I still don't think the switch is a smart move for a townie. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? Why take that chance if you don't have foreknowledge.
If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? I don't get what you mean. If Umasi was scum there would be no reason to not for reps. Scum knew that reps was not scum before he got lynched right?
He did, which is my point. If reps had still been offed, which was pretty likely at the time, and he were mafia, everything would be on umasi at this point, no? Switching a vote to try to save scum?
There are possible town motivations, true, but that seems like a chance not necessarily worth taking from the point of view of the individual player
? You are talking hypothetically if reps flipped red. Can we forget that. There is not hypothetical here. Reps flipped town. He was town and scum knew it. If Umasi was scum why would he switch his vote?
Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely).
Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me
On August 03 2013 09:44 Umasi wrote: assume we're a scum team together, what would we get out of tag teaming like you said we did? Is there any reason we would build such a strong connection? (yeah, it's wifom, the thoughts not even occuring to you, and since I brought up you should just ignore it I guess.) (btw, the town motivation for no lynching instead of mis lynching is the fact that we don't kill a townie.)
I'm not out to get you. Also, not so stupid as you seem to think friend
I'm new to this game too, I'm not going to play it perfectly. But I'm going to play the damn thing now, not just sit on my hands.
It's a more subtle tag-team, possibly even unintentionally backing up someone who you know to be your teammate (assuming you are mafia, which obviously is still to be decided)
I got a lot of heat for just defending myself, and now I begin to see why. There's a lot coming your way to answer for, so you are busy, but I'd like to see some of your theories come out more too to steer the discussion down other avenues that might benefit the town
You are distracting! This had better be settled. How do you not think a found scum is 100% most important thing? I tell you, Umasi's actions do not fit with his defenses!
I think he is scum right now, for sure. But he should at least be trying to formulate countertheories. If they are shittier than mine we know for sure he is scum, if they aren't bad we may have gained something, even if he is scum. Not trying to totally shift the attention from him, but it doesn't seem like a good way to spend the day if we keep circle-jerking over Umasi's guilt either
I still don't think the switch is a smart move for a townie. If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? Why take that chance if you don't have foreknowledge.
If reps dies and flips red, he is pretty much boned, no? I don't get what you mean. If Umasi was scum there would be no reason to not for reps. Scum knew that reps was not scum before he got lynched right?
He did, which is my point. If reps had still been offed, which was pretty likely at the time, and he were mafia, everything would be on umasi at this point, no? Switching a vote to try to save scum?
There are possible town motivations, true, but that seems like a chance not necessarily worth taking from the point of view of the individual player
? You are talking hypothetically if reps flipped red. Can we forget that. There is not hypothetical here. Reps flipped town. He was town and scum knew it. If Umasi was scum why would he switch his vote?
Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely).
Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me
A bunch of scenarios where Umasi is town? We are talking about if Umasi is scum. He already expressed that he vote switched because he believed reps was a bad town. So situation A, reps flips red, that wouldn't implicate him as scum unless you don't believe that he was being genuine when he said that he thinks reps is town (which is what reps turned out to be).
My point is its a bad town play if he wants to actually survive, which is a valid consideration. If he were town, it would be stupid. If he is not stupid, which I think we can accept at this point as fact, then it's probably not a play he makes if he is town. That is my point.
Thats obviously not my only reason for suspecting him anyway..
Gotard's vote totally fucked up where I thought this game was going....so much for them working together like it seemed imo. Time to reevaluate.
My suspicions remain on usami for now, but I'm going to go back and do some reevaluating , I think scam just doesn't give a fuck. If you look at this post history you can see he's been on TL a lot fairly recently, if he we're mafia he'd probably be getting a lot of pressure from his team to post. Still hard to tell though obviously since he's done nothing. He doesn't seem to responding to the pressure he's gotten, so there more's not much we can do
On August 04 2013 04:07 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Gotard's vote totally fucked up where I thought this game was going....so much for them working together like it seemed imo. Time to reevaluate.
My suspicions remain on usami for now, but I'm going to go back and do some reevaluating , I think scam just doesn't give a fuck. If you look at this post history you can see he's been on TL a lot fairly recently, if he we're mafia he'd probably be getting a lot of pressure from his team to post. Still hard to tell though obviously since he's done nothing. He doesn't seem to responding to the pressure he's gotten, so there more's not much we can do
Anyway, more to come
Well, that is a textbook case of WIFOM. See what if they know this and post that to discourage the theory.
Still, check again all u want.
True. More important if he sticks with it if pressure continues to mount on umasi
infii- what was with the earlier suspicion that he displayed with regards to you? I can understand treating you with standard suspicion, and I can understand cooperating with you, but such an obvious
From pressing you hard to "trust him hes town I swear"
If you two were working together I want to hear the explanation behind that play. I've been inclined to think you 2 are masons but that play is one of the things holding me back
I don't want to go for scam because taking him out is too easy..it won't draw out much in the way of scumminess because everyone wants him gone. Whereas if we actually go after people who are playing we might get more info. Scam is just a lost cause. We can hope he eventually gets modkilled at some point anyway and saves us a lynch. If not, we can take him out when we feel like it. Or if we have a vigilante, they could sure do us a favor right now :p
At any rate, I think it's more productive to chase players right now, not lurkers
Umasi's done a ok job of defending himself imo, agree with you on that slam. Pressure successful. Gotard next.
Would you mind cutting down on the random stuff in your posts slam? Makes it harder to go through the thread yo. You're a solid town read and its just your style, but burying the thread in fluff helps the scum anyway by diluting the useful info
My reads thus far Slam- town - Stim and infii -town- I'm accepting the mason act for now, still a little suspicious of that early behavior from stim but w/e - infii seems like a lock to me, so stim by extension Zyree- mild town read off of him, but now he's stopped posting...I'll give him a little more time but thats scummy if it continues nightcat-not a lot of great posts, but he does seem to be trying to build a pro-town atmosphere. Good enough for me atm
scam- god knows what he is. May he rot in a particularly scummy mafia hell
Umasi- scum by extension--more suspicious of him because of Gotard and Deus- still just have a scummy feel from him Gotard- scum- my reasoning hasn't changed Deus- scummy--mostly because of the way he handled his "suspicions" of umasi - he stated that he suspected him several times throughout the early game but never elaborated on that suspicion--basically, enough to make me think that the suspicion may only be a show...his reasoning for dropping it, as zyree pointed out, is very weak.
FUCK. I was at the card shop for a magic sealed event and my phone died, which is why I couldn't switch when we went for gotard. Sorry guys, yes that looks scummy as hell.
As for why I stayed on Umasi earlier--we had 3? votes for him and there was no real consensus, I just didn't switch bc it to seemed silly to just keep throwing around the vote until we had decided who to knock out....is what it is, not much else I can say. Obviously you all will still be suspicious, not much else I can do besides playing well from here on out anyway....I'll go back through again and read the last pages, see what happened
On August 05 2013 07:18 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: FUCK. I was at the card shop for a magic sealed event and my phone died, which is why I couldn't switch when we went for gotard. Sorry guys, yes that looks scummy as hell.
As for why I stayed on Umasi earlier--we had 3? votes for him and there was no real consensus, I just didn't switch bc it to seemed silly to just keep throwing around the vote until we had decided who to knock out....is what it is, not much else I can say. Obviously you all will still be suspicious, not much else I can do besides playing well from here on out anyway....I'll go back through again and read the last pages, see what happened
His untimely demise of phone battery, His careful explination of having 3 votes when he last check, (which is not something i would check, until dead line.) I usually just throw a vote on and in the last hour, check to make sure we are lynching someone.
Plus i have always had a gut scum read on RDO, his early absents, then he comes back just when suspicious was building on him, and his many fluffy post of not posting a single read as of now.
I am going to stick with this vote for now.
I do keep track of those sort of things. I've been keeping up on the thread and if you notice, I was posting in the morning just before so I had read up
Where does this idea that I haven't posted any reads come from? I was actually the one first made a real case for suspicion against Gotard, and I was very vocal on my opinions of Usami. I've posted plenty of my own reads.
At any rate, last night kind of fucked up what I thought again. Stim are confirmed town
Slam is playing a really strong town game--that being said- why has he not been lynched? Seems like he would have been a great target for mafia-he would be playing a wild joker game, but he seems like that sort of guy..he is the best and mosts experienced player here.just something worth thinking about
That leaves Deus and Umasi
Still a little suspicious of Umasi--his play to go after scam may have been an attempt to put his name in the clear by getting rid of a lurker and also spearheading a charge to kill a fellow mafia member.
Dues--I have a decent townread on him
Nightcat--he may be town, but he is not confirmed not-scum either, but there are a number of important possibilities to consider- namely Mafia tried to kill jaded salesman first night, or someone who was saved by the doctor the first night. They would know that their kill was blocked and there IS a serial killer- fact is, he is still my strongest scum read
On August 02 2013 03:59 StiMaDDict wrote: infi played shitty. There is no real way I can defend him, other than the fact that you HAVE to trust me.
but that puts me in a blind, cause i am not seeing the scum team. So i have 2 scenario for everyone to think about.
First the far more likely situation,
Zyrre , DeusXmachina, RDaneelOlivaw and slam
slam because he jump in on the vote on rep to try to save the day.
RDaneelOlivaw still have not post a orginial through, he has been more active, but still no opinion of his own.
Deus repeat claim of lynch a bad townie is not bad is a strange claim, but other then that i dont have much to add then what other have said.
Zyrre is kind of null actually, he just doesnt seem that pro town.
And now my far less likely conspiracy theories
Umasi and Slam is scum team.
Umasi jump off the wagon on rep, because he coordinate with slam that slam will secure the lynch.
Umasi has to know that infil cannot be lynch at this point, he just jump off the wagon for a second because he knows when rep flips, hes going to look pro town and slam will secure the lynch.
Not only completely wrong, but the reasoning is exceptionally weak. 1 liners and no quotes about his scum reads--it is more of a post because he has to and to shift suspicion than anything else.
Also, an "if I die" post? He's clearly trying to play up the possibility of his being murdered. Why? Everybody has the chance, why make such a big deal of it? To associate himself with town as much as possible
On August 02 2013 02:34 StiMaDDict wrote: I drop my suspicion on infi completely.
This means you are not mason, so stim trusting you is not enough, i want to know why you are so sure.
Rdo came back to play which is good, but i cant drop the feeling that hes just pushing people every one is pushing and i just dont have much of a town feel on him.
Gotard come back to vote umasi, when they were both associated as scum team, do you guys feel like this is a method to not be caught together, gotard does feel kind of pro town to me this game so i am having some doubts.
i am getting pro town reads on everyone else and have not seen anything i want to point out on them.
On August 04 2013 11:38 Umasi wrote: I still want scam lynched, shouldn't be able to get away with this shit :< ##UNVOTE sc.a.M. ##VOTE GOTARD
Why are you guys voting gotard???
Above, he tries the very low-profile defense of Gotard. First states he is pretty sure that he's town, then questions why everyone is voting for him. Just enough to call into question the vote against Gotard and try to help Gotard's defense without drawing signifcant attention to himself. He doesn't join on the suspicion of Gotard until the last minute, when it becomes apparent that Gotard is going to be lynched.
Also important to note is that his posts are almost entirely fluff. Most are 1 or 2 liners making some minor comment to show his presence in the thread (or to ask slam for an opinion, which he does a lot of ) without drawing attention. He's largely failed to level significant accusations (he's only posted them twice?), and the one's he has made he has not gone after aggressively. He posts them and then lets it go, leading me to believe that once again, he was posting them to blend in, not to actually make strong cases.
On August 04 2013 14:14 Umasi wrote: yeah, you can feel free to call me tsunami. Reading usami all the time is like :< do you guys just not spell goods? kind of thing. who started that anyway? calling me usami, that is.
as for focusing on gotard, the easiest way to prove my innocence is to find and lynch scum, so when I read gotard and was like "he's actually scummy" it was reasonable to state my thoughts on him/make a pseudo case. Still want scam dead :<
sc_am wont making pass the night, justice will be brought down by BH or other source.
Probably nothing, but "another source"---that's a pretty confident statement
Slam is playing a really strong town game--that being said- why has he not been lynched? Seems like he would have been a great target for mafia-he would be playing a wild joker game, but he seems like that sort of guy..he is the best and mosts experienced player here.just something worth thinking about
HTHDTH?
I wasn't lynched because town thinketh I'm town
I haven't a clue in the slightest why I haven't been nk'ed. Maybe because
Slam is playing a really strong town game--that being said- why has he not been lynched? Seems like he would have been a great target for mafia-he would be playing a wild joker game, but he seems like that sort of guy..he is the best and mosts experienced player here.just something worth thinking about
HTHDTH?
I wasn't lynched because town thinketh I'm town
I haven't a clue in the slightest why I haven't been nk'ed. Maybe because
Told the scum team that I'm totes vt, therefore not as worth killin as dem bloos
That or OMGIS is actually true and u testin dem waters b cuz best chance
I desire read the ppl qt
Part of the reason I mentioned that was you could very possibly have been an attempted kill that got blocked by doc.
Is doc soft claim? If u are town, and you want to win, you really had better just claim role even if it gets you nk. And even if its vt. Then say what you actioned each night.
EPT
ppl qt
