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On October 02 2013 00:26 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not following you Mocsta, are you saying iamp is a good lynch or bad one? iamp is a good lynch.
Im saying its ridiculous to consider me in that group; when a tell that makes iamp scum, is completely applicable for me being town.
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JAT Im gonna head off soon. I thought there was something you wanted to ask me? Worse comes to worse, I will answer when I wake up. Please send through whatever you had in mind.
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On October 02 2013 00:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:43 Mocsta wrote: JAT Im gonna head off soon. I thought there was something you wanted to ask me? Worse comes to worse, I will answer when I wake up. Please send through whatever you had in mind. What I wanted to know was basically answered by now. The other reason was your vote which will be on FT now I guess? You don't come back before the lynch or do you? I am back about 1 to 2 hrs before deadline, but of course have to catch up on thread.
I am leaving my vote on FT, as I don't want him to ignore my case and then AFK for 24hrs.
FT or iamp > Stutters: is my preference.
I have some concern about Stutters but dont have to time to double check it pre-lynch. Namely, (1) Kita raised a good point about inactive Stutters, really could be either. He is that useless. (2) IIRC, my scum reads have called Stutters scummy.. now, it could be distancing/bussing.. but with a KP on the line, I find this unlikely. I need to double check what iamp/FT/risen have said about stutters --> and there is no way I can get this done before lynch deadline.
Therefore, I have enough doubt cast to prioritse Iamp > Stutters. There is no way iamp is town.
+ Show Spoiler +As an aside, I am one of the few ppl that read iamp as scummy when he is town. I didnt get that feeling this game when he subbed in.
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On October 02 2013 00:48 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:12 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote:On October 01 2013 23:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I maintain that the first post you quoted brings up nearly zero new evidence and simply brings up things others have said before It isn't just the first post. It's the first post rolling into the second I meant to post. I'm not saying iamp is town, I have a null read on him because I think he might know too much and that's why his reads feel good. This is me saying he shouldn't be the lynch today because a scum member (if he's scum) who's going to give us knowledge backed reads with cases is someone I would like to keep around. If he's alive past tonight I'll be shocked. I'd kill him if I was scum. Or I'd kill me. I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). You are an absolute moron. I made a case on Stutters days ago. But, of course its bussing even though the things I wrote are the exact same problems you all have with him now. Fucken imbecile you are. My post was a defense of you. On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote:I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. /sarcasm: Nice defense.....
I'm getting concerned now though, because I know I am town. I also know Geript had a solid case on you; and I dont recall you tearing it down. (Just checked filter, and you definitely didn't respond to it)
Yet you parade in here, trying to control the lynch.
On September 27 2013 11:33 Risen wrote: After Cephiro, Mocsta, and FT are dead Geript should probably be the next to go. No way a townie tries to do anything to this Cephiro train. On top of this it comes off as a scum Geript trying to nitpick town posts in an attempt to get a mislynch. He saw something he felt he could exploit (he knew marv was town, and he knew marv would flip with the daypost) and is now trying to push it. Where did your FT read go?
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Well I am going to keep being a cunt. YOU COMPLETELY IGNORED THIS POST.
On September 30 2013 11:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:17 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote: thoughts on Ceph VE? Or anyone who cares to read it? On September 23 2013 11:01 Cephiro wrote: Okay, voting for LoneMeow because:
1) He's appareantly a new player I have no idea of 2) He started martyring which is something I dislike 3) This Ray guy on a quick look doesn't look like he should be killed 4) I have no idea about this FirmTofu guy 5) Some other wagons that were in the last votecount have players that I'm familiar with and am able to read during nightphase Wat... Worst justification for not voting FT ever. First off, Risen calls out Ceph for bad reasoning which is EASY TO DO as scum on scum. The important difference is how he follows up. He's not interested in pressuring him. He's not interested in trying to throw the "public town eye" further towards him. He doesn't do shit about it. Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 12:20 Risen wrote: FT/Cephiro the lynch targets here. I'll vote Cephiro. Don't trust the #stagedhype surrounding FT lynch. Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 12:21 Risen wrote: EBWOP: Nope, never mind. No way a town FT comes out with a vote on VE. Instavote and insta switch. Again SUPER EASY justification to switch his vote off of scum. As town, I don't give a fuck who I vote for; I'll throw my weight around as I want and pressure like a hammer in thread or in vote. Nor do I generally care who the fuck votes for who because it doesn't help me. But one thing I know is that throwing out an odd vote is odd and it's fine to pressure for that but justifying voting for someone who you "don't believe the hype" on and then instaswitch on them just for a weird vote is ridiculously odd and scummy. Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 12:25 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 12:22 yamato77 wrote: I'm confirmed town, so what I say actually goes today.
We lynch Sentinel. No you aren't. Unless a doctor claims the save you could easily just be saying you got protected and you're scum. Doctor don't claim, though... that would be stupid. Next Risen tries to discredit Yam despite the fact that the only way Yam is scum pulling this off is if Coag is also scum. 2 people pulling that type of play as scum is gutsy and stupid and puts you at risk for very little reason. He's not furthering the discussion or pushing a point other than throwing dirt. SCUM SCUM SCUM Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 02:41 Risen wrote:On September 24 2013 23:59 Mocsta wrote:On September 24 2013 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: What the hell Mocsta. FT is one of the key people to discuss atm.. Maybe, like if you want to discuss him. I won't stop you at all. From my perpsective, we are 4 townies down (luckily only 1 blue.. which arguably was a good outcome.. newbie with parity in a game with framer/GF = mindfucks). Hence, I'm looking at best chance to ensure a scum lynch this cycle. I can say with my heart on sleeve, yes... FT can flip scum.. but the *can* is not confident; and Im not sure how much talking about it, will resolve that. Hes just a selfish*cunt* of a player. I actually really hate FT, and might consider not joining games with him again. [If town.. I just know post-game he will complain about how obvious town he was, and everyone is stupid] Im just saying, I think ppl like pandain and sentinel and lonemeow are a much higher percentage to get that first red blood. Therefore, it makes sense to narrow/focus the towns brain trust on that subset of players. That hasn't been confirmed. How do you know there's a framer/GF in this game? On July 29 2013 05:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: SNIP
This is a semi closed setup, the roles are known but the exact number is not. Not all of these roles may be present in the game.
SNIP Nitpick here, but it seems pretty scummy to me. It isn't a full blown scumslip, but it's something a townie should realize before posting whereas someone with the knowledge that both roles are actively in the game might screw up. On September 25 2013 01:47 marvellosity wrote:On September 24 2013 06:34 Risen wrote: If VA is alive at daypost I'll be pretty surprised. Risen, can you explain this comment? A town VA is someone I'd kill if I was scum. Dude pretty much had lynch armor because of my actions toward him. Though keeping him alive would have made a mislynch onto me much easier so maybe he wasn't a very good kill. My scum reads are Cephiro, FT, Mocsta, SentinelFirst three have been explained, Sentinel because of what OO just pointed out. I'm down for lynching anyone here, but would definitely prefer Cephiro or FT. Probably FT at this point. Mocsta and Sent scum reads come out of nowhere. The Mocsta read is complete bullshit as anyone who's read the OP would fully expect Framers/GF/whatever. Hell, we didn't even fucking know that Vanilla Scum could exist. More importantly, this was at the time when many people were leaning towards on Sent. No anaylsis of him just a generic +1 of a lynch. Bottom line: FT, Moc and Sent are town because Risen is scum and scum never put more than 1 other scum in their list. Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 02:46 Risen wrote:On September 25 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote:If anyone was curious about my little unvote-vote tango, it was because I remembered/found this: On September 24 2013 13:21 Mattchew wrote: Lol im like conf town mutha truckahs And thought, oh my, we're lynching the doctor! So I unvoted. Then kept browsing his filter and noted that yamato was a scumread of his, so it makes zero sense for him having protected yamato. So I revoted. Because doctors have never tried to hide over being 100% transparent town. Cmon marv... This isn't even a defense of Matt, it's just me pointing out a flaw for your vote/unvote/vote. Why is Matt scum, again? I see no compelling reason to lynch Matt over FT. Marv should know this, especially since he's such a town leader at the moment and of the votes on Matt his is the only one that actually matters. Why is this phrase necessary? If it's bullshit reasoning Marv should be called on the table for his read and vote/unvote/vote. This phrase is just him trying to not draw attention to himself. "Uhh i'm not calling you scum, I just want to get this clarified without really getting in the discussion." Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 04:50 Risen wrote:On September 25 2013 04:06 LoneMeow wrote:I'm not against lynching either of Sentinel or FirmTofu, but I think I would still prefer Umasi. He's "kind of participating" but hasn't really said much anything at all.
Regarding Cephiro: The apathy in itself is not alignment indicative; I checked some of his earlier games and in those he was active and involved both as scum and town. On September 24 2013 11:44 Cephiro wrote:That said, we really need to lynch scum today. And since I'm still alive, I'm going to do my best to ensure that happens. Not too far from having read the whole thread properly either. Where did you disappear? Been a long time since that post, and I know you're not away from your computer...
On September 25 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote:The only thing that makes me not 100% scum on him is the potential he's just overwhelmed, but in that case, he's made no effort to explain that and there is no justifiable reason for his I don't usually bother to explain much since in my experience it just gets one lynched, but since you asked: I'm having some pretty big IRL issues both physically and mentally due to my injury. And I feel like a bronze player dropped into grand master league. Please update the first post with current players after the replacements and new deadline. What a scummy defense making it try to look like the problem with Cephiro is apathy over the glaring faults in his posting. So LeonMeow is scummier for voting for your scum read because of the specific reasons that he gives? Apathy can be a VERY VALID reason for being scum. Yet again, this is just shit flinging on another lynchable player. Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 12:40 Risen wrote: FT saved yesterday, not getting lynched today. Makes sense. DP was right about mods saving FT b/c he's scum, imo. More bullshit "reasons" for FT to be scum. Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 14:24 Risen wrote:On September 25 2013 13:44 iamperfection wrote: risen what do you think of firms day 2? I think he's been told by his scum buddies to keep quiet and not to mess things up for himself and more than he already has. Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 15:32 Risen wrote: Really hope Matt is scum or I'm going to be in a tight spot. In other news, lynch FT. I could see a marv lynch, too. Or Cephiro who is still absent. Mocsta with the ole' "lol your post is too long and I'm scum so that's too much effort to respond to/opens me up too much to appearing scummy so I'm not changing my mind" post. About an hour apart from each other. FT is scum because he's quiet and absent but Cephiro isnt. He's just trying to push the FT lynch over Ceph without giving himself a backdoor into the Ceph lynch if it becomes favorable. Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 02:21 Risen wrote: I'm not moving my vote until it becomes clear Cephiro is going to be lynched over FT, who still, in spite of no redeeming qualities in his posting today, is not the leading lynch candidate. Team plz Still pushing FT over Ceph.
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On October 02 2013 01:12 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 00:48 Risen wrote:On October 02 2013 00:12 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote:On October 01 2013 23:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I maintain that the first post you quoted brings up nearly zero new evidence and simply brings up things others have said before It isn't just the first post. It's the first post rolling into the second I meant to post. I'm not saying iamp is town, I have a null read on him because I think he might know too much and that's why his reads feel good. This is me saying he shouldn't be the lynch today because a scum member (if he's scum) who's going to give us knowledge backed reads with cases is someone I would like to keep around. If he's alive past tonight I'll be shocked. I'd kill him if I was scum. Or I'd kill me. I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game). If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum. Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). You are an absolute moron. I made a case on Stutters days ago. But, of course its bussing even though the things I wrote are the exact same problems you all have with him now. Fucken imbecile you are. My post was a defense of you. On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote:I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters. /sarcasm: Nice defense..... I'm getting concerned now though, because I know I am town. I also know Geript had a solid case on you; and I dont recall you tearing it down. (Just checked filter, and you definitely didn't respond to it) Yet you parade in here, trying to control the lynch. On September 27 2013 11:33 Risen wrote: After Cephiro, Mocsta, and FT are dead Geript should probably be the next to go. No way a townie tries to do anything to this Cephiro train. On top of this it comes off as a scum Geript trying to nitpick town posts in an attempt to get a mislynch. He saw something he felt he could exploit (he knew marv was town, and he knew marv would flip with the daypost) and is now trying to push it. Where did your FT read go? Where did the ZEN-like feeling go? Not sure actually. I think the difference was reading his post interspersed throughout the thread in snippets; vs reading them as a filter dump.
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^^ Yes, I read it. But you can't change what is written in front of it. If Stutters loses traction, I am next.
In regards to the comment about writing cases. Thats completely alignment null and further, it is something I have been asking ppl like Koshi to do since forever.
I am still waiting for a response to a perfectly good case from Geript
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On October 02 2013 01:20 Risen wrote: EBWOP: And I ignored just about everything Geript posted. He's a horrible mafia player, why did you even bother reading anything he wrote? Maybe because, when he made that post, he was your top 2 SCUM READ.
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On October 02 2013 00:07 Risen wrote: I think the lynch today comes down to Mocsta or Stutters.
Mocsta if you believe town can't be stupid and/or his play needs to be punished (I was in camp #2 since I had given up on the game).
If you have other reasoning you need to post an actual case on Mocsta. I haven't seen one go beyond parroting my stance on town not fake claiming against a claimed doctor, which still holds water, just not as much as what makes stutters scum.
Stutters if you believe someone who has lied about what they would do this game and lurked instead while making anti-town posts (largely filler). There is zero defense of me; unless you are referring to me being your #2 scum read, instead of #1. If so, you're still a fucking imbecile.
The Geript case is awaiting.
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Night.
On October 02 2013 01:29 Mocsta wrote: Coagulation (0): - risen, Mr. CC (0): - risen, Risen Mocsta (1): - FirmTofu, [UoN]Sentinel, VE, Risen, Coagulation, Mr. CC, VE (0): - Mocsta, Raynpelikoneet, ObviousOne, StrongandBig, JAT, Risen (0): - StrongandBig, StrongandBig Iamperfection (2): - *VE, Rayn, StrongandBig Stutters695 (4): - Pandain, ObviousOne, Mr. CC, Mr.CC, Risen, Stutters695 ObviousOne (0): - Risen FirmTofu (4): - Kitamin, Mocsta, ObviousOne, Koshi Deconduo (1): - FirmTofu
*I assume VE vote does not count on iamperfection.
FirmTofu hit 4 votes first.
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lamp,
you acknowledged my case on you, and admitted its reasonable for me to consider you scum.
is there a reason you haven't dissected the case?
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On September 30 2013 11:27 deconduo wrote: Yeah, very little reason for VE to be alive if he isn't scum, Surprised Kita and Koshi aren't dead either. I went through Deconduo filter to see his last post (to check if he would be getting modkilled).
This came 7min after the cycle started; so I suppose he won't be modkilled.
My current list Confirmed Town 8: ObviousOne -> No counter claim on RB 15: Coagulation -> No counter claim on vig
Probable Town 1: strongandbig 6: kushm4sta 7: Koshi 29: justanothertownie
Null 2: raynpelikoneet -> Really disappointed he didn't push FirmTofu to address my case yesterday. 13: Mr. Cheesecake -> Claims cop and then disappears? 19: [UoN]Sentinel -> Activity is too sporadic to get a feel for where he stands 23: Risen -> Has pushed Stutters in a really town-like way; but I felt he did not address the crux of the Geript case. 30: Mocsta -> I have included myself here, as many seem uncertain of my alignment
Scummy to some degree 10: FirmTofu -> Why has he continued to ignore my case? 11: Pandain -> Keeps ignoring me, and then comes out with a last minute vote on Deconduo. Need to filter 14: Decondou -> The vote backflip on Cephiro makes no sense 16: Stutters695 -> Clearly doesn't care about the game, and made a token post 17: iamperfection -> Acknowledged my case as good, but then didn't break it down
I am sticking with iamp
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erm.. LOL
I guess thats why you are meant to refresh before posting haha
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On October 02 2013 09:11 Mocsta wrote: erm.. LOL
I guess thats why you are meant to refresh before posting haha Ohh, other game OP.
Carry on.
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On October 02 2013 09:12 justanothertownie wrote: I'm hurt. OO is confirmed for claiming rb and I'm not. When did you claim RB?
I thought it was Zaragon?
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I will say iamp, i have been mulling over you heaps on my bus ride to work.
Because like mattchew, you were adamant that I was town, even though pushing you. I just don't get why scum would say that. Its not an ego tell; more so, it pertains to town transparency.
My preference for lynch is still FirmTofu, but I doubt I can get traction.
So Where do you stand with Stutters695? (Apologies if you have commented, I actually can't remember)
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On October 02 2013 09:13 justanothertownie wrote: wat Was that to me?
I thought it went: N1 - OO N2 - No RB claim N3 - Zaragon
Where did you get a RB?
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On October 02 2013 09:20 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:18 Mocsta wrote: I will say iamp, i have been mulling over you heaps on my bus ride to work.
Because like mattchew, you were adamant that I was town, even though pushing you. I just don't get why scum would say that. Its not an ego tell; more so, it pertains to town transparency.
My preference for lynch is still FirmTofu, but I doubt I can get traction.
So Where do you stand with Stutters695? (Apologies if you have commented, I actually can't remember) i think stutters is a horrendous player but i said before i think he might actually be town. Fuck me, this is doing my head in.
I'm currently reading pandain/deconduo stuff; can you please quote for me where you give your reasoning for stutters being town?
And who is your preferred lynch candidate?
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On October 02 2013 09:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 09:19 Mocsta wrote:On October 02 2013 09:13 justanothertownie wrote: wat Was that to me? I thought it went: N1 - OO N2 - No RB claim N3 - Zaragon Where did you get a RB? Zaragon died night 3. OK, so Zaragon was RB N2.
Zaragon was definitely RB'd.. he chucked the shits at me for asking about it. So are you saying you got RB'd N3? --> Cos you haven't actually said yes in any of the back/forth?
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On October 02 2013 09:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:15 iamperfection wrote:On October 02 2013 03:03 Risen wrote:On October 02 2013 03:01 justanothertownie wrote: Stutters is the coinflip here. He looks bad for voting LM but at least he is consistent because he voted him Day1 and Day2. Apart from that no information to be had. You're disregarding the post you yourself pointed out to me earlier. It's not a coin flip, he has played scummy this game, and he's managed to do it in a filter as short as his is. Decon has done that too! i have been thinking about stutter more and i think he may just turn into a mislynch. his play is kind of sucidal as scum just in the way grepit did with his shenanigans. Making promises and not following through while horrible would be more likely to come from town than scum. Scum care more about image than town. unfortunate but it is what it is. See I dont like this iamp.
You are justifying a read on Stutters, by applying the tells of a flipped town to Mr.X (Stutters) I think thats relatively deceitful/fallacious in general.
And why is making promises and not following through likely to come from town? Was not Cephiro lynched for that exact reason?
Scum and town equally care about image. You need town cred as either alignment to push a lynch. This is *VERY* poor reasoning.
You are back on my shit list heavily.
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