A Bluelightz Mafia "The Attack"

On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote:
Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit.

On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote:
Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now.

You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all?

On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right?

On July 22 2013 11:33 getmoript wrote:
@TG. You think I'm town right?

On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote:
As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post?

On July 22 2013 12:15 getmoript wrote:
This is an awful post.
Town wants nothing more than to be active and completely transparent with their reads at all time. Why are you trying to get us to think about what scum want to do with your post before you even post it?

-Wave

I'm in the middle of doing a read into a couple people as Geript and I have been talking in the QT.

On July 20 2013 14:23 Bluelightz wrote:
This is where you vote.

This game uses Majority Voting, please use the format outlined in the main thread.

On July 22 2013 12:45 austinmcc wrote:
Waiting on friggin' getmoript to post. Actually interested in their thoughts on TanGeng.

I found that first post of his scummy, where he voted JJD. I found his absolutely refusal to give reason for it, while commenting on a couple of other things and just repeatedly ducking something like giving reasons for his vote or explaining a comment he made to be mind-boggling. I don't understand it as EITHER faction. He didn't say no, he just consciously avoided specific things and yet answered other questions and poked at me once or twice.

I can't understand townies not giving reasoning for their votes/reads, especially when I've seen him do it. I can't understand mafia just straight up going "Nope nope nope, better not acknowledge that someone wants my read here, better just drop my head in the sand."

On July 22 2013 13:05 austinmcc wrote:
There's what I'm talking about. Big bolded bits are me asking you what discussion you wanted, why you were voting, whether it bothered you that getmoript, the hydra you read and whose suspicions you were voting off of, had unvoted, etc. etc. etc.

You talked about TAA. You talked about why TAA was also somewhat scummy. You talked about being left off of lists. About inactives. But dear sweet jesus you REFUSED to discuss your actual vote, what you wanted JJD to discuss, etc. etc.

On July 22 2013 13:38 getmoript wrote:
Convince me you're town. Who do you think is scum and why?

On July 23 2013 07:11 FiveTouch wrote:
That's just your opinion though rayn and you can't profess to know what the scumteam's opinion on the matter is unless you're on the scumteam right?

From my perspective, a no-lynch is an INCREDIBLE boon for the scumteam, ESPECIALLY if TG is town. Because now everyone's eyes are on TG for TOMORROW'S lynch right? By DEFAULT.

But anyway, that's just MY opinion, and it's regarding DocH who is either replacing out or getting modkilled or providing further content later, so it's whatever.

On July 23 2013 10:53 FiveTouch wrote:
There is no heat, I'm the only one saying he's suspicious are you high dude?

On July 23 2013 10:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
So are you scum or town??

On July 23 2013 23:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
So TG, do you not agree with my final analysis?

getmoript (1) TheAwesomeAll
FirmTofu (2) raynpelikoneet, TanGeng
Oatsmaster (1) jrkirby
TanGeng (6) FirmTofu, getmoript, austinmcc, FiveTouch, JarJarDrinks, Oatsmaster
Not Voting: (2) Zephirdd, DoctorHelvetica

With 12 alive, 7 are required to lynch.

Noone is lynched!

On July 23 2013 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont have a plan.
I dont need a plan.
Only DrH was posting. Couldve been other people there, so Zeph/TAA/jrkirby.

Whos scum though TanGeng?

On July 23 2013 22:58 FiveTouch wrote:
I don't think everyone was believing Onegu's claim easily at all, rather expressing disbelief at the fact it occurred in the first place.

If you think Tangeng is scummy as hell and you're not sure about his roleblock, shouldn't you be voting for him? Actually speaking of that, I don't actually remember any reasons why he is scummy as shit. What are your reasons?

~marv

On July 24 2013 01:52 getmoript wrote:

I don't think it's a great example. I believe everything DrH said before he ragequit was true and he justified his lack of activity to himself. He figured voting for himself wouldn't have actually mattered at that point and didn't catch up or care enough about this game at that point to help us out. It had nothing to do with him being a towny or scum not dropping the hammer imo. I think scum probably knew this so I don't really think that argument holds much water.

On July 24 2013 03:18 getmoript wrote:
You're not following me.
I don't think DrH is scum, I think you are.

On July 24 2013 04:59 FiveTouch wrote:

I have a theory. I'm waiting to hear Cora's theory first. I think it has something to do with you maybe lying about being roleblocked.

On July 24 2013 06:58 cDgCorazon wrote:


Well I don't think the chances of having 2 cops and a vigilante for town and only a roleblocker for mafia is very fair. Someone has to be lying.

I can believe Onegu, which leaves Getmoript and TG's claims. There's a chance they could both be lying.
Idk why Getmoript would claim to get TAA killed. What would he say if he was wrong about TAA?

On July 24 2013 06:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
claiming detective instead of making a case is cheating

On July 24 2013 07:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
I was town in NMM37...what the hell are you talking about?

On July 23 2013 22:08 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
also lol @ the vigi claim when we know theres a roleblocker ingame

On July 24 2013 06:16 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Its funny 5touch is defending TG again. I have a scum read on neither but gotta keep an eye on things like that.

On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much.

On July 24 2013 09:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Hi guys since im prolly not gonna see the light of another day im gonna tell my role and such.

I am the roleblocker! I blocked the role of TG night 1 because he barely escaped the lynch and i assumed he was scum. Because of this i also made the following post:

i didnt want people to draw huge conclusions from the TG RB since i simply RBed him because he was considered most likely to be scum. Its kinda late to do damage control and such but w/e.

On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much.

On July 25 2013 18:49 FiveTouch wrote:
It's really simple if you just think Oats.

Possibility 1) TG town. He has no reason to lie about being roleblocked.

Possibility 2) TG scum. Maybe they hid a RB under the rayn shot. Maybe they didn't RB at all. But scum wouldn't RB one of their own. He could be lying about RB.

To answer your question, if scum ACTUALLY REALLY roleblocked TG, we can assume he's town. Unfortunately we can't know for sure. We know he claimed it and we know that scum wanted us to believe it.

-VE

On July 25 2013 20:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
If there is a 3p, hes a survivor, which means I dont care.

On July 25 2013 20:54 getmoript wrote:

I don't get your obsession with trying to find 3P.
There was no extra NK so IF there is a 3P he is survivor (or something like bartender, but I refuse to consider that).

How exactly will a survivor be interfering with the town 'agenda?'

Are you trying to claim here in a really awkward way or some shit?

-Wave

On July 25 2013 21:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol TG, who cares???
Also, who do you want to get vigged?

On July 25 2013 21:24 TanGeng wrote:
My top vig target would be Corazon.

On July 24 2013 22:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
I really stopped caring about this game.

On July 25 2013 22:59 FiveTouch wrote:
There's no evidence that Firm freaked out about anything.

Firm doesn't seem like the freaking-out sort, frankly.

Wouldn't mind him explaining the potential blue thing though. You're right in that that is odd.

On July 25 2013 22:55 cDgCorazon wrote:
This case is really so terrible. There's no way I "waffled" on the TAA vote. I didn't unvote him several times, and I started playing the second half of D2 like TAA was going to be the lynch. I don't understand where you are going with that.

Secondly, I did not call into question Getmoript's claim after TAA had claimed scum RB. While it doesn't really make sense to have 2 investigators, I'm more likely to believe Getmoript now that he was right about TAA. The roles look a bit more balanced with scum having a RB.

And then the last point you made is you trying to fish for reasons to make me look like scum. Try harder.

On July 25 2013 23:18 cDgCorazon wrote:
How am I supposed to consider TAA town when his response to Getmoript claiming and calling him scum was:

On July 24 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote:
Ok this is really stupid...a town RB, 2 invest, and a vigilante. Someone is lying.

##Unvote

I'm going either Getmoript or TAA.

On July 25 2013 12:26 jrkirby wrote:
Yes, his day 1 posting as a whole troubles me. But I really don't think it's damning.

On July 25 2013 22:08 FiveTouch wrote:
If you shoot Firm, I'm pushing for your lynch.

On July 22 2013 05:30 getmoript wrote:

Do you know fuck all about Tofu? Like have you played with him whatsoever?

On July 22 2013 14:59 FirmTofu wrote:
Looks like I found the whole scumteam guys.
It's obviously DrH, TG, and jrkirby.

On July 23 2013 08:35 FirmTofu wrote:
The whole bit where people attack Oats for not giving a shit is a waste of time. Whether you attack him or not, he isn't going to start suddenly giving a shit.

Vigi him if you have to. Stop wasting time talking to him.

For the lynch tomorrow, TG is the only viable choice. He's been scummy all game long and needs to be exterminated. His death would also provide us invaluable information about jrk and DrH, maybe even Oats.

As for where discussion should go..., I think we should be talking about people like TAA and JJD, maybe rayn as well. There are people who are currently sitting in the null-scum territory for me and are likely to scumslip when pressured. I'm going to go through their filters and see if I can find some dirt on them.

On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much.

On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
rayns post mortem.
Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum.
Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum.
Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was.
Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him
super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then.
Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone

On July 23 2013 22:07 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
onegu i didnt respond to your case because its a very weak one. The first post you quoted i called firmtofu out for pretending to be very productive(or willing to be very productive) while not doing anything. That isnt a scum tell? in my book it is.

The latter post i tried to show what a facade getmoript was pulling, going full bad cop-good cop on us this game. His fake emotions and empty posts seemed scummy to me, really reminiscent of how iGrok played in a newbie mafia game. Player with a ton of experience making fluffy posts and talking a ton. He has kinda stopped making the flufposts so it mightve been just part of his day1 play. Still thinking about this one though.

On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much.

On July 24 2013 13:53 FirmTofu wrote:
I think you should all hold off on your accusations of me until the flip. I'm done answering these questions. Austin had the only good ones anyway.

On July 24 2013 06:16 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Its funny 5touch is defending TG again. I have a scum read on neither but gotta keep an eye on things like that.

On July 24 2013 06:20 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
Also i disagree with the whole "TG claimed RB so hes not scum" train. I think if you thought he was scum D1 you should still think thats the case, since claiming RB obviously implies youre some kind of blue role (yes even despite VT roleclaims on D1) which is exactly what a desperate scum will do to make it another day.
I think claiming RB is very much a null tell, it shouldnt change your position on TG too much.

On July 24 2013 06:21 TheAwesomeAll wrote:
claiming detective instead of making a case is cheating

On July 22 2013 14:32 FirmTofu wrote:
jrkirby are you still out there? You need to be voting TG right now.

On July 22 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:
DrH, vote TG NOW.

On July 22 2013 14:59 FirmTofu wrote:
Looks like I found the whole scumteam guys.
It's obviously DrH, TG, and jrkirby.

On July 22 2013 15:17 FirmTofu wrote:
I agree that DrH is scum for denying the lynch.

First things first: lynch TanGeng. Push reads. Probably still lynch DrH. Push Reads. Decide whether Oats/jrkirby/TAA/someone else is the last mafia.

On July 23 2013 08:35 FirmTofu wrote:
The whole bit where people attack Oats for not giving a shit is a waste of time. Whether you attack him or not, he isn't going to start suddenly giving a shit.

Vigi him if you have to. Stop wasting time talking to him.

For the lynch tomorrow, TG is the only viable choice. He's been scummy all game long and needs to be exterminated. His death would also provide us invaluable information about jrk and DrH, maybe even Oats.

As for where discussion should go..., I think we should be talking about people like TAA and JJD, maybe rayn as well. There are people who are currently sitting in the null-scum territory for me and are likely to scumslip when pressured. I'm going to go through their filters and see if I can find some dirt on them.

On July 26 2013 02:59 jrkirby wrote:
Oatsmaster: He kinda picked up his play a bit day 2, I don't have a solid scumread on him anymore. Honestly, he might make a decent lynch in 2 days though (or a vig shot? Too bad that's super unlikely).

Corazon: Him being scum really depends on whether he can give good info to the town. I still don't know why he just announced his role without any info at all.

So, I can't give a good recommendation for who to shoot between me and TG, because I think we're both town. I might slightly prefer TG getting shot, but that's only because I think I'll play better from here on out, I KNOW I'm town, and only think that he's town, and I like being alive.

On the off chance that you shoot firmtofu and he's scum, I am eternally grateful.

On July 26 2013 12:35 jrkirby wrote:
I'd rather onegu shoot me than not at all. I seriously think it's better for town that way.

On July 26 2013 13:14 jrkirby wrote:
Would be really nice if onegu shot oats and it was scum.

On July 26 2013 12:50 TanGeng wrote:
I'm with jrkirby. Just shoot me.... now.

On July 27 2013 00:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm not entirely convinced by your case. FirmTofu's interaction with TAA is a little bit sketch, but the second part of your case (in which you say he pressures multiple people near the D1 deadline) only shows to me what he cared about the vote and wanted you dead, which would be really ballsy for scum to do. If he was scum, he would not have cared too much if you had died or not. A no-lynch is still really good for scum, which tells me that TAA's efforts to drive your lynch home do not have much scum motivation.

On July 27 2013 00:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Oh I'm still all about lynching Tofu. I just wanted to clear up this whole corazon role thing first.

On July 21 2013 07:48 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

Hey guys look at my townie townieness im talking about being a good townie so i must be a good townie right?


FirmTofu gets what this game is about, just talk about how good of a townie you are and spam your post count up!
Also this new hydra thing is anoying as hell.

On July 22 2013 08:14 austinmcc wrote:
I prefer an oats lynch to TAA I think. Don't believe either smurf is mafia at this point, so long as most of 5T's posts have come from marv.

I have not hydraed, by hydraing as scum seems particular troublesome. Some other dude might do something scummy and you can get lynched for it. If anyone HAS hydraed as scum, is that the case? You're paranoid your hydra partner might do something you find scummy? If that IS the case, then getmoript is posting too much/too freely to be the D1 lynch, and if he ever drops the bad cop, worse cop, even worse and angry cop act then that would be nice.

On July 22 2013 08:46 austinmcc wrote:
It IS worth pointing out. Honestly it's the single post in your filter that stuck out the most to me, and I think it's townie.

getmoript, either/both halves, chat about that post (by yourselves, in this thread, whatever). TAA's post is 8 hours after 5T's post. After that 5T post, TAA has:I read that as TAA actually looking through 5T and getmoript's filters, a "figuring the game out" thing. Do you read this as "trying to be all sneaky and make an extra bro scummy"?

On July 22 2013 09:04 austinmcc wrote:
I'm happier with an Oats lynch. Don't have a good scumread on anyone who's been posting a good bit. I'm slightly worried that I'm just punishing him for last game, but I feel pretty good that that's not actually the case, that's he's super lurky but actually was reading at one point or more, and can get behind the thought of "Oats is EVEN less impactful this game because he's rolled scum 2x in a row."

I don't want to lynch FirmTofu either. jrkirby interests me but I'd like to wait and see more from him. DrH valuable if town imo, would like to wait. So I come down to really looking at zephir and Oats, and wanting to lynch Oats between the pair.

On July 22 2013 09:27 austinmcc wrote:
Went ahead and voted Oats. There's merit on both sides of the TAA thing, but I like that post and his response to me as townie posts. The only caveat is that if 5T is town and marv disagrees with my thought process entirely and thinks I'm dumb and TAA is mafia, then it ups that chance TAA is mafia by more than I'd like.

On July 22 2013 11:35 getmoript wrote:
I ask because I have like super hella meta on JJD. He's one of like 3-4 people who i am 100% on my meta reads on. All that pressure was to get a reaction from him. I'm fine-ish on him right now. I'd like to see more before solidify him as green but I don't want to lynch him today. Move your vote.

On July 25 2013 23:34 austinmcc wrote:
Need to do some more rereading. Don't like FirmTofu as a shot right now: (1) SUPER HARD "defended" a guy who was clearly getting lynched (2) on SUPER WEIRD grounds. I am more inclined to believe actually that FirmTofu really did have some runin with fake-claiming Ace and that was fresh on his mind. I think a TG shot is fine.

I think a jrkirby shot is maybe less fine, the conversation I had with him last night was...he was VERY freely saying some stuff that could get him into hot water/make him look scummy. Like, if he's scum, then scum is just saying "I'm townie cuz this guy's posts weren't awful and he scumhunted" followed by not pulling up any not-awful posts and only finding scumhunting with 45 minutes to go in the day because people had been bullying him for reads. I don't count that as scumhunting, and it looks VASTLY different from the last game I saw TanGeng in (as town). To just straight up type those things and post them is, imo, a super mega outrageous plan if jrkirby is scum.

On July 27 2013 12:46 Onegu wrote:
Null but townie

TG his reaction with his rb seems real and I dont see scum makeing a rb on thier own player I just dont, also his activity has picked up markedly with actual scum hunting even though I disagree with his reads.

Firm fairly active, makes decent reads answers questions well and in a timely manner, this is my 4th game with him I think and this is concurrent with his town meta

On July 28 2013 04:21 FiveTouch wrote:
Nope, or I wouldn't be posting at all. Only doing so because it was critical

On July 28 2013 04:17 FiveTouch wrote:
Because I got a town check on him.

If you have any additional questions, please ask.

I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong.
I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely.

On July 28 2013 06:34 FirmTofu wrote:

Instead of all of us wasting our checks... why don't we lynch Cora and see what our cop sanity is based on his flip? that way we'll know whether the two cops can find scum the following night.

It's a win-win.

On July 28 2013 07:49 Vivax wrote:


Actually, that's my proposed scumteam, not yours.
Anyway, I'm all ears and would like to see where you explained your TG read.
My current knowledge is that townies like to talk about their scumreads, and don't have much trouble remembering their reasons for suspecting them.

On July 28 2013 08:32 TanGeng wrote:
@Corazon

Have time to read austinmcc's filter?

Look after you read his filter.
I here's what I came away with:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 28 2013 09:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@TG. I was w/ you on Tofu before. But how are you not reevaluating ur read on him after this DT claim?

Explain to me how he possibly could have made this claim as scum? He specifically said that he got the exact same role PM as getmo. Then 5T immediately backed him up. How could he have known that? The only way it makes any sense is if 5T and tofu are mafia. And a double fake claim just seems way too ridiculous to consider.

On July 28 2013 06:06 FiveTouch wrote:
TG is player of the team if that's the case, but it's absolutely within the realm of possible to ME. Marv may disagree, but my townread on TG is heavily tied into his more recent play....

Though now that I'm sitting here thinking about it, most of what I dismissed as townie on D1 was based on the assumption that he just doesn't know what he's doing. He's displaying a completely different kind of mindset and capability recently. :/

On July 28 2013 04:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I gave myself a 12:00 deadline to post this. I've only delayed it this long because I wanted to see where the votes go before my reveal. I was also hoping for the off chance that people would lynch Cora without me having to reveal.

I am the Detective! I have the exact same role pm as getmoript.
Night 1, I checked TAA. Result: Town
Night 2, I checked Cora. Result: Town

This should answer a few questions for you.
Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?
Because I got a town check on him.

If you have any additional questions, please ask.

I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong.
I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely.

Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!

On July 28 2013 04:22 FirmTofu wrote:

Oh damn. Okay hold on, I'm going to have to think about this for a bit.

On July 24 2013 06:22 cDgCorazon wrote:


I'm pretty sure I'm sane. I checked myself to check for sanity and it said I came back a "detective" so I'm guessing I must be sane.

On July 28 2013 04:04 FirmTofu wrote:
Alright, I gave myself a 12:00 deadline to post this. I've only delayed it this long because I wanted to see where the votes go before my reveal. I was also hoping for the off chance that people would lynch Cora without me having to reveal.

I am the Detective! I have the exact same role pm as getmoript.
Night 1, I checked TAA. Result: Town
Night 2, I checked Cora. Result: Town

This should answer a few questions for you.
Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?
Because I got a town check on him.

If you have any additional questions, please ask.

I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong.
I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely.

Welcome, getmoript to A Bluelightz Mafia, where you hopefully will save Blueville from destruction at the hands of the Redvillians. You, as a Detective, have special equipment to discover the dubious loyalty of other citizens. Beware, your equipment may be defective and give you fake results!

On July 24 2013 07:16 FirmTofu wrote:
Wait, so let me get this straight. getmoript and Corazon are both claiming cop?

Are people told whether they are naive/paranoid/sane/insane when they receive their roles?
How useful is a cop's accusation when we cannot trust their sanity?

I don't think lynching TAA based solely on getmoript's claim is the best course of action. If we think TAA is scummy AND we have getmoript's claim to back it up, I don't mind lynching him.

Back to scumhunting. I'm going to ignore the cop claims for now because in NW, I tried to setup speculate and that fucked me over. I don't want to simply assume that two cops can't exist.

My scumreads are TG, jrkirby, and TAA.

TG claimed he was roleblocked. This is not alignment indicative. He was scummy yesterday and nothing has changed to sway my opinion in the other direction.

I will talk more about jrkirby and TAA in a few additional posts.

On July 24 2013 08:13 FirmTofu wrote:

I will address this post directly because everyone seems to think I am scum for not addressing it.

This post does not reflect well upon TAA, I totally agree. However, I don't think it makes him 100% scum either. He could be newb town that doesn't feel like defending himself in a situation where it's his word against getmoript's.

I've been placed in a sort of similar situation in Sicilian and I know how it feels. Ace fakeclaimed and called me mafia, which was a lie. I didn't even feel like defending myself because there was really nothing I could say. It was my word against his.

Anyway, like I said, I'm not against lynching TAA. He's still a null-scum read to me, especially after this post. I will look into his filter, give me a few minutes.

On July 28 2013 13:13 FirmTofu wrote:
TG, if you had changed your read on me after I claimed, I would have actually considered you being town. You sealed your fate when you started tunnelling me after I claimed. JJD had a town response to my claim. You and cDg had a scum response. That's how I know you two are scum. That's why cDg ragequit. He knows its over as long as town stays active.

On July 28 2013 13:14 FirmTofu wrote:

Ebwop: town check*

On July 28 2013 06:34 FirmTofu wrote:

Instead of all of us wasting our checks... why don't we lynch Cora and see what our cop sanity is based on his flip? that way we'll know whether the two cops can find scum the following night.

It's a win-win.

On July 28 2013 13:26 FirmTofu wrote:

Are you serious right now? I was pushing my TOWN CHECK.

On July 24 2013 08:48 FirmTofu wrote:

Yes, I have read his filter. Inactivity is not necessarily alignment indicative. Can you make a sophisticated case against him please?

I would like these posts specifically to be addressed.



Thanks, getmoript.

On July 28 2013 13:51 FirmTofu wrote:
How about this? If I'm wrong about Cora, you can always lynch me the following day. That would save us from lylo and give us enough of a shot to catch the last scum based on the flip.

But seriously, cDg is scum.

On July 28 2013 12:18 TanGeng wrote:
Let's go at the Tofu Roleclaim from a different angle:

This is the FirmTofu Claim:
See Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long?


Now look look at FirmTofu's role PM.


FirmTofu basically sees that he has a possibility of being insane. The Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long? still makes no sense. He'd have to question his own sanity first and since he got a DT check, he'd be really interested in figuring out TAA alignment first.

That is not what happened. FirmTofu basically explored everybody else before finally getting to TAA.
I'm having a real problem with this claim even on its own now.

On July 28 2013 12:27 TanGeng wrote:
Ok dead fakeclaim by FirmTofu. Here's Tofu's first post when entering TAA fray.


Unless he was misrepresenting himself, he should know the answer to the bolded question, already.

On July 28 2013 13:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I don't see how lynching you is better than no lynch. I've already explained why pretty certain ur town now.

I'll still be around for a while.

On July 28 2013 13:58 jrkirby wrote:


Well, getmoript was a DT with unknown sanity, and he pushed TAA to lynch.

On July 28 2013 14:10 FirmTofu wrote:

I got a town check on cDg. I know I probably get town checks on scum, so this implicates cDg. cDg voted you.

So basically, my biggest scumread was bussing you. That didn't make any sense because scum couldn't afford to lose a member at this stage of the game. That would basically be gg. Bussing was not an option. Therefore, you had to be town.

Also, TG makes a lot more sense as scum considering Day 1 and how heavily he's pushing me today.

On July 28 2013 14:24 FirmTofu wrote:
That being said, I am perfectly OK with being lynched. I just want town to promise that they will lynch you AND TG when I flip town.

If town agrees to that, I'll vote myself.

On July 28 2013 14:26 FirmTofu wrote:

Yeah, you choose who dies. I have you as a town read. I've been pressuring you all game. You know you're town. Why would I suddenly switch you to a town read if I was scum?

I think that alone should convince you I'm town.

On July 28 2013 14:35 FirmTofu wrote:

Well, I'll lead the lynch on Vivax if corazon flips town. I can promise that.

On July 28 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Onegu. Consider this. cDg has already practically ragequit the game. In the coming days, he will be practically useless to us. He hasn't bothered to defend himself in the thread and is just using TG for his own purposes.

If you are 50/50 split, then I think the pendulum swings his way for not even bothering to play the game at this point.

On July 28 2013 14:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Onegu. Consider this. cDg has already practically ragequit the game. In the coming days, he will be practically useless to us. He hasn't bothered to defend himself in the thread and is just using TG for his own purposes.

If you are 50/50 split, then I think the pendulum swings his way for not even bothering to play the game at this point.

On July 28 2013 15:00 Onegu wrote:
I think they are town TG what more do you want. I just want a lynch today.

On July 28 2013 15:05 FirmTofu wrote:
bluelightz, why do you torture me so?

On July 28 2013 15:06 Onegu wrote:
Because we cant trust the checks...

On July 28 2013 15:08 Onegu wrote:
Would you be saying the same things if I switched to firm as I have him as town also? So please just stop.

On July 28 2013 15:08 FirmTofu wrote:
Why do you sound so sure he's going to flip town?

On July 28 2013 15:11 FirmTofu wrote:
Okay, we lose. I can't believe that just happened.

On July 28 2013 15:16 FirmTofu wrote:
TG, I'm going to have a look at your case on Vivax/Austin again. Can you link it please?

On July 28 2013 15:16 Onegu wrote:
How can you guys not see JrKirby is scum?

On July 28 2013 14:58 TanGeng wrote:
@Onegu

What is your case against kirby. Really. It's "meta" but this jrkirby is a lurky newbie and you're trying to force a meta on him?

I posted my case, and you never liked it. You do realize these cases are scumhunting fundamentals, right? You use meta as a last resort.
Tofu
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&currentpage=94#1880
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&currentpage=95#1885

His scum partner Vivax/austinmcc
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&currentpage=98#1960
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356&currentpage=99#1962

On July 28 2013 15:23 FirmTofu wrote:
You didn't catch me. Explain to me why I would push for cDg's lynch if I was scum. This would only push your proposed scumteam of me and Vivax to the spotlight. If I was scum, I would have silently wagoned the kirby lynch so that neither of us would be suspected.

On July 29 2013 02:42 FirmTofu wrote:
If anyone has any questions for me at all, please ask. I'll be completely honest. I don't think Vivax would push cDg so heavily if he was scum. There were clear reasons to think cDg was scum and I echoed his sentiment. I totally got what Vivax was trying to say from a town perspective. Austin has also looked town to me this entire game.

Just my 2cents. I know they don't matter much anymore. Looks like I'm a naive cop and 5T is paranoid. That's a bit odd.