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On July 14 2013 07:22 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 07:04 Chromatically wrote:
Trying to stay alive isn't a scumtell though. Let's say that you come back to the thread and see a case on you. Your forat order of business, as would be any townie's, is to defend yourself.
I really think that Super is just new. His posting doesn't feel like scum. He makes an honest effort to scumhunt, he points out things that he thinks are scummy (ex: one random sponge post). When the game starts on day 1 the first order of business is not to stay alive, but to create an environment in which scum can be found. The second order of business is to find scum. If you do these things then you do not have to worry about staying alive. While Super may be new he does say that he has experience on other forums. There was not a case on him, only some very light pressure. There was no need for him to defend himself rather than looking for scum. I feel like I gave him a chance to explain his reads and he failed to do so. He did not have to give me reasoning that I fully agree with, he just had to show me reasoning that I can understand from a town point of view. It is very scummy that he avoided the questions and later gave answers that I cannot understand. He says that Xzavier is his current scum read, which is obviously a reasonable town position at this point. Super's reasoning there is understandable, but has not yet attempted to strengthen the read. What does he expect people to do about gut feelings? I cannot see anything in Super's filter that looks town.
Super's reasoning is OMGUS.
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None of these three are mutually exclusive to me right now. All look scummy for a wide variety of reasons, and I wouldn't expect the flip of one to drastically affect my opinion of the other two. I could conceive of a scum team that included all three of these guys simultaneously.
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On July 14 2013 08:02 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 07:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 14 2013 07:11 Koshi wrote:
@hzflank
That is a really impressing post. I would give you a cookie but I will give you this instead.
##Vote: Superfluous
I also like the kirby case but kirby hasn't posted in the last 20 hours. So I am reluctant to put my vote on him. Kirby has proven that he can make big analytical posts or at least is willing to do so. He has proven that he can pick up on 1 scummier sentence in a big convincing pro town post. So I would like to give kirby the chance to do this before I put my vote on him. What?! Find one. Now. Please. The joking one. I didn't say it was good. I am just saying that he is willing to do so.
Wow. Even if you interpret a joke post as evidence that someone is capable of making a serious case (/eyeroll), then that's actually evidence that he's NOT willing to do so, because he hasn't made a case yet in the actual game.
I question your judgement, Koshi. Is that the leading reason you're leaning Town on kirby? Or is it because he's lurking, and you apparently find that to be a pro-town move?
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On July 14 2013 08:07 Koshi wrote:
I am not leaning Town on kirby AT ALL. But I am saying that I like the Super case much better. If there was a lynch right now I would go:
1) Super
2) kirby
3) Gotard
4) no lynch unless everybody really wants Stim.
Fine. I want you to address your train of thought on why someone posting a jokepost and then nothing gives you confidence that they will make serious cases in the future. I also want you to comment on why you think lurking makes someone more pro-town.
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On July 14 2013 08:22 Gotard wrote:
Jrkirby looks like a better lynch than Superfluous right now.
Why not Superfluous? He isn't afraid to share his strong reads. His posts aren't full of useless crap (Hello Rainbows!) even when he isn't 100% right which concerns me. More pro town that jrkirby in general feel.
Why Jrkirby? I don't see him making pro town content. His post claiming that hzflank is mafia was awkward and then he defended himself saying that it was only a joke/pressure combo. Then posing useless lurker list (seems like every newbie game needs one). But as far as his interaction with stim goes I think you are overthinking it.
##vote: jrkirby.
Do you think Superfluous is Town?
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On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary: Show nested quote +
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. In particular, I really like these two posts: Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 04:29 Superfluous wrote:Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone. In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them. As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him. Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 04:37 Superfluous wrote:
Also, idk what is up with jrkirby. If there was a third party that'd be my guess for him, right now just null read I guess though. This is because his play has been somewhat erratic with no clear goal to me other than tunneling on Sponge, which didn't really do much. He strikes me as the type of player who could be dangerous late game for us because he seems hard to read. Im curious jrkirby, what has been your goal with your posts thus far? Super wasn't under any pressure when he posted these. He's actively reading the thread, looking for scum, and most importantly sharing his thought process with the thread. This is very, very genuine and townie. Basically: Super is trying to find scum, even if it doesn't look like it at first glance. Kirby is NOT trying to find scum, but he's trying to look like he is.
He wasn't trying to find scum. He only posted that because I issued a list of my reads and he was the only one in bright red on the list. That was a 'Defend Thyself' reaction post, nothing proactive about it, Chrom.
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On July 15 2013 05:29 Superfluous wrote:
Well the main strength of vet is getting hit at a point when mafia needs a kill then claiming. Now you should lead town since you claimed but you're saying you are getting replaced.
It'd be a risky claim by maf but there's no definitive role list so we can't be certain that you're telling the truth, even if you probably are and this is just a bad play.
wat
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On July 15 2013 05:13 Xzavier wrote:
honestly, between jkirby and super im kinda stunned. I see them both as scummy as shit. Right now i dont even feel the need to OMGUS super because his vote on my was without a case and the only case he made wasnt even on me.
Im sorry for working a fuckton, im home for the rest of the day and will be active for the most part( ill be active for sure before and up to the deadline, it would be horrid if we didnt get a lynch off) my schuelde last week was this 2:30-11 pretty much every day the second half of the week, add classes in the morning to that and what else do you want me to do?
my schuelde for this week is alot nicer and i can see myself being able to be present more. So ill do that. And people will be happy and like it.
after reading the cases on super and jkirby, im kinda feeling like they are slightly more useful than somebody like cloud-9 who has lurked the entire fucking game.
like i said a while back they were both on my scumdar, right now i want to lynch super, because his play has shown no potential to benefit town.
laddies and gents, i give you:
SUPERRRRR
the only thing i dont understand about him is why vote me when everybody else clearly states that you dont have a tangible reason to do so? and then you make a case on a different person but dont switch your vote? I dont follow your play at all, its confusing. But its scummy because it couldnt possibly be from a town perspective. you havent dont much at all in the ways of actively scumhunt. i get that you werent here yesterday and im the last one to yell at you for lurking, but beyond that you actually havnt added anythign to the conversation, or defended yourself. Have made a point to dodge questions that a town would love to jump at in order to display innocence.
him sticking to his "gut-read" is damning the town. he needs to vote on a bandwagon or we run the possibility of a no-lynch which by far benefits scum the most, we NEED to get a lynch off.
jkirby also throwing his vote away is worrying me, but atleast hes made a case on the person he has voted for.
basically what this boils down to is im voting Super because i havnt seen any actual real scumhunting out of him and iv seem attempts (although unsuccessful/silly) out of Jkirby, This leads me to think that he is actually trying.
##VOTE: Superfluous
Typical Xzavier OMGUS post. The basis for your entire vote on him is because he voted for you. Try to expand your horizons a bit, Xzavier...
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On July 15 2013 05:33 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:27 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 14 2013 13:31 Chromatically wrote:I just reread hz's case, and I really don't like it. He calls out a lot of things that aren't actually scummy. Look at the summary:
To conclude, Super's priorities seem to be
1) Stay Alive
2) Find a person to vote for
3) Find justifications for voting
This is literally a list of objectives as either alignment. Town obviously wants to stay alive. Finding a person to vote for with reasoning is also town. The difference between the alignments is that town want to find scum, and mafia doesn't actually want to. Super looks like he's honestly trying to find scum. In particular, I really like these two posts: On July 14 2013 04:29 Superfluous wrote:Going back through the posts, I'm a little alarmed at Hurricane Sponge's change of tone. In this post he disagrees with my opinion and says it casts suspicion on me, but doesnt state that I'm a huge scumread or anything. Here I interpreted his post as acknowledging that while we disagree, I was still trying to state my opinion and reasons for having that view. He then says some weird things here though. For instance, he says that he agrees with others' view of me who had semi-defended me, and in the same list puts me as the only scum read. I realize his view may have changed, but it strikes me especially considering in the second post I listed he acknowledged the possibility of a bandwagon on me just because of differing opinions. We also have a mutual disagreement on reads as well. I don't see how hzflank and xzavier have contributed substantially more than me. While knowing everyone's scum reads is good, I don't like it when people show up, say their scum reads, then expect other people to act on them. As for Stim I think he's more likely bad town then mafia. Then again everyone else is saying the same thing, so could be mafia excuse for not lynching him. On July 14 2013 04:37 Superfluous wrote:
Also, idk what is up with jrkirby. If there was a third party that'd be my guess for him, right now just null read I guess though. This is because his play has been somewhat erratic with no clear goal to me other than tunneling on Sponge, which didn't really do much. He strikes me as the type of player who could be dangerous late game for us because he seems hard to read. Im curious jrkirby, what has been your goal with your posts thus far? Super wasn't under any pressure when he posted these. He's actively reading the thread, looking for scum, and most importantly sharing his thought process with the thread. This is very, very genuine and townie. Basically: Super is trying to find scum, even if it doesn't look like it at first glance. Kirby is NOT trying to find scum, but he's trying to look like he is. He wasn't trying to find scum. He only posted that because I issued a list of my reads and he was the only one in bright red on the list. That was a 'Defend Thyself' reaction post, nothing proactive about it, Chrom. Why would you think that? There's no reason to think that. You weren't even voting him. Kirby has only issues scumreads when someone has SPECIFICALLY ASKED him for them, so he had no choice. No one was asking Super specifically about his reads. It was proactive.
I wasn't voting him, but it was a form of pressure, and obviously he felt that pressure. I'm on #teamlynchkirby for now, but don't say Super has been proactive with scumhunting. He wasn't here, and he hasn't been since.
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On July 15 2013 05:35 Superfluous wrote:
He asked if he was a good play. I'm saying its not, and it doesn't help the town. In an experienced player game it could be an early gambit here I don't think it is if only because he's being replaced.
Where did all that vet stuff come from?
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Rainbows seems like a very very very style-based player. His seems to be a bit of a yolomancer, so endgame with him should be quite fun, if he makes it.
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I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch.
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From Nightcat via votethread: "Sorry for just voting , I just got off th airport , and my phone is dieing. I will post my reason when get home."
StiM calling out lurkers for last-second votes. The irony is clogging my pores.
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On July 15 2013 05:50 jrkirby wrote:
Well, superfluous is probably going to vote me, and I'll die.
So, reads:
hzflank and chromatically seem town.
Koshi, xzavier seem a bit scummy, not a bad choice.
cloud-9 is probably going to get replaced, no info on him.
nightcat might come back and be worth something, I wish he had realized he couldn't commit to this. Nullread.
Rainbows sounds pretty town to me too.
Hurricane is someone you should take a close look at, it's hard to tell. He might not be the best lynch tomorrow.
Umasi i don't have a good read on, neither stim.
Gotard would be an excellent lynch tomorrow if I die.
Oh no! A list post!
 ucks for cover from the Rage of Chromaggus*
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EBWOP: Ducks* (yay TL default 13-year old girl smiley set...)
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On July 15 2013 05:56 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 05:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
I'd be on board for a gotard hammer if someone can make a good case that mafia are on this wagon pushing for a mislynch. You don't think that Mafia are on that wagon? From my position you are on the scummy wagon.I am reading Gotard again. I did not think that the cases against him were strong, but on the other hand Gotard's filter after 24 hours was horrible. The problem that I have with reading his more recent posts is that I am struggling to separate an alignment read from a personality read. I think Gotard could very well be scum, but I still think that Super is more likely. If you look at Chrom's defense of Super, almost every point was that it was bad play rather than scum play. When you make that many consecutive defenses and call them all bad play then alarm bells should be ringing.
Elaborate on this if you can, hz.
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@Superfluous
Can you post a list of your Town and Scum reads like kirby did in case you die tonight?
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On July 15 2013 07:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 06:53 Koshi wrote:On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote:
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer. On July 14 2013 04:51 Superfluous wrote:
I'm pointing out Sponge as a possibility as he has seemed to be clear from suspicion after jrkirby's early pressure. Xzavier is my biggest scum read atm for the reasons listed. I have a gut feeling and really have not liked the tone in his posts. Look at ALL THE REASONS SUPER GIVES. WOOOOWWWWOWWW You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons. I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found: 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him JEEZ THIS IS SCUMMY2) Xzav read him as scum SO DID UMASI3) Xzav hasn't contributed YES HE DID? READ THE ENTIRE XZAV POST WHERE HE ALSO MENTIONS SUPER 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him SHEEPED WHO? UMASI? 5) Gut read CRAZYYYYYYYYY I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts. I capslocked my response. I quoted all 3 posts of Super about Xzavier You were able to find 5 points? I am having a feeling that you are all-in on this Kirby vs Super lynch? Chrom, you are going to look very bad when Super turns red. You realise that?
A Townie realizes it and doesn't care. Mafia would realize it and back off their case. Especially a Day 1 case when it's easy to get away with fuzzy reads and FoS.
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##unvote jrkirby
I'm going to be active at the deadline, and I don't want someone putting the hammer vote into kirby just to ensure there's a lynch. It's now 5-on-5, and I'll be able to follow the next vote to ensure a lynch.
I think both of these guys are scum (you can check my filter to confirm if you haven't been paying attention), and we need a lynch.
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On July 15 2013 07:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2013 07:09 Hurricane Sponge wrote:On July 15 2013 07:06 Koshi wrote:On July 15 2013 07:01 Chromatically wrote:On July 15 2013 06:53 Koshi wrote:On July 14 2013 04:45 Superfluous wrote:
Maybe I didn't make it clear enough in my posts, but my reasons for Hzflank and xzavier were not only because of association. I am suspicious of Hzflank because he had posts which didn't contribute or add anything (he defended it by saying it's his style of getting discussion started) and because he posted early on then didn't post much afterwards. Xzavier didn't post at all, then showed up and basically agreed with what had been said. He also said I was his biggest scum read but wasn't ready yet to vote for me. It struck me the wrong WAY, and I interpreted it as he was waiting for a reason to lynch me, not that he wasn't going to at all. Again, my interpretation here, but I already listed these reasons in previous posts just want to make it clearer. On July 14 2013 04:51 Superfluous wrote:
I'm pointing out Sponge as a possibility as he has seemed to be clear from suspicion after jrkirby's early pressure. Xzavier is my biggest scum read atm for the reasons listed. I have a gut feeling and really have not liked the tone in his posts. Look at ALL THE REASONS SUPER GIVES. WOOOOWWWWOWWW You sure suddenly have very strong feelings about Super when he wasn't even a scumread not too long ago. There's no way you honestly believe that those are his only reasons. I control-F'd "Xzavier" in his filter and here's the reasons I found: 1) Xzav lurked before suddenly jumping on him JEEZ THIS IS SCUMMY2) Xzav read him as scum SO DID UMASI3) Xzav hasn't contributed YES HE DID? READ THE ENTIRE XZAV POST WHERE HE ALSO MENTIONS SUPER 4) Xzav lurked and then sheeped thread sentiment by voting for him SHEEPED WHO? UMASI? 5) Gut read CRAZYYYYYYYYY I personally agree with points 3 and 4, that's why I don't like Xzav. I find it hard to believe that you honestly missed all of these posts. I capslocked my response. I quoted all 3 posts of Super about Xzavier You were able to find 5 points? I am having a feeling that you are all-in on this Kirby vs Super lynch? Chrom, you are going to look very bad when Super turns red. You realise that? A Townie realizes it and doesn't care. Mafia would realize it and back off their case. Especially a Day 1 case when it's easy to get away with fuzzy reads and FoS. I agree. That's why I say that it feels like he is going all in right now. Remember there is only 3 scum. 1 down now would be VERY bad. Sponge please read the Super log. Or read the 3 Super posts that I quoted I bolded the parts that Super talks about Xzavier. It's everything. I even quoted your posts ssaying that Super had done nothing till that point. Super did NO READ on xzavier and voted him. While Super his policy is that not voting is ok for day 1. Come on. COME ON.
Dude, I hate Super as pro-town. That's no secret.
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