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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
October 02 2013 00:13 GMT
#5721
On October 02 2013 09:02 iamperfection wrote:
sometimes...

i dont even know how that happened


[image loading]
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 02 2013 00:13 GMT
#5722
wat
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 02 2013 00:15 GMT
#5723
If you actually read my filter there are several town tells for me in this game and as you have seen before and seen somewhat this game i am extremmly good at figuring out that people are town.

1. I bothered to read the entire thread when i replaced in. Yes i could be a dedicated scum player but the likely hood that i would read the entire thread and post my thoughts is more likely to come from town

2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=172#3425 scum don't like to be center of attention i posted this when the thread was dead they don't like being talked about. The like to feign contribution and look good not actually contribute.

3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=193#3842 why would i want marv to come back and steer the vote onto cephiro. This point dosn't have any wifom and is confirmed fact.

4. another non wifom point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=226#4516 why the fuck would i want marv to comment on me it was pretty clear that he was leaning scum on me. There is no reason in the world i would want marv to call me scum as scum

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 02 2013 00:16 GMT
#5724
On October 02 2013 09:13 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 09:02 iamperfection wrote:
sometimes...

i dont even know how that happened


[image loading]

stfu kita
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 02 2013 00:18 GMT
#5725
I will say iamp, i have been mulling over you heaps on my bus ride to work.

Because like mattchew, you were adamant that I was town, even though pushing you.
I just don't get why scum would say that. Its not an ego tell; more so, it pertains to town transparency.

My preference for lynch is still FirmTofu, but I doubt I can get traction.

So
Where do you stand with Stutters695? (Apologies if you have commented, I actually can't remember)
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 02 2013 00:19 GMT
#5726
so if your town stop voting me or explain how those 4 points are wrong

you cant so you must unvote me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 02 2013 00:19 GMT
#5727
On October 02 2013 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:
wat

Was that to me?

I thought it went:
N1 - OO
N2 - No RB claim
N3 - Zaragon

Where did you get a RB?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 02 2013 00:20 GMT
#5728
On October 02 2013 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
I will say iamp, i have been mulling over you heaps on my bus ride to work.

Because like mattchew, you were adamant that I was town, even though pushing you.
I just don't get why scum would say that. Its not an ego tell; more so, it pertains to town transparency.

My preference for lynch is still FirmTofu, but I doubt I can get traction.

So
Where do you stand with Stutters695? (Apologies if you have commented, I actually can't remember)

i think stutters is a horrendous player but i said before i think he might actually be town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 02 2013 00:22 GMT
#5729
On October 02 2013 09:20 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 09:18 Mocsta wrote:
I will say iamp, i have been mulling over you heaps on my bus ride to work.

Because like mattchew, you were adamant that I was town, even though pushing you.
I just don't get why scum would say that. Its not an ego tell; more so, it pertains to town transparency.

My preference for lynch is still FirmTofu, but I doubt I can get traction.

So
Where do you stand with Stutters695? (Apologies if you have commented, I actually can't remember)

i think stutters is a horrendous player but i said before i think he might actually be town.

Fuck me, this is doing my head in.

I'm currently reading pandain/deconduo stuff; can you please quote for me where you give your reasoning for stutters being town?

And who is your preferred lynch candidate?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 02 2013 00:23 GMT
#5730
On October 02 2013 03:15 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 03:03 Risen wrote:
On October 02 2013 03:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Stutters is the coinflip here. He looks bad for voting LM but at least he is consistent because he voted him Day1 and Day2. Apart from that no information to be had.

You're disregarding the post you yourself pointed out to me earlier. It's not a coin flip, he has played scummy this game, and he's managed to do it in a filter as short as his is. Decon has done that too!

i have been thinking about stutter more and i think he may just turn into a mislynch. his play is kind of sucidal as scum just in the way grepit did with his shenanigans. Making promises and not following through while horrible would be more likely to come from town than scum. Scum care more about image than town.

unfortunate but it is what it is.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 02 2013 00:23 GMT
#5731
Is this your whole defense?
On October 02 2013 09:15 iamperfection wrote:
If you actually read my filter there are several town tells for me in this game and as you have seen before and seen somewhat this game i am extremmly good at figuring out that people are town.

1. I bothered to read the entire thread when i replaced in. Yes i could be a dedicated scum player but the likely hood that i would read the entire thread and post my thoughts is more likely to come from town

2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=172#3425 scum don't like to be center of attention i posted this when the thread was dead they don't like being talked about. The like to feign contribution and look good not actually contribute.

3. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=193#3842 why would i want marv to come back and steer the vote onto cephiro. This point dosn't have any wifom and is confirmed fact.

4. another non wifom point http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=226#4516 why the fuck would i want marv to comment on me it was pretty clear that he was leaning scum on me. There is no reason in the world i would want marv to call me scum as scum


1. I think this is a weak point.
2. This is a weak point too. Why would scum not push their cases to some extent?
3. It doesn't work like that. You talking about him won't summon marv into the thread. Maybe you just wanted to test if he was there.
4. Similar point. Asking him of your opinion won't make marv lean scum on you. You are very interested in the opinion of others about your alignment as shown in another post where you ask everyone to comment on you.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 02 2013 00:24 GMT
#5732
On October 02 2013 09:19 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:
wat

Was that to me?

I thought it went:
N1 - OO
N2 - No RB claim
N3 - Zaragon

Where did you get a RB?

Zaragon died night 3.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 02 2013 00:26 GMT
#5733
On October 02 2013 09:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 09:19 Mocsta wrote:
On October 02 2013 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:
wat

Was that to me?

I thought it went:
N1 - OO
N2 - No RB claim
N3 - Zaragon

Where did you get a RB?

Zaragon died night 3.

OK, so Zaragon was RB N2.

Zaragon was definitely RB'd.. he chucked the shits at me for asking about it.
So are you saying you got RB'd N3? --> Cos you haven't actually said yes in any of the back/forth?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 02 2013 00:28 GMT
#5734
like i think rayn is scum im like 90% sure his responses during my questioning bug me as well

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&currentpage=277#5525

he thinks in this crucial lynch im the best chance but look around that time how he argues with me its not like kitas town questioning trying to discern alignments its your so bad iamp and your so stupid. he isnt trying to figure out alignments he already knows it. He is just calling me bad not scum which is unacceptable for this lynch and shows a scum mindset because he actually doesn't care about figuring out my alignment.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
October 02 2013 00:28 GMT
#5735
On September 30 2013 11:21 justanothertownie wrote:
I was roleblocked.

N3.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 02 2013 00:28 GMT
#5736
On October 02 2013 09:23 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 03:15 iamperfection wrote:
On October 02 2013 03:03 Risen wrote:
On October 02 2013 03:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Stutters is the coinflip here. He looks bad for voting LM but at least he is consistent because he voted him Day1 and Day2. Apart from that no information to be had.

You're disregarding the post you yourself pointed out to me earlier. It's not a coin flip, he has played scummy this game, and he's managed to do it in a filter as short as his is. Decon has done that too!

i have been thinking about stutter more and i think he may just turn into a mislynch. his play is kind of sucidal as scum just in the way grepit did with his shenanigans. Making promises and not following through while horrible would be more likely to come from town than scum. Scum care more about image than town.

unfortunate but it is what it is.


See I dont like this iamp.

You are justifying a read on Stutters, by applying the tells of a flipped town to Mr.X (Stutters)
I think thats relatively deceitful/fallacious in general.

And why is making promises and not following through likely to come from town?
Was not Cephiro lynched for that exact reason?

Scum and town equally care about image. You need town cred as either alignment to push a lynch.
This is *VERY* poor reasoning.

You are back on my shit list heavily.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 02 2013 00:30 GMT
#5737
On October 02 2013 09:28 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2013 09:23 iamperfection wrote:
On October 02 2013 03:15 iamperfection wrote:
On October 02 2013 03:03 Risen wrote:
On October 02 2013 03:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Stutters is the coinflip here. He looks bad for voting LM but at least he is consistent because he voted him Day1 and Day2. Apart from that no information to be had.

You're disregarding the post you yourself pointed out to me earlier. It's not a coin flip, he has played scummy this game, and he's managed to do it in a filter as short as his is. Decon has done that too!

i have been thinking about stutter more and i think he may just turn into a mislynch. his play is kind of sucidal as scum just in the way grepit did with his shenanigans. Making promises and not following through while horrible would be more likely to come from town than scum. Scum care more about image than town.

unfortunate but it is what it is.


See I dont like this iamp.

You are justifying a read on Stutters, by applying the tells of a flipped town to Mr.X (Stutters)
I think thats relatively deceitful/fallacious in general.

And why is making promises and not following through likely to come from town?
Was not Cephiro lynched for that exact reason?

Scum and town equally care about image. You need town cred as either alignment to push a lynch.
This is *VERY* poor reasoning.

You are back on my shit list heavily.

whats scummy about it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
October 02 2013 00:30 GMT
#5738
i dont give a fuck if you like it or not its what i think.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
October 02 2013 00:30 GMT
#5739
On October 02 2013 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2013 11:21 justanothertownie wrote:
I was roleblocked.

N3.

I will call you confirmed because I had a hard town read on you then + the RB.
But as the game progresses, RB means less (as blues may all be gone etc) so its easier for scum to justify RB themselves.

N1 there is certainly no benefit to RB scum. Which is why OO is confirmed just off that action.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
October 02 2013 00:30 GMT
#5740
Not really going to defend Iamp as pro town enough as he should hopefully defend himself well enough in that regards.

I instead will be talking about the three lynches today in Stutters, FT, and Decondou.

Stutters is not a bad lynch, and maybe I got too agressive with how confident I am with decondou. The fact is he is simply not the best nor the most logical lynch today. If it's between iamp or stutters I will lynch stutters, but I think there are outside factors which blend into stutters possibly being town, namely not giving a shit. I heavily compare and contrast stutters with decondou as their essentially in the same boat and the same scum playstyle, and I have to conclude, as I'll mention later, that he's a worse lynch then decondou. I am not defending stutters as pro town, however.

FT I think is still a good lynch. Marv, DP, and Yamato all had their eyes on him so maybe I missed something there. Furthermore his responses have been bad in this thread and he is not really pushing anyone or helping me lynch decondou who he says he is suspicious of. Doesn't make sense from a town mindset. The lynch seems to have died down, however, so we can deal with it tommorow and I'll look into his previous games more.

Decondou, as I'll repeat, and I beg you to read my analysis. His meta is not lurking, he is a good contributor. There's an explanation that he doesn't have the time to keep up, but that's counteracted by posts he says which clearly show that he's understanding where the thread is. It is not fitting with his playstyle as an experienced player either to hide in the shadows. I only seem scum motivations.

He defend Cephiro when there was a chance of saving him and then bandwagoned him with weak reasoning later on when it was obvious he was going to be lynched. He didn't repeat his previous reasons why he thought Cephiro is town and instead was content to let him lynch. Isn't indicative of town.

No one has shared a reason why decondou is town because there is no reason. There is only a scum mindset and thus only a scum play. He is most suspicious out of everyone and I would like people to not just follow a bad bandwagon on iamp, and instead lynch who they think is most likely to be scum. And I hope I have shown it is decondou.
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