EPTA Bluelightz Mafia "The Attack"
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So where is everyone? | ||
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Starting riiiiiiiight.......here. ##Vote: rayn | ||
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Also geript no, I'm not on right now. I'll probably be on later though, in case you...you know...had anything you wanted to say. | ||
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On July 21 2013 03:32 getmoript wrote: You wanna say something alignment indicative for me. Because otherwise I really want to lynch you because both Hydras can't be town. By far the scummiest thing said in the thread so far, and possibly the scummiest thing that will be said for the entire cycle. Well done you. ~marv | ||
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And creating some false dichotomy based on nothing. Yuk yuk yuk. ~marv | ||
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On July 21 2013 03:43 getmoript wrote: I'm not talking to you Marv. I can't read you for shit. As a matter of fact I don't think I've played a game with you other than the other hydra game. Put VE back on the line. You're serious? You say something horrendous and then just say you're not going to interact with me? How about some motivation, because you're being disgusting so far. ##Vote: getmoript | ||
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On July 21 2013 04:01 austinmcc wrote: marv, given the replacement dealy, do you actually view that early comment as scummy AND stupid, or mostly just stupid? Both. Because stupidity aside, it's a totally false reason for creating suspicion. | ||
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On July 21 2013 04:02 getmoript wrote: Are you an idiot Marv or just scum? I told you I can't read you versus shit. I read people far better when I've followed/played in more games with them. Hell I still don't have a read on you in Ver's game. You just mad because I'm more gay ripped than you? This doesn't even make sense. Reading me for shit is totally irrelevant to conversing with someone in thread. It's also completely irrelevant to YOU saying terrible, shit things. | ||
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I prefer Zeph, as he's actually posted yet has said literally nothing...but like I said, I would support any of the other lynches I mentioned without hesitation. -VE | ||
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What do you think of Zeph's question to us? I found it pretty scummy that all he had to ask was one throwaway question to us that he didn't really even care to know the answer to. | ||
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On July 21 2013 23:06 TheAwesomeAll wrote: this post is so weird, fake outrage from nowhere, no real message "plz only shoot the mafia", if i could i would lynch only geript but for now ##vote: getmoript would do. Im fairly sure either FiveTouch or getmoript is scum but since they attacked each other a bunch its probably not both, and since FT has been doing the attacking and getmoript has been backpaddeling as soon as he gets any heat im leaning towards him. What is it with these dichotomies this game? Could you explain to the punters why you are 'fairly sure' of this? ~marv | ||
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As you're actually creating content, I'll be nice. It's just that none of the things you list as scummy are actually not scummy in the slightest. 1) very noncommittal 2) prepared too lynch a townie (scum knows theyre pushing to lynch town thats why they make excuses "these lurkers will ruin late game" "lynching xyz would be fun") 3) lots of posts without content 1) If I'd wanted, I could easily have just tunnelled getmoript. Attacking someone and retracting isn't scummy, it's just natural ebb and flow of the game at this stage. 2) No evidence of this, you're just taking a scum point of view and presuming we want to lynch townies. It's just silly. Lurkers absolutely do ruin late game, and it's not scummy to say so. Anyone with a passing familiarity with my games knows my vote usually ends up on the scummiest lurker I can find at the end of day 1. Saying "lynching xyz would be fun" is basically the opposite of scummy, because it's clearly not serious. Unless you genuinely believe we want to actually lynch someone for fun? Do you even think mafia would say that? 3) No real reason this is scummy, townies tend to post more than scum. ~marv | ||
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getmoript, you think TAA's cases were malicious rather than wrong townie then? ~marv | ||
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On July 22 2013 06:56 getmoript wrote: @Marv. What do you think of Rayn? I don't seem to have strong opinions about anybody. Just browsed through his filter and didn't feel much one way or another. Don't really know what to do. Oats is *so* quiet it's hard to know what's going on with him, you'd figure he'd be posting more as scum than this if he was actually around, so meh. Can you be compelling about TAA for me? :p ~marv | ||
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And I think plenty by myself, thank you dearest, I wanted to know if getmoript would produce similar reasoning as I would, and they did, so that feels decent to me. | ||
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You'll regret making me read filters for tonight. This I swear. | ||
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Can we make TG lynch happen? | ||
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Admittedly this doesn't exclude him being town. I just find it far more likely to come from scum than town in this instance based on how he's presented himself in thread. Look at his defense - he's not even trying to convince me he's scumhunting. He's appealing to my fear of mislynching, exclusively. Like I said - it's nullish, but I'm leaning scum and we've got an established wagon DocH. Plz vote TG | ||
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I thought self-voting is allowed. I read the rulez. | ||
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On July 22 2013 14:49 FiveTouch wrote: TG was mostly lurking, but came into the thread as soon as his name was called and has since put on a pretty poor show of appearing townie. Admittedly this doesn't exclude him being town. I just find it far more likely to come from scum than town in this instance based on how he's presented himself in thread. Look at his defense - he's not even trying to convince me he's scumhunting. He's appealing to my fear of mislynching, exclusively. Like I said - it's nullish, but I'm leaning scum and we've got an established wagon DocH. Plz vote TG I typed this to you DocH. You didn't care about the lynch, and you fucking denied it CAUSING a no lynch. What's worse, is that EVEN IF you're scum, you could easily do this on a townie TG just to fuck with me. Please play the game with us. Not everyone is a douchebag. Your last 3 posts have been trash and you know it. If you're town you're failing to live up to standards you've created for yourself. If you're scum, just ignore this shit, because I'm going to know by D2 anyway. | ||
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Just want that in bold red letters so it catches everyone's eye who skims this page. | ||
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On July 22 2013 16:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: what? i dont even know what the lynch mechanics in this game are jesus christ can i catch up and play the game legit in the morning instead of being screamed at Just leave the thread if all you're going to do is make excuses and appeal to emotion. I've had a long day too, as evident by the fact that I only just made it in by the deadline too. But I clearly had an opinion on the lynch because I informed myself as best I coudl with limited time. You chose, instead, to make a throwaway vote and play NBA2k13 and then come in here and appeal to emotion. As you can see, I'm having a hard time buying your excuses. Take whatever further time away from the thread you need. I'm pushing your lynch regardless of your replace-out status until you convince me not to. I'm also not angry about it OR screaming at you. I'm stating fact. Nighty night. | ||
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On July 22 2013 16:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol sorry i didnt read 500 posts and fucked up a voting mechanic i wasnt aware of after driving on the I-5 north for 3 hours and badly hurting my collarbone and at least coming in to explain my absence im just tired of this shit in every tl mafia game whether im scum or town, im done seeing this bullshit happen. you're too stupid to think of anything constructive to say so hey let's attack a lurker for not playing the way i want him to! i get to decide how real life gets to affect people! what a joke. I'm too stupid. You're pissed off because people suspect you in a mafia game, calling them morons, NOT saying anything constructive yourself, ragequitting...and I'M stupid. I thought you already made your last post Doc? | ||
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All of that bullshit you just said about real life keeping you from reading the thread? Yeah whether I believe that's true or not (I do by the way), that says NOTHING about your alignment and affects your ability to play the game in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY regardless of your alignment. What I have a problem with is how you handled coming back into the thread and not giving a shit about the lynch. You can say I'm attacking you for not reading 500 posts all you want, but that's not what's going on here. I specifically have a problem with the FACT that you didn't give a shit about the lynch. | ||
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Come at me baddie. This is gonna be fun. ^^ | ||
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Disappoint. | ||
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Look at the bright side: it's time you won't have to waste because good news! I'm town! | ||
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Well, yesterday I was hanging out at my friend Eric's house, then today I had family cookout at my buddy Bryce's house. My phone has been dead, so unfortunately no checking in unfortunately. But you're in luck! This question was COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to my alignment, so it doesn't matter whether you believe my story or not! :D | ||
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On July 22 2013 17:19 getmoript wrote: Strike 1 Explain to me why how Dr.H is raging and tilting isn't alignment indicative. Why how he's commented on things isn't alignment indicative? How he's commented on things IS alignment indicative! He immediately misrepresented my argument! He says it like three times, he's "angry" because we all "expect him to read the whole thread." That's not at all what (I think) ANYONE was saying. He was LYING about the argument to make it SEEM unreasonable. The expectation for him to, as a town player, help town get a lynch on D1 is NOT unreasonable. It's not guys, I don't care if he was confused about whether it was plurality or majority lynch, he didn't WANT town to get information from the lynch. That IS alignment indicative. It INDICATES that he's playing from a SCUM perspective. | ||
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Do you have anything you want to ask about someone who like....you know...has content? And is suspicious? Like, you're asking me a lot about DocH, but you haven't asked me at all about TG. You know, the guy we almost lynched just now? | ||
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Whatever man...if you think I'm scum make a case. I'm done talking to you because you're clearly not even listening to me. You're just looking for opportunities to go "IF that's you're REAL name..." or something equally ambiguously accusatory. Make your case on my "passiveness" and my pushing Doc for reasons I thoroughly believe are scummy. We'll talk again when you're done. | ||
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On July 22 2013 16:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: lol sorry i didnt read 500 posts and fucked up a voting mechanic i wasnt aware of after driving on the I-5 north for 3 hours and badly hurting my collarbone and at least coming in to explain my absence im just tired of this shit in every tl mafia game whether im scum or town, im done seeing this bullshit happen. you're too stupid to think of anything constructive to say so hey let's attack a lurker for not playing the way i want him to! i get to decide how real life gets to affect people! what a joke. Look, you enormous douchebag, you signed up for this game, you knew when it was going to start, you committed to playing it. Raging because you're too fucking stupid to sign up for a game you can play is fucking pathetic. ~marv | ||
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Oats, On July 22 2013 15:19 Oatsmaster wrote: i dont want to super lurk, circumstances have forced me into this position. On July 22 2013 15:23 Oatsmaster wrote: Circumstances like I like to play dota. Also my QT keeps wanting me to lurk. dunno why man. This isn't really good enough. Please play games you sign up to play, regardless of your alignment. Do you think how you played on Day 1 is acceptable/fun for the other players? On July 22 2013 15:47 getmoript wrote: Dick move analysis doesn't apply to me. I'll tell you that straight up. So arrogant, young one. Dick move analysis applies to whoever I apply it to, because it's never once done me wrong. | ||
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~marv | ||
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Stop playing like this, it's not nice to play with. | ||
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On July 22 2013 23:08 Oatsmaster wrote: why so uncommital? How do you not have a read on me? Also, why dont I have reasons to call dudes scum as mafia? Why only as town? Why are you meta reading my tunnel? I'm not rayn, but you've refused to do anything that can have a read based around it. It's not unreasonable for him to want to see what you've got before passing judgement, is it? ~marv | ||
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You're 'away' and 'busy' for 2 days... playing dota? or whatever it is... and now you're here! but you don't have the motivation to do anything. Starts to wear thin, Oats. I think you're "too lazy" because you're just calling rayn mafia based on nothing. | ||
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Can you just like... tell the truth? | ||
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You spend what time you had here on day 1 saying "rayn is scum" and "why aren't you listening to what I said about rayn" when you never said anything about rayn other than lolscum. You say you're busy playing dota, then it's a joke, then you say you're free but you refuse to play, then you have a test tomorrow. It's becoming pretty clear that you have no interest in town winning the game. | ||
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On July 22 2013 23:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yes, what you've said is that you don't want to reread stuff and look for those reasons. I'm asking why you can't do that. And I'd think that you'd have some idea of why you you think someone is scum w/o needing to go back and reread. Yeah, this is what reeks to me. Townies don't just forget what suddenly made them convinced someone was mafia. | ||
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On July 22 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote: You cant remember a single instance when I did this as scum either. Hence why i'm not bringing meta into it. Meta has nothing to do with it. You brought up meta and you've established yourself it's not either of your meta, so why are you even talking about it? Again, townies don't just forget why they found someone super-scummy. Mafia might because their reads are bullshit. | ||
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austin - I hope you have thoughts on other players because you literally said nothing about DocH (what is there to say? Why mention him?) and you said nothing about Oats (the lecture is cool an all, but you never say whether or not you would kill that dude) and you said nothing about getmoript (I don't even know what you just said about getmoript, but it says nothign about what you think his aligment is) in that post just now. It reeks of fake contribution and I find you suspicious for it. Make it stop. -VE | ||
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On July 23 2013 05:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Ok so I read everyone's filter and I've come up with a few opinions: -TG should've been lynched D1. Like seriously. His game has been ridiculously scummy and he should've been lynched for it. -Getmoript needs to stop arguing with everyone. While I applaud them for posting a lot and trying to move things forward, they are borderline creating chaos in the game. I'm leaning a bit towards scum with them, but I need to see more because Geript is playing very rash and emotional while WoS is being more moderate and even-keel. -DrH did cause a no-lynch so I think that should against him, but he should not be instantly beheaded for it. That being said, I really do want to hear more from him. -Everyone has been too spammy in their posts, and there has not been enough analysis. Only 2 or 3 players have been providing good analysis on a constant basis. In an environment like this, scum are going to thrive. Everyone needs to step up so scum have nowhere to hide. If anyone wants opinions on specific things, just ask. Well that was underwhelming. Let's recap. TG = Scummy. Okay so far...no analysis about what it means that we no lynched or anything, but whatever Cora is blameless being a replacement anyway. Getmoript = leaning scum in spite of doing townie things. No reason given. Don't like that. DrH = not leaning scum in spite of doing scummy things. Wants to hear more. Meh whatever, I don't like it but I'm biased. Everyone spammy whine. Don't like it. Also he's saying he read filters, but this looks more like a bullet list of topics after skimming the thread. Why no questions of people who have NOT been topics of discussion? Overall I give this catchup post a 3 out of a possible 10 for towniness and I'm now scrutinizing Corazon heavily. -VE | ||
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My problem is that Cora just claimed to read EVERYONE'S filter, yet he has nothing to show for it except for a recap of the game so far flavored with town sentiment. | ||
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That was my original problem with ur case and what remains my primary issue with it. Also consider: scum aren't often found to be just flinging shit every direction as their primary action in the game. Scum are more often found among the assenting voices...the hushed murmur in the background of people lining up to give away their votes to the loudest, often wrongheaded, actual attackers. -VE | ||
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On July 23 2013 05:53 FiveTouch wrote: Is there any reason a town-aligned Tofu can't be making those posts to like...provoke discussion or get reactions? Is there some reason you've narrowed it down to scum-aligned mentality? That was my original problem with ur case and what remains my primary issue with it. Also consider: scum aren't often found to be just flinging shit every direction as their primary action in the game. Scum are more often found among the assenting voices...the hushed murmur in the background of people lining up to give away their votes to the loudest, often wrongheaded, actual attackers. -VE Don't ignore me JJD. You won't like me when I'm ignored. -VE | ||
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What do you think, my friend, my colleague, about Zephirdd/Corazon? | ||
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This was where I initially was concerned about Zephirdd - his intro post was totally fluff and accomplished nothing, followed by hard lurk. On July 21 2013 15:19 FiveTouch wrote: Okay I've read the thread and I want to lynch a lurker. Throw a dart between DocH, Zephirdd, Oatsmaster and TAA. None have even tried to fake caring about the game, so I'm not even going to fake caring about their lives. Who's it gonna be guys? I prefer Zeph, as he's actually posted yet has said literally nothing...but like I said, I would support any of the other lynches I mentioned without hesitation. -VE This was my response to Cora's catchup post after replacing Zephirdd: On July 23 2013 05:30 FiveTouch wrote: Well that was underwhelming. Let's recap. TG = Scummy. Okay so far...no analysis about what it means that we no lynched or anything, but whatever Cora is blameless being a replacement anyway. Getmoript = leaning scum in spite of doing townie things. No reason given. Don't like that. DrH = not leaning scum in spite of doing scummy things. Wants to hear more. Meh whatever, I don't like it but I'm biased. Everyone spammy whine. Don't like it. Also he's saying he read filters, but this looks more like a bullet list of topics after skimming the thread. Why no questions of people who have NOT been topics of discussion? Overall I give this catchup post a 3 out of a possible 10 for towniness and I'm now scrutinizing Corazon heavily. -VE I've got serious misgivings with that slot (which is why I asked you) so you just saying "Nothing, there's nothing to go off of" is a little insulting whether intended or not. Care to dig deep and give me your thoughts on what I've said about them? | ||
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On July 23 2013 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote: TAA is someone else on my watchlist of low-but-some-post players who did fuck all with the few posts they've made. Sadly, he hasn't been enough of a presence to keep me interested...but that could be a bad thing too. qff | ||
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Besides, marv has opted out of reading you (for reasons I'm sure you're familiar with considering your last post) so if you think you can, convince me you're town. As it stands, I think I'm pushing your lynch tomorrow otherwise. -VE | ||
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On July 23 2013 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are right. I can also see how it's possible that DrH is town based on how he acted around the lynch. And DrH being scum is related to TanGeng's alignment atm. Why would scum!DrH do what he did if TanGeng is town? To cause no lynch. No lynch hurts town not just by denying a lynch on scum...not getting information out of that lynch hurts town BY ITSELF, I mean, now we've either gotta follow through and lynch TG tomorrow or find another target...and if we find another target, we'll always wonder about whether scum tried to save TG or not, etc. | ||
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From my perspective, a no-lynch is an INCREDIBLE boon for the scumteam, ESPECIALLY if TG is town. Because now everyone's eyes are on TG for TOMORROW'S lynch right? By DEFAULT. But anyway, that's just MY opinion, and it's regarding DocH who is either replacing out or getting modkilled or providing further content later, so it's whatever. | ||
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Like, no you weren't dude. No one posts with the sole intent of "generating discussion". People have stuff to say when they post, and he defended himself by saying "Dude don't listen to me, I was just trying to generate discussion" That's ultimately why I assented to lynch TG. That and the existing wagon. | ||
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Anyway, I'm much more informed now and I'm not sure where this whole thing is leading - do you have a problem with my more recent play that I'm not aware of? | ||
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"Not screaming townie" On D1, I basically narrow down the lynch to players I will lynch by first generating a list of players I WILL NOT lynch. TG was easily not on the list of players I WILL NOT lynch, but as for why he was demoted from null to WILL LYNCH... "Attempting to APPEAR townie" On July 22 2013 12:43 TanGeng wrote: Tofu, I'm multitasking. Doing two things at the same time. When votes are counted, lynching an active based on evidence is preferable to lynching an inactive. I'm poking the inactives while I still have time. On July 22 2013 13:35 TanGeng wrote: Don't lynch me. It really was trying to stir up some activity. I'm trying to help out town and austin just jumped all over me. On July 22 2013 14:15 TanGeng wrote: Plurality Lynch? Hmm. Might be GG for me and 4 others On July 22 2013 14:38 TanGeng wrote: I'm not scum! I am just trying to stir up activity and seriously if one mislynch can get activity instead of a bad quiet game, then I'd make that trade because town can actually win with the activity, but right now we're not get activity and you're just tunneling on me. 5T, About the list comment, it's facetious! Your list was fine for its timing and Tofu was calling me useless. The list themselves aren't all that useful. I saw these posts as attempting to look "just like a good townie" after being called out for his less-than-stellar posts about Tofu and I leaving him off our "lurker lists" or whatever. Taken with the fact that there was resistance to his lynch (when I entered the thread he still had a few votes to even reach majority) and the fact that we had so many lurkers, I thought it better to lynch into a weak scumread rather than roll the dice on a null. I hope this helps, but honestly I don't know why any of this isn't clear from what I've posted. | ||
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...why are they the ones who are dumb? Think about that while you reread the thread Oats. It will benefit you regardless of your alignment. | ||
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On July 23 2013 20:09 TheAwesomeAll wrote: rayns post mortem. Main thing rayne was concerned with day 1 was fighting with firmtofu, calling each other scum. Austincc thought rayn was town whereas oats was convinced rayn was scum. Tangeng joined the the rayn is scum train of thought later, but wasnt half as convinced as rayn was. Speculation: id guess oats is town because it would be really stupid to tunnel some townie and then shoot him super speculation: oats might be vigi and shot rayne but i dont know where the mafia killpower went then. Alternatively firmtofu might have been scum who didnt like the pressure. Happy wifom everyone None of this helps anything or adds anything. What conclusions are you drawing? You're just stating silly hypotheticals. Who are you suspicious of today? etc. ~marv | ||
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On July 23 2013 21:18 Onegu wrote: Why even ask this? Why are you baiting me keep this up and I will shoot you. Am I the only one curious about this? ~marv | ||
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On July 23 2013 21:58 Onegu wrote: This way I can see how people react to my claim, gathering the most info. Also I can see how my town reads respond to give me the best chance to hit scum, this is only my fifth game and I really dont want to waste my shot, so I tried do do something that would give me the best chance to hit scum. You don't want to waste your shot, so you claimed so that scum can roleblock and/or kill you? Really? | ||
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Yet you do not see why mafia might like to prevent this ?????? | ||
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On July 23 2013 22:51 cDgCorazon wrote: The fact that Oats hasn't done much this game and the fact that he is blaming me for the same thing is both hypocritical and fake scum-hunting. So yes. Oats by now has done more than Tangeng, TAA so far, wouldn't you say? Do you believe Onegu? | ||
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If you think Tangeng is scummy as hell and you're not sure about his roleblock, shouldn't you be voting for him? Actually speaking of that, I don't actually remember any reasons why he is scummy as shit. What are your reasons? ~marv | ||
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On July 23 2013 23:04 cDgCorazon wrote: I'd like to ask you the same question. Do you think Tangeng is scummy? I think he is scummy because all of his arguments have been really weak, and he hasn't done much analysis or anything to establish his townies during the entire game. He should've been lynched D1, and the fact that he wasn't is really a fail for town in my eyes. What I don't understand is how you're so sure of him over anyone else. Your arguments there for Day 1 apply to at least half, if not more, of the game. | ||
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TAA I would consider. Cora I'd DEFINITELY consider. I haven't looked at his filter yet, but I'd tentatively support a JJD lynch too...I don't know, have to read some filters. My view on Onegu's slot is in flux because of his claim - gonna have to see what he does today. Last night I was getting some red vibes off Getmoript, but those have subsided. I like his choice of TAA for a target anyway. So yeah. TheAwesomeAll, Corazon, JJD That's my initial thoughts coming into the day. | ||
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On July 24 2013 01:44 getmoript wrote: I don't like the idea of letting him go though. Someone said it earlier but we're always going to have that 'what if' feeling about him. What makes you think he's town? I know, it feels icky. He's twice used the argument that Onegu is town because he could have lynched him. Now I'm well aware that scum can fake this argument, but in my experience usually they don't, it's usually townies who say stuff like this, because townies have a very self-centric view like that. I know I do that much more as town than I do as scum. Possibly because I'm usually under less suspicion as mafia, but meh. ~marv | ||
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You've come into the thread much better now, but last night it was really raising my hackles. | ||
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On July 24 2013 01:57 getmoript wrote: But that's what I mean. If scum knew DrH is town hen that's an easy argument to toss out, and I don't think it says anything about mentality as such. You say it's more likely for that to come from a town mindset but I say it's just as easy for scum to pick up on that argument as the first one to use. And I disagree, based on my extensive experience of mafia. I'm not certain I'm right, but it's enough for me to look elsewhere for now, certainly. ~marv | ||
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So yeah, my lynch-list prior to thoroughly rereading and filtering is TAA, Corazon, jrkirby Sorry for any inconvenience this has caused. -VE | ||
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On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. TG claimed VT D1 and is claiming RB'd D2. I need help figuring out what that means. I feel like it means something. | ||
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What does this post mean? Why did you quote me, and then post this? What are you saying it means? I don't know what it means. I'm asking you what it means. | ||
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On July 24 2013 04:58 TanGeng wrote: I'm not sure why I sucked out a RB on night 1. If scum RB, would scum put me on a blue role? If town RB, what does it mean? In small games, is a town RB feasible? I have a theory. I'm waiting to hear Cora's theory first. I think it has something to do with you maybe lying about being roleblocked. | ||
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Think about it. If he's scum, why would he claim RB after claiming VT on D1? That doesn't make any sense from a scum perspective, because he'd have to answer weird questions like "Why would scum roleblock you if you claimed VT?" | ||
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On July 24 2013 05:29 cDgCorazon wrote: I love how your thought about the scum RB'ing you is completely in line with town sentiment, yet your thought about the town RB'ing you is complete setup speculation and WIFOM. There's literally no explanation why anyone would RB you. I really don't buy your RB claim. You're the one trying to WIFOM about why he's lying about the claim Cora don't even. | ||
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??? You're espousing a theory that doesn't make sense from any fucking perspective Cora. You're saying that he claimed VT on D1, and while scrutiny is ALREADY ON HIM, LIED ABOUT BEING ROLEBLOCKED D2! COORRAAAAA THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE COOORRAAAAAAA!!!! ##Unvote ##Vote: cDgCorazon | ||
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On July 24 2013 05:44 austinmcc wrote: Still curious about this. Is it purely wrapped up in the RB claim and mention of Onegu? I don't need to explain my townreads to you right now austin, unless TG is on the cusp of getting lynched, don't you worry about why I think TG is town. -VE | ||
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On July 24 2013 05:52 austinmcc wrote: No, you don't NEED to. But I realized what I wanted from you last night, when asking why you found TG scummy. I wanted...specifics, I wanted you to reference his vote on JJD, votepost, comment about discussion, the avoidance of talking about those things--the specific posts that led to the scumread that led to the wagon that led to the almost-lynch. You spoke in some general terms about things, but you never referenced the start of the wagon or my read or those posts. Now, he's become a townread. But for reasons that have to do with setup speculation and WIFOM, not his posts, and you're still not going back to those and incorporating them into anything. Like I noted at night, I was watching for people to call TG/Oats scummy and still want to lynch other folks, but also watching for people who come off of them for little/no reason and onto other people. Right now, you blipped on that radar. It's a thing that could go either way, and you explaining yourself lets me know how to interpret this. Beyond that, AMG CORA SCUM FOR MAKING ASSUMPTIONS AND DRAWING WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM BECAUSE I COME TO DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS AND WEIRD CONCLUSIONS ABOUT THE RB CLAIM. I think that vote is poop soup. I didn't realize TG claimed VT overnight. I didn't notice that until filtering him today. I don't think scum would claim VT on D1 period, and I CERTAINLY don't think scum would claim RB on D2 after claiming VT on D1 austin. Is that specific enough for you? | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:16 cDgCorazon wrote: Marv, you've thought me scum in every single game we have played together. I've been town every single time. It's the exact same thing this game. I promise you. Two things - I've not thought you scum every game. I may attack you in every game, some for less than others. For example Duel, I was alive 24 hours only and I had you down as a townread before I died. Or in Catch 22 I asked one question about you and flipped your lid - I didn't have a scumread on you. So please don't misrepresent what *always* happens. In addition, there are two alignments, and you're suggesting that I won't find you scummy when you're scum, which is again a bit silly. If you're town, stop making this argument. It helps absolutely nothing for anybody. ~marv | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:18 getmoript wrote: Fuck it. I'm tired of your shit. I'm detective. TAA is red. Go vote. Lol wow. Wow. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:28 austinmcc wrote: Sigh. You voted for him yesterday, you have the townie read on him now. Maybe you should have read his posts. VE called me scummy early N2, you think I look bad, but neither of you seems to have read ME either. Main posts of TG D1 - + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2013 09:27 TanGeng wrote: I'm not even the most inactive in this game Fuck! This is going to be bad for town. At this point I'm looking at the most active filter: getmoript. All this stuff looks townie for me right now. On July 22 2013 09:45 TanGeng wrote: I'm going to vote for JJD at this point, an initial pressure/suspicion vote. Getript suggests that we should be lynching him. A bit later, he shows up for a short little post about Tofu and then promptly goes to sleep. As getript suggests "convenient." Also 5T, what are you doing leaving me off your lists!!! You too Tofu!!! I am useless. Totally useless. Votes JJD as pressure/suspicion 5 hours before deadline. Does so after reading getmoript, agress with getmoript. However getmoript had changed his vote a while previously, wasn't voting JJD, and either had said or said later that he got a townread on JJD. Implies either not actually reading filter, or just stopping at a candidate and throwing a vote there. Voting thread was 1 page, TG doesn't even look up to see that getmoript's vote no longer on JJD. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote: When pressured about his vote, says he wanted JJD to show up for discussion. Look at my posts below, but the questions/poking at his above post weren't just "What do you want from JJD?" HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: Focus on the bolded. Likes JJD for scum more than TAA. Those are his scumreads though, or scum-ish reads.I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. On July 22 2013 12:55 TanGeng wrote: Still being pressured. Now there was no read on JJD, just probing. Won't explain how/why.Because it's not a read, yet, and if I'm probing, I am not going to telegraph how I will be probing. It isn't effective. I was clear that it was a pressure vote and I stand by that. Still not seeing where I am dropping head in the sand. On July 22 2013 13:13 TanGeng wrote: Still won't reveal anything he wanted JJD to discuss (and never has). Doesn't think TAA scum, despite those 2 being his scumreads before.I see I ignored you for the longest time and that was because I was read the thread and giving thought on other things, rather than wanting to reveal what questions I wanted to spring on JJD when he is back that he would want to answer because I had my vote on him. Also I don't think TAA is scum. What he did in his first series of posts can be considered scummy. On July 22 2013 14:14 TanGeng wrote: Now rayn and Tofu are scum. Mentioned before? Nope. Voted either before? Nope.My top suspicions are actually Tofu & Rayne. Tofu for trying to opening up ultra townie and then flinging shit around. Rayne is more of a gut feeling for those series of one liners to Tofu instead of real analysis. I wanted to follow up on Rayne but it looks like he's off. Honestly I don't know who to vote at the moment for because the day one voting volume has been so low, it's hard to pick up on anything. Doesn't look like there will be much more before the deadline so: ##vote: FirmTofu My thoughts on the deal, won't explain further, but they're honestly right there in my filter and were there on D1, where you guys don't seem to have looked. One thing that I'm unsure on, whether it's scummy or...WHAT it is, is the REFUSAL to answer straight questions posed repeatedly, while answering anything else in posts - + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote: Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote: My apologies. Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:34 austinmcc wrote: It's late in the evening She's wondering what clothes to wear I want to lynch TanGeng For making this post right here. (1) - Looks at getmoript's filter, doesn't mention all the TAA suspicion, the TAA vote, and apparently even though the voting thread is only one page, doesn't notice that getmoript's vote has moved and nobody is on JJD right now. (2) Initial pressure/suspicion vote with...5ish hours until deadline in a game that TanGeng has mentioned, at multiple points, is low activity. How is he pressuring? (3) Dat reason for voting. Vote him cuz he played conveniently (4) Repetetive "game is dead"/"I am useless"/"LOL I'm not most inactive town" comments. Checked nuclear, much more active there, has thoughts, follows up on thoughts. I don't care if he's busy, that's fine, but that post and vote are my least favorite thing in the thread right now. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote: Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly: On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote: Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent. But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote. Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote: Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote: As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote: I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD. You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. On July 22 2013 12:14 austinmcc wrote: The details that I'm asking for are...for you to explain why you were voting someone and comments you've made about them. I look at nuclear and I see posts where you lay out a thought process, reason through something, reach a conclusion. + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 19:12 TanGeng wrote: It's not that we've cleared Chezinu. In fact, he's still being looked at fairly hard. It's just that I'm not on board for immediate action. For town play, it's bad town play. But for scum play, it's bad too, because right now town has no information or leads to go on and doing this sort of thing immediately gives town a lead and potential for better analysis. At this point, I'm willing to wait for Chezinu's reasoning or for Xatalos's flip before acting on it. On July 08 2013 22:38 TanGeng wrote: Ahh I see the issue. Yes, I was discussing the possibility that inactives may have suicided, although there are only a few players that might fall into that category now. My thought process is that if there are many of Day 1 nukes, the scum could have one, and the play from johnnywup makes sense from the view point of a scum needing to fire nukes and arguing OMGUS on his lynch "bandwagon" and looking for any ground to justify someone to nuke. All his scumhunting logic is terrible. "2 or 3 scum going to bandwagon together on the first day?" That's highly unlikely. Scum are more likely to distance themselves from each other to sow confusion rather than appear as a bloc to the community. Scum day one distance each other. If multiple nukes do not explode, we're left with either a true deadline claim and town or scum or a false deadline claim and scum from one person (and maybe Chez - but Chez fired almost immediately so that might be even earlier of a deadline). Although it is speculation, I don't think lonely scum Day 1 deadline is likely at all in the setup and I'm eliminating putting aside that possibility. A false claim strategy from scum just doesn't make any sense, and I don't see them pulling it off. That leaves with only the town possibility. On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote: My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Town makes bad posts. Town often makes scummy posts. Whatever. I'm seeking the details to try and determine why you voted a dude you voted, regardless of any meta, because your reasons for voting are important. So again, let me ask some very specific things. And offer babies. What are you hoping to discuss? Do you have any questions for him? Is there a specific read you want to see from him? Your vote was pressure/suspicion, so what is it that you want to see from him, and how does it help you read him? If JJD's jumping on and leaving is "most likely not indicative of scum," then why did you vote him? On July 22 2013 13:05 austinmcc wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2013 09:49 austinmcc wrote: Explain the first sentence please. The pressure/suspicion vote bit. On July 22 2013 10:00 austinmcc wrote: My apologies. Pretty please explain that sentence and your vote. On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:39 TanGeng wrote: HOPEFULLY JJD shows up for discussion after sleeping. On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 10:46 TanGeng wrote: Really austinmc. What do I say about 5T's omission of my name or what ever else TAA said!? Interesting, you left me off your lists? Interesting? What would be so interesting about it? From my point of view, as vanilla town, it's just stupid and I called out both 5T and Tofu for it. On July 22 2013 10:50 austinmcc wrote: Wut? It's interesting that he made a lurker list, and, assuming marv has been doing the posting, has basically ONLY made the lurker list and contributed little else, yet left you off of it. 48 hours to make a lurker list in a mini and he leaves a dude off. Just interesting for now. You say it's stupid. Anything else? Do you think it's alignment-indicative at all? But more importantly: On July 22 2013 10:40 austinmcc wrote: What do you want him to discuss? Are you suspicious of his posts or just timing? How is your vote pressure? On July 22 2013 11:03 TanGeng wrote: Looking at the post timing, it wasn't that bad of any omission at the time. I don't see it as alignment indicative. On July 22 2013 11:06 austinmcc wrote: Okay. So can we actually get to JJD now? You wanted to vote him so that he'd come in and discuss, because he's been pretty absent. But you've been absent, and you've mentioned that, and then you're repeatedly not discussing the JJD read/vote. Is there specific discussion you want from him? Is the convenient timing on the entrance and then leaving a scummy convenience (I think timing CAN be scummy, but it's not always. Feel free to disagree with that if you think all/no convenient timing is scummy)? If you were reading/sheeping geript, do you like JJD for scum more than TAA? On July 22 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote: Seriously, i'm interested here. You made that post, you made that vote, I'm trying to figure out why. On July 22 2013 11:32 TanGeng wrote: I like JJD more for scum than TAA. I feel that the worst post for TAA is this one here: It's a first post so it could be telling or it could just be fluff. The other posts do throw some shit around but bring me back to my sentiment about this game. We're doomed with how many inactives there are currently. So as town, we do have to throw some shit around and watch for what the reactions are from the active players. Then we can come up with a plan or something like that and pose a challenge for scum. On July 22 2013 11:35 austinmcc wrote: As best as I can tell, TAA was calling FirmTofu kind of scummy or useless in that post. You disagree with the assessment and think TAA is just making a fluff post? Also, you like JJD for scum. But you voted him in hopes he gets in here and discusses stuff. What do you want him to discuss? What in particular did JJD do that's scummy? The convenient entry/exit? Something more? On July 22 2013 11:47 austinmcc wrote: I don't even care anymore. I will give you my firstborn child if you will just answer questions about JJD. You are here. You are answering all these other things. I will stop asking them. I will give you like...my first THREE kids. I will actually force someone to go through 27 months of labor and 3 deliveries just so that I can take the children and ship them to you if you will just talk about JJD and why he's scummy and what you want him to discuss. There's what I'm talking about. Big bolded bits are me asking you what discussion you wanted, why you were voting, whether it bothered you that getmoript, the hydra you read and whose suspicions you were voting off of, had unvoted, etc. etc. etc. You talked about TAA. You talked about why TAA was also somewhat scummy. You talked about being left off of lists. About inactives. But dear sweet jesus you REFUSED to discuss your actual vote, what you wanted JJD to discuss, etc. etc. No, you don't get to pull this bullshit on me austin. I just browsed some of those posts, and they are you describing what Tangeng posted and saying they were scummy. Fine. I want to know exactly what posts HAVE to be from a scum mindset. You just post useless blurb all over the place. 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On July 24 2013 06:31 JarJarDrinks wrote: Can someone explin this sanity thing to me. First time I've heard of it. If you take a normal cop, normally a cop is simply 'sane' - you check a mafia dude and he comes back mafia. Or you can be insane - you check a mafia and he comes back town, check town comes back mafia Or naive - always town Or paranoid - always mafia. | ||
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On July 24 2013 06:29 FiveTouch wrote: I'm way less sure about this than VE tbh. getmoript, do you have anything with sanity, or do you know you're sane? ~marv I want this answered before I proceed. ~marv | ||
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austin, you basically failed to do what I asked you, which is tell me exactly why they have to be from mafia and not from town, despite the fact *I* asked that twice. But ya know, you keep on with whatever it is you're doing. I'll review Tangeng more later. ~marv ##Unvote ##Vote: TAA | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:00 marvellosity wrote: It's like getmoript said. Go look at TAA's reaction, and tell me that's not a direct mafiaclaim? ~marv | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:22 getmoript wrote: Ok I'm with you... What in the actual fuck? This pretty much sums it up for me. -VE | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:25 getmoript wrote: @Marv/VE What do you think of Tofu's mysterious scum read on TAA after being "null" on him for D1. Guess I'll just wait for his posts on it tbf ~marv | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:25 austinmcc wrote: I would never ever ever ever check myself even if I was explicitly told I didn't know sanity. I dunno, it's just not how I would try to puzzle that one out. I would focus on getting checks first, then figuring out whether they were trustworthy second, based on either flips or always getting red or whatever. I can understand wanting to confirm sanity, it's just an odd choice from my point of view, because I would value MOAR CHECKS over sanity, whereas you are saying you valued sanity over checks. This is an interesting perspective. PLEASE remind me about it if we're both alive Day 3. ~marv | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:27 getmoript wrote: Seems non-towny, but I don't think it makes him scum. Like the amount of time to process reasoning to fake claim there as scum is inordinate to me. Looks instinctive. I'd guess town but I think Cora's fakeclaimed before in NMM37 OH MY GOD I'M DROWNING IN SYRUP | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm more interested in lynching the red check. But that's just me. -VE qff | ||
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On July 24 2013 13:24 austinmcc wrote: Honestly, this reminds me of times where someone reacts INCREDIBLY WEIRD/WRONG to a claim, and then ends up being town but we killify them because ... nobody can understand what they were going on about. There was a game where mattchew claimed self-aware miller on D1 when millers weren't self-aware. He got lynched, flipped scum. Someone spent a long time either arguing that he wasn't definitely scum or ... something else, calling other people out, not understanding why fake claiming a thing that didn't exist was just a 100% scum tell. It was such a huge distraction and he was so adamant that he was right that I ended up vigging him N1 because I could not believe he was town. Turns out, he was town. We were all scummy on him because he made no sense regarding a claim, but it doesn't make sense to make no sense as mafia when confronted with a claim. It's just not the way to go about trying to save a scumbuddy. So right now I'm unsure, will look over his filter a couple times tomorrow and wait for this flip. yes: On July 24 2013 08:16 FiveTouch wrote: You might just be town for this incredible weirdness, Firm. If TAA somehow flips town, you look pretty terrible though. ~marv On July 24 2013 08:17 FiveTouch wrote: getmoript: I don't really get why a scummer would fight against a redcheck the whole town is going to be voting for, that's the thing. ~marv On the claim: On July 24 2013 09:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Hi guys since im prolly not gonna see the light of another day im gonna tell my role and such. I am the roleblocker! I blocked the role of TG night 1 because he barely escaped the lynch and i assumed he was scum. Because of this i also made the following post: i didnt want people to draw huge conclusions from the TG RB since i simply RBed him because he was considered most likely to be scum. Its kinda late to do damage control and such but w/e. On July 24 2013 06:16 TheAwesomeAll wrote: Its funny 5touch is defending TG again. I have a scum read on neither but gotta keep an eye on things like that. Nothing more to say on that one. On July 24 2013 12:15 cDgCorazon wrote: Ok this is really stupid...a town RB, 2 invest, and a vigilante. Someone is lying. ##Unvote I'm going either Getmoript or TAA. Are you off your face on meth? ~marv | ||
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On July 24 2013 18:52 Onegu wrote: Can someone tell me why cora is scum? His claim actions were a bit odd and why he checked himself and his reads are way off, but Im not seeing scum... "Here's a bunch of reasons he could be mafia, but I'm not seeing how he could be mafia. Guise???" | ||
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On July 24 2013 18:58 Onegu wrote: So Jkirby isnt looking to good either. His filter is a bunch off fluff and tunneling oats. At one point he says he has a slight scum read on TAA and Rayne, then the next post is checked thier filters and they arent scummy. He has been lurking alot although he does claim irl things. But I just get the feeling the scum team is a bunch of lurkers this game. I agree with this post. On July 24 2013 18:59 Onegu wrote: Yeah but I dont see any of that comeing from scum, he just looks confused to me. You might be right. VE thinks you're wrong, and I'm all up in the air. I'm not thinking about it too much right now and hoping some clarity comes to me at a later time ;p ~marv | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:12 cDgCorazon wrote: Cause I figured I could catch up to the game. But I can't. And now none of my opinions matter because I've already claimed and you are all going to vote for me if TAA flips scum so... The game really hasn't had that much going on in it. If you've read the pages, you've caught up. Nor are you even close to an auto-lynch next if TAA flips mafia? Stop being such a give-up goose. Seriously, in the last few months I've come under regular and repeated pressure in games, and it IS tiring. Really tiring. But whatever spot you're in, if you're town, really isn't that bad. If you're mafia, then feel free to carry on down this road, though. If you're town, stop being lame <3 | ||
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It's a random, stupid throwaway comment that can be ignored, and then it's just one more silly post to ignore. And it doesn't show those things at all. It only shows those things if he's genuinely serious and pursues it, of which there is no evidence. Come on Cora, you're pulling a TAA from Day 1. | ||
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On July 22 2013 02:27 FiveTouch wrote: Definitely ad hominem <3 As you're actually creating content, I'll be nice. It's just that none of the things you list as scummy are actually not scummy in the slightest. 1) If I'd wanted, I could easily have just tunnelled getmoript. Attacking someone and retracting isn't scummy, it's just natural ebb and flow of the game at this stage. 2) No evidence of this, you're just taking a scum point of view and presuming we want to lynch townies. It's just silly. Lurkers absolutely do ruin late game, and it's not scummy to say so. Anyone with a passing familiarity with my games knows my vote usually ends up on the scummiest lurker I can find at the end of day 1. Saying "lynching xyz would be fun" is basically the opposite of scummy, because it's clearly not serious. Unless you genuinely believe we want to actually lynch someone for fun? Do you even think mafia would say that? 3) No real reason this is scummy, townies tend to post more than scum. ~marv | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:37 cDgCorazon wrote: The first thing I noticed yet again is that his filter is only two pages. At this point in the game, everyone should have a decent sized filter. His vote on Oats was such a ridiculous sheep vote. There was literally no new reasoning behind his vote. His N1 consists of speculating about Zeph, and then he just goes back and votes for Oats and disappears. It really looks scummy because he missed the Oats wagon falling apart and now he feels like he has to nonsensically tunnel Oats to maintain credibility. I'd love to hear what he has to say on the 20 pages of thread that has elapsed since he has posted. Eh, does this give you pause for thought about anything?  | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: I thought we pretty much established that scum blocking TG made no sense and had to be town. The fact that there was only one roleblock (unless someone hasn't spoke up) makes it very unlikely that there's a scum roleblocker. Apparently you haven't been reading VE's posts? With the number of blues running around (maybe one is fake, dunno yet) with potentially more hidden away within our ranks, scum not having a roleblocker would be a massive balance issue. Simplest, and most likely correct, explanation is that mafia have a roleblocker and roleblocked Tangeng because they dumb | ||
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Oats/Cora - ermahgerd, stahp! Oats stop swearing at Cora Cora stop telling Oats to start playing the game and other such stuff. We goooood? ^^ ~marv | ||
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On July 25 2013 00:42 austinmcc wrote: In a closed setup with a claimed RB on a guy who almost got lynched and then claimed vt during the night, I don't like this conclusion. When your simplest explanation relies on people being dumb, then it opens up LOTS of possibilities. Maybe scum RBed TG because they're dumb. Maybe someone claimed something dumb because dumb. Relying on "cuz dumb" is dumb. Um, it doesn't rely on dumb, it just doesn't rule out dumb and therefore it is an acceptable explanation. Leans heavily on basic balancing of a game as well. If there's a town roleblocker, a town vigi, 1 (2) town cops, and whatever else, not having a scum roleblocker is... icky, let's say. ~marv | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:00 getmoript wrote: That's exceptionally disappointing. I was hoping that since I correctly used dick move analysis then I would be able to have some awesome combined two heads are better than one moment. Alas. So what do you think of Tofu? It's reasonably niche, because you have to be careful with its application, otherwise you start going wrong. Gotta be strict with it. I think Firm might be town for reasons already given by myself and austin. Not totally convinced, but I think so. Process of elimination is leading me towards kirby being mafia. ~marv | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:08 getmoript wrote: So I have to be strict and firm right? Like you can't go soft on your choice of when to or not to apply it. The litmus test is something like this: if you read what someone has done from a scum perspective (say, WoS talking about what the hosts told him he could and couldn't say in Basterd) and it makes you barf in your mouth a little, it's time for dick move analysis. It really has to stir your loins. I think Firm might be town for reasons already given by myself and austin. Not totally convinced, but I think so. Process of elimination is leading me towards kirby being mafia. ~marv Yah, I could buy it. [/QUOTE] Mm. Quite unsure on number 3 at the moment. Got reasonably ok reasons to think most people are town. Probably not going to think about it too much until I see TAA's flip. ~marv | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:13 austinmcc wrote: And I the same You honestly should look at the cut down post, though. Just the vote and the reads swapping at the end of the day. You see now, more than anything else, I just want to be proven right on this one small point, lol. Tangeng? I promise I will, at a later time. Feel free to poke me about it at various points, I can always tell you to go away. The main reason is that there are things that pull both ways and I could agonise over it and not come to a satisfactory conclusion. One possible way of solving it is, if town is planning to lynch Tangeng, just get everyone to claim if they're town roleblocker. I'm pretty unworried about outing that as a role when there's other more important ones floating about, and it would be genuinely important and useful information to have when deciding whether to lynch him or not. ~marv | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:29 getmoript wrote: But what about me using the hydra thing as proof that I was town and stuff (in LXI)? Wouldn't that disqualify me? Interesting. Interesting. I wish I'd been a fly on the wall for that so I could have an unbiased opinion. You may have a point. You're an enormous dickhead <3 | ||
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On July 25 2013 01:42 austinmcc wrote: I'll pop in and do my duty here and say to shutup about dick move analysis and some other game unless you're ACTUALLY going to apply it to something here. Whole page now of nothing but dick jokes and stuff unrelated to the game. At the very least, keep the dick jokes relevant to this game. In the context of this game, who has the largest dick? Whose dick is riddled with disease? Whose dick do you want to chow down on most? | ||
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Like, we only BARELY have a lynch right now too. Like....come on people. Where are jrkirby and Corazon? -VE | ||
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@Getmoript jrkirby is a fine choice to filter, JJD good too though I think he probably town from memory. I just got done filtering rayn and I'm wrestling with what I think it means for Oats - dude was really intent on bringing attention to Oats before he died. | ||
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On July 25 2013 05:51 cDgCorazon wrote: Jrkirby because my filter and Oats because he's not contributing to town and he's not scumhunting at all. My preoccupation with the roleblock is that he would be a terrible choice for both town and scum RB. Plus the amount of blues that we have don't add up. Someone has to be lying, and I think it's TAA and TG. But Cora, you said you think they're both lying. It doesn't make sense or add up. You need to explain this to me like I'm a small child. googoo gaga | ||
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On July 25 2013 06:01 cDgCorazon wrote: I don't believe TG's claim and therefore do not believe TAA's claim. So I have no clue what you mean by that. Proposition 1: you think TAA is lying and will flip mafia. Therefore your vote is on TAA Result 1: TAA flips mafia. According to what you wrote here, this makes TG a liar too. TAA is lying about roleblocking TG, TG is lying about being roleblocked. Lovely. Proposition 2: jrkirby and Oats are the remaining mafia, not TG. ???? | ||
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On July 25 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote: You guys have said so much stuff and have not followed through on it, I don't believe anything anymore. LOL what does that even mean? | ||
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The fact that jrkirby isn't posting is totally irrefutable, and there's no reason he's town, and I can and have come up with reasons TG is town, as has VE. Not my fault you don't get it as usual. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:12 cDgCorazon wrote: If you think TG is town, why are you voting for TAA? Can you maybe walk me through where you're coming from with this post? Thanks. -VE | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:18 austinmcc wrote: Yeah, you've come up with reasons. But you've done so while explicitly not reading his actual POSTS. You've done so by relying on things like "scum is dumb so they RBed a VT." I'm not used to you making reads on people without actually bothering to read them. I'm not used to you jumping on wagons without actually knowing why the wagon exists. And I'm not used to you speculating about what happened before flips based on "scum was dumb." If nothing else, you're concluding that "scum is dumb and RBed a guy who claimed VT and who almost got lynched" is more likely than "scum decided to RB a scumbuddy to make it look like he was town." I've seen far more uses of scum powers to make scum look better than I have "scum is dumb and RBed a guy who claimed VT." jrkirby and his alignment are irrelevant to those things. Not irrelevant at all, and I can't really be bothered interacting with you anymore, it's just mindnumbing. Sorry dear. ~marv | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:28 austinmcc wrote: Unless you'd like to explain how jrkirby and his alignment affect TG's posts D1 or whether he was RBed, then yes, jrkirby and his alignment are irrelevant to those things. Didn't say game. I actually would tend to agree with cora here, that if TAA is scum then TG is. I find it far more likely that this is "let's use this non-KP power on ourselves to make it look like one of us is town" than "let's use this RB on a VT." One has potential upside. One doesn't. One I have seen in games before (and done, to an extent). One I haven't. You're forgetting that scum would have to claim VT and then decide to roleblock their VT-claim for your theory to make sense. It makes quite a large difference. Because the roleblock simply does not make TG look good because he already claimed VT, thus making the whole plan stupid. | ||
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On July 25 2013 07:34 austinmcc wrote: The other point above is legit. This one is sillypants. It works for everything. Then I can just say "Well there's the additional upside to my side of things that by scum claiming VT then other scum roleblocking the claimed VT marv and others will split TAA and TG up." Yes, the above point is very legit and it's been brought up and you're conveniently leaving it out of your theoretical crap. The only reason scum ever fake a roleblock on scum is to make the person they're "roleblocking" look townie, which in this case is totally negated by the prior VT claim. So the one motivation for doing it on TG in particular is gone. there's nothing left. There's no reason to fake a roleblock on a scumbuddy when it doesn't make that person look good. don't try and equate NOT tying two players together with tying two players together. One leaves options open, one doesn't. | ||
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You think scum faked a roleblock on a scumbuddy who already claimed VT. That would fall pretty heavily under "dumb", but it's what you're basing your argument around. See the problem here? | ||
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On July 25 2013 08:18 getmoript wrote: AFAIK neither were. Jkirby went off early IIRC and TAA was like MIA as much D1 as he's been today. Yeah, if that's the case it's where the whole x-1 theory collapses. And in case Corazon is scum, he was totally not there for obvious replacement reason. | ||
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Possibility 1) TG town. He has no reason to lie about being roleblocked. Possibility 2) TG scum. Maybe they hid a RB under the rayn shot. Maybe they didn't RB at all. But scum wouldn't RB one of their own. He could be lying about RB. To answer your question, if scum ACTUALLY REALLY roleblocked TG, we can assume he's town. Unfortunately we can't know for sure. We know he claimed it and we know that scum wanted us to believe it. -VE | ||
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On July 25 2013 20:30 TanGeng wrote: What part of the scum play, specifically the RB claim, makes it clear that scum intention is in confirming my roleblocked claim? Still not entirely sure what you're asking, I think I'm being dense. What do you think the alternative is to whatever you're asking? Might help me get a grip. ~marv | ||
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On July 25 2013 20:41 TanGeng wrote: When TAA claims RBer, the only one that could be claimed as RB target was me. Is there any other option that looks feasible as a claim target? Correct me if I'm wrong here. So my question is: What makes it scum intention rather than a forced side-effect? What you said sounds right. I'm probably not about to answer your question because i'm just paraphrasing, but if you're mafia obviously mafia want people to believe you were roleblocked, and if you're town they want it to appear like they were mafia hiding a roleblock on one of their own. I can't speak for VE's exact wording but I'm confused because there shouldn't really be too much confusion in the first place ^^ | ||
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On July 25 2013 22:23 Onegu wrote: I dont like a cora shot much, and 5T if that is supposed to scare me sorry, firm defended TAA until it was beyond obv he was scum. And in games I have played with him as town or he obs a game I was town we both had very close to the same scum reads while we are very different this game. That's exactly a good indicator of why he could well be town. TAA was totally doomed, so defending him is a really really stupid thing to do if he's mafia. Do you think Firm is really really stupid? ~marv | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:32 cDgCorazon wrote: Aww that's so sweet of you Marv <3 But really, look deep down inside you and you will realize that I can be town and use my brain at the same time. No no, that's the thing. I know you can be town and use your brain, which is why this game is puzzling. | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:41 cDgCorazon wrote: Well the problem is that you think I'm being brainless (which I cannot deny) and yet you think I am scum. That contradicts your first post. I think you're more likely to make mistakes as mafia, and you've made mistakes this game. It's whether the mistakes are because you're having an off-game, or because you're mafia. | ||
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On July 24 2013 07:52 FirmTofu wrote: I'm not going to make a quoted point-by-point post about cDg because my scumread is not as strong as the other two. His conversation with Oats made me think he was scummy because of how irrational his approach was. I still don't understand why you would check yourself for sanity when it barely tells you anything. You should be checking others, not yourself. You can figure out whether you're sane based on their flips and you get a plethora of useful information. While I think getmoript may be lying about his claim, I think he is more likely to be a VT pushing a strong scum read in TAA. I cannot think of a single good reason why cDg would claim as town given a getmoript claim unless he started to speculate upon roles. That being said, I would much prefer to lynch jrkirby or TG today. I think we should hold of on lynching potential blues unless we are certain that one of them is scum. He's evidently talking about Corazon. I have no idea how you could misconstrue this. | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:48 austinmcc wrote: Hmmmm. I feel like sometimes we've BOTH been right. I might or might not be imagining those? I can't remember an instance. But I'm sure it must have happened. Probably. I wouldn't begrudge you being right in this instance, I just think you're wrong. I think TG's posts are townier than jrkirby's. We'll see. | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:56 austinmcc wrote: Cough. Cough cough. You cool with the vote post and the reads/scumhunting on D1? I'm talking about since. | ||
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On July 25 2013 23:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: Point taken. But like, the town sentiment @ the time was that TAA was getting lynched so it just felt like he was saying that we should lynch elsewhere. But yeah, it does make sense that he was just explaining why he didn't want to vote Corazon. That part of my case doesn't look so good now I admit. I wasn't making a point, I was asking you a question I'd like answered | ||
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On July 26 2013 00:22 JarJarDrinks wrote: NP. OK, so now the real suspicious thing is the fact that TAA actually WASN'T on his scumlist. Like the redcheck and TAAs initial response wasn't enough to convince him but claiming town roleblocker was? And yeah the claim was pretty terrible, but not more terrible than "claiming detective is cheating" At the risk of sounding like a broken record, so suspicious it's quite possibly townie. | ||
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On July 26 2013 00:44 getmoript wrote: @Onegu Will you please shoot JJD? Meta says scum This is really bad. Stop it. | ||
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Because nothing in it makes sense. JarJar seems active enough, which was the main, easiest way to catch him before. Him making mistakes (Corazon/TAA) and especially arguing with me about whether there's a scum roleblocker feel very much like how we crossed swords in...er... Basterd. I lynched him there because a) confidence was low and I was sheeping, and b) He had a terrible theory about gumshoe and WoS being mafia that I simply couldn't believe in. I think JJD is perfectly capable of being really odd as town. He's not confirmed town or anything, but as a potential vigi shot, that's just terrible. Really terrible. | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:06 FirmTofu wrote: Why you shouldn't shoot me: Bolded relevant. Who you should shoot: Tier 1(High Priority): jrkirby, TanGeng Tier 2(Low Priority): JJD, cDg cDg claimed cop. It will be useful to see what he says about his check tomorrow. JJD seems a bit too aggressive to be mafia. He's also tunneling me heavily which seems stupid if you are scum. I think everyone else is town. Whoever wanted to shoot THIS guy needs....to be shot? | ||
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On July 26 2013 01:21 getmoript wrote: take a look at jjd too. adamant I approve of this statement. | ||
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On July 26 2013 02:36 JarJarDrinks wrote: I don't get it. His suggested shots are bad IMO. And I think he threw my name in there because I'm the hot topic at the moment. I think TG is a terrible shot now that we know scum had a RBer. And Jkirby doesn't seem like a great shot to me either TBH. @ least not compared to cDg who is who would probably be my guess for last scum. The only thing that makes me hesitant about cDg is how he's practically daring Onegu to shoot him.That just seems so ballsy for scum to say. Gonna look @ cDg some more. wat | ||
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On July 24 2013 22:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: I dont think scum has a roleblocker. In context, this is JJD saying he doesn't believe scum has a roleblocker. He argues further that it doesn't make sense for scum to RB TG and that the RB was town aligned, right? On July 25 2013 21:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: I would think you'd have expected this regardless. Kill U , RB the vig makes sense. Doesn't matter now I guess. Maybe we have a medic. No real point in arguing this since you're confirmed town now but I don't think anyone would have labled you the "towniest motherfuckers" before your claim. yeah, that's just completely untrue In context, Getmoript was musing about his getting a scum lynched. And JJD's reaction is...to forget that we just lynched a scum roleblocker and posit that the scumteam will RB the vig and kill Getmoript? | ||
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It's just incongruent...I'm trying to figure out if it's a slip-up or what. | ||
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On July 26 2013 05:43 JarJarDrinks wrote: Town isn't gonna be suspicious of a cop that caught scum. And how would scum know exactly who the vig is gonna target? Like if there's evan a small chance he's gonna shoot @ scum, he's getting roleblocked. You'd be surprised at what towns would be suspicious of kid. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7wLWVSp.png) It's actually more amusing to me if he really thinks I'm not going to follow through on this. I really do want him dead, but I'm not mad about it. | ||
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I don't know why you wouldn't just say "I'm going to shoot TG" outright because that's what you're saying with ur tunnel and ur bias. | ||
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I've had fun playing with you. You're not fun playing like this, and you've been doing it as town. I have to assume you do it as scum too. I have absolutely no idea what I think of you in this game because every post you make makes me want to kill you JUST to remove you from the game. | ||
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On July 26 2013 14:04 jrkirby wrote: oats, frankly your activity mostly sucks. On July 26 2013 14:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Oats, you're toxic to town. It's not just your N1 play that is getting you shot, you're not even putting any effort into the game. You're just acting like an asshole and trying to accuse people every which way. It's detrimental to town and it makes you the safest vig shot. To put how you've played into perspective: it's not a complete loss if you get shot by a vigilante who has one bullet and you flip town. These posts are all pretty icky for one reason or another. So sad I can't be around for this deadline. Sigh. | ||
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On July 26 2013 15:27 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah so apparently I'm an alignment cop. And TG returned green. I wonder what the chances are of having 2 sane cops and a vig... Shouldn't they have clarified what result you came back as? | ||
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On July 26 2013 21:46 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yeah IDK what to think about this. Why would a scum cora give different results for his checks? I can't see any scum motivation behind this if it was a lie. The main (only?) scum motivation is if it was an enormous fuck up. Claimed rolecop -> isn't rolecop -> has to change story because he can't tell anyone else's role. That's kinda stretching the boundaries of believability I guess. | ||
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JJD/Cora/Firm have all done immensely confusing things, you've still got Day 1 hanging over you, and austin feels more static than I'd like. Ick. Also the shot confirms Onegu as vigilante, not as town. | ||
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On July 26 2013 22:09 JarJarDrinks wrote: But his check was on TG who's already claimed VT. Unless they're worried about future checks I guess. But that wouldn't really make sense either since as rolecop we're all gonna be suspicious anyway just because he'd be alive. This is a good point, and lends credibility to him being town I guess. He really needs to find out the proper results of his Day 1 check though. | ||
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On July 26 2013 22:40 TanGeng wrote: Was going to run through the flip scenarios for both Corazon and I but those role PMs don't seem to give enough information. Look at the defective/fake results. Is it always defective or just some of the time? It's almost certainly just a fancy way of saying "you are not guaranteed to be sane". So it'll be sane/insane, maybe naive/paranoid as well. | ||
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On July 26 2013 22:50 TanGeng wrote: Damn, I could still be GF. You could be GF, we don't know whether his result on himself returned red or green, if it returned green (and he's town) he could still be naive rather than sane. | ||
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VE's not appeared yet, but my reason for Corazon being town is basically this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420356¤tpage=52#1040 Basically *as soon* as getmoript claimed, Corazon was sceptical of it. Like, within a minute. Normally mafia will actually have to think about doing something like fakeclaiming or counterclaiming, yet Corazon was immediately on top of the claim. Normally that's only possible if you are what you say you are. | ||
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On July 27 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote: 2 mafia out of this rag-tag bunch. Corazon - ridiculous claim + further explanations, host stuff, immediate counterclaim to getmo without thought kirby - I liked his long post yesterday, but I dislike everything else. FT - pretty obvious Firm - arg! Tangeng - recent posts looking much better Jarjar - has stuff pulling both ways. weird roleblocker stuff that VE brought up. getmo stuff. Seems to care? So conflicted i can't even attach green and red to him Onegu - confirmed vigi, not confirmed town. Still seems really dumb claim to make as mafia so we'll bet on town austin - argument with me looks genuine, townpoints. But at the same time is constantly shovelling suspicion on me when it should be really obvious we're town by now. Also TAA defence day 1. Seems unwilling to reevaluate TG read despite the fact TG has produced a lot of content. This is a personal list, not a list for our slot, which I'm sure will be forthcoming in due time. ~marv On July 27 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote: I know this is terribly unhelpful, but I've no idea right now. I need to bounce off VE, he's been pushing you at me for quite a long time but I think we need to look elsewhere for now. | ||
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On July 27 2013 00:39 Onegu wrote: There is just so much filler in jrkirbys posts, day one into day two he just tunnels oats, which is fine as I was scum on oats when I came in day 2, but he is really slow to switch onto TAA. N2 he has his best post in my opinion, which is why I didnt shoot him. He only has 4 pages of filter where him being here since day 1 is really bad. Jarjar's only on 4 pages too? | ||
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On July 27 2013 13:14 Onegu wrote: Has VE posted anything recently? No, I don't think so, which is exceedingly irritating because I'm relying on him picking up the slack for me this weekend - I'm out of action basically until after the lynch today and he's not been very present in our QT. I basically have 30-40 minutes right now to try to give direction to the thread which is not very optimal. I'm hoping VE comes back and owns some face this evening. Gonna read what I've missed. oh, hi Vivax. ~marv | ||
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I'm sticking with Cora town, don't think scum basically counterclaim within a minute of seeing a claim. I'm a pretty reactive, strong-willed mafia player and I have a lot more experience than Cora, and I don't think I'd manage to do it so quickly. It just requires a hell of a lot of thought to weigh up the pros and cons that I don't think happens in a minute. Going to say TG town for now, the day 1 vote I think means so little (discussed with austin/me/getmo at some point) just because of the deadline + afk players. I know VE believes this too, maybe he can clarify later. Also going to stick with Onegu town, dumb claim was dumb but it's simply so much dumber as mafia Bringing me down to JJD/kirby/austin (vivax). Kinda flipflopping on JJD but I think I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now - this especially may be subject to VE change which leaves me with kirby/austin. If I were going to be here I might explore and push this austin thing more, but I don't have that luxury. Which leaves me with kirby; as I pointed out before, the only thing I like in kirby's filter is his long post (coincidentally when he was looking like he would get shot - could be coincidence, could not. meh). The rest is pretty dodgy, blind tunnel on Oats, calling out Oats for activity (? compare his own), being pretty behind the curve with the claim stuff, blablabla. Gonna put my vote there, also gonna cross my fingers that VE comes and carries today for me in my absence. ##Vote: jrkirby | ||
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1) he's going head to head with getmoript, someone already viewed as significantly more townie than Corazon. Already the chances of winning that battle are pretty small 2) EVEN if he did win that battle, getmoript gets lynched and flips detective. But then that gives away *both* TAA and Corazon. The net of it being that even in the *best case* scenario for Corazon, he's trading 1 townie for 2 mafia. Seems terribly unlikely, no? | ||
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On July 28 2013 04:04 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I gave myself a 12:00 deadline to post this. I've only delayed it this long because I wanted to see where the votes go before my reveal. I was also hoping for the off chance that people would lynch Cora without me having to reveal. I am the Detective! I have the exact same role pm as getmoript. Night 1, I checked TAA. Result: Town Night 2, I checked Cora. Result: Town This should answer a few questions for you. Why did I defend TAA with "weirdness" for so long? Because I got a town check on him. If you have any additional questions, please ask. I'm either a naive cop or a defective cop that gets everything wrong. I'm leaning toward defective. I want to lynch Cora. 3 cops in this town? Highly unlikely. So annoying doing this via phone at a party. I believe this claim because we are also a detective, we have red checks on getmo and Cora. If I were to speculate, I'd say we had 4 cops with a different sanity each. The combination of our and firm's checks means Cora is probably town though Marv | ||
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On July 28 2013 04:22 TanGeng wrote: What do you think of a fake claim by Tofu here? Highly unlikely. I think we have 4 cops. If anyone wants fun, try to split the 4 sanities between the claims | ||
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On July 22 2013 11:22 jrkirby wrote: Ok, I'm on a train back and it has internet. I've got 2 hours of power left, so lets see how much scumhunting I can do in that time. I've read the thread, and I got slight scumreads on rayn and TAA. I'm gonna dive their filters now and see if I was just imagining it. If you want me to look at something in particular, let me know. I kinda skimmed the thread, so I might've missed a bit. Really, sorry, this was a hectic and awesome trip, but I'll be back to normal activity on monday. This post looks genuine, and as far as I can tell he's one of the first to mention TAA on D1...there wasn't heavy sentiment against TAA or anything, so this post leaves me feeling a little townish all things considered.... On July 22 2013 11:52 jrkirby wrote: Well, I read rayn, TAA, and jarjar. Unfortunately, none of them seem extremely scummy on second look. I'm gonna check firmtofu's filter and see if rayn has anything there. God, I'm so bad at seeing scum until the votes come in. ....nevermind. On July 23 2013 04:48 jrkirby wrote: Five, sign your name. Was that VE or marv? I don't know because you didn't tell me. I noticed this at the time, but this is came directly after someone else had requested that we sign our posts...I think it was Cora after replacing in...The thing is, it seems completely pointless. Like, Cora's request was....annoying...but at the very least it seemed earnest and I know that it would actually make a difference for Cora (having played in games with BOTH me and marv, knowing who is posting what would actually mean something specifically to Cora). JRKirby hasn't played with either of myself or marv that I'm aware of, and as a result this request smacks of trying to blend in. On July 25 2013 09:29 jrkirby wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok, I've finally read up on the thread. Sorry guys, it's been a combination of lazy/tired/busy at work, and I don't post unless I've read the entire thread in chronological order. I kinda deserve all these scumreads on me because I've just been afk pretty much all day 2 .A lot has happened during this day, so many blue claims. I'm gonna try to sum up all the claims, and if I've misread one or missed one, you guys be sure to tell me, right? Getmoript has claimed cop, and claim to have gotten the alignment of TheAwesomeAll to be scum. Tangeng has claim VT and claimed that he's been roleblocked. Meanwhile Corazon has claimed that he's rolecop, but was unsure of his sanity and he checked himself (and got back rolecop?). Then TheAwesomeAll claims roleblocker, and claims that he's roleblocked Tangeng. Also somewhere in there Onegu claimed vigilante? Right now most of the town is on TAA because getmoript has a claimed redcheck on him. If this redcheck turns false of course we lynch him next, but at the moment the consensus is to lynch TAA, especially because of his roleblocker claim. (perhaps he was bluefishing or trying to save himself). Seems like the correct choice of action for me is to solidify the lynch on TAA, as he's probably scum, and if he's not, then getmoript is guaranteed scum (with the exception of firmtofu's logic). ##Unvote ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll Honestly I don't like all these blue claims. Why on earth did Corazon claim? And Onegu? Claiming didn't help town at all. I kinda understand getmoript's claim: if you find scum let people know. And TAA I think was trying to avoid a lynch, I personally would only do that at the last minute if I were town (to let people know who you roleblocked). And this is the vote where jrk votes TAA. I think the scummiest statement is bolded. Just something about the way he phrases it as if he should be considered for lynch that day, in spite of it saying in case TAA flips green in context. A subtle way of appealing to fear of mislynch while sprinkling doubt on the DT claim. I'm still trying to make a read on FT's filter. As marv said, there's stuff I like and stuff I don't like. I'll write up another post on what I think, but ultimately I agree with Marv's vote on jrk. | ||
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If Cora is scum, that would make Marv and I paranoid, with a naive FT and a sane Getmo. I can see that as likely, and taken with Cora's claim of being an Investigator rather than Detective.... But if Cora is scum and jrk his partner, why not claim a check on him that could keep him from being the lynch today? :/ I still like jrk for scum. | ||
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On July 28 2013 06:35 Vivax wrote: I posted the part I found iffy about Cora's claim alreadz. I also voted, TG. Kirby does look odd and I found him mainly scummy for his position on the TAA wagon, if he is though, then he has been bussed, which fits into the way the DrH slot played, first push him, find a reason to shoot someone else, then push him again. I don't find DrH's slots' reasons for his read 180s very credible. Your DT checks tell us nothing, DT should have stayed silent until he had a chance to check somebody else he was sure of being town. Now we don't know if he's insane or paranoid. Thing is though, Cora's claim timing was scummy and looked like it was designed to save TAA, again, sub-optimal play for a DT to claim in that situation in any case. He should have kept the role secret and watched how the flip went, and then adjust his scumreads accordingly without using his role as a reason, but meh, doesn't really matter anymore. That leads us to Cora still being alive after his claim, I don't know his checks atm, but I've gotten from the thread that he's supposedly sane?That leads us to the question why scum would leave him alive then. Cause of that, I'd probably not lynch him today and consider him for lynch if he survives another night and depending on the check he returns. Lucky for us, he can't claim RB. As conclusion, I stick to the opinion that we should lynch TG for being alive after D1, I'm suspicious of DrH's behavior during that day, and anyone not wanting to lynch TGis banking on the fact that a flipped scum somehow missed the deadline, and not just that, cause TG's lynch wasn't exactly last minute shit. Question: Who replaced Zephirdd? I didn't like his last post during D1. This post is disgusting. Really disgusting. Why would Cora ever have died before getmoript, the DT with a redcheck and red-lynch? Cora's claim timing was pretty damn townie as I've explained before. Ewwwww Vivax. Eww. | ||
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On July 28 2013 15:16 Onegu wrote: How can you guys not see JrKirby is scum? Wow... this is really horrible. God. This might be the scummiest thing I've seen so far :/ where was this conviction during the lynch?? | ||
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I really think Firm is town actually. I think he's DT. I find a lot of what he says sincere, if wrong. My faith in Onegu has been shaken markedly. He's really done so little. I don't know if I can be calling him scum yet, but I think everyone needs to keep in mind the possibility of a scum vigilante - his claim alone doesn't make him town. Tangeng maybe town? ugh kirby still looks pretty bad. austin/vivax not looking great to me either. JJD looks ok maybe? And holy fuck Vivax has basically not been reading the thread. On July 29 2013 09:30 Vivax wrote: There was a Vanilla Rayn kill in between afaik. On July 29 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote: Oh and Oats. Firstly, rayn was the n1 kill. You would know this if you even had done any basic reading of the thread. Secondly, Oats was shot by the vigilante, how on earth would that be a reason for Corazon to die? | ||
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