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On July 22 2013 23:45 Nightcat99 wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YtHtlKL.jpg) This is how i imagine they look. Umasi on the left and alakaslam on the right that pretty much made my morning, nightcat | ||
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if it didn't work, take the derivative again take ALLLL the derivatives. and that's what I know about calculus! | ||
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http://online.math.uh.edu/HoustonACT/ go there. powerpoints from my hs math teacher suuuuper badass also https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxTDnt_1YMbKMDk3OTNhZTMtYmY2Yi00MjQwLTk3OWYtYmU4NzVjN2NiYTM3/edit?hl=en every formula evar | ||
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don't lynch slam and I, pity us for not getting to hydra | ||
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How are you guys? I'm familiar with some of you but there are a lot of people I haven't seen before. Specifically StiM, Gotard, Nightcat and Slam. | ||
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I've never really understood how to get it rolling, and I was afk for the first two hours in my last one, where sponge successfully threw it into action | ||
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it's just a pattern I notice, I don't consciously say "okay time to stop doing things, hellll yeah" I don't really care about roles or not, and try to steer clear of blue directing, unless it's a sure fire "This WILL win the game" Kind of mathematical crunch down. (see the last newbie game) | ||
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StiM has variable activity levels and likes martyring for some reason, which I don't really like but whatever :3, he's normally more on the lurker side Gotard is pretty scummy always forever and ever and ever, and doesn't post a lot. Wham bam Alakaslam is super awesome, and posts a lot, but seems to be wrong a lot of the time like I am haha Nightcat played the part of newb town really well last game, and honestly blew my mind he was the serial killer, so I don't know what his town playstyle is like. | ||
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and we lynch all lurkers (IE people who don't care) we gone be booooooned | ||
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And xzavier gave constant excuses forever, he cited he was at work literally every single friggen second of the day | ||
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On July 31 2013 07:23 DeusXmachina wrote: These technical problems are so pesky. I am tired of the bugs, the human error, and especially the out-of-date software. We need to shape up this business. We need to root out these problems. I understand that mistakes happen, but this is our livelihood we are talking about. Share your annoyance with these problems. Let’s get these issues resolved (the ball rolling). That said, I'm not a fan of this post at all, because it specifically says "let's get the ball rolling" and then like, doesn't get the ball rolling? Don't command us to do what you want, try to start it up if you are legitimately invested in it. Moreover, On July 31 2013 07:43 DeusXmachina wrote: I can appreciate your enthusiasm Umasi, as well as your insight on some of the characters of this town, or should I say potential problems. I hate bugs in code too. Especially the small, easy to overlook ones like a misplaced semicolon. Who else will chime in? Doesn't out-of-date software just make you want to send a nasty email articulating your frustration to the parties responsible? Also, Alakaslam says he is not a problem. Can he be trusted? You just like, lightly finger of suspicion alakaslam, post a lot of irrelevant fluff, and tell me you appreciate my enthusiasm. What did any of that accomplish? It's done even less than reps, from what I can tell. On July 31 2013 08:43 DeusXmachina wrote: Also isn't excuses for not posting kind of a scummy thing to do? Basically saying "hey I can't post right now, but I don't want to call attention to myself for not posting, so here is my excuse" Why not just post a lot when you can and don't worry about the times you can't. Why are you like, fishing for responses here? All of this combined with your hard stance on someone so early that's really not backed up with a lot of facts makes me vote you. You're owning up to your thoughts, but your thoughts are over the top. ##VOTE DeusXmachina | ||
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Scum can happily put themselves in the center of attention, Hzflank in the previous game is a good example. He was a very vocal scum who made a case on a townie day one, and the only thing that thwarted him was an accidentally godlike serial killer shot (hi nightcat) filtering Holy for a sec to respond to stim, atm he's null, will see if anything sways me. | ||
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I'm not sold either way on Holy, leaning town, I guess. Him being the first person to try to jump into dialogue with me was nice~because why would scum bother talking because no one else had at that point and they'd rather see discussion fall flat~ And although the things he's said specifically I can't read either way, like, whatever. He's posted a lot. I don't mind his passive defending of anyone either, I do that too. So in the end, slightly townie. | ||
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StiM, initially, why did that post bug you? Like, did you dislike it because it was fluff or was there something else? | ||
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A: If you post and want to edit the post, you can use the handy acronym EBWOP (edit by way of post) and add/rephrase whatever you want to. B: there's a handy quote button, use it. Regardless~ fuck I'm not sold on that response at all, reps. Maybe Deus actually fucking nailed you early on. Who are your top scum reads and who are your top town reads? | ||
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also WHAZZAAAAAAAAAP I was hoping to be masoned to you but wasn't :< | ||
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are you literally counterclaiming vanilla townie? | ||
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For those who don't know, this is a PSA about alakaslam he's totally friggen insane AWESOME but crazy | ||
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On July 31 2013 15:14 Alakaslam wrote: GOD OF THE MACHINE SPEAK DEFENSE THYSELF you were referring to deus, right? | ||
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haha of course t.t I actually feel slightly embarassed because of that. | ||
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On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote: Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can. So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts. Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps). However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right? DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town. Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good. reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense. Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town. Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to. Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. Infii, why do you leave a backdoor for yourself? Why is neutrality a good thing? It's actually good to stir up discussion. I dislike the formatting of your list, but that can wait for another day. On July 31 2013 19:51 Holyflare wrote: I'm not sure we should be discussing peoples town reads this early on, it can be left to a later day. It tells mafia who to kill, if they eliminate the people that people are leaning towards in town then we are still back to square one. Mafia reads on the other hand are the things we do need to discuss; Stuff like this when the guy was under suspicion to begin with makes me think that he thinks he's clear after the Deus accusation and thus can afford to not fully contribute and mess around. Reps I want to hear some analysis; 1. Who do you think is mafia? 2. Are there any people that seem in collaboration? I want some actual analysis please, not some half hearted responses. What's wrong with discussing town reads early on? The more opinions there are out there the better. And why do you say "townreads this early are silly" and then IMMEDIATELY ask him for possible scum teams? That felt like you were telling me my question was stupid, and immediately asking the same question. That didn't contribute anything, but it sure as shit looked like he did. And remember, general noncontributions are scummy, that's why everyone hates reps~he hasn't actually talked at all. | ||
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You shouldn't only have to work with your town reads, you should be working with EVERY TOWNIE. So having your town reads killed is not a huge friggen deal. A lot that people seem to misunderstand, and I don't necessarily know if I'm correct, but this is certainly how I operate, is that people are town until proven scum, not scum until proven town. A natural byproduct of listing your scum reads is going to be listing your town reads, because if they aren't scum, THEY'RE TOWN. ~well you know until the serial killer but we don't talk about him. Like, I guess the point of all this is, I really promote the way Alakaslam and I play, which is to keep a log of your thoughts like you have diarrhea of the brain. The more clear people are with what they're thinking, the better! That said, reps, you never really listed scum reads (or town reads) did you, and then you pointed out lurkers, without saying anything about them, just like "dey lurkin" I want to believe you're just an idiotic newbie townie man, I really REALLY do. You are sure as shit are not making it easy though. | ||
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guys no lynching is retarded, the only weapon we have is our vote t.t so voting to no lynch is squandering your vote, and I'll happily switch votes to prevent a no lynch | ||
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that line from the video (still watching) sums up my position on how to treat players in the game, so being constantly suspicious of others is not actually productive. | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:31 Zyrre wrote: Was just about the post the same thoughts holy. Noting every single thought in the thread is a terrible idea if you are town. As you say holy, its a simple way for scum to fit in since you dont really have to commit to any single post. But also its not very productive. If you have a thought you should first pursue it yourself and compare against filters/other posts/votes etc and develop it in to an idea or theory, thats the work you are supposed to do as town. Spamming single thoughts and nitpicking on a single post is largely useless. just saw that after I posted. Zyrre, t.t like did you even say anything? I think you just said basically everything that flare said. liiiiike, why did you post that? "was just about to post the same thoughts holy." That line specifically who cares? why would you bother posting it if he has the same thoughts? Like, you're trying to get yourself into the discussion without saying anything. | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:54 sc_a.M wrote: Hey guys! In my opinion we should not kill anyone today but wait and let the investigators do the investigations. Perhaps there isn't even a SK and then everything would be fine! hey there sc_ I think that you might have misunderstood how this game goes :3 All of the work that town does is through day time votes. Relying on the night phase is not something we should do, there is more to the game than just waiting for the night phase, because mafia can kill someone every night. Voting to no lynch squanders the towns power, and this game isn't nearly as simple as you make it sound :3 | ||
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like, "dude what the hell?" That's not exactly saying a lot, there is a LOT to talk about. And you just were like, "guys there's nothing to analyze :<<<<" like, you said NOTHING. It told us NOTHING about what you're thinking that's independent of what others are thinking (yeah, literally everyone will look at sc_s first post and go "wtf") | ||
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alright, that case sold me on you not being scum atm. Specifically, the way your brought up your points and your mentality is very pro-town, in a way that your earlier posts were not. Reps is just so out there uninformed/bad/pick your word that I have a hard time believing he's scum, despite everything. Him randomly throwing a vote on me with THAT logic is just stupid. Most of the things he does are stupid, not scum. I guess I don't mind lynching him, because some of it is scum. Deus, what do you think about people that aren't reps? Specifically infii. And reps, what do you think of people that aren't me? Specifically infii, again. On August 01 2013 06:52 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Why? Doesn't it make sense to try to get a solid read first? Otherwise odds are we are just killing off our own? conceptually, I prefer to always lynch no matter what forever. Totally policy "we could be lynching one of our own though" well lynch the scummiest or second scummiest, there's always the possibility of lynching one of our own. The thing is, if you take away the lynch, town has literally nothing concrete left. This IS our power in the game. This is all half of the people in this game can DO. So by nature, voting to no lynch is wasting that power. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:44 reps)squishy wrote: Anyone, anyone! That defends me in the smallest way (Usami) you should be super suspicious of them it's the oldest move in the mafia strategy. Here is his defense. Anyone that votes to lynch me is town. Mafia won't waste a lynch someone that the town is going to lynch already. ~oldest move in mafia strategy why do you say this? Are you backtracking from the path of newb? Like, you're trying to change your playstyle to make you look like less of a noob, and I really don't get it, because you're not doing things that are pro town, you're just messing around. Scum? Sure! Troll? guess so! like~I don't know what you're playing at if you're town. On August 01 2013 08:34 reps)squishy wrote: Deus you talk as if you are sooo positive that I am a townie and you want to lynch me anyway. Why? I smell scum all over you. Why are you backtracking? Why isn't Deus town anymore? ##VOTE reps | ||
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So either way it's benefiting town, is what he's trying to communicate. I don't think that people should vote you because they think you're counterproductive, but because you're scum. | ||
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you have preformed jack. there are LOTS of good reasons for voting you. There's nothing stopping you from ignoring everyone and going and independently building cases on people and posting them, because I think we can all look past the "who posted it" to the "jesus this is scummy as crap" when you just sit here and whine about people voting you, that's not a compelling reason to switch off. He IS correct in thinking that you're hurting us if you're not scum. You are hurting town if you are not scum. (this implies that if you're scum, you're helping town by being an obvious target) The way to be interpreted as a townie is to be townie, not to be like "why don't people believe me :<<<<" because scum can say EXACTLY what you're saying. Nothing about what you've done actually helps us read you as town, we just have to wifom ourselves into thinking you're town. But if you just look at everything objectively, you're scum. | ||
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On July 22 2013 15:32 Blazinghand wrote: Player List 1) Zyrre 2) Alakaslam 3) Nightcat99 4) HolyFlare 5) DeusXmachina 6) Umasi 7) RDaneelOlivaw 8) StiMaDDict 9) reps)squishy 10) sc_a.M 11) Gotard 12) infii Replacement List 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) 12 of 12 Players Remaining 3 of 3 Problems Remaining I think holyflare just linked the entire OP. This specifically should lead you to what we want you to work with. | ||
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On July 31 2013 12:14 Umasi wrote: That said, I'm not a fan of this post at all, because it specifically says "let's get the ball rolling" and then like, doesn't get the ball rolling? Don't command us to do what you want, try to start it up if you are legitimately invested in it. Moreover, You just like, lightly finger of suspicion alakaslam, post a lot of irrelevant fluff, and tell me you appreciate my enthusiasm. What did any of that accomplish? It's done even less than reps, from what I can tell. Why are you like, fishing for responses here? All of this combined with your hard stance on someone so early that's really not backed up with a lot of facts makes me vote you. You're owning up to your thoughts, but your thoughts are over the top. ##VOTE DeusXmachina Because a lot of these points still hold true. Reps is a better lynch because, after you posted your re~case and thoughts, you've shown the ability to actually contribute in a meaningful way, that I don't think you had exhibited until that point. reps is constant nonsense and refuses to alter what he's doing at all, so he's a better lynch. | ||
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they're probably scum. it's just as easy to be crazy scum as it is to be crazy town, yeah? | ||
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wham bam slam you're scum brooooo (this is a joke for all who are curious btw) | ||
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but if reps flips town, and we're all just like "well they went balls out to get him lynched so they can't be scum" and they're ACTUALLY SCUM, what did they lose? You don't get towncred for pushing a mislynch on a townie. Likewise though, they aren't condemned because of it. You need more than a single key point to say "this guy IS scum because of THIS action" or "this guy IS town because of THIS action". Look at their motivations for doing something, that's equally important as what actually occurs. | ||
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friendly reminder make sure you tell us you voted in the gameplay thread as well as voting in the voting thread, some people may not check the vote thread as frequently. | ||
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so if we lynched like, the doctor or some shit, it would tell us that we lynched reps the IT Contractor (Doctor) or something similar. Blazinghand can clarify if he wants though | ||
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On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote: Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. Why are you preemptively defending yourself? reps hasn't flipped yet, and you think he's scum. Hell, that entire post, ALL of it, is written on the contingency that reps is town. You read as unsure whether to proceed with the lynch because you're worried about the possible aftermath as it concerns you, not because you might be mislynching a townie. I don't want to talk about you too much, because reps is more important to clear up first. Like, you can feel free to keep pushing yourself into the issue, but that's just counterproductive, because if reps flips scum (like we think he will) I'm not voting you ANYWAY. | ||
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On August 02 2013 03:22 reps)squishy wrote: I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M. I am trying my best to get information out of people to help town win. I know I unvoted and voted other people but I do that to try to get people to talk. RDaneelOlivaw is busy or a lurker so he was my first vote. Usami defended me which I thought I could do my self so I thought he was defending me as a scum cover up changed my mind and went with infii because he seems pretty shady does no come up with answers but excuses. I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M. That specific line helps a lot. I want you to scum hunt reps, don't go back on your word here. Just because you're off my personal chopping block (dunno about everyone elses) doesn't mean you can go goof around again. This entire push feels wrong, because the tone of your typing feels like you're legitimately trying, and legitimately confused. You've been a detriment to town, but if we can work through that, it may turn out better in the end, and I don't want to lynch you anymore. I'd rather just lynch the scummiest, and you are no longer the scummiest. I am going out to lunch in fifteen ish minutes, going to reread and decide who to vote on. I don't think reps is our lynch. That said, I do want to see a lynch through though. ##UNVOTE REPS | ||
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On August 02 2013 02:44 sc_a.M wrote: No, well eventually maybe, I think I am going to get killed next day anyway, the reason you kill reps is the same you can apply to me, only reps started posting earlier (and after seeing the reactions I didn't really bother), what he said made sense to me. That you hate him so much gave me a day I guess. Perhaps after night time when we actually have the chance on some clues we can do more than the random lynching that is occuring at the moment. I don't understand why beeing against random lynching, and nothing else you can do day1 is anti town, but what ever. ##vote no-lynch Don't do thaaaaaaaaat. No lynching is stupid t.t Also, don't preemptively martyr when it's the end of day one and you have a single vote on you. It's a far better idea to start scumhunting. We won't get clues from the nighttime, all we'll know is if there is a serial killer or not. The only revealing thing is the nightkill, but even then, what would you learn from that? Like, if deus died and flipped town. What happens then? Nothing is really revealed. In fact, it might just be more confusing. No lynching is bad. We aren't random lynching, we're legitimately putting thought into who we're voting, that's the entire POINT. I'll give you a small grace period as per reps, get your ass in gear, and by that I specifically mean go filter dive people and see what you can come up with. This applies to you Rdaneel, don't just mildly comment on things, bring up things we haven't talked about and discuss it all, or discuss old things to death, as long as it's not about reps. We've beaten reps to death. | ||
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On August 02 2013 03:52 StiMaDDict wrote: Reps, do not vote infi. We have like an hour left right? Go scum hunt and do it quick. Do a quick analysis and an in-depth one. If you are a scum, then forget it. quick analysis and in depth is by definition impossible. that's the difference between the two. (but yeah, please go do shit) StiM, why do you not want him to vote infii? | ||
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reps played shitty too, is that a reason to vote him? I can make the same case. I think we're better off lynching infii. | ||
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That's how hard my opinion of reps has swung, to the point that I'm willing to no lynch over his death. ##VOTE INFII I'm out of time. I'll explain the vote more later, when I have time. | ||
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On August 02 2013 04:54 Nightcat99 wrote: it works, and you shall just post now, umasi is not answering . So its super scummy to me, hes the number 1 target tomorrow. I am going out to lunch in fifteen ish minutes, going to reread and decide who to vote on was afk, I made that clear. On August 02 2013 04:04 Umasi wrote: And yeah, I recognize a no-lynch might occur. That's how hard my opinion of reps has swung, to the point that I'm willing to no lynch over his death. ##VOTE INFII I'm out of time. I'll explain the vote more later, when I have time. I've made that clear too. I was pretty much perfectly clear on everything. I agree what I did was scummy, because I'm a proponent of never ever no lynch. THAT is how hard my opinion swayed on him. Since reps flipped town, I'm looking at deus and infii. Infii moreso than deus. Most of what Gotard has posted about infii has had merit, which is why I voted him. He's been noncommittal, has posted excuses for not posting (it's too hard to do(fuck try anyway dammit)) On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote: Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. deus with that post. I've explained my thoughts on it here, posted for your convenience. On August 01 2013 15:38 Umasi wrote: Why are you preemptively defending yourself? reps hasn't flipped yet, and you think he's scum. Hell, that entire post, ALL of it, is written on the contingency that reps is town. You read as unsure whether to proceed with the lynch because you're worried about the possible aftermath as it concerns you, not because you might be mislynching a townie. I don't want to talk about you too much, because reps is more important to clear up first. Like, you can feel free to keep pushing yourself into the issue, but that's just counterproductive, because if reps flips scum (like we think he will) I'm not voting you ANYWAY. On August 02 2013 05:10 Zyrre wrote: Since Alakaslam and Umasi probably are not mafia now(or are taking on a mafia playstyle of the joker), can I please ask you to be more succint in your posts and not spam every single one of your thougts. reps flip as town does not mean we are town. It's just as easy for mafia to be correct about someones alignment as it is towns. In fact, it's easier! If anyone has questions for me, I'm around for the rest of the day, as far as I know. | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:20 DeusXmachina wrote: Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum. I have a hunch that one of them is scum. I plan on spending a lot of time looking into those two. Deus, that's FALSE. We got a mislynch on a bad townie, but he'd shown he was willing to try to improve. Although I can definitely see where that line of thinking comes from, mislynching is not a good thing. like, fucking ever. Would have been better to lynch one of our two lurkers, and even then, I'd prefer to vote infii. If they're still lurking by the end of day two then dammit I'll happily vote them because they've had time to get in gear. | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:27 DeusXmachina wrote: ?? It is guaranteed that mafia is correct on someones alignment. They know who town is lol. +1 | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:29 DeusXmachina wrote: Woah woah woah. I think most of us were in agreement that reps was a bad townie and not helping. Were we just supposed to hope that he would get better? Sorry bro but if he had real motivation to improve we would have seen it by now. Still a good lynch. Are you telling me that you have enough information to lynch someone else. Hardly. Any candidate you throw out would be just as likely to be a miss-lynch. No matter how you cut it, miss lynching is not a good thing. I don't even know why you CARE what I think about the miss lynch, and calling it a bad thing. The reason I care about what your opinions on it are is because you post a meaningless statement that feels like you're trying to include yourself. Well town we got what we wanted. Getting rid of reps is still a victory, just not as big as if he were scum. And deus, he did show motivation to improve, you actually responded to it yourself. On August 01 2013 14:35 DeusXmachina wrote: Last post before I go to bed. Good to see more people are taking a stance against reps. Reps, don't defend yourself by making a case of your innocence, defend yourself by contributing. This is a start. Q1 is good. If you're town you should be able to offer a lot more. You still seem scummy to me. Umasi, this is directed at you: You said that depending on the reps flip you would still consider me as scum. Hhooookayy can we get past my first posts please. Haven't I already said several times that they were shit? That is your grounds for suspicion? I invite everyone to filter my posts and look them over. I am one of the most townie people in this game, and my later posts have definitely proved that. Umasi for this reason you are going on my notes list under suspicions. If reps flips town the most scummy individuals will be the ones who voted against reps last. The ones who vote reps at the end are the ones who vote to fit in. They don't vote someone else because they would be expected to make a case against the person they are voting against. Furthermore, they don't jump in early on and take an active stance because of the fear of unwanted attention. We should be suspicious of anyone who lurks and votes reps after this post, unless they can offer an in depth explanation of why they are voting against him. I am aware that if reps is town there is probably a talented scum that has been able to work there way into this argument in a way that appears pro town. We can work on them later. However, scum play with the fear of being noticed. They play with the fear of attention. Although it may be extremely subtle, the fear shows itself in their posts i.e a late vote like I talked about above. "this is a good start" implying he'd started to improve. The more you respond, the worse a feeling I get about you. | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:41 StiMaDDict wrote: I actually kind of want to kill Deus. I feel bad for reps.. :< like it sucks, but whatever. keep objective. If you want to kill deus for a reason other than pitying reps, what are your thoughts specifically? | ||
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You said your plan was to look at me and slam for scum. Who else are you thinking? town reads, scum reads, anything. | ||
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You, daneel, are posting (I think) because we pressured you to post, so there's no reason to not pressure scam for not posting. because we want him to post. If you ignore a lurker, and don't vote a lurker, why on earth would they not keep on lurking? You'd have to hope it was just a scum not talking. But what if it's just another lazy town? | ||
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and even thne, he spends a lot of that post talking about the implications of reps flipping town, and at the end says that he's anti scam and stim. Why is he anti stim? Why wasn't he anti Daneel? Slam, he blatantly says that he won't post analysis on day one because there is not enough information to go on. (this is accepted to be untrue.) He also spends most of the time in that quote defending himself against a single vote (I think it was just gotard at the time. if reps was on him at the time, doesn't really count as pressure :<) | ||
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you can't just go tell people memes/gifs are bad and then post something like that, slam. it's not okay! | ||
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In retrospect, of course it was the correct move, to no lynch and not lynch him, because he was town. I'll go reread slam and see what I come up with, you have a point that I've been kind of taking him as town for no reason. | ||
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there are three of three problems left "scum" are "problems" there are currently eleven players, any number of them may be third party, and there are three scum players left alive. ---------------------stuff above this is what we concretely know. Stuff below it is my own thoughts. Also, balance does not dictate that there is a serial killer, 3 scum in twelve players is not imbalanced afaik. There could be a serial killer though! Serial killers should be null on balance (afaik again) because they're their own faction. | ||
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holyflare could wait till after his post, but I don't think he's scum regardless. | ||
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~I still don't know why slam and stim think infii is town, if you want to enlighten me, go for it, unless I missed a post, in which case, point it out to me~ my thoughts on alakaslam~ upon rereading him, he "felt town". It's hard to understand what he's saying a lot of the time, but I've kind of gotten the hang of it, I think. He has six pages of gameplay in his filter, and there's no reason for scum to be as active as he has been, and he's thrown himself around with reckless abandon. I'm willing to overlook him till later in the game, I don't think he's who we should target lynch wise. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:01 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: As a note to all parties, I will be offline from now until tomorrow evening again...so ask any last questions about my innocence within the next fifteen minutes or hang on to them for a while. That type of post is the kind of thing that makes me want to lynch you. Specifically, that you were around to be innocent/clear innocence compared to discussing with others and trying to figure the game out | ||
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Fair enough. | ||
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I'm honestly pretty confused and not too sure anymore. Lots of people like infii for town (and I STILL don't know why :<), and I've flipped opinions on deus a lot and no longer know what to think. scam is who I'd default to in this case, because lurking. I think that Rdaneel is still slightly town after his talking during the night phase, and apparently we can expect more, so I'm looking forward to it. If it was just to get pressure off of him though, it would be pretty scummy. Nightcat and StiM I get a general town vibe from, Nightcat a little bit less so, but the way StiM is playing feels familiar to the way he normally plays (and that might be me meta biasing myself a little bit). I haven't reread either of them. The way holyflare is looking at things is pro-town, so I like him for town. I still think that Gotard was pushing infii with legitimate points, and I might be meta-biasing again, and I'm trying not to :< Slam is forever crazy, feels pretty town. So in the end, I'd prefer people look at scam and rdaneel, and to not let deus get away with things, because his early aggression doesn't buy him as much free town cred as a lot of people think. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:55 sc_a.M wrote: I don't think you're totally right on reps, somehow it is so that beeing a newby appears to be scummy. We're in the same boat, and I don't think we should gang up on the newst members. I don't understand how can vote on someone without the possibilty of evidence, it's just random. Perhaps he felt intimidated, I too hate the thought of beeing lead by a mafia friendly person. Yeah, I want to get scam out of the way first. This post reads like he knew what was up with reps beforehand, he didn't actually hard defend his stance on reps, and he hasn't accused anyone of anything in any of his posts, where they're all slipped in. I'm going to be obvious and pressure him into doing things, and if he doesn't do good things, just lynch him. If we don't deal with him SOMETIME, but he keeps coming back to no lynch, it'll just be a hassle later on. VOTE sc_a.M. (gg holyflare) | ||
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His no lynch post is just shitty aside from the entire no lynch part of it, because he preemptively is like "I am gonna die" for no reason at all. His not posting is what's killing him. Do you have a reason to think he isn't scum? There's no reason to not pressure him because he isn't even talking, so the best way to get him to start doing things is to start pressuring him :< There is zero in there that is objectively good. | ||
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I had to go, as I mentioned, (which isn't a good reason at all), but that's how it is. I was THAT sure that reps would be town that I was risking a no-lynch to keep him up. a lot of it is the timeframe when I wake up (I really had to slam out that night post(no pun intended)). scams reasons for a no lynch were not something I could get on board with, at all, and nothing about it felt town. I CAN get on board with my reasons for a no-lynch, and that's the difference. Has anyone explained why infii is town? I'm still not sold on him. | ||
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Basically, go read this page of his filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422313&user=reps)squishy¤tpage=2 it doesn't fit a scum mindset, he was actually trying to change the way he was playing through the course of it. infii was a better target because he spent more time defending himself, the points brought up against him were strong and I agreed with them (go read gotards filter) (this also happens to be why holyflare lumped us together) On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote: That sounds so much pro scum that it almost can't be true. Please clarify your post if you are town. I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?) I hated that post specifically, his justification for not doing analysis at all, and his entrance with a list that was super wishy washy, and he called me scummy for things that were pro-town, and that elicited a "uuuuuuuuh dude?" kind of response. It didn't feel like he was a confused townie, it felt like he was looking for something to say about me that made me scummy. The reaction to that post might have been a little omgus? I don't really think so though. He was obnoxious and confrontational to gotards legitimate points, and it felt like he was sidestepping suspicion. I still think that he's scummy, but StiM is POSITIVE he's town, and I think StiM is town. Holyflare thought he was town (and holyflare is obviously one of the two towniest players (the other is reps)) I still haven't seen reasons that he's town, and I still want them. didn't format it super clearly, sorry =/ Basically reps didn't fit a scum mindset with the second page of his filter, in my experience he would have just gone quiet, he struggled a lot and was very present. infii was a better target because he entered with a stupid list filled with baseless reasons for reads, was very neutral himself, and responded in ways that seemed like he was trying to defend himself, and justified his no posting with ridiculous reasons. infii is still a good target imo, and I'm still waiting for someone to explain why he's town that isn't "I just think he's town" deus, who are you going to focus on currently? | ||
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basically, before this you were kinda scummy, now you're pretty townie. If you want me to respond to any points in your case, feel free to ask if I didn't cover it in my previous post linked here for your convenience http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422313¤tpage=42#838 | ||
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It was not clear that reps was going to be lynched, here's why: If it were clear, then people wouldn't get angry at me for endangering the lynch. and the entire point behind my reasoning is that I'd have preferred a no lynch than a reps lynch. | ||
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Rdaneel it looks like you just recased everything that holyflare and infii said. I'm not actually seeing anything that I should bother addressing or haven't addressed yet. | ||
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Rdaneel, what do you think of scam? I think it's smart to pressure him (although if he goes totally afk then we can leave him for the modkill), and you're not going to convince me I'm scum basically ever, so in lieu of other people to talk to~(unless other people are actually around) | ||
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Me and gotard being similarly suspicious of infii isn't weird, people who think that infii was town are weird, because he was scummy (not anymore) also, if reps were an easy mislynch to push, why would I immediately target deus? Wouldn't it be more logical to keep pushing reps? Because that was early enough it wasn't "concrete" that reps was gonna get lynched. | ||
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No ones actually making it clear. | ||
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(yeah, it's wifom, the thoughts not even occuring to you, and since I brought up you should just ignore it I guess.) (btw, the town motivation for no lynching instead of mis lynching is the fact that we don't kill a townie.) | ||
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because my opinions of reps were constantly changing, and I didn't just at the start of the day say "reps is X"? | ||
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Gotard, since he's wrong about infii (at least, I think so), is someone I'll go reread. not right now, watching lcs. I'll talk about him after this game though. I obviously didn't intend to switch back alakaslam, I was fucking afk, and would have welcomed a no-lynch as I've stated really frequently. Just because you thought infii was townier does not mean he was actually townier, don't shove your opinions as the law, disagreeing with you is not scummy -.- (directed at slam) | ||
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Do you NOT want to pressure the lurker? Is that just not something you want to have happen? Why is pressuring scam to get him to post a bad idea? | ||
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and yeah~zyrre not posting is fucking confusing, he's equally important to pressure, but he's sure as shit done more than scam. ~i'm hardly even watching atm and I want to watch :< | ||
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You are actually hard to comprehend sometimes and that is bad, so this is just a person request, make it easy for everyone :< going against my own policy isn't even scummy, it's just weird. And people think that getting off of reps would give towncred, it honestly shouldn't. It's me acting by my personal views of the situation. | ||
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I couldn't possibly explain why every thought didn't occur to me at the correct time, if you want me to, you're asking for the impossible. | ||
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On August 03 2013 10:28 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: My point is its a bad town play if he wants to actually survive, which is a valid consideration. If he were town, it would be stupid. If he is not stupid, which I think we can accept at this point as fact, then it's probably not a play he makes if he is town. That is my point. Thats obviously not my only reason for suspecting him anyway.. Doesn't even matter, townies like to survive but I have nothing to fear, and I don't play to get towncred. | ||
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On July 31 2013 08:00 Gotard wrote: YES! I'm always scummy! Lurking like a boss! Needlessly responds to me then goes lurker mode again. On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote: This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii I don't normally like general statements about the game, they feel like trying to blend in. At this point, he brings up legitimate points against infii's logic, but he doesn't vote him for the same reasons I'd find the post scummy. He votes him on a logic inconsistency, not on the basis of "this is scum motivated" (fwiw it's a shitty list of nothing but noncommittal stuff, where he just kind of generally comments on things, and even includes a disclaimer) On August 01 2013 00:27 Gotard wrote: Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people? I agree with both points. lynching town is never a good thing, but not lynching isn't normally wise either~ On August 01 2013 03:00 Gotard wrote: Look at his 1st post. This is a useless list. Almost everyone is neutral. His argumentation is super weak. Zero quotes. Nothing. If you think someone is scummy put some effort into it. Posting like that is an easy way to fake some contribution which is scumy. Because it doesn't make much sense to lynch people randomly... Do you really expect that you will be 100% sure that someone is mafia before lynching that person? On August 01 2013 03:11 Gotard wrote: "There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town" There is no way you can agree with that sentence. He engages infii in useless discussion about no lynching or not. He's saying he's scummy because infii has different opinions, not because infii has scum motivations. (that said, infii also engages gotard in useless discussion, so it's equally scummy on his part) On August 01 2013 07:46 Gotard wrote: "My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M" Really? I mean, really? If you are targeting something it would be nice if you would explain to us why you think that particular behaviour is scummy. No lynch seems like a bad option to me but in the last game I played there was a guy who wanted no lynch and he was town. This is an opinion and of course you can argue with it but you need to tell why you don't agree. If you say something is scummy tell us why and i mean WHY not some meaningless one-liner. I agree with gotard pretty hard here, in terms of his stance. On August 01 2013 08:08 Gotard wrote: There's is still a lot of time left until deadline. You can't panic and posts like "oh", "Happy?" or hue hue picture doesn't help and are not pro town in any way because all they do is taking away all of the attention and you lose your chance to create good content. Your defense so far is "hello i'm noob! Hue hue! happy? no? eeh!? I read some guides don't lynch me!". If you are pressured you need to prove your innocence not by crying for help but by being useful for town. Read guides, read your filter. Do you think you are pro town? I don't think so. When he addresses someone OTHER than infii, he tells him "you're scummy" and then leaves it at that. He doesn't actually tell him to improve, or anything like that, he just states to reps what's wrong with him, (and at this point, that might not be a bad way to blend in on the reps lynch, because we were all pretty much telling him what was wrong with him) On August 01 2013 08:13 Gotard wrote: It sounds like to hazard to me. You can never be sure if someone doesn't have free time, doesn't feel like reading thread/filters or anything else but if you will find something interesting, who knows? needlessly reply, didn't affect anything, kinda blending inny. On August 01 2013 17:13 Gotard wrote: When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step. Look at that post: This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy? Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people? Rereading this, I agree with the justification, and I agree that infii looks scummy, but these are points that could be brought up as scum by town, or by town against town, or by town against scum. It's just a rehash of other things about him that have been thrown around.that said, the justification is sound. On August 01 2013 22:11 Gotard wrote: Maybe not but that was my impression and frankly this is pretty much what you do. Lurking and waiting. Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness. You do that again. You say something and then there are no arguments. Why "The way he confronts reps" is scummy? Why reps flipping red indicates that Umasi is mafia as well. Why defending reps isn't scummy when "his argumentation is repetitive and overall not very convincing, therefore I agree that even if he is town". How can we support each other if we don't know who is town? We need to pressure and find scum not say "Hello my friends I love you all and I shall support you even when you look scummy as fuck!". Specifically this line: "Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness." He's disagreeing with infii, he gives the impression that he thinks reps is scum, but he doesn't actually vote reps -.- On August 02 2013 05:08 Gotard wrote: Yeah I'm staying with my vote. I hate when someone make excuses like this: This is what scum want to do: Interpret post in a way that will make town scummy and purposely hide certain context of post and exaggerate stuff than might be scummy. Writing one-line reasoning helps to achieve that goal. You need to share your thoughts you can't assume that someone else thinks in the same way or is clever enough to catch certain scummy behavior. Why do you think lynching sc_a.M/Stimaddict? I can't see good pro town reasoning behind his posts. -In his 1st post he says that Umasi is his 1st scumread. -I pressure him -He quotes Umasi's posts that were made after his accusation. ????? He still fails to deliver reasoning behind his very 1st post.. like, he sticks to his guns, but reading it I didn't get the feeling from his posts against infii that he actually thought infii was scum, just bad and nonsensical. He DOES seem to refer to reps as scum though, but sticks on infii. The rest of his filter (he doesn't post more till after lynch) is just null to me. rereading it, although I agree that infii was scummy day one, his soft incriminating finger of reps is suspicious, when he chooses to stick with infii. My thoughts on him are pretty scummy, but not surefire scum. I'd rather pressure scam into doing things, but could be convinced either way. He's #2 for me to look at after scam. (in terms of lynching.) 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On July 31 2013 20:14 Zyrre wrote: Reading through filters this morning trying to make some sense of the DeusX->reps->Umasi/alakaslam exchanges. reps: This post seems to be very town at first to me, however, following this post is 2.5h of posts where suspicion is aimed at DeusX instead. Then reps decides anyway to post this: If he was going to point by point defend himself, why not do it right away? Seems overly defensivve too me since people did not jump on the wagon with DeusX and instead was questioning him at the time. Later, he posts this: To me it seems Alakaslam was saying that there was evidence DeusX was scummy. Even if he misread this as there being evidence that he(reps) was scummy, why would he as a proclaimed newbie claim his role when there was even talk about how very situational it was in the pregame? All this together seems very scummy to me, confused to bad townie at best. DeusX: His aggresion so early might seem scummy, but I think his strategy if he was scum is terrible. Yes as pointed out you can be vocal scum, but not in the way he is doing it. You would need to be much more neutral but still post a lot. Going all out and be the first guy to accuse someone first day, when chances are we will accidentaly lynch a town anyway, just why? No reason at all to do this. The only reason to start a new lynch would be if a mafia was already targeted which wasnt the case. In conclusion: he might be over-aggresive and his arguments may be weak, but not a mafia read from me so far. Umasi/alakasam: A bit hard to make sense of some of their chatter. However, just on the point they are also starting their own lynch and generally being friendly like that in the thread would make me lean town on them. I dont see why mafia would make such a strong connection between themselves for no reason (if one of them turns out mafia the other would be instantly lynched at next opportunity). Conclusion: Pretty much neutral atm for me. he reads to me as kind of confused townie in this post. He tries to make more of mine and alakaslams talking than exists, but to people who don't know that alakaslam and I are similar in posting style, it is probably pretty confusing :< The way he touches on deusx and reps though makes me feel good about him, I like his pointing out about reps overdefensiveness, (although I don't necessarily agree that reps was over defensive), it does show that he was actually thinking, but he wasn't accusatory in tone. he defaulted to caution and didn't make more of things than existed. On July 31 2013 23:15 Zyrre wrote: Reading that Umasi post I remember it stuck out to me as well, forgot to mention it in my previous post. He did post this also however: (later on he goes back to saying reps is confused townie again) Asking reps to do some actual pro-town work there seems odd if he is indeed defending fellow scum, although I believe it was during his spam fest so maybe can't put too much weight on it. I agree about a possible weak mafia connection there, and probably will be voting reps to lynch. I'll hold off voting until the other guys start posting again though. again, he makes it clear what he's thinking, and he's not nitpicking scummy things (which I like). On August 01 2013 04:31 Zyrre wrote: Was just about the post the same thoughts holy. Noting every single thought in the thread is a terrible idea if you are town. As you say holy, its a simple way for scum to fit in since you dont really have to commit to any single post. But also its not very productive. If you have a thought you should first pursue it yourself and compare against filters/other posts/votes etc and develop it in to an idea or theory, thats the work you are supposed to do as town. Spamming single thoughts and nitpicking on a single post is largely useless. I remember getting angry about him for saying "was about to post the same thoughts", and still don't like that sentence, he says a lot of pointless stuff in this post, and just kinda soft agrees with holy. This is the first post that I look at and say "I do not like this for town." on him. his next post is similar, beats the same horse. On August 01 2013 23:18 Zyrre wrote: I had infli as pretty much neutral until his last post. This is what he states when deciding who he will vote on: - scam and reps are both useless at best, but reps posting is also potentially scummy - he will vote for scam, but switch to reps if necessary(im assuming to avoid no lynch) Seems odd to me to choose scam over reps when he says essentially the same thing about them except add some scum reads on reps. Next on Umasi Doesn't make sense at all, most are against reps atm and it would be so much easier as mafia just to go along and go "yep, hes scummy alright" then to be the most aggressive one. On Alakaslam This sounds quite random at first but reasoning is sound I think. If Alakaslam is town he might want to give reps some pointers in the event reps is actually town. If Alakaslam is mafia the only reason he would want to do this would be if reps was mafia, dont think he would establish that connection so publicly though when chances are very high reps will get lynched this night anyway. In summation, leaning slightly towards mafia for infli right now. However, if infli is mafia I would say there is a very strong chance that reps is it too. No real reason for infli NOT to vote reps if reps is town, its just so much easier for him to blend in that way. So either way: ##vote reps)squishy On to DeusX Firstly he started up discussions by voting reps early on, I saw that as a town move. He might have been overly aggressive on him, but that seems to me as a bad scum move also. His latest post makes me not worry about him so much. He didnt contribute much analysis himself, but gave a lot of sound town advice. For instance, lets keep analyzing all players even if we are gonna lynch reps since we can gain more info. Also pressuring someone is good way to get info and townies should be fearless. So even if he is playing a kind of mafia leading the town, he is still giving good advice and not keeping everyone focused only on reps. Looking at where he's coming from with this post, and the things he's looking at(why people are doing things), since it's not just needless nitpicking, but he's also taking a stance, but not overcommitting (which isn't necessarily bad), he's making it pretty clear what he thinks, so I say town, despite that one post involving holyflare and my method of posting. The rest continues to be pretty weak reasoning, but none of it's actually scummy. I stopped posting because at that post, unless I'm overlooking something pretty hard, I think he's town. | ||
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to summarize; gotard pretty scummy(with the way he brought up things with infii and reps, yet not voting reps), zyrre pretty sure town, (his posting is townie, combined with holyflares read on him) that said, zyrre, you do need to come post more, I don't want to see you modkilled :< (his inactivity does not make him scum) | ||
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did you see my post on gotard, slam =/ | ||
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Nightcat and StiM I get a general town vibe from, Nightcat a little bit less so, but the way StiM is playing feels familiar to the way he normally plays (and that might be me meta biasing myself a little bit). I haven't reread either of them. from my if I die post. | ||
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On August 03 2013 12:59 Alakaslam wrote: Oh yeah. The deal you quoted with Gotard and Indio. Neither appears to have understood the other fully. Indio is saying the post Gotard dislikes was aimed at scam. Makes a little sense to me, he means he wasn't saying he would not get reads, but that he was telling scam that this was how he was behaving and only justification he could think of was that scam thinks you can't get info day one. It would be a lie I think though, scam hadn't posted at that point if I remember right. Then Gotard went on to attack what Indio actually wound up saying, according to himself Really a stretch but then that is the only way I can see it that makes sense because I can't make sense of the post. The one where Gotard says "really? Directed at scam?" Or some such confusing I didn't actually understand most of what you said right there, is what I mean. | ||
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getting scam out of the way is my focus atm. I'll dive RDO sometime, but not right now, I'm pretty burnt out from playing today. Was curious about zyrre since he hadn't posted for a while, so that's why I looked at him specifically. Gotard, because a lot of people lumped me and him together as scummates. If you guys want me to do the same kind of post analysis thing that I did for gotard and zyrre, I will, just not right now. I'd probably look at rdo, stim, and nightcat in some order. | ||
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(just checking in, gonna bounce again. read that by scam, why on earth would we let him live, since modkills aren't happening? According to Ange.) | ||
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On August 04 2013 08:59 Alakaslam wrote: He is tomorrow. Look at his post- scum game is fun and he swears like his role is no fun. I think that means he is survivor. Oh for shits sake why would anyone ever want scam to live? He's going to have to be dealt with eventually, why on earth not right now? Like, I can't make a case saying "he is scum because this", but you'd have to be out of your minds to let someone who is obviously lurking forever live. I'll swap to secure a lynch on gotard, but scam is just straight up a better lynch. | ||
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##UNVOTE sc.a.M. ##VOTE GOTARD | ||
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who started that anyway? calling me usami, that is. as for focusing on gotard, the easiest way to prove my innocence is to find and lynch scum, so when I read gotard and was like "he's actually scummy" it was reasonable to state my thoughts on him/make a pseudo case. Still want scam dead :< | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truancy_(novel) Became my handle for literally everything ever since then. | ||
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Usami Aren't you cool. On August 03 2013 08:14 infii wrote: Yes I read your post. What I was trying to ask is: why did you unvote reps specifically at that time so close before lynch? What did you hope to accomplish by this? As you stated reps convinced you to swap to a possible no-lynch with this argument: "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M." I just can't get my mind around how that sentence can change an opinion at all, and like I said, especially at that time. It felt like he was struggling more than I'd expect a scum would, and it's not the first time I've felt this way. If you want a precedent, go read the last newbie mini mafia where we mislynch jrkirby day one. I was town, and you can see me shouting in the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420227 it's not the first time I'd been in the position, and I was kind of reminded of it. it wasn't identical, obviously, but it just felt similar, so I decided to pull off. (and then I had to immediately afk afterward) It was a culmination of all of reps bullshit finally bubbling over and me saying 'fuck it'. Obviously emotional, probably ill advised, but that's why. | ||
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Someone needs to fucking vote swap dammit. | ||
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Like, feel the fuck free, I guess, but there's no reason to do what you just did from a mafia or a town viewpoint. | ||
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On August 05 2013 04:53 Zyrre wrote: Your reasoning doesnt make any sense. If I believe you are mafia why would you pressuring me change that? And yes, Gotard would logically be town if I think you and Umasi are mafia. So presumably you buy his cop claim as the truth, and RDO makes up the third member of the team? Why would rdo push me so hard early on if he was a scumteam with me. | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:00 DeusXmachina wrote: If stimaddict gets mod killed do we get a replacement? Maybe even reps)squishy he might get replaced, but certainly not by reps | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:38 Zyrre wrote: Calling all townies, less then 3.5hours left until lynch We need EVERYONE to vote on the same person, at this time most of us seem to agree on Umasi. ##unvote DeusXmachina ##vote Umasi My suspicion for third member of scum team is also Alakaslam. Due to his very weak suspicions of Umasi (similar to DeusX, explained in my wall of text) and then switching to Gotard, together with Umasi, stating only "I dont like who is voting on the same person as me". When I called on people to vote Umasi or convince me of Gotard in my last post he instead called me scummy, stated his vote was set and went afk. Not very strong implications on their own, if Umasi flips red I would guess him though. We will have to see. This post made me reconsider my read on zyrre. Mainly because, most people at the time were saying "gotard has no defense, Umasi's is good." So I don't know why you felt I was the more agreed upon target. Motivation for this of course is obvious, it grabs the idea of town consensus and calls for the vote on me to attempt to save gotard. Hell, why did you call for us so hard to consolidate and then NOT CONSOLIDATE? Gonna entirely flip flop my stance on him, I think Zyrre is the last scum. gonna bold that for emphasis WHY DID YOU CALL FOR US TO CONSOLIDATE AND THEN RESIST FOR SO LONG, WHEN WE NEEDED EVERYBODY TO VOTE FOR THE SAME PERSON his deus post On August 04 2013 04:45 Zyrre wrote: Let's talk about DeusXmachina: While his day 1 strategy might seem a bit risky as a whole. Consider that he could have changed his mind many times throughout. Since most people agreed on reps being lynched, he could simply carry on. His inital reasons however, were very weak and almost nonsensical. reps said he was a newbie only twice after the game started. Might seem excessive but hardly a sure sign of scum as he claims. He also said this: #1 Simply not true. He said it once. #2 Effectivly saying "I'm not maffia" in the bolded paragraph. He says he went after him aggressive very early simply for pressure, but he was VERY insistant on lynching him later in day 1.#3 He continually says it's ok if reps is town.#4 That was part of his response when someone called him suspicious on day1, why would a town ever say that? Seems like that should only come from a rushed scum response to me.#5 POST reps lynching Says he got what WE wanted (obv we didnt want him to flip town). Says he will spending a lot of time looking at Umasi (he doesnt, more on that later).#6 I should probably ease up on the quoting since this is getting LONG. He spends 10 posts defending umasi, claiming his vote switch was a town move. Remember this post? So apparently it makes Alakaslam look scummy but not Umasi.#7 Remember his claims of umasai being somewhat scummy? He said he would take a good look at him later. With a single quote from a mafia guide he simplay abandoned that: "On the survival side, mafia generally try to blend in. The easiest job for the mafia is when they get to sit and watch the town kill themselves, as townies have a natural inclination to kill people who stick out in the crowd." - A General Guide To Mafia by Incognito. Conviniently this quote also says he himself is not scum. So he gives up on Umasi and tries to push RDO instead, who is voting for Umasi this day. Summary: I now firmly believe DeusX and Umasi are scum. I will throw my vote on DeusX since that is my most firm belief, can consolidate to Umasi later if need be for lynch since thats almost a guarantee if I'm right anyway. ##vote DeusXmachina Should be a fun read later tonight  going to address these, bolded his responses and numbered them. #1: he defends reps as town #2: he defends reps as town #3: zyrre, why is what he said there incriminating? #4: he's misguided in what he thinks is the correct thing to do, it's not actually scummy that he was okay with lynching reps if he thought he was a liability, since his main reason for voting him the entire time was "reps is scum". #5: saying that is not scummy, it's null, yet you nitpick it. you nitpick him for a lot of shit when you should really just look at the entire picture and say "wow his aggression early game was pretty townie because he threw himself in there so hard and basically generated all of the discussion" #6: We actually talk to each other a bit during the night (if memory serves), and when he says "looking at umasi" that doesn't mean he actually thought I was scummy, in fact, his actions (defending me so hard) point to the contrary. #7: I don't know what you are even trying to make of this your points on him are weak and nitpicky. The reason all of this matters is this: On August 05 2013 04:27 Zyrre wrote: Infii, I assume you are seeing this as defending Gotard rather then suspecting Deus/Usami. Consider the position the game was in: Gotard, Umasi and Scam all got votes early on. No one was seriously suspecting DeusX. Why would I go balls to the walls on him rather then try to shift the vote to an easier target? You would go onto deus to keep yourself A: split from gotard and B: try to draw pressure away from the lynch on gotard. these two points (reasoning for voting deus (ie it's really really bad and nitpicky)) and your reluctance to vote switch onto gotard to secure the lynch make me think you are scum. You are, barring a good case by someone else that gets posted during the night, my number one target tomorrow. I'm /afk now | ||
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I have stronger townreads on deus and slam, stim is confirmed town, nightcat is probably confirmed town, so he's the odd one out. Will go take a longer look though. | ||
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but it doesn't really matter, he's more likely actually the vig. | ||
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And stim haha, because he was just a mouthpiece for infii there. | ||
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I want to hear YOUR thoughts haha Like, I'm kind of angry that you've been so not around, forty some hours of not posting. ~but me being angry at you is certainly nothing new :< | ||
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On August 06 2013 04:56 Nightcat99 wrote: I think Zyraa is scum and Rdo could be town or 3p I am grey hat, i shoot Zyraa tonight, if i die and the game isnt over lynch rdo. i think we win... | ||
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You're pretty set to be lynched, I don't plan on taking my vote off of you, but I don't like how you just "well k I'm done". It's still possible you are is town/there is a serial killer, and there's no reason we should just stop discussing things. We all think you're scum, but if you're town, you have nothing to lose by contributing so let's treat this like you're confirmed town. you die today, and stim, the mason confirmed town, is shot at night. Who do you think is the final scum and why? | ||
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If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go. If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons. He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot. Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words. People, talk. The games not won yet :< | ||
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so if RDO is not the final scum, I think it is you. Just to make sure we're clear on this. (right?) I think so,, we have six, probably 5-1, if rdo is scum we win or lynch nightcat, w.e if nightcat is 3p/town, it's 4-1, if a nightkill goes through, it's 3-1 and mylo. | ||
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On August 07 2013 21:59 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: I cannot wait to see the oh shit posts when I flip town. Y'all are gonna have a fun time! =/ is there a particular reason you're not posting your reads if you're town? | ||
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StiM, you're around, what are you thinking? You haven't talked much despite being basically confirmed town. Do you prefer a slam or deus lynch? On August 07 2013 13:33 Umasi wrote: Here is my thought dump: If RDO is scum, then this game is probably over, but if the game continues for whatever reason, here's where I think we should go. If he flips scum, I think it's an easy nightcat lynch, because nightcat has claimed vigilante and there has been no counterclaim (if you're the actual vigilante, counterclaim now). If he flips town/third party, I think Alakaslam is then the correct lynch, for a couple of compounding reasons. He's been following thread consensus basically all game, see his vote on RDO, following pressure on Gotard and me, following my lead on pressuring deus early game, and has brought little to town that was original. Basically, he just shouts a lot and looks townie doing so, and he's certainly not who I'd have pegged as scum this game, but the other options are A: Nightcat (who is pretty solid town atm) and Deus. I don't think deus is the scum because he was super hard pressuring gotard, and defended me really hard, and I can't see the scum motivation for defending me. They'd rather just try to shove a mislynch on me, the way the game was going. So him DEFENDING me instead makes me think he's town. Slam also distanced himself from reps and got a free pass for helping hammer because the attention was on me for pulling off, but he pretty blatantly thought reps was town, and then hid behind my play, so it was like "meh, he was covering for Umasi it's all k" I guess the big thing about slam is he's AROUND a lot, and he POSTS a lot, but I don't think he's CONTRIBUTED a lot. Another note, he hasn't been posting the "if I die" reads. Lots of players haven't, so this isn't conclusive, but you'd think that as a vanilla town, he would post them, especially because he has been "such a likely nightkill target all game" in his own words. People, talk. The games not won yet :< any response to that? parts of it? | ||
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I wanted to clear up why it is between DeusXmachina and I, otherwise, you are a potential candidate as well. This line gives me a lot of trouble. Nothing ever said I wasn't a candidate except for me knowing that I'm town. If you know you're town, why are you a potential candidate from your perspective? | ||
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And I'm not leaning too far scum on you :< I want a better reason than "well I am scummy but YOU GOTTA BELIEVE ME" because deus could just go say something identical and we'd be back at square one. | ||
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If I die, I think you should lynch slam, not deus, but I'm not too sold either way, just leaning slam. STIM AND NIGHTCAT One of you two will probably die tonight. Why are you guys not using your relatively confirmed townie status's to be pro town and win? Get in here and contribute your thoughts :< If you do it as an 'if I die post' though that's cool, just make sure you don't pull an rdo and be useless. that was rude to rdo but w.e he fucking deserves it. | ||
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I have trouble asking you about your motivations because everything you've done this game has been "this guy posted a case, sheep it" "wait no my biggest scumread posted a case against someone else who might be scum, I'll roll with THAT."What you've done hasn't been as pro-town as deus, who has posted a lot of sense making posts, his defense of me would be strange if he was scum (and the defense itself is solid). So much of your posting is just irrational nonsense, and the things that you say actually pertaining to the game aren't actually helpful frequently. one good thing you've done is pressure me super obviously, which made me make my defense. The biggest thing I read you town on besides that is deciding to vote Gotard, but you're later to the party than the other potential candidate, who pressures him a lot better constantly. For instance, why did you vote to lynch RDO? That was really poorly explained on your part. Your individual posts don't read as scummy(just crazy), but the overall narrative IS, where you just hard follow towns opinion, and where you distance yourself from the reps lynch and then hammer it in. | ||
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On August 09 2013 05:14 StiMaDDict wrote: A good news and a bad news. A good news is that there is no sk. A bad news is that this is the last day. good news and bad news good news is you're obviously at the thread atm, the bad news is you're not helping us out with your confirmed townie status :< | ||
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Specifically asking if RDO was doctor and if I was cop. | ||
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You're really focused on trying to confirm yourself as town, but a better way to do that is to convince us that X person is scum instead of you, compared to saying "well am I scum or town, read me properly or we lose" There's nothing wrong with saying like, READ ME AND DECIDE FOR YOURSELF, but that's just trying to clear yourself of suspicion. | ||
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On August 06 2013 11:40 Alakaslam wrote: Is doc soft claim? If u are town, and you want to win, you really had better just claim role even if it gets you nk. And even if its vt. Then say what you actioned each night. same difference, why are you blue hunting? You said to confirm people as town. If I'd just said "I am cop, I checked X Y Z and got A B C results, does that make me town? How is blue hunting a way to confirm people? | ||
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StiM, I'm not cop, slam was questioning me about it a bit ago and I still don't know why. I wasn't accusing you of not playing to your wincon, slam. The best way to be townie is to catch scum, not to say "I'm not scum we lose if you lynch me I'm not scum we lose if you lynch me please read me properly" That was friggen RDOs defense and he got lynched anyway. Also, if you were trying to bait out a doctor claim to confirm him as scum, why didn't you pull off of him? Why were you trying to confirm him as 'definitely scum' if you weren't willing to read him as town? Also, why specifically did you think RDO was scum originally? You read him as slightly townie for a long time and then your read changes, and I don't think you explained why. | ||
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On August 09 2013 05:59 Alakaslam wrote: By the way no, that is not necessarily true stim, he should not claim. If we can't agree on a lynch we switch from MYLO to LYLO, and I he were cop Actually gf nvm stim is right. Cop role useless now. ....Is there some piece of information I'm missing? On August 09 2013 05:26 Alakaslam wrote: So here is why we all sux but DeusXmachina looks like ultratown MVP: He knows everything, he is gf. Nonetheless please still filter dive me if I am not confirmed town and talk to me- why am I not town. Deus if you feel I have not answered your earlier query, I did last night but TL:DR; they were largely question replies, and contribute by helping confirm my town alignment, or else not at all. But that was the motive behind them. What say all? Again, is there some piece of information I'm missing? gf in this case means godfather, right? This is setting off huge warning bells. I don't really believe in scumslips, but... why are you sure there's a godfather? | ||
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I can agree with what you said day one, but day two with gotard Why would gotard self vote? He doesn't need to hammer in a lynch to secure deus towncred. Theoretically, there might have been a no lynch at the time he self voted, which would be preferable for the scum team, because gotard would have continued being scummy shit, and an easy lynch to push for the next day (and thus more towncred), so they'd just generate a no-lynch. I like what you're trying to communicate though, continue making sense. I saw that while rereading and looked at the time surrounding it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422313¤tpage=40#795 Specifically read that post of his and gotards immediately afterward. Since we know RDO was town, and Scam was scum, I wonder what he was trying to play at, soft defending scam and simultaneously being suspicious of someone who was blatantly more pro-town than scam. Although I can definitely see it coming from a town viewpoint, and unassociated with Gotard. | ||
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Slam, what it comes down to is that I don't think you've played a pro-town game on the whole, you make some weird jumps in reasoning, and you're extremely influenced by the state of the thread. That, and I don't think you read very carefully at all, you just talk about whatever happens to be the most recent things that were said~for instance, On August 06 2013 10:16 Alakaslam wrote: First off- I'm really sorry Umasi, or you are almost as good as Onegu. Now, do you know what Zyrre and Indio both die means? SK We are forgetting about SK He is on our side though :D Here are my thoughts: DeusXmachina is probably Town or SK. I think Nightcat may be SK. RDO, likely scum or SK. Stim obv town. Umasi may not be obv town but yeah. Next lynch RDO, should we fail we will probably know, but lets us all powwow and figure it out. You just kinda look at key points and comment on those, you're not looking at what people are actually posting though~nightcats vig claim was literally the post above the night post =/ | ||
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so instead of telling us the scumhunt is inc and then not scumhunting, go scumhunt. for realz. | ||
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slam, when you softly put suspicion on someone, make sure it's something that's actually scummy. not defending myself isn't scummy. In fact, trying to keep conversation rolling is a townie thing to do =/ ~and no ones made a case for me to defend yet~ Slam, why haven't you been posting if I die reads if you were so confident you would be shot? Why did you vote RDO? I can't find reasoning for it in the thread, you just kinda did it. From what I can see, and idk if I missed it, you mention that you think RDO is slightly townie here but then change it when you responded to deus On August 03 2013 09:42 Alakaslam wrote: I have started to mean town on RDO. You do bring up good points. But you are distilling actions a bit. Scam is 100% null to me. I just dislike him. I unfortunately hope he is modkill- if not we lynch "tomorrow"(day3) Because I lean town on RDO, yes, but RDO mentioned a work schedule that I don't see him posting outside of. What does the phrase 'irrelevant question to me as is false' mean? tbth, I think it means that you were suspicious of him, but there's nothing in the timespan between those two quotes that would have changed your opinion, right? Basically, it felt like you kept your head down during the RDO lynch and let it happen, and I want to find out why. | ||
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##UNVOTE Stim, what are you thinking? Deus, why have you said you would read filters so often and then straight up not? | ||
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And if not, well darn! you've mentioned frequently that you thought you were going to die, and you haven't been posting them REGARDLESS (and I am a fan of them) but it's not the biggest deal. | ||
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deus On August 07 2013 14:39 DeusXmachina wrote: Hey I went through RDO's filter again with the intention of counting the number of times he either defends himself, plays the newb card, and gives excuses. I came to these counts: Defends himself: 12 times Plays newb card: 4 times Gives excuses: 3 times Sometimes they are really subtle and easy to miss. Those counts are not 100 percent accurate. It is also worth mentioning that he apologizes a ton. Here are some great examples: 1. We haven't seen a ton of substance from you yet (oh yes I'm totally a hypocrite): Newb card 2. My main point is I think he's just a bad player who has no clue what the hell he's doing. Like me!!!: Newb card 3. just a couple of hours after I really started playing last night: defends himself 4. As you can see I've been trying to pick up my posting in the past couple of pages. Started slow obviously. Newb and also kinda defense 5. As a note to all parties, I will be offline from now until tomorrow evening again...so ask any last questions about my innocence within the next fifteen minutes or hang on to them for a while.: defends himself 6. That's part of it for sure...I also was busy with work, and this is my first game, so I'm just getting into it. : WOW excuse, noob, and defends himself 7. I'm new to this game too, I'm not going to play it perfectly. But I'm going to play the damn thing now, not just sit on my hands.: Newb 8. FUCK. I was at the card shop for a magic sealed event and my phone died, which is why I couldn't switch when we went for gotard. Sorry guys, yes that looks scummy as hell.: Excuse and preemptively defending himself. Wow maybe there was more newb cards then I thought. Also he drops the Umasi suspicion before the lynch and doesn't vote switch. Ill brb with that info. On August 07 2013 14:44 DeusXmachina wrote: This is really bizarre. He is suspicious of an Umasi/Gotard pair. Before this he made a pretty convincing case against Gotard (convincing in that it seemed genuine) declaring that he thought Gotrad was scum. Gotard votes Umasi and RDO doesn't vote switch? What!? A huge part of his suspicion of Umasi was because of his scum read on Gotard. Why would he not vote Gotard when the pair distanced themselves. On August 07 2013 14:46 DeusXmachina wrote: And then this. Last post before lynch. He claims he is going to move on from Umasi to Gotard but doesn't vote switch. Why would he not vote switch at this very moment? Totes scum. I think we nailed him. What did you hope to accomplish with those posts, since RDO was already on the chopping block pretty securely? | ||
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I am warning you folks deus looks all super town but he had time to plan this, I swore I be -not nk, but- Lynched before this situation. I thought folks would take nightcat seriously, I wasn't preparing for a situation like that. so I'm just spontaneous as ever. Super weak. You're not even defending yourself at this point, it's just baseless crap. 'I look scummy because I thought you'd lynch me before today' Why would you ever play town with the intention of being offed at any point?(why would you play mafia that way either?) You can't keep citing nightcats thoughts on you as a defense, because they aren't a defense =/ they were just his thoughts. So far, all of your like, claims to being town are 'man you guys GOTTA believe me, nightcat was so right that I should be lynched before lylo/mylo' like that's not the correct way to defend or be townie, it just looks weak. You need a better defense than 'I promise you I'm town' ##VOTE ALAKASLAM | ||
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Do you think there are flaws with voting for slam? because I'm pretty sold. | ||
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The reason I think you're scum is that deus is overwhelmingly townie. he's been doing a hell of a lot more scumhunting than you, he's just been doing less talking. I disagree with some of what he's said (you not being around for lynches is really not scummy, it just means you were probably busy) but some of his other points do have merit, such as you never giving good reasoning for voting on RDO. Your stances on people always come after a post by someone else, you don't have many original thoughts on who's scum or not, you just take what someone says and roll with it. StiM, you really need to get in here and do things, why AREN'T you abusing your mason confirmed town status? Driving me fucking bonkers. | ||
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On August 10 2013 04:19 Alakaslam wrote: Actually I just realized something. Stimaddict if there I any doubt in your mind, vote no lynch. This way, I will have another day to actually go after targets. Otherwise I cede. This implies that you think StiM's thoughts are worth nothing. The only thing another night period does is deletes a confirmed townie, why do you think that's a good idea? | ||
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On August 10 2013 09:15 Alakaslam wrote: ... This was really pissing me off out in the desert. It's like only I can see it. Alright, what specifically about this is scummy reasoning? | ||
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And writing a cake on StiM if he wasn't mason would be super friggen easy, and nothing he said would really divert it. He's played a super apathetic game for a confirmed town and it really really annoys me. On August 10 2013 09:34 Alakaslam wrote: Oh by the way, did you remember I wanted to avoid exposing you as cop at the time, right? So why would I tell town in case of this scenario (not knowing it was MYLO) "well folks I feel like the game is solved, deus is pretty solid town and stim/ nightcat confirmed, and I think Umasi cop slipped so all is cool, lynch RDO!"? No. And this won't make sense but remember I am hearkening back to mindsets to try and make sense of my own posting. Things have developed since RDO lynch. I don't think I understand what you're trying to say here, are you asking why you'd put yourself in a hole like that? | ||
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Also, you were the one who pointed out the cop slip, weren't you? On August 08 2013 07:10 Alakaslam wrote: Umasi whoever is left is pretty much totes town except deus & me Deus is more town than me but you must hear me if mislynch gives game to scum This is that situation where no-lynch is feasible, but I hope we don't do this. Nightcat is Vig, stim is mason, you are cop but that doesn't matter as much as I thought because I just realized because deus is probably gf- he will probably come back green to your check. So true, but not anymore- dang it Nightcat u should have pushed my lynch before xD Um so this is nuts. I think Actually I don't know who will die tonight. Tomorrow is what matters On August 08 2013 08:20 Alakaslam wrote: Let me clarify. I am in riverside, phone posting as usual but point is I'm at grainier for work. Can't filter dive just yet but you just short of claimed cop On August 08 2013 09:57 Alakaslam wrote: A: will find in your filter and B: initially I didn't want to. But it doesn't matter anymore; we are all as good as vt. I wanted to clear up why it is between DeusXmachina and I, otherwise, you are a potential candidate as well. The voice of Indio speaks from the past! What does he say? He calls to me! "Shut up you moron!" ...oh or are you talking about something different and I'm just hopelessly confused | ||
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On August 10 2013 12:50 Alakaslam wrote: Notice this, bringing it up as it is the most condensed case. All of these things are true. You know what? I was in an offsite game once. I'm gonna have to use it as it affected the way I approach the game and reminds me of a point y'all just aren't seeing. Bak to the offsite game. I understood the thread a lot better, and was kind of quiet compared to usual (I still double posted and said I thought x was scum and nobody could convince me otherwise but hey) I knew the first lynch would be a mislynch, didn't know why he was being lynched but didn't fight it. I then was able to see how motives are formed sometimes, and one guy I knew well started to his randomly say I was scum and push lynching me. In fact he started this day 1, nobody listened to him. When I was nk'ed, he got a ton of towncred and could push any lynch he wanted practically but he was also taken out eventually. What was my alignment? How about the other guy? How does this relate to this game? Is there a reason you quoted me at all? You quoted me then addressed none of it =/ | ||
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You called me a liar and then proceeded to not =/ at this point, I don't really understand what you're playing at. | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:14 Alakaslam wrote: I quoted it because it Summs up the false point of view quite nicely. I can't call you a liar, but nothing short of proving that you are would work would it? So why the hell are we even playing- just give the game to DeusX, as frankly he deserves it! He has fought through absolutely crummy odds. But there is this Deus plays just like my old Godfather. was the second line not addressed at me? haha | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:24 StiMaDDict wrote: As of right now, I'm willing to vote Deus. Why? | ||
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Isn't that fucking accusing me of lying? I have no idea who you're trying to convince of what anymore. | ||
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Also, you say counter wagon it~and then proceed to not and three hours later switch. | ||
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On August 02 2013 01:29 Alakaslam wrote: unvoting the reps, Indio jones get back on scam, we can counter wagon this bs On August 02 2013 04:38 Alakaslam wrote: Switched. WE HAVE TO LYNCH AND WE DID NOT CONSOLIDATE. Damn it town! am I misreading? | ||
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On August 10 2013 13:24 StiMaDDict wrote: As of right now, I'm willing to vote Deus. =/ you don't have long to explain stim. | ||
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Rather, deus goes absolutely fucking bonkers trying to get people to switch to gotard day two, why would he do that as scum? That's the biggest thing for me that makes me read him as town. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422313&user=DeusXmachina¤tpage=4 that entire page of his filter, and some of the next, is him going bonkers on gotards ass. | ||
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Slam and I were actually not tight buddies in the SLIGHTEST, he pressured the SHIT out of me day two. Gotard was in a hot spot, admittedly, but deus was the one who went fucking bonkers to get him voted. I don't think gotard would have died if deus hadn't done that, and it was incredibly pro-town. | ||
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I have no idea it literally almost lost the game :< holyflare and infii were token shots, since they NAILED us really hard, so I just went full bus mode | ||
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On August 11 2013 05:08 Blazinghand wrote: Well played, Umasi. Good job, gotard. I'll seek the standard inactivity ban for scam. nightcat, your shot was fine. not legendary, but reasonable-- he'd have been lynched otherwise without much discussion Stimaddict, I feel like as a blue you had more of a responsability to lead town, to use your power, to carry on infi's legacy. infii town mvp /nominates holyflare | ||
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I think it really influenced how they read me, when I kicked the discussion back up during the RDO lull. | ||
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infii was way too correct at the end of the day to not clean up, and holyflare was also too correct, and then nightcat/stim were confirmed town, but it was a 'if deus ever looks at me the wrong way, I instantly am dead' situation. I think you built your cases on people really well, and you were super obvious town so I couldn't push you if I'd wanted to (and believe me I wanted to), but you tunneled pretty hard, and I just kinda hid behind that Also, onegu, I went fucking bonkers irl when I saw your popcorn | ||
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Why did everyone think people were all scummy this game? (was reading through obs thread, and what stim said near the end) I thought that deus/slam were absolutely token town, RDO was until he gave up, and reps was pretty obviously not the correct lynch (although that may just be me knowing the result beforehand) How correct was town to follow through with the reps lynch day one? On August 11 2013 05:58 StiMaDDict wrote: Next time, I should look more into who scum decides to kill as well as who people are voting. I think if I looked more into Holyflare and Infi posts before they died, I might have made a better decision. But again, Alakaslam was afk and I wouldn't have been able to convince Deus to vote Umasi. Also, it seems as in all four games that I played, I may suck at scumhunting (pretty awful I'll admit), but I'm pretty much confirmed town (yeah, in this game I was mason but still). the biggest scumtell was everyone who called me usami and continued calling me usami died. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:44 reps)squishy wrote: Anyone, anyone! That defends me in the smallest way (Usami) you should be super suspicious of them it's the oldest move in the mafia strategy. Here is his defense. Anyone that votes to lynch me is town. Mafia won't waste a lynch someone that the town is going to lynch already. On August 01 2013 09:28 Holyflare wrote: It's like you've ignored every attempt we've tried to save you....... just vote this guy out. On August 01 2013 08:08 Gotard wrote: There's is still a lot of time left until deadline. You can't panic and posts like "oh", "Happy?" or hue hue picture doesn't help and are not pro town in any way because all they do is taking away all of the attention and you lose your chance to create good content. Your defense so far is "hello i'm noob! Hue hue! happy? no? eeh!? I read some guides don't lynch me!". If you are pressured you need to prove your innocence not by crying for help but by being useful for town. Read guides, read your filter. Do you think you are pro town? I don't think so. On August 03 2013 07:05 infii wrote: SUMMONING WALL OF TEXT HIIIIYYYAAAAAAA!!! Ok first of all: why is this thread so active during night time? It doesn't matter if you are discussing only scum reads. Every information scum gets during night is detrimental for town. At least that is how my logic works... Next up, I am sure I do have a pretty good idea of who is scum, especially after analysing the last posts before the lynch. And even if I make myself a no.1-to-murder-target with this, we can still beat the scum! Scum team: Umasi, Gotard, Sc_am (still 50/50 on scam but he blends in the team really well atm) Scum is playing as a team. I will elaborate why this is important first: - everyone in the scum team knows who the other scum members are - first priority is not to allow any reads on the connection between the scum team - you can cloak your connection by distributing different roles for each member If you think about this trio as a team where, Umasi is the vocal one, spamming in the thread and mostly trying to steer the conversation in a certain direction playing something like "shady town". Gotard is the "reserved town" playing thoughtful and acting passive-agressive (e.g. with votes on weak targets) and sc_am is the lurker in the team, mostly not writing at all but just enough to not get modkilled, also playing "innocent/newbie town". Neither of them have really accused each other of being scum until the end of night 1! The majority of their comments of each other were something along the line of: "I have no idea what xx is up to" and "I will elaborate on xx later on". Now to my strongest read which is Usami: He voted second on reps, which is pretty early, with no real evidence at hand. After it was clear that reps will get lynched he unvoted reps with the following reasoning: "I can help win this game much more then RDaneelOlivaw or sc_a.M." That was reason enough to let his suspicion fall after discussing about him for almost half of day1? Really? His next post: "No lynching is stupid" ...11 minutes later: Now no-lynching isn't that stupid anymore? ...his next post was the closest thing I could find for an explanation on his vote: I don't really see any explanation about his vote here. He even uses information he got after the lynch. Also defending gotard by legitimating his aggressiveness early on. To recap things, I think Umasi is trying to lead town to lynch another townsman with his very active and spammy behaviour. He should be the next lynch target imo, unless he states a flawless and logic defense. Now on to gotard. His first most noticeable action was an early, seemingly random, vote on me. At this point I looked weak/neutral because I didn't want to determine myself on something as it was still early on day1. So I was a possibly easy-to-lynch target from scum perspective. However I stated Umasi as my primary scum target and if we assume gotard and umasi being part of the scum team, that was another good reason for him to jump on me. Following after that were several accusations on which I tried to defend myself. I'd like to quote slam here: That is what I was asking myself all the time. I defended myself like Gotard wanted - not enough. I wrote a wall of text going in-depth on my arguments in full detail - still not enough. But it makes sense now. You can argue all you want with scum, if they're on to you, one will never get clear. sc_a.m ... He has exactly 3 posts in his history in which he said something. (I didn't even say contributed!) The most important quote: If I understand him correctly he tells us that he had a similiar mindset to reps. But watching reps getting all the attention, he didn't want to end up like him. So if we follow his thought process, day2 would be the time for him to come up on stage and state his results of analysis to avoid any random lynching. If he does not do that, with all his passiveness and the pro no-lynch, he is pretty much scum (with the small possibility of him being town but gave up on playing mafia) I am very curious how day2 will unfold! PS.: I did not read holy's last minute analysis before posting if this is of any importance later on. This post by infii was terrifying btw On August 04 2013 06:17 Zyrre wrote: The quote about mafia playstyle? It's a statement about how MOST mafia will play, so only a general guideline. You should factor it in of course, it simply means less blending in = less likely to be mafia. You however, had several posts stating you are suspicious of Usami, went on to say you will look in to him more deeply and then disregarded it all with that quote alone. I guess I overlooked it a bit, it all sounded reasonable at the time. As you can see in my earlier posts, I was unsure of him but didn't think having him alive was too dangerous(he was posting a lot so high possibility of making mistakes if he is mafia, he was giving a few pieces of good advice etc). On August 02 2013 08:19 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 31 2013 10:24 Nightcat99 wrote: Hello everyone i am the newbie nightcat reporting in for duty. + Show Spoiler + On July 31 2013 14:26 Nightcat99 wrote: I have a little problem with this post, i understand the fact that new player wants to tell other they are new, but this was one of the method i use last game to make myself look newer then you actually are. He didnt edit his post, he found out he cant edit his post at the middle of him posting and decided to tell us about it. There is just something fishy about that. Not necessarily the most to go on, but these two posts are a bit strangely contradictory. Really seems like there was an early game play to distract attention by getting everyone focused on squishy. I think one of the biggest things to do is go back and look at the instigators of the suspicscion on him. With that in mind, Gotard's early vote still strikes me as suspicious. It too looks like another attempt to kind of stir up the pot unnecessarily...he did try to explain it but I'm just not satisified. I have no clue what game alaksam is playing. That being said, he's gone so out of his way to demonstrate pro-towniness its a little strange...he was really working to position himself as in the clear if reps flipped green, which may just be good play but deserves to be remembered Usami's last minute switch was stupid as either mafia or townie...I don't really get a good read off of it On August 04 2013 13:43 Nightcat99 wrote: i like tsunami, can we call him that from now on? just fucking control f usami. Nightcat gets points for calling me tsunami, all da points. | ||
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