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Alakaslam
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On August 16 2013 15:05 cDgCorazon wrote: Another announcement: Voting is done in this thread. There is no separate voting thread. Thank you. Most ppl are probably going to say "no, thank YOU!", last newbie games I almost posted this vid to express my sentiment but direst not wanna be jerk. Now it would not really be jerk of me because I said so. Right off the bat | ||
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Alakaslam
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On August 16 2013 15:10 DeusXmachina wrote: WIFOM = wine in front of me right? FoS = ? Is there a list of this shit I can look at? I kinda got it by osmosis. Finger of Suspicion. | ||
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Alakaslam
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On August 16 2013 15:11 LoneMeow wrote: You addressed the content itself, but I was more curious of your thoughts of it as a first post. Did it seem like the way a town player would enter the game? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424098 Check my reads. Why? You are suspicious? | ||
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On August 16 2013 20:37 LoneMeow wrote: Ok, I see. What do you think of this game so far, any reads? Well I can answer this. So far, I'm liking iVLosk!. If I were still messed up on the lying thing I would have pushed (perhaps even tunneled) DeusXmachina into the ground based on that. That being said, one rolling scum might implicate the other for the same reason. This is highly unlikely, however, based on iVLosk!'s advice & etc. So like deus, I'm looking for activity from the current "lurkers", if I don't see what I would like to see by the time I wanna see it? Voting into that. Also I'm considering squibbles a bit of a lurker, he may have actually posted, however he only really made one post and seemingly left. Also, that post was called into suspicion by another player- which will always prick my ears up! But by his own logic plus lone, and my reply to lone, he's got about 10 hours I guess. | ||
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Alakaslam
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On August 17 2013 01:08 iVLosK! wrote: Slam, I know that you and Coag go way back. Would I be safe in assuming that the 4 newbie games you have on this site (and the couple I've seen on OMGUS) are not your only games? Actually that is all of it. Back when, here upon the vast TL, I noticed certain blog and poll monsters- the author of which was the one to whom we refer. Having recently discovered the private message function, I used it during his comic to say foolish things. Whereupon he told me, "Forsooth, thou shalt attempt the Mafias"- and having not even thought of the games at all recently at the time, thought unto myself, "what is this? For though it seems Starcraft hath a secret society, I need not be tasked with such things as that might be (truly I thought mayhap there were Team Liquid hit men going around) and declined. Took me until shortly before NMM XLIII to wake up and smell the roses xD | ||
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Alakaslam
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Seems we aren't very active  On August 17 2013 03:19 Holyflare wrote: Here's the run down so far, yeh it's early but /care Stuffz going down: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote: Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said. Here we have squibbles pointing out what I find to be obvious but what many of us failed to say. He didn't need to backtrack but he did because this is an important point, it isn't beating a dead horse and implies that he'd like further discussion if this arises in the future, I like this guy. Also agrees with not posting bs spam. +++++ Would like to hear more when he's back from work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Deus started a bit wishy washy but I'm assuming he is being more aprehensive over the last game where he started with full on aggression against reps. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote: If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy. I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game. Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum. I'm liking this post, yet, it seems this game he is going all out aggressive on lurkers. Lurkers annoy me yes but he hasn't really added anything yet in terms of proper content other than elaborating his policy when asked which increases my suspicions of people that are rating him as a town player for now ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Not sure about this lonemeow guy, he has the town mentality sure with stuff like this: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 15:26 LoneMeow wrote: Okay, I see your track record on figuring out first posts isn't exactly stellar :D I want to see people talk about each other, because that makes the game much easier to figure out. I consider his first post pretty much null from a completely new player. On that matter, my reads so far: slightly town on DeusXmachina and Alakaslam, null on the rest. however he hasn't had to talk about other people so I cannot give a good read on him whatsoever yet. If you read this lonemeow I want your full impressions on iVLosK! and Slam. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ What I am REALLY quizzical about are why people are riding iVLosK!'s dick so fucking hard, he implies he hate's wishy washy bull shit but has provided absolutely 0 content in his posts so far: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:20 iVLosK! wrote: No, past iVlosK!. Not yet. But soon... very soon. This is Squibbles only game post but I like the content on multiple points. I spare thee, and await further posts. This is his only thing that has any merit and it's a line about him agreeing with a post.... like seriously I question the people that lean town on this guy... Stupid obvious shit 1: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 07:41 iVLosK! wrote: I would argue that the rap was very aggressive. Krizz Kaliko does not fuck around. Stupid obvious shit 2: + Show Spoiler + Stupid obvious shit 3: + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 01:27 iVLosK! wrote: Anyway, if Xzavier and reps haven't done anything meaningful by the time the Chiefs game ends tonight, I will lower the boom on whichever I deem most worthy. For a guy that states he hates people that talk about "stupid obvious shit" he sure is hypocritical. He's also just devolved into talking about lynching lurkers in his last post, again, no content. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Slam... is slam, but this game he's seemed to get his shit somewhat together: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote: Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it. Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true  ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...) HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys. "Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2) Fellows, pleeeze!! Confused about his town read on iVLosK obviously and mentioning me over everyone else seems a bit quizzical too as I didn't post much. + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote: Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff. I like this post but by this nature he should also assume that ivlosk is now scummy (after reading my post/his filter), he has a habit of being swayed easily by people who are expressing pro town interests which you all need to watch out for too. Obviously the game is early and you can't read too much into what he is saying so press him lots <3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ JAT hasn't really added anything other than his dislike of fakeclaims, can't read into him at all so would like to hear more from him too, will push him on people when he is around. [spoiler] /spoiler] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I will push people for reads and things if they are around when I post this I can see where you're coming from there. Reason I think iVLosk is town is pretty much gauging his personality, and the fact that fluff actually makes a good pool for Svengali play- scum mislynch pushes. So his putting an end to that I saw as good. But maybe too quick, I didn't expect it to stifle town... Reps, Xzavier? Whassup? Where be ye? | ||
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Alakaslam
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On August 17 2013 07:29 Holyflare wrote: So you liked his rap and pointless posts about being a zergling? Ok sounds reasonable....... Oh wait not really, i want you to filter dive like i have done and specifically point out what it is you like and why It is irrelevant for now why i picked these 2 people Slam if you are still here what are your thoughts on deus and JAT? Dues didn't seem himself and I am suspicious a little. But that was cleared up I think, I've been skimming from work and now that I'm home I'm going to go a little more in depth versus my per usual "tossin' it out there" style. But immediately I remember the whole Lying thing. I mean we don't wanna be all like "hey scum wassup so like I'm cop he's mason with him and that guy is our tracker", but otherwise I would think inconsistency is pretty much all we have to go on for scum hunting. But remember I sux at this... Not an excuse so much as saying "take me with a grain of salt". | ||
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Alakaslam
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 Look the thread is only actually a few pages long- the game doesn't actually start until page 10. But here is what I notice, and think: iVLoski may be messing around some- I messed around a lot as town as well, so that's not enough for me but yes, I am aware he could be dangerous scum. I'm Watchin' him and Y'all should too. But I think your suspicion of him has brought out something interesting Holyflare; justanothertownie. look at this On August 17 2013 07:02 Holyflare wrote: JAT what is your opinion so far on ivlosk and also I'd like to hear your thoughts on lonemeow On August 17 2013 07:24 justanothertownie wrote: Why do you ask me about those 2 specifically? Ivlosk: I said earlier I liked his first posts. There isn't anything else to say for me right now. No idea about his alignment. LoneMeow: Sounds reasonable to me. He brought up the policy thing but someone has to start discussion somehow. K look at this- What are your reads JAT?!? Holyflare has asked you for your reads, this isn't the clearest thing in the world and seems pretty reserved. I mean, I understand, I can be reserved, but make a stand- if you are wrong, or someone points out it doesn't make sense, admit it and move on- But don't sheep! Make a position and defense it. (<3 WhiteRa) Speaking of which, Yes Holyflare- I will work on my read on Deus in a minute. | ||
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Alakaslam
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But please clarify LoneMeow? | ||
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Alakaslam
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However, most of his filter looks too town for the above to be more than early mistakes like we all made. | ||
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Alakaslam
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On August 17 2013 08:15 iVLosK! wrote: I'm hurt babe. I've already examined all of your filters earlier today while waiting for a truck to come in to the warehouse. Well what, I mean, I played along- wait a minute. So Holyflare, why didn't I get any fire for playing along with iVLosk? Did you notice that I posted about "Watching him with 75 energy" & stuff? & "Can't touch him without an upgrade"? But then I was all  iVLosK! the professional scum, and look who Holy tries to lynch.Dang it everyone scummy again, Please xplain ppl. Especially you Holyflare? Was that a meta blind eye or ? | ||
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Alakaslam
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On August 17 2013 08:38 Holyflare wrote: I have played a game with you and have become pretty clear on your spam and contribution posts, you have actually posted reads and are willing to entertain scenarios, much like i am, that can force information out of people. While yes you have spam you also have useful bits of info. Ivlosk has really nothing in his favour so far, not that I am totally accusing him but I do not like hypocrisy and he has not contributed YET. This is still obviously early and I'd like to hear more from him. A.K.A. yes. Try not to do that too much though, although it is true, more games are available for my meta than most newbies so I guess cheating in that sense regarding me is ok xD. In fact it may be all I have to go on at Lylo. Me too on hear more from iVLosK! | ||
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Alakaslam
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On August 17 2013 09:07 DeusXmachina wrote: Lets entertain a scenario. Reps or Xzavier are completely aware that the game has started and are intentionally not posting. They don't feel any real pressure so they aim to do several things: A) Contribute nothing to increase the chances of a no-lynch day 1 B) Contribute nothing to avoid mistakes or posts that could get them unwanted attention. or the less likely C) Play a lurker roll so their scum buddy can bus them. How easy would it be to drop in and say, "oh sorry guys I couldn't post because.... blah.. blah.. blah...". Some of you are already assuming that they are just afk. Why are we tolerating lurkers? I haven't voted yet, but I agree- however flare pointed out that when the time comes we'll go after them if they are still lurking near deadline. For now, we focus on actives because that's where it's at. | ||
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Alakaslam
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On August 17 2013 09:19 reps)squishy wrote: This one liner is pretty funny. It's like I am not a Lurker ahhh!!! I as far as who we lynch always the most obvious person day1. If you don't have a super obvious person day 1 go lurker. And as the games go on Liars over Lurkers. Some people have alot of IRL stuff going on but if they don't contribute they need to go. As far as Alakaslams videos and iVLosK!'s rap + Show Spoiler + Holla-Holla-Loo-Yuh I am Mafia's big swinging ding-a-ling, make 'em sing. Holla-Holla-Loo-Yuh I am everything you ever were afraid of. Holla-Holla-Loo-Yuh I am Mafia's big swinging ding-a-ling, make 'em sing. Holla-Holla Loo-Yuh Yeah, you rappers bore me, I wanna kill you Do it for me and I'll holla-holla. I do mind it very much. But when it gets repetitive I will not tolerate it. Hiya! Glad you're here. Have you listened to Chloe? The most relevant stuff is up to 0:55 and the most relevant part follows immediately. "You DON'T say!" "WHERE ARE YOU YOU OLD BAT" It's my lurker siren. Better than a list post, as it's more personal. A fast way to state my opinion on it. As for page 35 FTW type stuff I promise not to do that unless you seem like you are actually scum this time. Also, the lynch style is different. So we are more encouraged to stick to our guns. And believe me, I am trying hard to tone it down but I get the juices flowing... I mean really I can be nuts like 3 vids one page & stuff. I promise to not do that here. | ||
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On August 17 2013 09:38 DeusXmachina wrote: I am growing suspicious of iV. The way he handled holy's pressure seems scummy. He seemed more interested in discrediting Holy than actually contributing. + Show Spoiler + On August 17 2013 09:09 iVLosK! wrote: "I noticed it" =/= "this is scummy". It's sorta more like what you're doing. Putting together a case on me without actually voting me. Read D1 of my first game on this site. I don't like that shit and happily lynch people who do it. This is a good example. Attacks holy and contributes nothing to town. Ok. But I say be wary of conclusion jumping, see what does he say that would contribute? Defending is null, not scummy. How do you establish your innocence if you don't defend when attacked? I didn't realize this another game and refused to defend vs. Hurricane sponge on principle and starte attacking people to defend myself... ... I was almost lynched, and I talked to a coach and he basically said why the hell would you ever not defend- and that defense was the only reason I wasn't lynched. PRIORITY 1: ESTABLISH YOUR OWN INNOCENCE hi | ||
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Alakaslam
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The butt doctor And discrediting a player's statements can be a good thing to do. (Eg HolyFlare being scum- haven't ruled that out). If the statement hasn't got merit it should be discredited, right? Disclaimer: do I agree with iVLosk? Possibly. I need to weigh it all. | ||
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On August 17 2013 09:49 reps)squishy wrote: I read all pages so far. I am suspicious of iV. He believes in lynch all liers and also stated town has plenty of reasons to lie. Is it me or does that seem a little scummy. Proof. 1. 2. (Blinks) Reps, thou hast grown That is straight up pretty good, iVLosk what say thou? Must convince me to move my ##Vote: iVLosK! | ||
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