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FT: His posting on DP feels honest. The only concern I see there is his focus on meta, which is always an easy way for scum to hide a push. His backing off of DP also feels genuine. The issue here to me is that is all he did d1. In that context, it is conceivable he manufactured his change of heart to really avoid taking a bigger stance.
I don't like his list of vig targets considering he just said that creating a list let's scum know who to avoid. I'm null on it though because his list is so vague that it doesn't tell scum anything they wouldn't know.
His case on Za didn't impress me and Marv's point is something I agree with. His next read is on Koshi but what bothers me is when he mentions Koshi, it's that he THOUGHT Koshi was scum, not that he thinks he's scum. He was apathetic about Koshi while saying apathy is a scum tell. I don't buy that.
I'm not going to pick apart his individual cases because the issues would just be rehashed , but I really don't like his dropping a case then not actually trying to get them lynched.
I'm in a rush, so to wrap this up, FT lacks any real conviction except trying to avoid himself.getting lynched.
That said my preference is iamp. there is enough in FTs filter to make me doubt it, where there is only one thing I'm unsure of with iamp.
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On October 02 2013 05:26 Pandain wrote:
I have to go practice for a university club, afterwards I will return.
Hopefully others will see my points, otherwise I'm going to vote either FT or stutters since Stutters just gave an awful re-entrance post.
Will be back later and follow on my phone.
Care to explain or you just flinging shit?
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Could you share your general scumreads apart from the lynch targets stutters?
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Even without reasoning that would be better than nothing.
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Once iamp flips scum, I'll be looking heavily at Pandain. He's thrown so much shit out that it feels like he's defending iamp to save KP.
Also going to look into Kita some more, but I'll have more time to really do that tomorrow while my car is at the shop.
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I'm also not sold on Moc being town but I feel like there has to be a scum amongst the active. Moc is my first guess, maybe someone else, who knows
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Stutters are you even reading the thread.
Why has the FT lynch died.
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People need to be heavily analyzed after this. When does lynch end
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On October 02 2013 04:01 Pandain wrote:And there-in lies my point. No one knows. Decondou is an old school mafia player who I have played with several times. In fact he is one of the best mafia players and really good at analysis. Here is his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=deconduo&view=allDespite his experience he has been lurking heavily since day two. He has posted analysis but never pushed anything, indicative of scum never following up on their reads. Also look what he feels about Ceph: Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 09:26 deconduo wrote:I don't actually think marv is scum. Look at his reaction to when LM claimed doc: On September 26 2013 10:52 Cephiro wrote:
That claim, what the fuck!? I'm not sure if I should believe it or not x_x Then again if he IS the town doc it's better that I get lynched instead of him, and I'm not leading by many votes.... fucking claims like 10 mins before deadline? Counterclaims anyone? That's a very un-scumlike reaction. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 09:32 deconduo wrote:On September 27 2013 09:28 iamperfection wrote:
decondu why did you not respond when people were calling you out but the proceed to happen to be around the deadline? Where were people calling me out? Also I usually wouldn't be around at the deadline (4am my time), insomnia kept me awake last night. On September 27 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 09:26 deconduo wrote:I don't actually think marv is scum. Look at his reaction to when LM claimed doc: On September 26 2013 10:52 Cephiro wrote:
That claim, what the fuck!? I'm not sure if I should believe it or not x_x Then again if he IS the town doc it's better that I get lynched instead of him, and I'm not leading by many votes.... fucking claims like 10 mins before deadline? Counterclaims anyone? That's a very un-scumlike reaction. I find it negated by the red statement that follows. In a game with unknown quantities of roles, a counterclaim wouldn't really do anything to prove whether LM was lying. Verily, we HAD a counterclaim and...he wasn't lying. I had the same thought, but I couldn't reconcile it with the request for counterclaims. Am I wrong? Yeah, maybe you're right. I just can't imagine a scum posting that line completely off the cuff. Despite this he ends up voting him later on, and for different reasons. Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 01:47 deconduo wrote:
It always unnerves me when there's no resistance to a lynch. However I can't offer any good alternatives.
## Vote Cephiro I could see Stutters being town. He is obviously not following the thread closely and hasn't even voted yet and might be modkilled. However decondou with posts like this: + Show Spoiler +On September 24 2013 07:14 deconduo wrote:First off, a 5/6 vote lynch in a 30 player game is pretty terrible. We need to be a lot more consolidated in our lynches or we'll be torn apart later on. I know there was some confusion over the deadline but that's still only a 2 hour difference. I've tried to skim through the thread and as many relevant filters as possible, but there's a massive amount of reading to do. However I noticed that yamato has an awful lot of filler and not much actual content. Stuff like this: Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 11:40 yamato77 wrote:
Vote shenanigans make FT likely mafia And this: Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:25 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:24 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 08:23 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:12 ObviousOne wrote:On September 23 2013 08:11 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:08 ObviousOne wrote:
Yeah let's do Mocsta. Why? The reasons you came up with are not lining up for me. Because he's disruptive and a jerk and It will make me feel good. Can you expand this reasoning to include specific references? No thanks. I'm good. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 08:36 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:35 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:34 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:31 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:29 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:27 Koshi wrote:On September 23 2013 08:02 yamato77 wrote:On September 23 2013 08:01 Koshi wrote:
@yamato77: Well, his first post was a really easy way for scum to enter the thread. Say some stuff about himself mainly that his reads are bad and that you shouldn't pay too much attention to him. Ending with being open for questions if there are any.
@rayn: WoS made a big ass post about secret taktics and it reminded me of his sekret tactics in Persona.
@marv: I am here, reading everything. I don't know what to do.
@JAT: Yes, I play different this time. I think it is because it is a big game now. I don't remember what I did right in Aperture that I am not doing now, probably activity. Read through his vote on LoneMeow and give me your honest interpretation. On September 23 2013 04:31 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 23 2013 04:14 LoneMeow wrote:
I can't get a scum read on anyone but Umasi, and I'm notoriously biased against him so that's almost guaranteed to be wrong. I'll vote him anyway since I have to vote someone. Not sure I'll wake up for the deadline but I'll try.
Chairman Ray is lynchbait like in my last newbie, so probably town. IMHO his "last hour shenigans" plan is terrible, though.
##Vote: Umasi
Here for a while if you want to ask me something. Why would you say that voting Umasi is a terrible idea, yet vote him anyways? It seems to me like you are scum trying to get achieve a town mislynch D1, but unable to muster up any strong cases on anybody. So instead of posting a weak case against them and have everyone call you out on it, you beat us to the punch by telling us your case is poor to begin with. If you are really town, then a town who intentionally makes a bad vote is still hurting town.##Vote: LoneMeow I actually have no problem with the reason why CR voted LM. But that last sentence is really strange. Remove that last sentence and I actually like it, but that last sentence is just strange. Don't know why that was added. So, outside of his first post, is there anything meaningful that would make you lean one way or the other about him? Well he is attacking me for 2 reasons that you shut down immediately. He even brought it up again and you shot it down again. After that he is still on my ass. Dnu, what that is all about. Meh, he explained it well enough IMO. I'm having second thoughts about his lynch. Well, find us somebody else! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz This sort of stuff is scattered throughout his filter, though he does have the occasional content post.
Far worse however is Risen. He repeated calls out filler posts: Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 03:27 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 02:53 kushm4sta wrote:
Lol wtf is the point of all these detailed as Fuck vig lists It's so people can look active without actually doing anything. Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 06:36 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 06:01 marvellosity wrote:
FT is a decent shot primarily because he might be mafia but also it gives us lots of information on the wagons. Knowing if it was town/town or town/mafia would be really nice.
Risen I'd like to see dead for being a worse version of coag. To repeat, his reaction to the lynch was "rofl" and his only contribution since then was saying something that VE had already pointed out in his own post. Since when is self-excusing fillpost a good post? Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 08:12 Risen wrote:On September 22 2013 08:08 kushm4sta wrote:On September 22 2013 02:38 Stutters695 wrote:On September 22 2013 02:12 kushm4sta wrote:
how am i thread police stutters? By asking for modkills, calling people out for spamming instead of playing? I'd say it's a fitting description Asking for modkills was a joke mostly. Obviously it wasn't going to happen. Telling them to stop spamming was definitely a joke. Notice how I used 2 posts unnecessarily and thus spammed myself This is useless/bad/filler Yet he doesn't have a single post in his <1 page filter worth reading. As far as vig shots go, he would be at the top of the list.
Mostly for my own benefit, but might help others Day/Night Posts + Show Spoiler +Filters + Show Spoiler + Clearly shows his interest. The question then becomes, why does he not post what he feels? Why has he not pushed anything? He is an exagerrated form of Stutters and more likely to flip scum then him. He is not playing to his normal quality and has no reason to unless scum as he clearly shows interest. I think Iamp is town and you guys are over-exagerrating. Being doubtful of a medic claim isn't that scum-like, in fact I would think that scum would instantly bandwagon for mocsta to try and gain town cred. He has been posting good reads and contributing. He is one of the few players I have a town read on and it would be retarded to lynch him. FT I would still lynch, however, but decondou is by far the better lynch. Stutters is a distant third now, especially since he might be modkilled.
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Kita why don't you address my arguments
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On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:
So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right?
Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up.
Is this even a question of course it's a town tell considering who we have left.
Risen, CC, Iamp town. Kita maybe, if he just responded to me I would have a total town read.
OO probably town too
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On October 02 2013 07:32 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:
So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right?
Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up. Is this even a question of course it's a town tell considering who we have left. Risen, CC, Iamp town. Kita maybe, if he just responded to me I would have a total town read. OO probably town too
Just because there are worse players left the good players don't have to be investigated for playing badly? Is that what you are saying?
I agree on CC although he made some very questionable decisions and I hope to god Kita is town. Risen i am unsure of and if ObviousOne wasn't the only one who claimed to be roleblocked N1 I would be highly suspicious of him by now. For that he is probably town...
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Everyone please tell me why decondou isn't scum I've literally heard no read why only that others seem scummier. But I think the fact he has no redeeming qualities speaks for itself.
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On October 02 2013 07:39 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 07:32 Pandain wrote:On October 02 2013 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:
So, Pandain. Your defense of iamp basically consists of: he made some posts, gave some reads -> has to be town right?
Apart from the WIFOM I already brought up. Is this even a question of course it's a town tell considering who we have left. Risen, CC, Iamp town. Kita maybe, if he just responded to me I would have a total town read. OO probably town too Just because there are worse players left the good players don't have to be investigated for playing badly? Is that what you are saying? I agree on CC although he made some very questionable decisions and I hope to god Kita is town. Risen i am unsure of and if ObviousOne wasn't the only one who claimed to be roleblocked N1 I would be highly suspicious of him by now. For that he is probably town...
Ignore everything else why is decondou not scum
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Mocsta still awake I see.
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I don't know if deconduo is scum. Never said he definitely has to be town.
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Not going to let town lose while I'm still alive
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Look I have no idea about the alignment of deconduo. I won't vote for someone like that if a scum KP is on the line, ok?
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On October 02 2013 05:01 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 05:00 kitaman27 wrote:On October 02 2013 04:55 Pandain wrote:
The night kill argument also isn't wifom, why tell doctors to protect people who you're going to shoot? The missing kp points to double stack. Who cares about a medic at that point? If anything, it makes him look good. Then why didn't he talk about it later on or use it to defend himself? Thinking about it, mafia could only have double stacked one of them. So even telling medics to protect even one of them risks the chance they protect the one who wasn't double stacked. Doesn't make sense. And yes Risen, I do think Rayn is scum and would be happy to see a lynch of him.
What about this
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