Basterd Mini Mafia - Page 91

On July 04 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Gumshoe, answer me this:

Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked?

On July 04 2013 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
Is it just me desperately trying to work out what information WoS could possibly have been given that he can't disclose?

On July 04 2013 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
Is it just me desperately trying to work out what information WoS could possibly have been given that he can't disclose?

On July 05 2013 00:07 gumshoe wrote:


I seriously could not care less. Any information that we reveal here scum in tern will posses. I rather we both be in the dark, let them shit they're pants, Wos's info is no threat to us.

On July 05 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:

Again, I've bugged the everloving shit out of iGrok this game, so you're welcome to ask him what and how I can or can't disclose to you guys in more detail. (I was almost modkilled already I think.) I will gladly answer if I get the ok from him.

On July 04 2013 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
Is it just me desperately trying to work out what information WoS could possibly have been given that he can't disclose?

On July 05 2013 00:08 marvellosity wrote:
I'm curious though how you're taking it from the angle of a 'threat' rather than a boon/good thing. Weird mentality.

On July 05 2013 00:06 marvellosity wrote:
Wasn't digging at you, WoS, more my own personal battle of frustration and all that ^^

I really think we need to lynch fuba, because if WoS is scum constantly referencing host decisions/orders, it's one of the biggest dick moves of all time imo. Don't wanna go down that path.

On July 05 2013 00:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:

I mean, I gave it some thought and then realized that there was nothing that he could have been given aside from things that outright tell him who scum is which obviously doesn't make sense. But I didn't give it too much thought beyond that because WoS is pretty clearly scum.

On July 05 2013 00:06 marvellosity wrote:

I really think we need to lynch fuba, because if WoS is scum constantly referencing host decisions/orders, it's one of the biggest dick moves of all time imo. Don't wanna go down that path.

On July 05 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes its you marv, mostly because if WoS couldve disclosed ANYTHING else, he wouldve done it.

JJD. In a game where the survivor has a proc. If he claims, he is really really likely to get shot in the event of a game where scum arent losing. So when WoS has to claim, he loses.

Anyway, I dont think it matters that much that scum knows which blues town has. So if I were hosting, I wouldve probably given mafia fakeclaims that were definitely true so town cant break the game. And igrok has hosted longer than me.

SO THEREFORE, we should stop predicting host's actions and play the fucking game without thinking of the likelyhood of fakeclaims and no fakeclaims and JUST, in terms of which claim, Fuba's or WoS' is more believable. WoS for me by far. Fuba gives no shits that WoS' claimed his role.

On July 05 2013 00:10 WaveofShadow wrote:

Lol now I feel like I'll have to try that in my next scumgame. I don't see what's inherently dickish about it, especially since this is kind of game that was created. If it was like Les (where we got fakeclaims) with no named VTs and a semi-closed setup (I think?) then the fakeclaims wouldn't even be in question because there was no way for people to reference or know anything.

On July 04 2013 23:56 gumshoe wrote:


Assume your survivor, you can hope town will mislynch today but if your not an idiot you need to account for all possible scenarios and you need to account for them right now(at the time of the claim). What if they successfully lynch(they still hold the majority no matter what)? What if scum tonight sees you as a threat because you were forced to vote with town and role blocks/shoots in order to make theyre kps unblockable, just to be sure. Or what if town lynches you tommorow because they cant find scum and they dont trust you. Yes WOS could skate by and win today, but hes just flipping a coin then. Point is he has to make his call at the start of day 2, he cant just withhold his role and pray, he needs to fake claim or true claim BEFORE he knows how things are going to happen. He tried to make a play that would account for all possibilities, potentially scaring off or appeasing scum (the claim of a role block on him would imply survivor is still out they're, or it would tell them thats hes trying to screw over town by breeding chaos) and maybe convincing town hes actually blue. Sadly it did not work, but the attempt is clearly they're.

The point is, once WOS admits hes survivor he surrenders control of his own fate, wether or not town lynch him or scum shoot him is out of his hands. WOS played the only move left to him, secure in the knowledge that he could always reclaim survivor and admit that fake names are in the game. He took the risk cause why not, he knows town will be hesitant to shoot survivor, that is if hes the only claim. What he didn't account for was that scum would be forced to steal his role, he should have known the alternative was miller, that was his biggest mistake, but a believable one in comparison to what others, yourself included, in this thread would have town believe. The point is WOS's play is indicative of someone who is a struggling third party forced to play the only card in his hand. Comparatively Fuba implies that his revealing survivor means nothing and is uneventful, he acts pretty much like a leaf in the wind, he also claims that scum would receive fake roles but he wouldn't... which is just stupid. Fuba's play looks like fake survivor in the same way that his play as town looked like fake town. What it all basically comes down to is the realization that third party play must look distinct from scum or town, WOS's does, tell me what about Fuba's posting has changed since he claimed? Nothing, because hes not survivor.

On July 04 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Nope, that's not why he said he was fucked. See here:See it wasn't the fact the he had to claim. It was the fact that he had no role to claim. As evidenced by the fact that he claims that igrok helped rectify his problem.

So try again

On July 05 2013 00:11 marvellosity wrote:


The inherently dickish thing would be making up what hosts did or did not tell you. If everything you've said is true, then you have to be survivor. I think making up shit that hosts haven't said is pretty dickish.

On July 05 2013 00:13 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'm pretty sure that's also against the rules.