EPTOn September 21 2013 14:33 geript wrote:
Thought process does not ever catch me as scum. I will not move my vote period.
Thought process does not ever catch me as scum. I will not move my vote period.
Is that because you don't think? HUE.
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On September 21 2013 14:33 Mocsta wrote: Lets do this, bish. (1) DP in his TL;DR never spoke about you. Stop being a narcissist like DP. (2) So you are saying (whilst wearing your heart on the sleeve) that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off?... Chrust (sic) back to you.. (3) Nice. If you are going to accuse me of "twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way"; then at least explain it. This reads as an outright smear campaign. Justify this pl0x. 1) I'm not talking about DP I'm talking about geript. I'm not a narcissist, I'm just pointing out that OH WAIT LOOKIE HERE On September 21 2013 12:40 DarthPunk wrote: The thing is. He should have already posted and discussed all this if he is as convinced I am scum as he seems. It is telling that he did not. It is scummy that he tried to get VE to do it for him. HE DID MENTION ME GOSH GOLLY GEE!!! 2) No I'm not saying "that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off". That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that it's suspicious that he wanted ME to make a case on DP instead of explaining his reasoning himself. He was content that I was suspicious of DP and voting for him. That IS suspicious Mocsta, whether it's D1 or D9. 3) See the previous 2 points. You're literally opting out of reading the thread, yet are calling my and DP's suspicion of geript bullshit and trying to get the thread to look elsewhere. You're now IN ADDITION trying to contort my own words to suit your own interpretation of them. This is all in the thread and I have to explain nothing, because it's what you're doing. Twice in this post you've said I'm saying things that I'm not. Twice in this one post Mocsta. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2013 14:33 Mocsta wrote: Lets do this, bish. (1) DP in his TL;DR never spoke about you. Stop being a narcissist like DP. (2) So you are saying (whilst wearing your heart on the sleeve) that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off?... Chrust (sic) back to you.. (3) Nice. If you are going to accuse me of "twisting things around here and it's being done in a very scummy way"; then at least explain it. This reads as an outright smear campaign. Justify this pl0x. 1) I'm not talking about DP I'm talking about geript. I'm not a narcissist, I'm just pointing out that OH WAIT LOOKIE HERE On September 21 2013 12:40 DarthPunk wrote: The thing is. He should have already posted and discussed all this if he is as convinced I am scum as he seems. It is telling that he did not. It is scummy that he tried to get VE to do it for him. HE DID MENTION ME GOSH GOLLY GEE!!! 2) No I'm not saying "that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off". That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that it's suspicious that he wanted ME to make a case on DP instead of explaining his reasoning himself. He was content that I was suspicious of DP and voting for him. That IS suspicious Mocsta, whether it's D1 or D9. 3) See the previous 2 points. You're literally opting out of reading the thread, yet are calling my and DP's suspicion of geript bullshit and trying to get the thread to look elsewhere. You're now IN ADDITION trying to contort my own words to suit your own interpretation of them. This is all in the thread and I have to explain nothing, because it's what you're doing. Twice in this post you've said I'm saying things that I'm not. Twice in this one post Mocsta. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=31#615 That is what I have been basing my comments on. VE is not mentioned. Pretty clear and simple. Now, unlike DP TL;DR; yours actually reads as it has merit. I will re-read that section of play and weigh in when im back. + Show Spoiler + As an aside; but not relevant anymore. Point 3 is an absolute joke. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Before i gp. Mocsta, what's your reafd on me ? Irritating as usual. That we both had an early distaste on Koshi makes me want to like you as a town. But realistically, firmly null for the time being. And seriously. Stop posting drunk. If you want to be respected in any games, you need to stop doing that. | ||
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Srs though plz just make some time to read everything that's happened. Put emphasis on geript, the timing of how it all went down. Now: in response to your Pandain push, I'll certainly read what he has to say when he comes back. Is it weird that he hasn't posted since pregame? Yes. Is it damning? Absolutely not. No matter what he says when he comes back, it will tell us more about his alignment than the fact that he hasn't posted yet now. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'M WATCHING YOU MOCSTA. DON'T GET CAUGHT SLIPPIN BRO. Srs though plz just make some time to read everything that's happened. Put emphasis on geript, the timing of how it all went down. Now: in response to your Pandain push, I'll certainly read what he has to say when he comes back. Is it weird that he hasn't posted since pregame? Yes. Is it damning? Absolutely not. No matter what he says when he comes back, it will tell us more about his alignment than the fact that he hasn't posted yet now. im actually building a chair atm, and then have to shoot off. But like i said, when i get back I will re-read it all. Yes emphasis Geript. If what you say is true (About manipulation), early day1, that is indeed scummy. As for pandain, yes that is why i called it an observation. It is indeed critical for him to respond to the thread though sooner than later. | ||
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Umasi
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On September 21 2013 11:55 kushm4sta wrote: btw dp i think you are totally metaable and i plan to do it today to assert my mafia dominance over you Well if you're both town and you meta him properly, that's not really asserting dominance, that's both him and you playing properly. So either you assume he's scum, or you're scum and he's town. afaik you haven't voted him, so I'm wondering what this post was playing at. Regarding Pandain afking though, kush is correct, pandain will only post in thread when he has things worth mentioning/agenda worth pressing, and he'll specifically be quiet during points to bait out responses. Idk if he is town or mafia in the game since it's still ongoing (had a townread on him at the end of the mason cycle), so it's not that strange to me that he's not around. On September 21 2013 11:43 geript wrote: DarthPunk not being enough of an asshole. He's not town. On September 21 2013 12:49 geript wrote: You keep spewing complete bullshit. I'm not going to drop a big as meta case. My points aren't based on meta. I'm not making shit about meta. I only use meta to read a very few people and for the rest it's just a way to accuse people. You're scum flat out get over it. Isn't your reason for voting him initially specifically because of meta? Like, you wouldn't have come to this conclusion if you were playing your first game for him, right? I have a townread on DP atm after reading the exchange, and I'm specifically confused by your outright lies, and idk if you're just scum or confused. It feels like you've tried to inject useless garbage into the thread, specifically by saying things that are in no way creating a pro-town environment, On September 21 2013 13:00 geript wrote: Ok. Well you either get lynched today or I shoot you until you're dead. Enjoy bish. like that. I hate reading when people just shout 'HE'S SCUM HE'S SCUM' constantly, nothing really results from it that benefits town. ATM Geript is scummiest, suspicious of kush a little bit | ||
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On September 21 2013 11:34 DarthPunk wrote: So basically I agree with rayn, I want mocsta to tell us all he is policy voting Kush. This is an exceptionally passive way to tell Moc to do what he wants. It's an easy way to blend in and say nothing. It's like he's ordering a pizza, "I want a large with a side of Mocsta suggestions." Yes this is the type of thing that DP says at town numerous times in numerous games but additionally in those games this tends to come after a larger read or explanation or push. There's nothing important here whatsoever. On September 21 2013 11:44 DarthPunk wrote: He did the same thing as town in The Game. Or something similar. I jumped all over his arse for it then and he ended up tunnelling me stupidly in response. I don't think it really means anything nor do I think it is alignment indicative. I just thought it would be funny to CC an early VE vote. Cause, you know, he would get all butthurt. Haha. I absolutely loathe the "Haha" here. It doesn't follow from a town sentiment. It isn't a natural progression from "CC an early VE" vote to "VE gets all butthurt" to "Haha." The natural progression is: "take action to piss off VE" to "VE gets all butthurt" to "VE overreacts and shows his alignment" to "Haha." There's no push here to try and do anything to get a read here. This is just further filler fluff. On September 21 2013 12:07 DarthPunk wrote: Why not? It would help me read you both, So kind of useful for me. Town fights can be incredibly useful. It's often quite easy to convince town to detunnel and have 2 confirmed town. DP knows this. DP's gotten in shitfests a bunch. What we see here is not that DP is willing to get into a shitfest to get a read, but that he wants to start outside shitfests. He wants to create room to hide in the middle. On September 21 2013 12:19 DarthPunk wrote: I mean they aren't like super solid or anything, but both are in the thread posting at the start of the game which is more often townies than not. A few meta things from rayn and I liked his questioning about tunnelling VE. VE seems pretty townie due to his butthurt and the way he identified something really scummy and not super obvious about the way geript was behaving which I liked. Obviously this is all subject to change but I think it is likely that VE and rayn are town. Next, he's all over VE and Rayn both being town. I think he wants to make a doll that reads VE and Rayn are town and then marry it he's so enamored with the idea over and over and over. It's the comfort zone he falls into. I don't have a problem with that per se (although it's hella early to have 75% or better townreads so ridiculously early in the game when both look firmly null), it's that he's not thinking about that any further or pushing or prodding other people to find reads on them. He's not painting players green and moving on to re-look at them later to reaffirm or deny that read. On September 21 2013 12:14 DarthPunk wrote: I think this is really key when deciding if geript is town or scum. Like before you pointed this out VE I was basically assuming he was just bad town. But trying to push me THROUGH you is actually scummy rather than just bad. Not only does he do a generic +1 on me through VE, ironically, he can't even make up his mind on if I'm scum or if I'm town. I play however the fuck I want when I want how I want; but he's red on me and isn't willing to pressure me one of any number of available ways (directly by interaction, indirectly by amassing votes, etc.). He's fine with putting his toes in the water but not dive head in yet again. Scum. Straight up. | ||
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On September 21 2013 14:44 VisceraEyes wrote: 2) No I'm not saying "that early Day1: it is expected for scum to be controversial and then just say, im fucking off". That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that it's suspicious that he wanted ME to make a case on DP instead of explaining his reasoning himself. He was content that I was suspicious of DP and voting for him. That IS suspicious Mocsta, whether it's D1 or D9. That wasn't my sentiment at all. I just thought that your suspicion on him was for the wrong post. DGAF if you wrote a case or not. | ||
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On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: This is an exceptionally passive way to tell Moc to do what he wants. It's an easy way to blend in and say nothing. It's like he's ordering a pizza, "I want a large with a side of Mocsta suggestions." Yes this is the type of thing that DP says at town numerous times in numerous games but additionally in those games this tends to come after a larger read or explanation or push. There's nothing important here whatsoever. It was like my second post of the game and within minutes of the game starting. Not sure what kind of push or case or read you expect to precede my second post of the game. On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: I absolutely loathe the "Haha" here. It doesn't follow from a town sentiment. It isn't a natural progression from "CC an early VE" vote to "VE gets all butthurt" to "Haha." The natural progression is: "take action to piss off VE" to "VE gets all butthurt" to "VE overreacts and shows his alignment" to "Haha." There's no push here to try and do anything to get a read here. This is just further filler fluff. Of course that part was fluff. That part was joking about VE getting butthurt from me Voting him early (i didn't BTW) Just jokes at the start of the game referencing the meta between VE and myself (tunnel and rage at each other often) On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: Town fights can be incredibly useful. It's often quite easy to convince town to detunnel and have 2 confirmed town. DP knows this. DP's gotten in shitfests a bunch. What we see here is not that DP is willing to get into a shitfest to get a read, but that he wants to start outside shitfests. He wants to create room to hide in the middle. You acknowledge that town fights are incredibly useful for town and that I know this. So how does not minding a shitfight between two players make me scum? After you state it is useful for TOWN. On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: Next, he's all over VE and Rayn both being town. I think he wants to make a doll that reads VE and Rayn are town and then marry it he's so enamored with the idea over and over and over. It's the comfort zone he falls into. I don't have a problem with that per se (although it's hella early to have 75% or better townreads so ridiculously early in the game when both look firmly null), it's that he's not thinking about that any further or pushing or prodding other people to find reads on them. He's not painting players green and moving on to re-look at them later to reaffirm or deny that read. You realise that 75% thing was a joke right. That is why i laughed in the post you didn't quote as soon as I said it. It was referencing EGO mini and Hydra mini. It also happens to be the base chance that someone is town by default as roughly 3/4 of the players are town. Regardless of the joke you didn't quote. Both Rayn and VE are Very solid town reads for me. On September 21 2013 15:07 geript wrote: Not only does he do a generic +1 on me through VE, ironically, he can't even make up his mind on if I'm scum or if I'm town. I play however the fuck I want when I want how I want; but he's red on me and isn't willing to pressure me one of any number of available ways (directly by interaction, indirectly by amassing votes, etc.). He's fine with putting his toes in the water but not dive head in yet again. Scum. Straight up. Firstly I am not sure if you are scum or just really bad as I said several times Well I was asked to stop interacting with you by several people so I did so. It ceased to be productive and the info was in the thread. Of course I agreed with VE"s post. It was good and I explained why I thought so. The difference is you said absolutely nothing whilst prodding VE who was voting for me to go at me. Very, Very different. You have said a lot but nothing actually useful and certainly nothing that makes me 'straight up scum' I responded to your 'case' and frankly just responding gives it far more credit than it deserves. I certainly won't respond again. | ||
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