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On July 09 2013 20:08 CaucasianAsian wrote: 1 slot remaining? /in yay for more drunk messages. | ||
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I am with Rainbows on the lynching of lurkers. The tl+ game got RUINED because nobody posted. So if you are town, I want you to make around 10 posts a day. Try to make posts that are aggressive and confront people with your thought. Don't be afraid to be wrong. If you are town, please consider doing this to help town and force scum to make posts. | ||
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Koshi: I am still learning on how to play the game properly. I am extremely bad at scumhunting. I get very easily annoyed by people saying that I am scum (I am working on this). I love fluff posts. I hate illogical posts but it seems that illogical does not mean you are scum, however, I am not planning on ever making an illogical post and when I do please call me on it. As you can see, I got a lot of bad qualities that make me look scum all the time. However, I always prove that I am town by trying and hopefully this game I can prove it by actually nailing some scumreads. | ||
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I read the thread once now and my initial (this is without using filters, just reading all the posts) is that H.Sponge build enough town kred to not get lynched day 1 no matter what. I loved his opening post, and I loved his defense on that post. Even if he is scum, he has been very helpful to town, and every town should go and read that opening post. Scum reads are on Umasi and Chroma. Umasi because his entire early posts were just sucking up to H.Sponge, which is just not useful at all, H. Sponge clearly doesn't need to be defended like this. Another thing I dont like about Umasi is him trying to redirect the thread twice for a Superfluous train on a rather useless moment. Superfluous entered the thread with a bad post, but went afk after, which is not a clear scumread. Not enough the get a train going, and make the rest of the day useless. Chroma is currently tunneling so heavily on StiMaDDict. The guy is afk, treat him as an afk bad town till he comes back. It is a good thing to spark some conversation around StiMaDDict, but at this point I feel that Chroma is derailing more than necessarily. It's just tunneling into oblivion. I start filtering now: Reading Chroma his filter I get a serious scum vibe. Post like this: On July 13 2013 11:39 Chromatically wrote: Also just noticed that Sponge hasn't given a single opinion on anyone all game after saying that he wanted people to judge him on his scumhunting, interesting. This is just being a jack-ass, at least it would be if you say things like this in real life. In mafia it is trying to put suspicion onto somebody without saying anything. I haven't crosschecked this message with the referring Sponge message but it feels dirty. What was your intention while typing this down Chromo? @ Chromo, Do you agree that this is a very suspicious post? And explain to me why it is "interesting" that Sponge likes to have interaction on his scumreads while playing this game? Reading Umasi his filter after the Chroma filter makes me want to lynch one of these 2 guys. Umasi and Chroma are either bromancing it up on the stimaddict lynch, or they are both scum. Here is Umasi his game till now: --> Defend Sponge while pushing lynch on Superfluous. --> Argue with Sponge about Chroma while pusing a lynch on StiMaDDict. | ||
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I indeed agree with hzflank that you need to pick up your courage and start playing this game again. Take that martyr vote of yourself and put it on somebody that you believe is scummier than yourself. Keeping that martyr vote on yourself is actually the worst thing that you have done in my eyes, because if you are town, you take a vote away and put it on a possible mafia scapegoat. @Chromatically That was my first impression of this thread. You did some good scumhunting before and you made a good read somewhere, I noted it down but forgot about what it was. I think I dislike the outcome of the Stimaddict pressure more than you actually pushing him. Chroma, what do you feel about Umasi? | ||
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On July 14 2013 02:09 Rainbows wrote: Why are Chrom and Umasi super scummy to you? They just seem to be scumhunting to me, and the only reason you have for them being scum, is you don't like their choice of scum candidates. Super scummy is putting words in my mouth. I don't like that. Somebody asked me to give my 2 scum reads and my 2 town reads. I replied. | ||
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Koshi, what do you think of Super? Super is not putting enough effort into this game, the annoying part is that his posts make that blatantly obvious. I would lynch him over 9-cloud. My policy on 0 posters is that they are mathematically town. Let them get modkilled or replaced, but never lynch. | ||
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That is a really impressing post. I would give you a cookie but I will give you this instead. ##Vote: Superfluous I also like the kirby case but kirby hasn't posted in the last 20 hours. So I am reluctant to put my vote on him. Kirby has proven that he can make big analytical posts or at least is willing to do so. He has proven that he can pick up on 1 scummier sentence in a big convincing pro town post. So I would like to give kirby the chance to do this before I put my vote on him. | ||
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The joking one. I didn't say it was good. I am just saying that he is willing to do so. | ||
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1) Super 2) kirby 3) Gotard 4) no lynch unless everybody really wants Stim. | ||
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Kirby came in this game with a bang, if he isn't going to follow up on this near then end of Day 1. Sure, I completely agree that he looks scummy. The only thing that I dislike at this moment about kirby is that he was very rude towards StiM in 2 posts while the 2 posts before that he was comforting him without any judgement. All of us said: "StiM, please come back IF you are town, or "prove that you are town' but kirby just said "StiM you are town, the others are scum that are annoying you." Which is very humane, but don't tell him he is an idiot twice right after. But I like that he pointed out that first sentence in your opening post. It sparks conversation. Nothing wrong there. Same with the joke analysis. | ||
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I would say that Sponge and Umasi try to work this out and they give us final target? It seems that Chroma made the kirby case and that hzflank made the super case. Me, StiM and all others should FOLLOW lead. | ||
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On July 15 2013 00:21 Chromatically wrote: Why do you think that Kirby needs to price that he's town, but not Super? hzflank his case spreads out over a long period of Super posts and is a case on the playstyle of Super. Not as much nitpicking of sentences in the posts. The kirby case is more looking at the content of his posting. Kinda hard to explain, but you understand what I mean? | ||
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I see that you guys (StiM, Croma) are thinking that I am scum. It's fine by me, we can discuss it later, I am not going to stop posting, I am during Europe times online A LOT, you can keep grilling me. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:25 Chromatically wrote: This is blatantly untrue. Super actually posts scumreads with reasoning. Kirby does not. Well, you refer to his read on hz or Xzavier? Because I don't like those AT ALL. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:30 Chromatically wrote: Tell me your own reasoning, why is Super scum? You too, Koshi, I have no interest in doing so. I am also bored with the fact that we need to keep making our own giant posts to get completely ignored by your tunneling on Kirby. If you don't agree with me that both players look scummy atm but Kirby might be easier to read in Day 2 because he posts more and is more aggressive. Then we don't have much to discuss. If there are 6 votes on Kirby expect me to give the 7th. But for now I believe Super is the best choice. | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:06 StiMaDDict wrote: @hzflank: The deadline is 8:00 PM EDT. That's about 4 hours from now. Its 2 hours from now. Read to vote thread. 0700 KST will be the end. | ||
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On July 13 2013 07:05 Blazinghand wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/y8gzgVXl.jpg) Startide Rising Mini Mafia Day 1 FROM THE JOURNAL OF GILLIAN BASKIN Streaker is limping like a dog on three legs. We took a chancy jump through overdrive yesterday, a step ahead of the Galactics who are chasing us. The one probability coil that had survived the Morgran battle groaned and complained, but finally delivered us here, to the shallow gravity well of a small population-11 dwarf star named Kthsemenee. The Library lists one habitable world in orbit, the planet Kithrup. When I say "habitable," it's with charity. Tom, Hikahi, and I spent hours with the captain, looking for alternatives. In the end, Creideiki decided to bring us here. As a physician, I dread landing on a planet as insidiously dangerous as this one, but Kithrup is a water world, and our mostly-dolphin crew needs water to be able to move about and repair the ship. Kithrup is rich in heavy metals, and should have the raw materials we need. It also has the virtue of being seldom visited. The Library says it's been fallow for a very long time. Maybe the Galactics won't think to look for us here. I said as much to Tom last night, as he and I held hands and watched the planet's disc grow larger in one of the lounge ports. It's a deceptively lovely blue globe, swathed in bands of white clouds. The night side was lit in patches by dimly glowing volcanoes and flickering lightning. I told Tom that I was sure no one would follow us here-pronouncing the prediction confidently, and fooling nobody. Tom smiled and said nothing, humoring my bout of wishful thinking. They'll look here, of course. There were only a few interspatial paths Streaker could have taken without using a transfer point. The only question is, can we get our repairs finished in time, and get away from here before the Galactics come for us? Tom and I had a few hours to ourselves, our first in days. We went back to our cabin and made love. While he sleeps, I'm making this entry. I don't know when I'll have another chance. Captain Creideiki just called. He wants both of us up on the bridge, I suppose so the fins can see us and know their human patrons are nearby. Even a competent dolphin spacer like Creideiki might feel the need from time to time. If only we humans had that psychological refuge. -Startide Rising by David Brin Foolishness as the Last Probability Coil has burnt out! Qatol as the Terragens Council has sent a final psicast! The Galactics are upon you! Welcome to Day 1! This Day ends in ~50 hours at Monday, Jul 15 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 00:00 GMT (+00:00). With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Posted on 0700KST | ||
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Entrance with post that no lynch is an option. 1h20m later Apologizing for being gone, defending his previous post in 8 lines. Mentions he has no reads, but cloud didn't post anythinh 2h20m later apalogising for saying cloud was afk. (in 4 lines) Biggest scumread is HZ, because Umasi is town and HZ commented on Umasi. Mentions NightCat to be town, Xzavier is scum because Xzavier says Super is scum (Remember Umasi was allowed to do so) 11hours later 3rd time sucking up to Umasi. mentions Koshi and Gotard are town. 4h 30min later Super is alarmed that H.Sponge is disagreeing with him. But maybe Sponge is scummy? Super not making a case but he mentions some things. Eventually a couple times apologizing as well. 1h later Super goes to a concert and votes Xzavier. Why the fuck Xzavier? Super his first and second post are about not lynching on the first day and now he starts a vote train. I think because he thinks days take 24hours? Conclusion: This isn't town play. this is surviving. Surviving because he is blue or scum? I say scum because of that last vote. | ||
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If you say not-kirby is scum, Chrom says: "WHY THE FUCK? MAKE A CASE" If you say kirby is scum, Crom says NOTHING Which is bullshit. Look at everybody that says kirby is scum, Chrom is just ignoring them. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:13 Umasi wrote: Koshi, that's useless Of course he ignores them if they say Kirby is scum, he doesn't need to convince them -.- lol? look at any other game. Sheeping is not allowed. My last post in the Nuclear Mafia game is " Guys I will follow you on X because I believe you". The answer that I got "Don't sheep, make your case if you follow". | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:07 Koshi wrote: Superflous timeline Entrance with post that no lynch is an option. 1h20m later Apologizing for being gone, defending his previous post in 8 lines. Mentions he has no reads, but cloud didn't post anythinh 2h20m later apalogising for saying cloud was afk. (in 4 lines) Biggest scumread is HZ, because Umasi is town and HZ commented on Umasi. Mentions NightCat to be town, Xzavier is scum because Xzavier says Super is scum (Remember Umasi was allowed to do so) 11hours later 3rd time sucking up to Umasi. mentions Koshi and Gotard are town. 4h 30min later Super is alarmed that H.Sponge is disagreeing with him. But maybe Sponge is scummy? Super not making a case but he mentions some things. Eventually a couple times apologizing as well. Super goes to a concert and votes Xzavier. Why the fuck Xzavier? Super his first and second post are about not lynching on the first day and now he starts a vote train. I think because he thinks days take 24hours? Conclusion: This isn't town play. this is surviving. Surviving because he is blue or scum? I say scum because of that last vote. Comments on this Chrom? Isn't this exactly what Super did? Read his filter after reading this. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:24 Rainbows wrote: Okay so here's my thing. Kirby is town. His list post and recent activity feels townie. Super might be scum. Lynch him. But I think both might be town here. If I'm right I believe Koshi/Gotard/plus one lurker are scumteam. Id love to explain but again, working atm. Im trying to shoot off what im thinking as we go but it sucks i cant quote here. Will probably be voting super again later. That is a very interesting read. Kudos to you. | ||
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On July 14 2013 04:37 Hurricane Sponge wrote: You still haven't shared any of your scumhunting with us. You're showing massive weakness to relationship / association theory (i.e. your suspicion of hz because he's suspicious of Umasi, your claim that because I agree with some of the views of people who happened to semi-defend you that I must think you're town, etc.) I much prefer people who show up and share their scumreads than people not sharing scumreads (and reasoning for them) at all as I've seen from you so far. The only scumhunting I've seen from you is a weak FoS on hzflank, the reasoning being that he was suspicious of Umasi. I think you can agree this is not particularly compelling. You are full of shit Chrom. Look at this, at this point Hurricane Sponge says that he hasn't shared any scumreads. Are you saying Sponge is bullshitting at this point of t he game? Or what? Super his whole read on Xzavier is this: "Xzavier putted me on top of a scumlist, Xzavier is scum" What else is there? | ||
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On July 13 2013 12:24 Superfluous wrote: As I said I just skimmed over after returning. Cloud 9 was a name I didn't see when comparing the posts I saw to the player list, so I pointed it out. And I have been trying to get something to talk about other than what seem to be mini discussions between certain people. I also don't get why you're attacking me saying "I'm not trying to find scum". In my own post I said that I was going to look it over again and get reads, obviously meaning that I hadn't looked that hard for scum yet. Right now my biggest scum read is HZflank, because I still think Umasi is doing mostly pro town moves yet hz says its scummy. If it pushes to me actually being lynched I think that I'd still feel this way. He also had an early post or two that distracted somewhat from the discussion, which I'm always suspicious of. I'll give nightcat benefit of the doubt. It's a bit weird he showed up once his name came up but eh. I realize thats not really a great reason but seems like we're in semi-similar situations. Xzavier I'm more suspicious of, he didnt have many posts then in his first one he shows up saying he'll consider lynching me. It's really scummy play to lurk then show up ready to lynch imo. PLEASE GIVE ME MORE SUPERFLOUS READS ON XZAVIER Extra below: Xzavier his post + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:19 Xzavier wrote: i know usami has touched on this, but i see voting for No-lynch is like sacrificing a townie or playing russian roullet for zero prize money. its just basically saying "i want to start this game a townie down" it seems silly to me, if somebody comes and gives me an ungodly reason for no-lynching ill hear it. but i see it as silly. Also from playing with usami before, hes a super fucking hyper aggressive person who needs like a single post to tunnel somebody for a full day, that can be bad. we need to keep our eyes open and looking at multiple people. As i learned my first game, a tunnel vision day1 can lead to a mislynch, or in this gametype, a no-lynch. Its far better to lynch scum, and thats what we should try to do. Even day1 we lynch either a lurker or our top scumread, if nobody has any strong scumreads, lynching the scummiest lurker is the best townplay day1. (it yields the highest chance of killing scum while creating the best pro-town enviroment) with that im also shocked of how active stim-addict is being. its nice to see a usual lurker picking it up leaving less for the scum to hide behind :D again, even Superfluous is at the top of my scumdar, he isnt high enough to deserve a vote yet. I want to lynch a lurker or superfluous depending on how he reacts to our posts and the events of the day. if the rest of it goes uneventful/no major scumslips i want to fuck up a lurker as i believe that to be the best pro-town action. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote: Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer. On July 14 2013 04:51 Superfluous wrote: I'm pointing out Sponge as a possibility as he has seemed to be clear from suspicion after jrkirby's early pressure. Xzavier is my biggest scum read atm for the reasons listed. I have a gut feeling and really have not liked the tone in his posts. Look at ALL THE REASONS SUPER GIVES. WOOOOWWWWOWWW | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote: You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons. I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found: 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him JEEZ THIS IS SCUMMY 2) Xzav read him as scum SO DID UMASI 3) Xzav hasn't contributed YES HE DID? READ THE ENTIRE XZAV POST WHERE HE ALSO MENTIONS SUPER 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him SHEEPED WHO? UMASI? 5) Gut read CRAZYYYYYYYYY I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts. I capslocked my response. I quoted all 3 posts of Super about Xzavier You were able to find 5 points? I am having a feeling that you are all-in on this Kirby vs Super lynch? Chrom, you are going to look very bad when Super turns red. You realise that? | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote: A Townie realizes it and doesn't care. Mafia would realize it and back off their case. Especially a Day 1 case when it's easy to get away with fuzzy reads and FoS. I agree. That's why I say that it feels like he is going all in right now. Remember there is only 3 scum. 1 down now would be VERY bad. Sponge please read the Super log. Or read the 3 Super posts that I quoted I bolded the parts that Super talks about Xzavier. It's everything. I even quoted your posts ssaying that Super had done nothing till that point. Super did NO READ on xzavier and voted him. While Super his policy is that not voting is ok for day 1. Come on. COME ON. | ||
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1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him 2) Xzav read him as scum 3) Xzav hasn't contributed 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him 5) Gut read I am laughing so hard when I read these reasons after reading the super log over and over. | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:31 Superfluous wrote: Koshi why are you pushing SO HARD on Chrom for thinking I'm town? he keeps listing his reasons, which you can agree or disagree with, but what you're doing isn't good for town at all. You're just causing divisions and not even asking me much of anything, who's the person that is supposedly mafia in your eyes. You haven't listed any arguments that have convinced Chrom. You even quoted my posts and bolded what you thought were reasons but skipped some reasons as well. Just because I don't make huge-walls of text doesn't mean I didn't list legitimate reasons. For instance you skipped bolding . At this point gut feelings play a major role in reads. Dude, you are scummy like hell. Divisions aren't bad. At this point it is you or kirby. Town can be divided today on this lynch and be best friends tomorrow. First I thought both you and Kirby were scummy, but I was willing to give Kirby a chance to redeem himself. You could have redeemed yourself as well but it would have been without me helping you. If you would have been doing the shit that Chroma is doing for you, than I wouldn't feel so strongly against you atm. But the fact is that you cant, you are afraid to defend yourself, you can only defend yourself by saying you are sorry. Unlike kirby who actually is defending himself on a decent way. But this Chrom character is something completely different. How can he feel so strongly about kirby. I was willing to vote Kirby, but chrom his defense made me WANT TO LYNCH you. Because it is unnatural how much Chrom cares about you. I am NEVER DEFENDING Kirby, I only said he could redeem himself. But look at Chrom. He is doing your defense. I think he must love you. I don't see any reason why Chrom keeps defending you so strongly, at this point he is more defending you than pushing his case against Kirby. Super, don't you think that your case against Xzavier was incredible weak at the moment that you voted for him? | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:43 Chromatically wrote: I would consolidate if it is literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. THIS IS BULLSHIT TOWN WE ARE GOING TO GET SO MUCH INFO WHEN WE LYNCH THERE ARE ONLY 3 FUCKING SCUMS. A MISSLYNCH IS NOT BAD. ARE YOU PEOPLE KIDDING ME? WE ALL AGREED THAT LYNCHING WAS GOOD. AND NOW CHROM WANTS TO PROTECT SUPER SO MADLY THAT A NO LYNHC IS OK? WE AGREE THAT THEY BOTH LOOK SCUM. FUCK THIS | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:41 Superfluous wrote: Town: Chroma Umasi Hurricane (mostly because I really like this post) I did have that post calling you out earlier but you havent done anything similar since. Stimaddict (bad play revealing role but w/e) Jrkirby, though now I would lynch him to save myself seeing as its definitely coming to that. Maf: Xzavier Koshi Insert Lurker here Hzflank (weakest tho) I'll point out again how hard koshi is going on me and in some ways trying to distract from jkirby/discredit chroma. If Either of them flip maf I'd be suspicious of the other, though the same could be said of me and chroma I suppose. Sure I am scum because I am spamming like a retard to lynch you. READ my nuclear game people COME ON. I don't play like this at all. But I want this lynch to happen. We need the info. | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:47 Chromatically wrote: I realize that reading comprehension is hard, why don't you take another look. Ok I am very sorry. jeezus. | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:50 Superfluous wrote: ALSO IMPORTANT NOTE If there is a cop, I feel an obligation to point out that it is more important to check active people who are pushing hard than it is to check lurkers. It is generally a better policy to lynch lurkers and check actives than to lynch actives and and check lurkers. Also, the Mafia WANT people who are difficult to read in the end game to cause confusion amongst the town, and having a cop check on these people can win the game for town. It is also dangerous if someone like Umasi or Chroma are mafia and go unchecked, because they are controlling the conversation and pushing hard on people. That is random advice. It is good advice though, but it is very random. | ||
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How do you dare to call me and Xzavier scum? Except for saying that you are scum. How the you dare to add a lurker there. Is that another famous gut reading or maths? | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:55 Chromatically wrote: Wow, look at all the scum resistance to this Super lynch. wow look at all the tunneling to protect Super. | ||
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I realize fluff is fluff but maybe we want this to happen? | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:08 Rainbows wrote: If either kirby or super is blue plz claim NO. NO. NO. We want a Super claim. NOT A KIRBY CLAIM WTF? | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:14 Superfluous wrote: That post is so scummy/ baiting. I've clearly demonstrated a basic knowledge of mafia and it goes without saying I would claim if needed/true. Suggesting I role claim gains nothing. Plus, if you thought there was a possibility I was blue, why the fuck would you push for my lynch? Clearly you believe it's a possibility because you suggest it about me but didn't when jkirby was at 6 votes. I actually didn't know kirby was leading atm. I don't understand how this change happened but it happened. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:15 hzflank wrote: I don't want scum to know that anyone is blue. If someone is blue then that is their business. If they every choose to claim then that is their business. We have not even had any night actions take place yet, so there is no way to prove the claims anyway. We should not be asking anyone to claim. Why did you want Super to claim, but not Kirby? Why one person but not another? I thought super was on 7 votes. Didn't see the change. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:19 Umasi wrote: feels like martyring. talk TALK YOUR ASS OFF THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS OUT, YOU COULD DIE WHY ARE YOU NOT TALKING YOUR ASS OFF /singed Stop being a martyr kirby. Keep fucking talking and let us know why you are town. Find new shit somewhere. Prove why we want you to stick around. Because you are going to die if votes don't change. Chrom has a stronger position than me and hz combined so... | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:21 Nightcat99 wrote: and i disagree with the role claim because if they are going to die theres no reason for the scum to know we are missing a blue or if there are enough scum vote to save them last sec and switch to someone else that would be worst, cause now they can get 2 people If you die your role is exposed. | ||
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Solid read. This is why we can use kirby over Super. (bolded below) + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 07:22 jrkirby wrote: Yeah, if super flips scum, which I hope, I'd be really suspicious of chrom. But I don't think you should vote him if I die tonight. Chrom: If I died tonight and flip town, who would you want next? If I hypothetically flipped scum, what then? Anyone else who wants to answer these questions would be appreciated, But I'd specifically like it from chrom, because he's been pushing my lynch the hardest. Kirby defends himself below, he is not afraid to call out people. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 02:42 jrkirby wrote: Oh, that was the question. Woops. Rainbows & Umasi: I didn't like the way they were hunting stim and arguing over semantics. It's a really weak scumtell, and I had a really weak scumread. What else can you do that early in the game? I only really mentioned it because I was specifically asked, if I recall. I'm still suspicious of sponge for the way he reacted to that "unposted" writing drama. I think he's the next filter I'll dive. Also, I looked through rainbow's filter, and after that early stim back and forth, miscommunicating stuff, he seems to have a clearer townish filter. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote: It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks. My current view on Hurricane: I think hes scum, but a very bad day one lynch. Reasoning: 1) He claims he wanted stim to act all angry. I personally disagree, and I think angry players are as bad for town as lurkers. 2) He votes against me, the only person really putting any pressure on him at all. This is only after I already have two votes, as well. 3) His refusal to post something about this mafia game that I asked him to. I don't think he'd make a good day one lynch, because he's a logical rational player who writes well. If I am wrong about him, he'd make a good ally on the town team. I want you to read his case on Gotard. Then read all the "cases" superflous made. Then I want you to read the response of Kirby to Godart. This is good stuff. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 03:37 jrkirby wrote: These are just excuses. Read filters, hunt scum. Don't look for where the votes are, reiterate what everyone else has said, and then vote the same way. below more good stuff from kirby. Even if you don't agree with him, it is better than anything I read from Super + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 02:36 jrkirby wrote: What? Pressuring someone with no reason at the beginning of day 1 is scum? Why? It only gets town more information. If done properly (maybe better than I can do it) on a poor player (maybe a player worse than Sponge) who is actually just so happens to be scum, then you'll be able to get a very good scumread. Just because I wasn't successful with flying colors doesn't mean that a) we didn't get any information, or b) it was scummy. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 02:25 jrkirby wrote: Xzavier also looks scummy to me. While he hasn't voted yet, he did say: Soon after it's clear we both have a BW on us. Pretty much sheeping to me. And it's only a couple hours for the deadline, so I wouldn't be surprised if he BW's someone without much discussion or reason. Also most of his posts have been about his schedule, instead of about the game. If THAT isn't fluff, what is? Then lastly. Kirby said 2 times he is very good at seeing voting patterns, he says that this is his best skillset. What is Superflous his best skillset? Giving random Cop facts? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank Read Kirby his filter. If you want to safe 1 of these 2 guys? It must be kirby. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:41 hzflank wrote: People should not think about what happens if someone flips scum. If someone flips scum then that is a win, plain and simple. Considering what happens if someone flips town hold more weight, although with 13 people still in the game even that is WIFOM. I suggest just asking yourselves: Of all the players we could possibly hope to lynch today, who is the most likely to flip scum? We dont know who is the better target between super and kirby (we agree on this right?) Who will be more useful to us in Day 2? That is the next question. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:36 Koshi wrote: Is kirby worth saving? Solid read. This is why we can use kirby over Super. (bolded below) + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 07:22 jrkirby wrote: Yeah, if super flips scum, which I hope, I'd be really suspicious of chrom. But I don't think you should vote him if I die tonight. Chrom: If I died tonight and flip town, who would you want next? If I hypothetically flipped scum, what then? Anyone else who wants to answer these questions would be appreciated, But I'd specifically like it from chrom, because he's been pushing my lynch the hardest. Kirby defends himself below, he is not afraid to call out people. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 02:42 jrkirby wrote: Oh, that was the question. Woops. Rainbows & Umasi: I didn't like the way they were hunting stim and arguing over semantics. It's a really weak scumtell, and I had a really weak scumread. What else can you do that early in the game? I only really mentioned it because I was specifically asked, if I recall. I'm still suspicious of sponge for the way he reacted to that "unposted" writing drama. I think he's the next filter I'll dive. Also, I looked through rainbow's filter, and after that early stim back and forth, miscommunicating stuff, he seems to have a clearer townish filter. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote: It actually might have been a good idea for me to put a pressure vote on him. I'm not the greatest player, but that sounds like that would've been a good idea. Too bad I didn't think of that earlier. I didn't keep pressuring him because I didn't have anything to pressure him on. I guess I should've asked for others' reads on him too. This is all good advice, wish I had thought of it earlier myself. Thanks. My current view on Hurricane: I think hes scum, but a very bad day one lynch. Reasoning: 1) He claims he wanted stim to act all angry. I personally disagree, and I think angry players are as bad for town as lurkers. 2) He votes against me, the only person really putting any pressure on him at all. This is only after I already have two votes, as well. 3) His refusal to post something about this mafia game that I asked him to. I don't think he'd make a good day one lynch, because he's a logical rational player who writes well. If I am wrong about him, he'd make a good ally on the town team. I want you to read his case on Gotard. Then read all the "cases" superflous made. Then I want you to read the response of Kirby to Godart. This is good stuff. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 03:37 jrkirby wrote: These are just excuses. Read filters, hunt scum. Don't look for where the votes are, reiterate what everyone else has said, and then vote the same way. below more good stuff from kirby. Even if you don't agree with him, it is better than anything I read from Super + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 02:36 jrkirby wrote: What? Pressuring someone with no reason at the beginning of day 1 is scum? Why? It only gets town more information. If done properly (maybe better than I can do it) on a poor player (maybe a player worse than Sponge) who is actually just so happens to be scum, then you'll be able to get a very good scumread. Just because I wasn't successful with flying colors doesn't mean that a) we didn't get any information, or b) it was scummy. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 02:25 jrkirby wrote: Xzavier also looks scummy to me. While he hasn't voted yet, he did say: Soon after it's clear we both have a BW on us. Pretty much sheeping to me. And it's only a couple hours for the deadline, so I wouldn't be surprised if he BW's someone without much discussion or reason. Also most of his posts have been about his schedule, instead of about the game. If THAT isn't fluff, what is? Then lastly. Kirby said 2 times he is very good at seeing voting patterns, he says that this is his best skillset. What is Superflous his best skillset? Giving random Cop facts? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank Read Kirby his filter. If you want to safe 1 of these 2 guys? It must be kirby. This means nothing guys? | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:45 Hurricane Sponge wrote: By this logic, he is protecting Kirby, no? Making both scum? Why the rush to lynch Koshi over Kirby? Only Chrom is allowed to save people. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:51 jrkirby wrote: WTF koshi? I mean, I'm kinda flattered, but that's just stupid. It is not about you. It is about this unholy defense of Chrom. I ignored it a bit in the start and made some silly posts maybe. But after reading your log and Super log multiple times. I can't understand this shit. | ||
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You actually defended yourself. Super did NOTHING. Why would we kill you? Aren't you more useful than super. Both were at a point scummy, but now, you are getting killed more because of me than because super. Super made bad posts in the last hour. You didn't. What is this? | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:55 StiMaDDict wrote: DO NOT SWITCH. TOO MUCH RISKY OF MISCOMMUNICATION. VOTE JKIRBY AND KEEP QUESTIONING KOSHI. I stole my brother's phone btw. THIS IS SO FUCKING WRONG. SUDDENLY YOU ARE HERE? WTF. | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:56 Umasi wrote: STIM, THE VOICE OF THE ANGELS KIRBY IT FUCKING IS WHAM BAM SLAM DONT LISTEN TO HURRICANE. PLEASE UMASI | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:56 Umasi wrote: STIM, THE VOICE OF THE ANGELS KIRBY IT FUCKING IS WHAM BAM SLAM DONT !!!! LISTEN TO HURRICANE. PLEASE UMAS Fuck punctuation. | ||
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But it's all good. Thanks for a good night. Hopefully hosts post on time. It is 2AM I want to go to bed :D | ||
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On July 15 2013 08:59 Umasi wrote: KIRBY WHY DID YOU NOT POST EARLIER FUCK DAMMIT SHIT TOO LATE NOW STAY THE COURSE IF YOU COULDN'T SEE THAT HE WAS USEFUL THE ENTIRE FUCKING GAME I QUESTION YOUR SANITY | ||
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On July 15 2013 09:11 Umasi wrote: why didn't he post that like constantly also ALAKASLAM, ONEGU, IMPRESS ME Come on dude. He was posting shit like that all the time. I really don't understand why you are not reading Kirby filter and Super filter. Because it was getting so obvious. | ||
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On July 15 2013 09:14 Umasi wrote: And also, how good of a target is Super to you, Chrom? Chrom is becoming the target and not Super. I hope I have time to make a good case in the next 24hours. Because the defense of Chrom was UNHOLY. Even if Super flips town, the reasoning of Chrom was getting out of control. At this point I feel If super is scum than 100% Chrom is scum. If super is town, 50% Chrom is scum. Reasoning --> That defense, he must have known Super was town, because that defense made 0 sense. I am not talking about kirby here. I am talking 100% Chrom putting his neck out for a guy that was not better than kirby. | ||
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On July 15 2013 09:16 Chromatically wrote: ahhhhhhhhhh The case on Kirby was better than the one on Super, Kirby only looked town for the last ~10 minutes. I'll stand by that. One of Super or Koshi is scum. Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. I'll also look at Nightcat because he didn't care about who was lynched at all. 10 minutes? And that wasn't enough to switch. Ohhhh boy. Bullshit here it is. | ||
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On July 15 2013 09:16 Chromatically wrote: ahhhhhhhhhh The case on Kirby was better than the one on Super, Kirby only looked town for the last ~10 minutes. I'll stand by that. One of Super or Koshi is scum. Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. I'll also look at Nightcat because he didn't care about who was lynched at all. last ~10 minutes I am pretty sure you didn't say this in the last 10 minutes. Hurricane wanted to switch 5 minutes before. One of Super or Koshi is scum. What THE FUCK. Can someone explain this to me? defense of Kirby with little reasoning Do I have to quote the 10 times that I said that Kirby was capable to redeem himself. Do I have to quote the entire post I made that Kirby is a better town than Super? it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. Right back at you. I kinda love the fact that we made this conclusion at the same time. Look at how sexy we are. | ||
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There was no interaction between Super and Kirby. Super should not have become more or less suspicious by the death of Kirby. Why is Super scummy? | ||
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On July 15 2013 09:42 Chromatically wrote: I haven't even read his filter, I'm just considering the possibility because he was the opposite wagon on a town lynch. You are smarter than that. YOU WERE the one that put them on the opposite wagon. You are making 0 sense in your last 3 posts. I want to keep going. Can you stay and talk? Just tell me. You must have something in your head. You gave me 5 reasons why super was good at scumreading. You must have read super his filter mutliple times. Tell me why Super or I am scum. Why did you post that? | ||
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On July 15 2013 09:49 Chromatically wrote: Why am I "smarter than that"? Weren't you just calling me "full of shit" a short bit ago? I actually think you are pretty smart. I was just screaming and kicking in the lynch so that I could get a good read on you and other people. Imagine how boring that last lynch would have been without the two of us. But I am currently having serious scum vibes coming from you. I am pretty sure that I am partially the reason why Kirby died. I played my role as lunatic in the start and people stopped listening to me. I tried to be more serious at the end of the lynch with my "Why Kirby is a better save than Super" but it was too late. But anyway, the only reason why I stopped being the lunatic is because I am 100% certain that your defense of Super is unholy. I hope that people will see the same reasoning. Also, with the green flip of kirby I should NEVER be seen as scum. Or I am that retard that wants to go 2 versus 11 with a bit of townkred from the Day 1 scum lynch. | ||
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These 3 posts after the modpost are really scummy. I think I should sleep now. You want to ask me something? | ||
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On July 15 2013 09:55 Koshi wrote: I actually think you are pretty smart. I was just screaming and kicking in the lynch so that I could get a good read on you and other people. Imagine how boring that last lynch would have been without the two of us. But I am currently having serious scum vibes coming from you. I am pretty sure that I am partially the reason why Kirby died. I played my role as lunatic in the start and people stopped listening to me. I tried to be more serious at the end of the lynch with my "Why Kirby is a better save than Super" but it was too late. But anyway, the only reason why I stopped being the lunatic is because I am 100% certain that your defense of Super is unholy. I hope that people will see the same reasoning. Also, with the green flip of kirby I should NEVER be seen as scum. Or I am that retard that wants to go 2 versus 11 with a bit of townkred from the Day 1 scum lynch. Actually this is a really bad assumption on my part. Partly because you are saying me or super are scum. You are saying somewhere that I am getting townkred for defending a townie so hard, but against another townie of course. But read my why is Kirby is a better safe than Super I have been saying things like that from the start. I should have made that post earlier and that was my mistake. Anyway I am off to bed. Its 3 am. This was fucking fun! | ||
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On July 15 2013 10:33 Alakaslam wrote: Please answer this quickly anyone who is active and knows Yes. This was Day 1 lynch. We are all crazy. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:25 Chromatically wrote: This is blatantly untrue. Super actually posts scumreads with reasoning. Kirby does not. This one is also very interesting. You should look how Chrom 100% ignores the case Kirby made on Godart. This is when I got red light going off in my head. | ||
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On July 15 2013 10:56 Xzavier wrote: what in the living fuck is this??? your not confirmed town until your dead, scum might make a day1 bus plan JUST because people like you would think that, NEVER is a word that loses games in mafia, only the dead are confirmed. even with his green flip i fail to see where you get town cred? defending town makes you look a little better, but since scum can defend town too, it makes it pretty WIFOMy, everybody defends town and scum alike on accident occasionally, but its all WIFOM because there is no way to know for sure, so yes you gained an ants fart of town cred for defending him. you certainly are still on my list of candidates for day2 lynch, dont kid yourself. Yeah yeah it was a bit sentence. I agree. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 03:25 Chromatically wrote: This is blatantly untrue. Super actually posts scumreads with reasoning. Kirby does not. Chrom defending super. MAJOR RED LIGHTS going off in my head. You can see that I started being really active in this lynch right after this post below. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 05:31 Chromatically wrote: I have to rewrite this because my computer crashed, so I'm just going to c/p the parts that hz wrote (without the quotes from Super). Original case is here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420227¤tpage=28#549 The Super Case This isn't scummy. I've already talked about this at length, but everyone's first priority is to stay alive. If there was suspicion on me, my first priority is to remove it. Ask yourself: what would you do if you walked into the thread and there was a case on you? You'd defend yourself. ? His reason makes sense. He didn't have time to do anything more than skim, so he called out someone he thought was lurking. Not particularly townie, but not at all scummy. This isn't scummy. Bad reads =/= scum, bad townies make bad reads all of the time. You say there's no town motivation, but there's really no scum motivation. Scum know that they won't get a mislynch on you, so they have no reason to scumread you. I didn't really understand what he was saying in that sentence. This isn't scummy. This is bad reasoning. Bad reasoning often comes from bad town. If anything, this is overzealous scumhunting. This, once again, isn't scummy. If I say that I want a scumread to post more, that does NOT mean that I'm planning on replying to them. All it means is that I want them to post their reads and reasoning more often. I'm probably NOT going to reply to them, most of the time, unless I have something in particular to say. I cannot understand why you think this is bad. Once again, bad logic =/= scum. Why would a scum player say that they were just giving reads in self defense? I'll admit that this is a decent point though. So almost all of hz's case is stuff that isn't scummy. When I look at Super's filter, I see someone who's at least trying to find scum and share their reads freely. This is way more than you can say for Kirby. So I am pushing Chrom now. I find his defense unholy and I want to see how far he wants to bring this defense. So I make a timeline that is not favoring superflous. But hey, this is why everybody has the superflous scumvibe. Look how Chrom counters this timeline. Chrom says I leave out all the reads Super makes on Xzavier and Hz + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 06:41 Chromatically wrote: I think it's misrepresenting Super's play to make it sound worse than it is. Now I admit that I don't really know why I was being the caps lock lunatic. But I looked up all the superflous posts that contained "reads" on Xzavier. I suggest you do the same. There are 3(?) total and 2 are quoted in this post. Look at the 5 reasons Chroms shakes out of his head. Read Xzav his log and he didn't do much but he made 1 big post, the post where he putted Superflous on top of his scumlist, but he talked about 3-4 people iirc. This post contained more than Super did, and on a moment Sponge knew this as well. I don't see why he forgot it during the lynch. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote: You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons. I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found: 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him 2) Xzav read him as scum 3) Xzav hasn't contributed 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him 5) Gut read I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts. I want everybody to read super his log and READ what he says about xzavier. Then tell me why Chrom thinks Super is so special? Anyway, Chrom seems to be unaware that I am targetting him at this point. At this point I start to think that Super must be scum on top of the fact that Chrom is defending him without a good case, Chrom doesn't want to play this game with only 2 scums. Come on. How can Chrom blatantly ignore Kirby his case on Godart but find 5(!) reasons in the 2 quoted posts from superflous. + Show Spoiler + On July 15 2013 07:19 Chromatically wrote: Why are you suddenly defending Xzavier? We're discussing Super, not Xzavier. It doesn't even matter if his points are good (even though 3 and 4 are), it just matters that they exist and come from a town POV. Super has 7 posts about Xzav. Here are the two: | ||
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On July 15 2013 11:07 Xzavier wrote: let me specify, thoughts on the interactions of the circle beyond the core three. The circle was something silly. I have no reads there. They did nothing, except made themselves special. | ||
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On July 15 2013 11:38 Umasi wrote: guys, why is chrom scum aside from leading a mislynch. Give me the reads that superflous did on Xzavier. Please. | ||
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On July 15 2013 11:40 Xzavier wrote: but they were all my top townreads, im interested in the people who joined in to sheep. The counsil were considered townreads. It isn't a problem to sheep your townreads when you have a hard time following. | ||
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On July 15 2013 11:43 Umasi wrote: haha we absolutely did nothing but make ourselves special do you think that we were like "oh look at us we're the tribunal so cool?" what is your perception of us, third graders in an inclusive pod? it was just chrom telling us "we are in control of this lynch because we're not tunneling either side two hard, coordinate our votes to avoid a no lynch" aside from your lack of reads on the CIRCLE, what are your reads of Sponge, Rainbows and me? I think Sponge is town, pretty sure. I think Rainbows is town, not as sure. STOP TELLING ME THINGS TO DO and do what I asked you to do for once. | ||
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On July 15 2013 11:49 Alakaslam wrote: Yeah it's only two pages, you don't have to do that to see that his case is weak. Superflous has NO CASE on Xzavier. You agree with that right? | ||
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On July 15 2013 11:51 Umasi wrote: I think he's townier than a lot of people give him credit for, but whatever. my reads are apparently worth jack in the face of mighty Alakaslam. by the way you are literally trying to build post flip cred by saying "oh I think kirby's town. Wait, he's town? WHAT A COINKIDINK!" I have a hard time believing that you'd just enter the thread and be like "huh the games been going on, and I'm in it. That means someone was modkilled, or requested a replacement, which will occur at the end of the day." "huh it must be the middle of the day." I'd assume that the first thing you did was LOOK AT THE RESULT. Can you tell me what you think of the case of super versus Xzavier? Like chrom said ctrl+f in super his posts. | ||
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On July 15 2013 11:52 Alakaslam wrote: Yes... Or very little at least. He may have thought it was a case. HOLY- THAT IS THE PROLEM YOU JUST SAID THE PROBLEM I know that it is very bad that they did that. But in this case it is not a scumread. We were posting like madman, they were overwhelmed and decided to follow the council that consisted out of everybody his townreads. Hz, and I were making cases to save kirby and to lynch super. Chroma was doing the opposite. Counsil decided that this was enough and added jack shit. Eventually they decided on Kirby lynch. | ||
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I am pushing Chroma because I think his defense of Superfluous isn't what an unknown townie would do. I know that Superfluous gave a couple reasons left and right why he thought Xzavier was scum. But it wasn't enough that a townie would trust Superfluous on a level that Chroma did. Superfluous whole case against Xzavier is this: "Inactive Xzavier putted me on top of a scumlist, my gutread here is that Xzavier is scum" Read the Superfluous posts pretty please. Do you agree with me? There wasn't much of a big case Superfluous was making right? If you compare what Superfluous did with what Xzavier did, or what Kirby defense Kirby case did. Is it justified that Chroma was defending Superfluous and ignoring Kirby? This is the question that I want everybody to answer. + Show Spoiler + Superfluous was considered a scumread because his early posts, not only because of his case against Xzavier obviously, but during the lynch I started suspecting Chroma and pushed him hard around the Superfluous vs Xzavier case. I made a post +-2 hours ago that isn't easy to read but there I explained my thought process behind my pushing against Chroma during lynch. I didn't have a clear view on the situation during the lynch, but the core of why I am pushing Chroma is explained in this post. | ||
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On July 15 2013 09:16 Chromatically wrote: ahhhhhhhhhh The case on Kirby was better than the one on Super, Kirby only looked town for the last ~10 minutes. I'll stand by that. One of Super or Koshi is scum. Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. I'll also look at Nightcat because he didn't care about who was lynched at all. @Onegu Can you please comment on this post by Chroma? I don't want you to comment solely on Chroma, but give your own opinion on the different parts of it. 1)One of Super or Koshi is scum a) Multiple times Chroma said Super wasn't scum, kirby flip shouldn't affect this. Your opinion? b) Why is it Super or Koshi? What is the connection between us? 2) Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip. a) Do you agree that superfluou would have been a better lynch over kirby? Why? I think that kirby could have been more useful and easier to read Day 2. | ||
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On July 15 2013 19:22 Onegu wrote: You dont have too you can say you dont want I guess... No I mean, do you have question for me? You are just analysing the bad parts in my log, ignoring some other things. The question is? Are the points that you just summed up me being scum? Or is it just me being me? | ||
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1) In no way there is an association between me and S. Hurricane, however, I did like his posts during D1. 2) A lot of posts that you take out my filter is put out of context, while I agree I was being overdramatical sometimes. ex. Me reading wrong what Chroma said about the no lynch, that was bad of me and I apologized for that. 3) a couple times your interpretation me is wrong or I meant something else. ex. On July 15 2013 04:01 Koshi wrote: Staying alive is not important at all. Vanilla Townies are here to post as much as they can, make as much sense as they can, do as much scumreading as they can. And then die with full glory in the night. I am saying the same thing as you. Vanilla Townies should do their best during day and then die from a KP. ex. Really no reads? You let them have power and told people to sheep them. I have no reads on the interactions between the council and other people. My read on the council members was pro town at that moment. ex. Why do we want this to happen? What good comes from his claim here it is so much worse that he lived and scum would know he was blue. I never said directly at super to reveal his role. I asked the people in the thread if we wanted to know the role. I was interested at the reactions, I made it clear that I didn't want to know kirbys role after Rainbow said that both kirby and super should speak up to reveal their role. I just hate this, when someone asks give your points. I gave my points more than enough on why it was better to save kirby and lynch super. Are you going to tell me that I didn't? I fucking worked my ass off. But I was taunting Chroma there, I agree. But I also said why. Again keep wagons the same, but you are also ok with a no lynch? No lynch was my 4th option? If nobody wanted to other 3 I wasn't willing to discuss a 4th option at that point. Meh. I agree that that is narrowminded. But these 3 options should have been enough. Everybody found Super, Kirby more than scummy enough at the point I said that. I also replied on the question who my top lynch targets where. | ||
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On July 15 2013 19:58 Onegu wrote: Ok I am sorry here you are correct I read to fast. np. I can't say it never happens to me :D | ||
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[QUOTE]On July 15 2013 16:27 Koshi wrote: [QUOTE]On July 15 2013 09:16 Chromatically wrote: ahhhhhhhhhh The case on Kirby was better than the one on Super, Kirby only looked town for the last ~10 minutes. I'll stand by that. One of Super or Koshi is scum. Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip to me. I'll also look at Nightcat because he didn't care about who was lynched at all.[/QUOTE] @Onegu Can you please comment on this post by Chroma? I don't want you to comment solely on Chroma, but give your own opinion on the different parts of it. 1)One of Super or Koshi is scum a) Multiple times Chroma said Super wasn't scum, kirby flip shouldn't affect this. Your opinion? b) Why is it Super or Koshi? What is the connection between us? 2) Koshi's hard defense of Kirby with little reasoning looks like it could be scum trying to get town cred from a town flip. a) Do you agree that superfluou would have been a better lynch over kirby? Why? I think that kirby could have been more useful and easier to read Day 2.[/QUOTE] 1. I dont understand this, its like saying kirby or chrome is scum. It doesnt make sense find reasons for them being scum and then use votes as iceing on the cake. [QUOTE] You got to know that Chroma was defending Super the whole time, I can quote Chroma a couple times where he says Super is NOT scum. Him suddenly typing that either Super or I might be scum because Jirby flipped town is suspicious because it is illogical as hell to go change on Super. You must know that Chroma had been defending Super 6 hours, he read all Super his logs, he thought all super his actions through, and then when kirby flips town Super is suspicious? That doesn't make sense, you don't think like that. Unless you already know that Super is scum and you are creating a distance? Why did Chroma add that it is Super or Koshi? There is no correlation between me and Super. You can not make this assumption. Why is Chroma saying this? Maybe trying to keep the option "Koshi" open and try to save Super after all? There are more posts like this. Where Chroma made suspicious posts that no townie would do. Like seeing that Superfluous made a case against Xzavier. No Townie here saw that. Nobody saw that case like Chroma saw it. I am not willing to also point that out again. But if you want... The difference between my bad play (tunneling on super and kirby) and Chroma his bad play is that Chroma did silly things that no Townie would do. You disagree? | ||
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On July 15 2013 20:09 Onegu wrote: 1. I dont understand this, its like saying kirby or chrome is scum. It doesnt make sense find reasons for them being scum and then use votes as iceing on the cake. 2. I will be biased here because I know the flip already so it is hard for me to answer this. I dont think super is scum. You guys hardly ever went off bandwagon. You let hurricane control this, not saying it is 100% your fault as anyone could have spoken up. I feel it is easier for scum to hide in majority lynch as there wont be 3 bandwagons so when all the votes will be on only 2 people scum has good reasons for being on a bandwagon as it is harder to analyse flips because no one will be off a bandwaggon. You got to know that Chroma was defending Super the whole time, I can quote Chroma a couple times where he says Super is NOT scum. Him suddenly typing that either Super or I might be scum because Jirby flipped town is suspicious because it is illogical as hell to go change on Super. You must know that Chroma had been defending Super 6 hours, he read all Super his logs, he thought all super his actions through, and then when kirby flips town Super is suspicious? That doesn't make sense, you don't think like that. Unless you already know that Super is scum and you are creating a distance? Why did Chroma add that it is Super or Koshi? There is no correlation between me and Super. You can not make this assumption. Why is Chroma saying this? Maybe trying to keep the option "Koshi" open and try to save Super after all? There are more posts like this. Where Chroma made suspicious posts that no townie would do. Like seeing that Superfluous made a case against Xzavier. No Townie here saw that. Nobody saw that case like Chroma saw it. I am not willing to also point that out again. But if you want... The difference between my bad play (tunneling super) and Chroma his bad play(tunneling on kirby) is that Chroma did silly things that no Townie would do. You disagree? | ||
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On July 15 2013 21:28 Onegu wrote: I dont know why he did this, and he needs to answer. What I am saying is it is the same thing as saying kirby or chrome is scum, neither statement has any foundation. I will go over chromes filter, but while reading the thread I remember agreeing with alot of his points early in the game and most scum arent leading one of the day 1 bandwagons, which made me slightly town on him. I want to say something real fast also, defending someone even if they flip scum is a scumtell, at least that is what happahuli told me in scum QT NMMXLII. Chrom said a lot of things that you could agree with, he made me look silly sometimes. But that doesn't mean he isn't scum. You have to look at some of the assumptions he made, the ignoring of the defense Kirby made, the ignoring of the case vs Godart that Kirby made. There is a post where Chroma defends Super by saying that survival is a townplay, and that is a town thing to do when somebody makes a case against you that you defend yourself. It was a really good post by Chroma. But why did Chroma ignore the BIG DEFENSE Kirby made on Chroma his post about Kirby. Chroma gave it not enough attention at all, and it was a really good defense. This is suspicious. There are really multiple things like this. Chroma makes good posts but ignores obvious things that someone like Chroma doesn't do on purpose. | ||
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ffs I make silly mistakes without EDIT. | ||
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On July 15 2013 21:52 Chromatically wrote: The Super/Koshi thing was already explained, it was preliminary feeling right after the flip. Both of them cold be scum, but they're not both scum. So the most likely case is that one of them is scum. I'm still rereading the thread, so you'll have my actual scumreads before the night end. I have absolutely no idea what your point is with the Xzavier thing. I really don't know how the "Chrom hates lists" thing got started. Posting lists of lurkers is bad because it's really easy to do as scum, but it wasn't a huge point. My point is that I can quote 3 people now that say superfluous had NO BASE on why to call Xzavier scum, let alone vote on him. You were the only one who saw that, and even gave 5 reasons why. The worst reasons ever if I may add. It is another case of you seeing things that nobody else sees. But I am going to let everything about Chroma rest for now. I need to read more opinions from other players. If you want, you can still ask me to explain things about you ofcourse Chroma. But I need to take a look at this "counsil". Because as soon as that was formed they added JACK SHIT to why Kirby and Super needed to get lynch, they were actually thinking they were the special ones that could just read opinions and then make the verdict, without giving reasons themselves. Look at Umasi whos gut said super vote. Look at Rainbow whos gut said super vote. Their only input was gut vote for super when they made the holy tribunal. I don't know yet if it is something. But it might have been suspicious. However, I think they did it for good fun. | ||
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Chromo without rereading the filter. What is your opinion on the Tribunal and what did they actually added to the discussion? | ||
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Ignore his initial drama, did he look capable at playing this game? | ||
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When I said Super scummy I am quoting somebody that said that I said that Umasi and Chroma are super scummy, as in really scummy. While I just replied to somebody asking my 2 fav lynches. For the other thing I would like to refer to my previous post. You can see in my log that I wasn't really invested yet in this game. You can see that on page 2 of my filter 5 messages in that page I was still pretty not caring about this game. But after the defense of Superfluous by Chroma I got attached for some reason, I wanted to pressure Chroma and the result is the clusterfuck we had yesterday. At the end of the deadline I was so committed and was tunneling so hard on this Chroma vs Koshi stuff that I couldn't care less about the tribunal. It was also quite clear that we had a majority. So I didn't have to switch, so I didn't. | ||
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On July 16 2013 03:58 hzflank wrote: Would you mind answering these questions for me? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420227¤tpage=63#1260 @hzflankhere I am going to bed now. | ||
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If you compare what Superfluous did with what Xzavier did, or what Kirby defense Kirby case did. Kirby on Day 2 or Super on Day 2? I wanted Kirby. The only thing that you can blame me for is being too fast on the Kirby or Super lynch. I was already pushing one of those 2 around 6 hours before deadline? But I thought I was 4 hours at that time. | ||
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gl hf Town! Beat them scummies! | ||
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