks ago is not scumhunting. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 09 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: His overall play and cases exactly match his play from GoT. Earlier in post by you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19685549 Risen: I wouldn't consider him a lurker. I liked his pushback against cheese n2. That said he's being nothing like GoT where his opening post had 6 scumreads in it. Who are his scumreads this game? I dunno. Look into this guy more. Is that your read or is that a quote? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 09 2013 04:27 AxleGreaser wrote: Earlier in post by you http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19685549 Risen: I wouldn't consider him a lurker. I liked his pushback against cheese n2. That said he's being nothing like GoT where his opening post had 6 scumreads in it. Who are his scumreads this game? I dunno. Look into this guy more. Is that your read or is that a quote? It is Clarity's read. That's why i questioned Clarity later about his Risen read, and tried to question OO about his reads. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
While if you are town thats easy for you to know for me its much harder, and i know tend to read your play as scummy even when its not, soits going to be hard for me to see your point of view. Ok? In previous exchange you said "Not explaining it again. Read my filter." I did. + Show Spoiler + Originally here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19646000 you said On September 01 2013 07:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Already explained it; first of all I think he's scum but since my vote doesn't matter, meh. I don't want to vote for Geript because while I believe he may be telling the truth, I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so. you said this subsequently On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it. and in my filter I explained that my plan was fine even if some of the three were scum yet still even though you "I am fine with AG's plan" you cant swap your vote onto the geript wagon to enable my plan to work? even though I say the thing you are concerned about (BH's confidence in going along with it) is fine. Playing as town is hard... you have to cooperate with people you only probably think are townies...(in this case me and my plan) its the effort to try and do that I am not seeing. That part of playing as town is also hard to fake as scum. So yes even though you have explained that in your filter... I could do with you clarifying why some more. In there you say "I don't want to vote for Geript because while I believe he may be telling the truth, I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so." Who did you think might be going to perform actions and what was the risk to towns win con? Presumably you were also most confident Shiaopi was scum (aka your strongest read) | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I was most confident of Shiao being scum at the time, and then he masoned me. At first I figured it was just a ploy to gain confidence as we were both voting each other, then I grew to trust him, even though I figured out that he recruited me to his mason chat because he may have wanted to shoot me at a later time. We had a little bit of discussion before he was shot but not that much more; I've already mentioned that. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
##Vote: raynpelikoneet If he was town he wouldn't be alive right now. He just wouldn't. He only sort of started playing the game a little while in; before that point he was solely focused on his role (and still is, somewhat). I forget who said it, but we have no idea if Rayn is telling the truth in any way. Yeah it would be an odd thing to lie about (fighting against another trainer) but I could see it. The worst thing for me is the fact that he just doesn't seem like he cares anywhere NEAR as much as he does about the game as when he's town. I also want to look into Hiro---I promised I would very early on and never did. Also what is it you guys plan on doing with VE? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On September 09 2013 04:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I was afraid that voting for Geript would cause something bad to happen, since he was essentially asking for it, and looked scummy as all hell. If you want to see another example of my paranoia regarding heavily themed games, look at my refusal to ##Lovetap in the most recent PTP game. I don't know what could have happened exactly that would cause an antitown outcome, it's a Greymist game. I was most confident of Shiao being scum at the time, and then he masoned me. At first I figured it was just a ploy to gain confidence as we were both voting each other, then I grew to trust him, even though I figured out that he recruited me to his mason chat because he may have wanted to shoot me at a later time. We had a little bit of discussion before he was shot but not that much more; I've already mentioned that. Yes I can understand not wanting to do the love tap thing i was saying noooooo when i read the game. You are town, as nearly every other townie was on that wagon.. if there is risk to town that you dont want to take... I dont recall you emphasising that to the other townies in the game. How did you grow to trust him? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust just seemed to evaporate? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
The only plausible thing i could think was scum:geript might need majority to redirect the lynch. | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah WoS is scum. You've said that to almost everyone accusing you, yet you're the one still alive after countless townie flips. Is he scum because he accuses you, or do you have some other reasoning? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:01 AxleGreaser wrote: Yes I can understand not wanting to do the love tap thing i was saying noooooo when i read the game. You are town, as nearly every other townie was on that wagon.. if there is risk to town that you dont want to take... I dont recall you emphasising that to the other townies in the game. How did you grow to trust him? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust just seemed to evaporate? My thought processes on Geript as I remember them: At first I believed him when he claimed because it was fairly detailed and it REALLY didn't seem like something scum would do---and he was talking like extremely confident town: On September 01 2013 05:41 geript wrote: First off people, if I were scum you need to answer a few basic questions: 1. Why would I explain shit about my role? 2. Why would I continue to troll people to get a reaction? 3. Can you honestly think that I'd be this brazen from the start just to force me to use my ability instead of vote rigging D2 or D3 as scum? You people are being intentionally dense. I intentionally played to my scum meta because I wanted to see who would choose to focus where. Then he just did dick all forever even after saying he was playing like his scum meta and much like BH's play this game that I had a problem with, not being helpful leads me to believe scum. Then another change ----It was right before the lynch on him went down I think. He actually FINALLY started behaving like a town Geript would, but by then it was honestly too late to let him live as just like Slam, he probably would have been a HUGE question mark all game even if he managed to make himself look really towny in his posting. I can try to find the specific post that did it for me---I remember specifically thinking "Oh shit, Geript IS town. Why the FUCK would he play this way?!" On September 04 2013 03:00 geript wrote: For when I flip: Oats for reasons I pointed out before. Everything still applies. Rayn for defending Oats on completely bs reasons and filter length Risen for being too obtuse to be town Slam for not being fun to play with (anyone who's seen him play can spot easy differences). Obv not town. WoS for this post. This is not town WoS. I've had weird feelings about him all game and this post solidifies my position that he's scum. Can't explain why I feel this way, but these reads on people (eg Mocsta in goldrush) have always been right. There was one more I forgot. But pressure Randombum and Clarity. Gassy is obv town and you guys will retardly sheep onto him no doubt. No reason for him not to double check if his action went through first before responding as scum. I think giro is town but can't place why (not 100%) though. Kits is town too IMO and will die tonight. There it is. A little too detailed to be scummy WIFOM-before-dying post. EVery post after that showed actual effort. Which was a stark contrast to his earlier play. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah WoS is scum. lololol Clearly scum play to come in swinging after afking my way through half of this game, even though there is STILL no one paying attention to me today aside from Axle. ESPECIALLY with a scumread on you, KNOWING that if you're town there is the potential for you to enter 'Rayn-tunnel-mode' and get me lynched. Yup. Best scumplay NA. At least Axle is trying to get a read on me. What have you got? Bring it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
If we kill the mafia pokemon dude, i become pretty much confirmed town. There is not a single reason why should i have claimed as scum. There is not a single reason why the other guy would be town. The suggestion that "rayn is playing with the hosts" is absurd and dumb. Mafia can't NK me, because doing that does not kill me until all my pokemons are dead. They need to lynch me. That's why they try to lynch me. I am not here "doing nothing". Just because i don't make big posts with townreads and shit does not mean i am scum. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
You are town, as nearly every other townie was on that wagon.. if there is risk to town that you dont want to take... I dont recall you emphasising that to the other townies in the game. As I understand it you didnt want to vote for geript as that might do something to you, but what I dont see is concern for what it might do to all the townies who were voting for geript. (Indeed my plan which you didnt have problem with meant nearly all the townies would have voted for geript...) How did you grow to trust him(Shiaopi)? What did you observe, because from what I saw in the thread the mistrust you had for shiaopi just seemed to evaporate? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 09 2013 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all me being alive is not a reason for me being scum. The rest of the post makes no sense and i useless speculation. There is not a single reason why i am scum. If we kill the mafia pokemon dude, i become pretty much confirmed town. There is not a single reason why should i have claimed as scum. There is not a single reason why the other guy would be town. The suggestion that "rayn is playing with the hosts" is absurd and dumb. Mafia can't NK me, because doing that does not kill me until all my pokemons are dead. They need to lynch me. That's why they try to lynch me. I am not here "doing nothing". Just because i don't make big posts with townreads and shit does not mean i am scum. Who is asking for townreads? Rayn you are playing nowhere NEAR like your usual play. You are way more focused on pokemons than finding scum (unless you count finding the 'enemy pokemans trainer' which at this point could just be a front for the very little scumhunting you've done all game. It's a perfectly feasible lie that you have a counterpart and this way you can train your 'scumhunting' efforts on a role that doesn't even fucking exist all game. | ||
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