EPTWhy the hell are you pointing out things about jkirby if you dont find them suspicious? What was the purpose of your post then?
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Why the hell are you pointing out things about jkirby if you dont find them suspicious? What was the purpose of your post then? | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:44 StiMaDDict wrote: For your entertainment. + Show Spoiler + jk I do not like to post fluff + Show Spoiler + Could someone give me a definition of fluff? Contentless gut feel is what I think means If I had just said, "oh, jkirby's case is terrible and that's why I said such and such." I wouldn't be meaningful in anyway. You established that his vote was pressure. Fact You then said his post was joking but he was not a joking player. it is the latter clause i do not understand simply because it has no purpose or town motivation. It seems to passively finger point at something that is potentially scummy in jkirby but not investigate. but i digress. your reaction suffices and we move on. | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:47 Chromatically wrote: Maybe I wasn't explicit enough. Is this untrue? I assume pressure vote = town move and then he says jkirby is joking which is unlike him = scummy? two separate feels imo. | ||
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On July 13 2013 09:58 Chromatically wrote: So you posted it because you wanted to point out that he's either a townie joking or a bad townie? Why would you post the second sentence at all? And then someone else words it better than I can. Bravo. | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:01 Chromatically wrote: Are you asking me..? Or is that a reason why you thought it was scummy? The reason I thought it scummy. It's hard to say how I thought about it, but then again I post rather sporadically with random thoughts. | ||
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They're all the same reason juat articulated differently. | ||
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We're flirting too much with subtext atm. | ||
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Last game was just me being frustrated and correct :p lol. You should fear the Rainbows. | ||
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Will elaborate when I get home to a computer. Hint: Not stim. More town reads than scum but thats normal. Ill converse with you if it doesnt involve too much backtracking atm. | ||
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On July 13 2013 10:47 jrkirby wrote: Anyone think this could be a scumslip? He seems the kind that might want to subtly brag about it if he were scum. Nope it's a scumslip im the Godfather. Srsly that made me lol jkirby :p | ||
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On July 13 2013 13:14 StiMaDDict wrote: Apparently I'm the scummiest fucking bastard in this game. Jump on board the StiM wagon and earn easy town cred! You know, I'm done. Contribute? Yeah fucking right. Sit in front of the computer for 6 fucking hours refreshing and trying to god damn contribute and what I get is "so you weren't angry but you pretended to be angry?" Town shouldn't lie about that. I wasn't fucking lying. Jesus. w/e. You're assuming the dude accusing you is town. | ||
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But listen. Rejoice in the fact that you know they are either wrong or scum and pwn them in the face. If you're scum, then well I'm sorry -- gg wp | ||
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On July 13 2013 14:04 Chromatically wrote: Rainbows still hasn't given an opinion on Stim... He's a crash-and-burn scenario and really could flip either way. His actions were reckless and didn't make much sense to me but -- scum don't want to attract that much attention to themselves. I suppose he has that going for him. On July 13 2013 15:25 Umasi wrote: Is anyone around to chat it up with? Sup? | ||
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On July 13 2013 15:38 Umasi wrote: nothing much. Thread was stagnant because nighttime, but w.e. So I remember reading the mafia you were in (you were vig, tunneled ravens) but don't remember much about the specific scenario that played out with your rage quit. How much of this is reminiscant of what you did? Do you think there's a comparison at all to be made? It's reminiscent and not much else. I trolled early on then made cases on a few people (who turned out to be scum). People didn't like my cases and told me i trolled to much and that having fun was bad. So i said fuck you guys, roleclaimed, and tunneled obv scum the entire game. Stim is just being stupid =\ | ||
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1) Hzflank 2) StiMaDDict 3) Chromatically 4) Jrkirby 5) Koshi 6) Xzavier 7) Rainbows 8) Nightcat99 9) Umasi 10) Gotard 11) Hurricane Sponge 12) Superfluous 13) Cloud-9 | ||
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From what I can tell, my involvement in it aside, there seems to be two forces at work here. Chromatically and Umasi, Chrom specifically, want to lynch the ever-living crap out of Stim. Then, there seems to be the counter-movement of dudes after the fact, that are screaming not to lynch Stim and that he's just a baddie. Useful to see the two sides cropping up, because if Stim is town, you'd think all 3 scum would be like "sup son, lynch the dude". Rule #1: Never lynch the most outspoken, emotional guy on D1. If he doesn't pick up his game and give reads, etc., I'm fine with hanging him at this point because he could be scum, but is otherwise useless and we gain information from the flip. Until the remainder second half of day 1 gets rolling into full force, I'll consider his lynch. A meh lynch at this point. What the fuck is this? On July 13 2013 21:54 Koshi wrote: I am from Belgium guys, This game started at 12PM and I was tired after a working week. I read the thread once now and my initial (this is without using filters, just reading all the posts) is that H.Sponge build enough town kred to not get lynched day 1 no matter what. I loved his opening post, and I loved his defense on that post. Even if he is scum, he has been very helpful to town, and every town should go and read that opening post. Scum reads are on Umasi and Chroma. Umasi because his entire early posts were just sucking up to H.Sponge, which is just not useful at all, H. Sponge clearly doesn't need to be defended like this. Another thing I dont like about Umasi is him trying to redirect the thread twice for a Superfluous train on a rather useless moment. Superfluous entered the thread with a bad post, but went afk after, which is not a clear scumread. Not enough the get a train going, and make the rest of the day useless. Chroma is currently tunneling so heavily on StiMaDDict. The guy is afk, treat him as an afk bad town till he comes back. It is a good thing to spark some conversation around StiMaDDict, but at this point I feel that Chroma is derailing more than necessarily. It's just tunneling into oblivion. I start filtering now: Reading Chroma his filter I get a serious scum vibe. Post like this: This is just being a jack-ass, at least it would be if you say things like this in real life. In mafia it is trying to put suspicion onto somebody without saying anything. I haven't crosschecked this message with the referring Sponge message but it feels dirty. What was your intention while typing this down Chromo? @ Chromo, Do you agree that this is a very suspicious post? And explain to me why it is "interesting" that Sponge likes to have interaction on his scumreads while playing this game? Reading Umasi his filter after the Chroma filter makes me want to lynch one of these 2 guys. Umasi and Chroma are either bromancing it up on the stimaddict lynch, or they are both scum. Here is Umasi his game till now: --> Defend Sponge while pushing lynch on Superfluous. --> Argue with Sponge about Chroma while pusing a lynch on StiMaDDict. What is this clause trying to achieve? You say If sponge is Scum, his posts are helping town and we should listen to him. Lulwut? | ||
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On July 14 2013 01:51 StiMaDDict wrote: *sigh I fucked up. @Chromatically: You let me down and I let you down. I don't really know. I had a shitty day. I was pissed off at other things and I tried to let my stresses go away by posting on here. Then you blew it. Your nitpicking on whether I was angry or not and whether I was lying or not was really under my expectation. I think I gave you WAY TOO much credit from last game. Also you keep saying that I can't explain my so-called lie, but I did, god damn it. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:19 StiMaDDict wrote: This. Pretty much repeating what Xzavier did in the last game, calling everyone retard, was from me being genuinely mad. Overall attitude in my posts and impolite words in them were for the purpose I have stated. Do note: I'm not a good actor and I am not sure whether there was a clear boundary between me being mad because of quotes and spoilers and pretending to be mad at Rainbow. I was not bothered by Rainbow's pressure to put it simply and it is not in my best interest to lie about this. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 12:24 StiMaDDict wrote: My previous post looks confusing. 1) I was mad at messing up posts but not at Rainbow 2) My anger reflected on my posts 3) Later when I realized that my posts were angry sounding I gave them purposes and maintain similar style. I hope this explains it better. Not sure if this is a relevant topic though. First one wasn't clear enough so I wrote the second. I had a shitty day, alright, so I wrote some cuss words on the Internet. It wasn't something that I was proud of but it happened. So I tried to cover it up as if it was intentional with purposes and purposes they did accomplished. If you want to argue about when I came up with the idea, well, why don't dissect my brain and see. Gosh, you pissed me off. @jkirby: What you doing? + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 07:41 jrkirby wrote: Ok. I've been studying this long and hard, and I think I have enough evidence to make a clear case. hzflank is scum Clearly, hzflank is lying about this compliment. Liars are always scum. And look who he's talking to: the scum coach. Obviously he's in league with them. He goes on, still talking to the scum: This is an obvious admission that he wants town to die. Anyone who wants town to die is scum, end of story. I will. Right here, right now. And for his first post: He's trying to get us to sheep together and follow a Bandwagon instead of looking for evidence and finding scum. Finally: Trying to defend one of the scum who is planning to lurk. You can't ignore all this evidence guys. hzflank is scum. ##Vote: hzflank He makes a pressure vote on hzflank and he never followed up on it at all. Yes, it did create a discussion between Rainbow and I, but not much from hzflank. He never provided his motive, explanation, or response after he made that one post. We know he was around when Rainbow and I were duking it out. Am I the only crazy one here and it's a normal thing to do with a pressure vote? If the purpose of the pressure vote is create a discussion why didn't he take a part? He takes it down couple of pages later basic saying that it didn't do much except getting some discussion. jkirby on Hurricane is basically this in my eyes: Your first post makes you look town. I think you post this AS A SCUM. If you are not, then show us your other post. Darn, it's too late now. I follow the thought process but it doesn't do much. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:35 jrkirby wrote: "For all we know, THIS could be his scum post." That's exactly what I was trying to get information on. Here was my reasoning: if this is his scum post, then he won't HAVE a real scum post. But it's been long enough that he could've written another one by now, so no point in pushing it anymore. No, this is my second game, kinda. This starts jkirby's trend of hedging. He drops the pressure as soon as he feels as it has been too long and Sponge could've written a copy. He doesn't say Sponge is a town or scum because of this, which I find disturbing. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:46 jrkirby wrote: Me - "It's been long enough that he could've written another one by now." If he had posted one immediately after I had asked it means something different than if he posts one an hour or two after I asked. Superfluous's post & lurk is bad, but give him a bit, he might show back up. Umasi feels the same way it seems. Another excuse and nothing to indicate how he feels about Sponge as a result. The bold part is another hedging. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 09:58 jrkirby wrote: I think it's foolish to PLAN to not lynch day one. But if I have a choice of lynching someone that I townread, and lynching no one, I will try to lynch no one. I hope other people would follow suit. This is his opinion. I don't agree with persay but it isn't really alignment indicative. It isn't a strong expression of opinion to be honest, just a "wish" (I added this because I didn't want to only pick out scummy things jkirby said and ignore rest of his filter) + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:13 jrkirby wrote: Koshi Xzavier Nightcat99 Gotard cloud-9 These players haven't posted anything/enough in my opinion. It's only been a couple hours, so you might be asleep/ at work. But just a PSA, these are currently "lurkers". Doesn't reveal his view on lurkers but just "throw" the topic of lurkers out on the table. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:22 jrkirby wrote: Well, this game is majority lynch, so voting for the "scummiest" person could be what causes a lynch not to happen. I'm pretty sure scum wouldn't mind lynching town either. General common sense. It's just me but I don't like this semi-joking statement. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:32 jrkirby wrote: Honestly? I have real trouble seeing scum until I see voting patterns. I'm slightly more suspicious of Sponge, Umasi, and Rainbows than the rest. Sponge I've stated my reasons for. I don't really trust my read on Rainbows because [meta here] I thought he was scum last time I played with him and he wasn't. Umasi just reads a bit ornery, so that could be the reason for my weak read. My vote on hzflank was kinda a combo of joke/pressure as you guys pointed out. It got a bit of discussion, but didn't get much of a rise out of hzflank, who I currently have null read on. I guess I should unvote him now, since the pressure obviously didn't do too much. ##unvote: hzflank A list of suspicion list that doesn't have "legitimate" reasons or evidence. So he does feel suspicious about Sponge afterall about him not sharing his opening post in time, I'm assuming. About Rainbow, I am not sure. He words in a confusing way. In last game, jkirby thought Rainbow was scum but he was a town. So in this game he thinks Rainbow is a town but he could be a scum or vise versa? Concerning Umasi, his reasoning it not satisfying either. Also he doubts his ability to read other people. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:03 Chromatically wrote: Why are you suspicious of Rainbows? What do you think about Super? Chromatically followed up asking why jkirby is suspicious of Rainbow and what he thinks of Super. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:56 StiMaDDict wrote: Waiting on jkirby's response to Chromatically's question. I had same question as Chromatically and brought it back up. At the end, he still hasn't answered it at the time of me posting this. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:47 jrkirby wrote: Anyone think this could be a scumslip? He seems the kind that might want to subtly brag about it if he were scum. I can never figure out when people are joking and not. This is just really fucking weak and gets on my nerve. If it is a joke, then fuck me. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 10:58 jrkirby wrote: He said he couldn't be in here at the beginning before the game started, right? No real reason to have suspicion on the lurkers yet, just note that they're lurking. This is pretty fucking bad. Protecting a lurker when he was the one to bring up the topic at all. I don't know what he is trying to do, but then again, I'm fucked up pretty hard with my playstyle.. Anyway, protecting not just one lurker but pretty much all of them and making an excuse for them makes me think he is a scum. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:21 jrkirby wrote: Cool it dude. For all you know, the people voting for you could be scum trying to get you riled up. Just calm down, post reads, question things, and have a good game. You won't play your best when you're tilting. You're in no way doomed right now. I guess I should thanks for his kind words (?) but as Chromatically has pointed out, he is trying to pat me on the head as if he is saying, "Chromatically and Umasi could scum you know. Come here, you poor baby." + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:31 jrkirby wrote: 2 votes land on a guy is quick succession, I'd be stupid if I weren't at least a BIT suspicious. As far as I can tell, stim is just acting like a bit of an idiot, is flustered, and frustrated. Doesn't seem like scumtell to me. You're free to have your vote, and I don't have a solid scumread on either of you, but I will be looking a bit more closely at your filters. No stand or point whatsoever. I'm not a scum. Chromatically and Umasi are not scum, but they are "bit" suspicious. What is your stance man? Stop hedging. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:38 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's town. I think he's stupid, and have a nullread. Well thanks, I think I'm stupid too. I'm not a town but you have a nullread on me? What was the purpose of writing above two posts then? Confused and scummy. I am not liking how he is dealing with me blowing up. He seems to be neither or both defending and pressuring in this situation. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 13:42 jrkirby wrote: I don't think he's thinking through what he's saying. His actions don't seem town because they're foolish from every way you look at them. But that doesn't make him clearly scum. Hedging. Period. Conclusion: jkirby is my biggest scumread atm. He seems to be Onegue from XLII. Acting as if he is contributing but without actual content. He is not really expressing his reads and tend much more to hedge. He has not established a strong stance as a town and hasn't given clear reasons for his suspicion. ##Vote: jkirby Mmmm greetings stranger. I'm not surprised to see your kind around here... I like the case, esp the hedging point. +1 | ||
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