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On July 30 2013 04:07 justanothertownie wrote:
You can do the same with a nightkilled townies reads...
Yes, but there are more variables to consider WHY the scum did it. We don't have to consider these extra variables right now. We know not all 8 scum put their votes on papers.
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Going backwards on the papers filter:
he has a slight scum lean on koshi because he didn't attempt to switch the vote off him.
he really believes tofu is scum.
has a town read on me.
still thinks JAT is scum.
town lean on rayn and oats.
Of course, he might be wrong about everything he believes. But at least we know a guaranteed TOWN believes this. If you don't think this is useful, then so be it.
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On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.-
Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town.
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On July 30 2013 04:18 Vivax wrote:Basically, the way Clarity and XRZ wrote their cases. Another really good example is scumArtanis in Pick your Power Boardwalk Empire, just look at the pattern, it's amazingly similar to what clarity and xrz wrote. Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Geript. On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie.
Oh and I think you're pretty townie. Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. On April 05 2013 14:00 geript wrote:
eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for. Investigation and protective roles are truly awful for town. Who'd want less KP at night in the game, right? On April 05 2013 15:05 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 14:58 geript wrote:
Sorry missed that question. The more I play the less full 180's seems like 'sure thing scum tells' to me; as a matter of fact, IIRC 90% of the 180's in the last game were done by town. I'd say it's suspicious and worth looking into him more, but there was a quote from the VE/BH mason log that it reminds me of it boiled down to something like "I don't want to push Geript into a corner because the more we do that the likelier he is to look like scum and prevent us from being able to avoid a mislynch. Instead I'd rather try and interact with him on his scumreads etc." I think VE's strategy is a very good one. I think it's suspicious but not to the point that it's a full scum tell for me. I'd much rather try and interact with him in a way to not lose him in case he is town. Fair points that are applicable to anyone. Look, though my emphasis is on Rayn, I am not tunneled on him. If he proves his innocence, I will move on. But having reviewed my interactions with him, I am struggling to see how he can even be a remote town read. (From my POV) At best he is null. ==== As an aside, I think holding off lynching candidates in the top 5 draft is terrible: just because there is a risk of lynching a townie that held an awesome role. If someone be scummy, you lynch them. Full Stop. On April 05 2013 15:09 geript wrote:
Thank you Moc, now I know that you are town. This post apparently makes Mocsta town. In what world can scum not make a post like this? What is it about this post that makes you read him as this apparent townMocsta? Also, as Mocsta already brought up On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip. Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that. I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On its own it's not lynchworthy, but with how poorly scumript has been playing so far I'd say this adds to the case. Vote scum. Vote Geript.
How the hell do you form the conclusion that because someone else did something as (insert role), I would do something in that role.
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On July 30 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:22 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:18 Vivax wrote:Basically, the way Clarity and XRZ wrote their cases. Another really good example is scumArtanis in Pick your Power Boardwalk Empire, just look at the pattern, it's amazingly similar to what clarity and xrz wrote. On April 06 2013 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Hi Geript. On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
I'm not saying that you haven't done anything not town Mocsta-ish. There's just a very specific heuristic that town Mocsta seems to follow that you haven't hit on yet for me. I'm leaning town on you but until you get that one aspect I have a hard time putting you there fully.
As for your posting, I really like it. Translates to On April 05 2013 13:05 geript wrote:
Hi, I think you're being townie, but you're not being you-townie, yet I still think you're townie but I'm not sure if you're townie.
Oh and I think you're pretty townie. Why on earth would a townie post this?
WHY?Mocsta wasn't even close to being in danger, and the town motivation for calling someone town, then suspicious, then town eludes me. On April 05 2013 14:00 geript wrote:
eh, I don't value investigation roles very highly. If people want to go for them, I'm not going to prevent it. I think that there are just better options available. As for protection roles, the only one I really like is jailkeeper. If you want to post a better list I would love to see it. As a matter of fact I think it would be good for other people to chime in on general draft strategy as it would give some of the slackers a better idea of what to go for. Investigation and protective roles are truly awful for town. Who'd want less KP at night in the game, right? On April 05 2013 15:05 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 14:58 geript wrote:
Sorry missed that question. The more I play the less full 180's seems like 'sure thing scum tells' to me; as a matter of fact, IIRC 90% of the 180's in the last game were done by town. I'd say it's suspicious and worth looking into him more, but there was a quote from the VE/BH mason log that it reminds me of it boiled down to something like "I don't want to push Geript into a corner because the more we do that the likelier he is to look like scum and prevent us from being able to avoid a mislynch. Instead I'd rather try and interact with him on his scumreads etc." I think VE's strategy is a very good one. I think it's suspicious but not to the point that it's a full scum tell for me. I'd much rather try and interact with him in a way to not lose him in case he is town. Fair points that are applicable to anyone. Look, though my emphasis is on Rayn, I am not tunneled on him. If he proves his innocence, I will move on. But having reviewed my interactions with him, I am struggling to see how he can even be a remote town read. (From my POV) At best he is null. ==== As an aside, I think holding off lynching candidates in the top 5 draft is terrible: just because there is a risk of lynching a townie that held an awesome role. If someone be scummy, you lynch them. Full Stop. On April 05 2013 15:09 geript wrote:
Thank you Moc, now I know that you are town. This post apparently makes Mocsta town. In what world can scum not make a post like this? What is it about this post that makes you read him as this apparent townMocsta? Also, as Mocsta already brought up On April 05 2013 15:50 Mocsta wrote:On April 05 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
@VE Why are you so quiet? I'm not used to you being so behind the scenes instead of being spammy. I would like to get a read on you. I sincerely hope that isnt a scum slip. Because, I expect more from your scum play than a loose phrase like that. I think I know what you meant; but the implication is.. you are aware of what VE is doing currently; which is knowledge townies certainly do not possess.... On its own it's not lynchworthy, but with how poorly scumript has been playing so far I'd say this adds to the case. Vote scum. Vote Geript. How the hell do you form the conclusion that because someone else did something as (insert role), I would do something in that role. Because that's characteristic for mafiosi to do so. Nearly everyone does that as mafia-.
How the hell do you make some broad generic statement like that when he found something from 1 game. If I find a game where somebody refuses to give their day1 scum reads (and he is in fact scum), I should apply that logic to vayne and try to get him lynched?
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On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.- Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town. That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff. When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter... You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information. That's fucking scummy.
Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you.
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On July 30 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.- Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town. That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff. When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter... You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information. That's fucking scummy. Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you. If you think the information is not important, why do you post this: Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions? And ~5 other posts about the subject?
Whether the information is important or not is subjective you. You can like his reads or not like them. It's completely up to you! But you don't care about his reads? In fact you point that you haven't gone through his filter since his lynch.
Are you that big headed that you don't want to consider another townie's reads?
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On July 30 2013 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions? This is stupid. Being town does not mean you are right, especially if you get lynched.
Being lynched as a townie does not mean he is right. Does being lynched town mean he is wrong? You don't want to look at his thoughts? WTF man. get off your high horse.
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On July 30 2013 04:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:29 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 30 2013 04:21 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
XRZ posts stuff that Paper said, brings up no conclusions of his own. What's the point of saying what someone said if you don't reach to a conclusion? Especially when you have just said you find that important....
VA looks like he is not giving shit about this game. VA is scum when he does not give a shit about the game. He takes the easiest way out and this is what seems to be the case here.- Are you being daft on purpose? If I knew for 100% certainty you were town, I would be more inclined to go with your reads than to follow even someone i thought was 95% chance to be town. That's not my point. My point is that you said you find Paper as confirmed town is worth looking into. What his reads were and stuff. When you look into them, you are just saying what Paper said, you are not saying why you think those reads are correct or wrong. You don't use the information you find to be important in the first place. Instead you are asking other people why they are not looking into his filter... You don't need anyone's permission to show us what you found, and apparently you have found nothing important in the place you just claimed contains important information. That's fucking scummy. Please quote where I said it contains important information. And I will apologize to you. I said I found it strange nobody looked into paper's opinions. What you choose to do with his opinions is up to you. If you think the information is not important, why do you post this: Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 03:44 exarezee wrote:
Am I the only who finds it strange that nobody has gone through and looked at Paper's reads? He's the only confirmed town besides yourself, and nobody wants to look at his opinions? And ~5 other posts about the subject?
For the last time, my post on this subject. I thought it was STRANGE that people didn't look into paper's reads at the end of day 1. He did provide some. Look into his reads. Whether they think he's right/wrong. Doesn't matter. His read on me was correct. He might be right about his other reads. Now that I know he is town, I know that he 100% believed those things he wrote.
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On July 30 2013 04:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
xrz unless you think he's scum for not looking back at paper please stop shitting up the thread.
If you DO think he's scum for it, explain.
Yes, I think the high volume posters of this night cycle contains an above average % of scum. The only change from Day 1 end and Night 1 is that we know Papers is town and the voting switch. This should be central to why people are scum/town. Yet, people are bringing up cases they could have made on Day 1 before papers was flipped town.
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On July 30 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so why am i scum to be exact?
I mistyped a little. Didn't exactly read what clarity wrote. I do not have an informed opinion on whether you are scum. You are however part of the group today that have posted theories which is irrelevant upon the information gained upon the end of day 1. I find that to be more scumlike than townlike.
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Off the top of my head, vivax made a case against me that he could have made day 1. It's not like he missed my case on papers which was reiterated many times.
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On July 29 2013 11:13 Oatsmaster wrote:ahahahah I knew it guys  . Rayn and JAT probably scum. JAT is definitely a smurf and not new. FT is town. Let me explain. Lets say he is scum and looking through exarezee's filter who he knows is town. He has to look carefully and read carefully. Now on first glance, the scumslip may look like one but FT knows its not a scumslip cause exarezee is town so he never posts it. Lets say FT is town and looking though exarezee's filter. OH SHIT SCUMSLIP. POSTPOSTPOST. oh wait not a scumslip. Yeah. FT is town.
Things like this is suspicious. Nothing new happened. This could have been posted Day 1 to possibly prevent the mislynch. Granted, I don't think oats was there at end of day 1.
@Rayn You questioning hzflank is deserved. He made his "scum" post right near the end of the day. You missed the post first time around. Easily possible.
@Vivax using linked games to the past and showing similiarities is not a strong case. First people adapt to the game...they usually get better. Secondly at least 1 person has mentioned that this game is strange to them because of all the new players. There are so many dynamics that it seems silly to say he is playing like he did in that game and in that game he was (insert role) and thus he is that role here.
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On July 30 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 04:57 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so why am i scum to be exact? I mistyped a little. Didn't exactly read what clarity wrote. I do not have an informed opinion on whether you are scum. You are however part of the group today that have posted theories which is irrelevant upon the information gained upon the end of day 1. I find that to be more scumlike than townlike. So what should we do in your opinion now?
Wait and see. Again, I've never played in a game where you can talk N1. I usually have more information to work with at this stage. I have to leave in about 1hr 15 min and will be gone for the rest of N1 phase, but I'm sure I'll be alive tomorrow. And If I do happen to die, it will be a benefit to your eyes. So my plan is to wait and see what happens during the N1 action phase and then contribute D2 if i'm still there.
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On July 30 2013 05:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2013 05:16 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 30 2013 04:57 exarezee wrote:On July 30 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so why am i scum to be exact? I mistyped a little. Didn't exactly read what clarity wrote. I do not have an informed opinion on whether you are scum. You are however part of the group today that have posted theories which is irrelevant upon the information gained upon the end of day 1. I find that to be more scumlike than townlike. So what should we do in your opinion now? Wait and see. Again, I've never played in a game where you can talk N1. I usually have more information to work with at this stage. I have to leave in about 1hr 15 min and will be gone for the rest of N1 phase, but I'm sure I'll be alive tomorrow. And If I do happen to die, it will be a benefit to your eyes. So my plan is to wait and see what happens during the N1 action phase and then contribute D2 if i'm still there. Opinion on my dissection of the clarity case? Do you think that case came from a townie?
I remember clarity's case clearly from reading it on day 1. He along with hzflank, I liked a lot of their posts. I even directly told clairty i liked all his posts except one. I think he approached the case from a town perspective. I think you could make your case as a townie or scum. You do the same thing you fault him for. You dissect the case and point out mistakes. He does not really have any logical mistakes. And you do not show insight as to why he would do something as a town and not as scum.
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Oh, and if you're asking me whether I think clarity made that case as a townie? then that is a yes.
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I just got home. I'm going to try to catch up on the thread. Might fall asleep (it's almost 5 am) but will particpate in discussion when i wake up in five or six hours if i do.
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On July 30 2013 16:54 Koshi wrote:
Scumteam:
Oats
hzflank
XRZ
saw this and just had to stop. a little weird to have 2 scum fakeread another scum as town don't you think?
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On July 30 2013 08:38 Vivax wrote:
My main lynch target tomorrow at this point would probably be XRZ.
If I die, still use your own head. I hate when people use my reads without some own reasoninhg post-death.
Ugh I hate this post. Vivax's night kill can definitely set me up to be a mislynch this day. Although I'm glad he says to don't take his read as fact.
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I think malongo has to be lynched before JAT today.
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