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he wasnt getting lynched
look what i posted at the same time he claimed
i was paying careful attention to the counts.. my downfall was that i expected the same of everyone else
i agree dec/ve comments are odd.
but if u working off cephiro is scum, then there must be scum on the wagon BEFORE the claim
On September 26 2013 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LoneMeow (13): Mattchew, Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, ObviousOne, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Cephiro, Stutters695, Mocsta, iamperfection, Mocsta. Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, deconduo, Umasi, Pandain, Zaragon
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On September 26 2013 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LoneMeow (13): Mattchew, Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, ObviousOne, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Cephiro, Stutters695, Mocsta, iamperfection, Mocsta. Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, deconduo, Umasi, Pandain, Zaragon
guess what
mattchew
coag
oo
ceph
stutters
iamp
ceph can be treated in isolation
but hey look... its my man stuttetrs
lynch this guy with fire
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Funny stutters didn't comment on my stream if consciousness
U know. Where I called him scum
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On September 26 2013 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 18:40 Mocsta wrote:he wasnt getting lynched look what i posted at the same time he claimed i was paying careful attention to the counts.. my downfall was that i expected the same of everyone else
i agree dec/ve comments are odd. but if u working off cephiro is scum, then there must be scum on the wagon BEFORE the claim On September 26 2013 11:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LoneMeow (13): Mattchew, Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, ObviousOne, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Cephiro, Stutters695, Mocsta, iamperfection, Mocsta. Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, deconduo, Umasi, Pandain, Zaragon
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LoneMeow (13): Mattchew, Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, Coagulation, ObviousOne, VisceraEyes, Pandain, Cephiro, Stutters695, Mocsta, iamperfection, Mocsta. Mr. Cheesecake, VisceraEyes, deconduo, Umasi, Pandain, Zaragon
guess what mattchew coag oo ceph stutters iamp
ceph can be treated in isolation but hey look... its my man stuttetrs lynch this guy with fire Mocsta. Why are people who voted for LoneMeow before the claim more suspicious then people who voted for him after the claim. You yourself said he wasn't gonna get lynched. We don't know Cephiro's alignment for sure. What makes those people suspicious? In my opinion people who voted for LM after his claim are far more suspicious than those who voted for him before. If we look only at the votes. Because, for real, nobody should have voted for him after the claim. This is so wrong. Rayn. You just dropped GreyMist points.
Firstly, I said LoneMeow was not getting lynched, *AFTER* lonemeow voted for cephiro, to make it lonemeow (7)? and Cephiro(9)? (numbers were not double checked).
Secondly, if Cephiro *was* a scum lynch generated by Marv; it makes sense for scum to protect Cephrio by being on the counter wagon => LoneMeow.
Thirdly, it then makes sense that scum would not have been early Cephiro votes; (late cephiro votes is possible though).
Lastly, after my medic claim, both town/scum could have jumped on-board so its very hard to judge those votes.
So like it goes back to; if marv is proposing that Cephiro is 99% scum; that there *must* be at least one scum on lonemeow to protect Cephiro.
I made a case on Stutters way before this revelation; and lo and behold, stutters was a voter before that medic claim.
Lynch Stutters with Fire
Essentially, the votes post (my) medic-claim on lonemeow are in a vacuum, as scum/town could jump on that with no v
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On September 26 2013 22:26 marvellosity wrote:
The last line of your post right there, Moc, is the illustration of how catastrophically bad what you did was.
Lol.. that was maent to be deleted.
sigh.
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On September 26 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Mocsta, do you want to lynch Stutters or Cephiro?
I haven't read Cephiro filter. (yet) - im not here for much longer, so prob wont do it till i wake up tomorrow.
I have read Stutters filter, and i dont see how he can be town.
Im not going to start a wagon next day (theres 0 chance of me being shot) cos im playing really bad.
All i care about is that we lynch scum, so Im obviously comfortable with a stutters lynch.
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On September 26 2013 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 22:28 marvellosity wrote:
You effectively made the whole lynch meaningless.
First day was screwed up by the hosting business, and then you removed some of the most valuable information we could have got from that lynch. This is the point. It's impossible to make analysis from the lynch because you ruined it Mocsta..
well, you and marv are waving ya dicks around like cephiro *IS* scum; so the parts before the claim is valid as I outlined.
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On September 26 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 22:40 Mocsta wrote:On September 26 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Mocsta, do you want to lynch Stutters or Cephiro? I haven't read Cephiro filter. (yet) - im not here for much longer, so prob wont do it till i wake up tomorrow. I have read Stutters filter, and i dont see how he can be town. Im not going to start a wagon next day (theres 0 chance of me being shot) cos im playing really bad. All i care about is that we lynch scum, so Im obviously comfortable with a stutters lynch. Okay so in your last post your reasoning for Stutters lynch was "because there has to be at least one scum to defend Cephiro". If Cephiro is town, then, by your definition Stutters is not surely scum. What gives? You are being really incoherent. Aside this, can you give your thoughts on Koshi and Mr.CC?
(1) I know my filter is large and diverse so I can excuse not seeing this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=205#4098
Its a case on Stutters, were I walk through my interpretation of his filter.
Feel free to challenge on any points.
(2) Koshi is really agitating with his reluctance to front a case on anyone, yet yell they are scum.
Doesnt make him scum though. As I said before, im done reading today (not cycle.. day). I can add him to the queue
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CC. im 50% through CC
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=206#4106
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btw rayn. im not confident giving CC an impartial read. I like the guy in general; so I have a natural aversion to read him town.
im confused because from what i read, hes clearly town (on my heuristics at least), but quite a few are concerned about him, including OO (who holds some weight with me after his VCA post thingo.)
Marv, cephiro thing he just posted looks interesting. I will prioritise him tomorrow.
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On September 26 2013 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 22:54 Mocsta wrote:On September 26 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 26 2013 22:40 Mocsta wrote:On September 26 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Mocsta, do you want to lynch Stutters or Cephiro? I haven't read Cephiro filter. (yet) - im not here for much longer, so prob wont do it till i wake up tomorrow. I have read Stutters filter, and i dont see how he can be town. Im not going to start a wagon next day (theres 0 chance of me being shot) cos im playing really bad. All i care about is that we lynch scum, so Im obviously comfortable with a stutters lynch. Okay so in your last post your reasoning for Stutters lynch was "because there has to be at least one scum to defend Cephiro". If Cephiro is town, then, by your definition Stutters is not surely scum. What gives? You are being really incoherent. Aside this, can you give your thoughts on Koshi and Mr.CC? (1) I know my filter is large and diverse so I can excuse not seeing this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=205#4098Its a case on Stutters, were I walk through my interpretation of his filter. Feel free to challenge on any points.
(2) Koshi is really agitating with his reluctance to front a case on anyone, yet yell they are scum. Doesnt make him scum though. As I said before, im done reading today (not cycle.. day). I can add him to the queue
(3) CC. im 50% through CC http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071¤tpage=206#4106 Do you realize you made that case on N2, when the information about the flip was already available? And you can't see what's wrong with that compared to your latest comment?
That went over my head?
Who cares when I made the case.. i wasn't looking at the flip when i wrote that. I was looking at his filter and making comments as I read stuff.
Did you even open the spoiler?
And no I can't see whats wrong.....
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On September 26 2013 23:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also in your CC filter dive you leave out a point that's most important to me (and should be to you aswell). Stutters.
You are leaving it out even though it's in the first 2 pages.
Mocsta Mocsta.. I am starting to think you are scum.
Y u so retarded.. its there?
"Some general banter. post The comment to lynch stutters is not hard, so if stutters is scum; it means nothing for cc alignment."
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On September 26 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +Stutters seemed pretty town to me at some point, I remember thinking "Stutters isn't being completely useless and bad, that's different, probably stepping it up as town". This is CC's last comment about Stutters. It's on page 3 in his filter. You have therefore read it if you are "half past" his filter.
I dont recall reading that.. and if you want to know where i stopped. its where the last dot point is.
Pretty weak attempts from you.. Why arent you debunking Stutters?
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On September 26 2013 23:17 strongandbig wrote:
Who does rhar
Does this mean the seal of approval is gone?
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On September 26 2013 23:29 strongandbig wrote:
Nah I still like the case.
I just can't decide if your fakeclaim makes you scum, or if we should policy lynch you, or if we should let you live.
Like, I kind of see what Marv is thinking about needing to policy lynch you to guarantee the integrity of mafia as a game. Look at grack last game, he was scum and made a retarded fakeclaim (less egregious than this one tho) which got oeople to say "only townies would make this stupid a fakeclaim".
But otoh I really want to kill cephiro.
If im going to be policy lynched.. Theres a bunch of other ppl that need to be policy lynched.
I personally think, if I was scum, I wouldnt have recanted the claim.
It was easy enough to say we both medic'd yamato.
But i understand thats WIFOM.. im just saying.. ppl have thought im scum for a long period of the game. This fakeclaim business is not helping my cause; i dont see how that satisfies a scum agenda. He was a useless doc this night anyway; as there is 1 RB confirmed, and it would have gone straight to Meow.
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On September 26 2013 23:41 marvellosity wrote:
You don't see how lynching the doctor and saving a probable mafia satisfies a scum agenda?
Really?
A 1 for 1 trade?
Sounds absolutely stupid to me.
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On September 26 2013 23:41 marvellosity wrote:
You don't see how lynching the doctor and saving a probable mafia satisfies a scum agenda?
Really?
If you must know the truth.
Geript voted Cephiro, which made me doubt the wagon being scum.
and then lonemeow came out with teh claim, when I already figured out he needed a 3 man swing to be lynched.
I took things into my own hands, made a gambit. It was a poor choice.
If you policy lynch me, the game will be essentially over though, because thats 6 NK scum have until scum can be lynched (assuming no medic saves, or further vig)
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On September 26 2013 23:50 marvellosity wrote:
How many people are wanting to lynch you right now? Not many.
Doesn't sound that stupid.
No1s calling me town; my cause isnt helped. AND its night cycle, you can't lay down a vote. So who actually knows.
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On September 27 2013 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
Mocsta is so town though
thnx <3
thoughts on stutters>?
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On September 27 2013 03:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Looking at cakecheese... Also Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 23:49 Mocsta wrote:On September 26 2013 23:41 marvellosity wrote:
You don't see how lynching the doctor and saving a probable mafia satisfies a scum agenda?
Really? A 1 for 1 trade? Sounds absolutely stupid to me. Really 1 for 4 in the worst case, with one of the four being a doctor. Even if Ceph gets lynched D3, that's still an extra three kills the mafia gets to send in, up to 3 town deaths, and up to 3 less town votes.
This is really bad. The trade is 1 for 1, because regardless of whether LM or Cephiro flipped, mafia would receive nightkills, and thus, get eliminated from the equation.
Considering how much Sentinel has inputted; that a comment such as the above is his primary concern to make is *very disconcerting*. Especially because its heavily twisted to paint me red... This guy needs to be looked into carefully D4 (D3 should be Cephiro/Stutters depending on vigs)
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I love how Stutters continues to ignore my case. (He knows I dont have town cred at all.. so interesting.. especially as he says he has read the whole thread); and others have endorsed the case as solid. (odd is it not to ignore??)
Then we get this.
On September 27 2013 06:14 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 06:12 yamato77 wrote:On September 27 2013 06:11 Stutters695 wrote:
Ceph is a better shot than Moc. Moc is only a concern if Ceph is red, and although Moc absolutely should be policy lynched for that shit, that's not how we win if we kill him before ceph. If they are both mafia, it doesn't matter which one we kill first. And if Ceph happens to be town, Moc is probably just being his terrible self where he gets crazy ideas.
This guy is completely setting me up to be lynched as soon as Ceph flips red.
There is zero justification given to his conclusions. "probably this is the outcome" but where is the why?
Exactly the type of stuff i wrote about in my stream of consciousness on stutters declaring him scum.
On September 26 2013 16:25 Mocsta wrote:Stream of consciousness: Stutters695http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423071&user=Stutters695&view=all+ Show Spoiler +- First post: Focused on Kush, and others perceptions of Kush. If forced to decide, I will lean town. I think a scum that wants a "weak" player will go on the offensive directly to that player. Stutters decision suggests that he has read the thread, come to the opinion that Kush is scum; and noticed a comment suggesting kush may be town so is querying it. I suppose this is what a suspicious town *should* do; but, its still pretty selfish as an opening post. Why is he avoiding all the other conversation that occured? Overal, leaning town (just)
- I really dont his campaign post here; but i dont mind his follow up to DP pressure here. Its pretty confident, and the reasoning is a valid interpretation for early day1 information. Ultimately, scum *could* generate that reasoning; but, I think the way stutters went about it is indicative of recent tl town style.
- A few null posts. As either alignment, he needs to follow up; and justify the case with Kush etc.. I would say he reads genuine in conviction though. Guess with Kush, you can fake it. Yeha, stay as null.
- Post: This is an interesting reply. As in, as town, I *think* I would respond the same. All I can think is that, as scum, I would try and belittle him for admitting the case is good. So conversely I assume as town I wouldn't do it. As an aside, in my experience, when someone admits the case looks good - its been from town -> kush is town
- Post Keeps pushing for Kush. I mena its a good thing he keeps campaigning. But he dosent offer a thought on anything else int he thread. Even when talking about vigs, its to divert back to Kush. I think thats pretty scummy, even if the cause is good in intention.
- Post hmm. I'm not sure how much i like the pressure on kush (his only scum read). I mean, hes campaigning for him.. but when pressuring it feels jovial and distanced. I guess you can argue that you dont have to convince your scumread they are scum, but still. I just get an odd feeling that its not serious.
Considering stutters695 writes short paragrpahs in general, i dont see how phone posting should be stopping him interacting either. Anyways...
- Chairman I just dont get this. Has been "reading filters" for a timestamp difference of two hours, and his first contribution to the thread is to call out a another weak player. I mean, its not that town cant target two weak players; its that he promised to filter read, and is instead commenting on live person (that is flipped town) and hasn't had any bearing on the thread (yet).. Theres nothing on DP/Geript or VE or FT etc.. i dont like this.
Chairman also made a post stating it was odd stutters called him out like this - specifically the focus of the question. Its wrong My thoughts on reading was "how does chair plan to TRAP scum"... stutters post is "how does chair plan to MAKE LIFE HARD hard for scum". It might sound like a small thing, but it indicates stutters is not looking to identify scum.
considering he has failed to comment on live matters, and this is his second weak player target Im going to give him a scum read so far. I just cant understand the motivation for this query to chairman as town.
- Post Says he has caught up; but only comments on chairman. I dont like his wording of "failed to demonstrate why it must come from a scum mindset".. but i wont hold it against him. I just dont like it, cos its a long sentence for a guy that types very little. Feels overcompensated. Will leave as null cos prob nitpicking.
- Kush case The entire case is based on not caring about the lynch. Its funny, he debunks kush scum read on stutters (decided to target him pre-game) by stating, he has zero justification.. kinda a weird way to respond, but whatever..
as town: I used to make cases on Kush, but my case style is much different to stutters,so im finding it hard to detect if this is a scum or town case. I think overall, the case is pretty shit and lack lustre. Especially to justify Kush being his sole focus of Day1. I mean, stutters hasnt even commented on anything else other than a semantic from Chairman.. and this is his case? I dont think time is a valid excuse here, but I want to lynch for scum motivation, not poor play. Will treat this as null.
- reads Finally, some reads. Lone is another lurker... this guy is got a habit of choosing ppl who dont fight back. What i dont like here is, he commetns on bad play from lone, but doesnt go so far to call him scum... so why make a post around reads if you not going toa conclusion? Then calls chairman scum without any justification? wat the?
Unfortunately, i can see town doing this post, so null.... ggrrr
- association FINALLY, Stutters converses on something live in the thread other than kush/lurkers... guess who.. its koshi having a dig at FT.... this is very interesting. If stutters is scum (which is my lean) then FT could be an easy association.
- marv pressure ncie question from marv, weird at the time. But now that im suspicious, its useful.
So stutters likes to bus i suppose? Admits his cases are terrible? Knows thread sentiment -> he wont get lynched for stupid shit
Doesnt help me. Accept, if kush is scum.. i need to check how much of a shit kush gave to be pressured by stutters. Did he just brush it off or fight back?
- post Interesting question from marv again. based on the whole martyr thing, shouldnt stutters opinino have changed of at least one of lone/chair... stutters response is acceptable if he is known for tunneling. I suspect he is not (he didtn even mention tunneling in his self-description prior); so i think this is bad points for stutters.
- post Like i dont get this... he set himself up to vote LM, so thats OK. But the thing with kush, i mean; he wrote a case and was campaigning it.. like, i just would expect him to adapt the case if it wasnt getting traction? Its like he moved onto the next best easy wagon choice.. Im really not a fan of this action.
I completely admit town can drop their cases if there is no traction, but he doesnt even state kush is still his top read. The only reason he dropped the vote is because town didnt think it was a good idea.. Yeah, dont like.
- Martyrs by asking for a vig. Kinda weird, cos it acknowledges he is fully aware of his thread position. I actually dunno if town would say this, but feel like if i judge it, im judging poor play vs scummy play. Null
- post aa hhhhahhh... this ties in excatly with what iw as saying before. He left kush alone because the thread didnt want a piece of it; admits it. Hes just looking at options. SCUM RIGHT HERE ! (thnx marv)
- post STILL avoiding key issues int he thread, and regurgitating the same crap about kush and lonemeow. The reads barely updated as well; and doesnt pressure the reads. He basically throwing out shit on ppls names, and hopes other ppl get the traction on them.. I prob have a read a town game on him; but this is a pretty scummy way to play in general.
- Last post sucks too. I wonder now whether Stutters will re-target to Kush?
I got a new scum read. Im a little jaded cos some of it feels like bias against extremely poor play; but theres a few things I just cant fathom originating from a town mindset. (1) He never comments on live thread matters -> accept a timely delurk to defend FirmTofu. In fact, the only people he talks about are (Kush, LoneMeow, Chairman) + 1 reference to FT. The 3 in front, are all easy target lurkers; 2 have flipped town. (2) He never pressures his reads (unless you include that Kush case, which he dropped as soon as it didnt get traction) and when you read his justifications, he doesnt actually explain why its scummy behaviour.. its just poor play (3) The vig request martyr is really odd as well. Martyrs seems to be the 'in" thing on TL these days, and its not alignment indicative (as in. auto-town). (4) Can you say this guy is honestly scum hunting? This is beyond poor play, the guy clearly has read the game, and picks/chooses his times to comment. This suggests that there is certainly a motive/agenda behind the posts; yet he doesn't scum hunt. SCUM RIGHT HERE.
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On September 27 2013 06:55 marvellosity wrote:
How are people feeling about jat right now? And why?
Are we still writing kush off as probable town?
I think Kush is town for same reasons as OO. His filter is identical to smurf + the stutters push (which is obviously association read)
As fro JAT, I liked him all game, even when you gave him a 50/50 read. But I felt this push on me was a touch over done (but he could be butthurt i suppose)
On September 27 2013 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2013 22:40 Mocsta wrote:On September 26 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Mocsta, do you want to lynch Stutters or Cephiro? I haven't read Cephiro filter. (yet) - im not here for much longer, so prob wont do it till i wake up tomorrow. I have read Stutters filter, and i dont see how he can be town. Im not going to start a wagon next day (theres 0 chance of me being shot) cos im playing really bad. All i care about is that we lynch scum, so Im obviously comfortable with a stutters lynch. Did you not read it pre lynch? It is not that big. I seriously don't like that you turned over this lynch onto LM like that without even reading cephiros filter. Don't tell me you did and the lynch/postlynch stuff is missing. That's not that much either.
My comment about not reading Cephiro filter, was after I said everyone is back to null and im re-reading everyone and doing streams of consciouness.
When the lynch was on, I prefered Cephiro>LoneMeow. My issue was that LoneMeow wasnt preseent, whereas Cephiro was; and LoneMeow didnt vote Cephrio for survival. I commented about all this in the thread. Its not hard to look up..
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Lastly, Yam.
I dont hold it against you, that you want to call me scum. If the roles were reversed I am not sure if I could walk away.
Seriously, if you want to keep calling me scum; at least have the courtesy to go through my filter and mount a case.
All you are doing is taking your interpretation (from memory) of my actions; and slandering me. You have town cred, so some people are instantly buying this.
The fact is: I am town, whether you like it or not.
My expectation is: If you actually read my quotes, you will see consistency and transparency.
You can choose to believe it or not; but I wouldnt do this as scum.
I have done a similar thing in ONE game, where I hammered someone in the last minute; but there were four key differences.
(1) I was GF - which is possible this game
(2) I was town leader - which I am clearly not this game
(3) Both my team mates were modkilled halfway through Day1 - and i felt i needed to take a risk
(4) The guy I hammered, I had been pressuring all day, so the action was consistent.
NONE OF THAT was present this game... it makes no sense as scum trying to play proper scum (which yes, I do prefer over town).
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Last words in case I am vigged.
if Cephiro is shot as well; go straight to stutters.
if Cephiro is not shot (i.e. only 1 vig and its me dead).. lynch Cephrio, then Stutters
Its impossible for stutters to be town
BUT i can understand prioritizing Cephiro, to gain transparency about the D2 lynch.
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On September 27 2013 10:46 yamato77 wrote:
If you're town, Moc, I will be shocked.
Like. U really need to review how u pressure and scum hunt.
How am I even meant to respond to this?
It's just slander yam. I am far from playing a perfect game, but at least I express clearly what my issues with play is. The same can not be said for u. Not once throughout the whole game have u actually explained why I'm scum. Other than he enjoys playing scum... And so what?
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