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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 10:21 GMT
#1761
It means that I find WoS's version of events more likely than fuba's (which was no fakeclaim given)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 11:05 GMT
#1762
k cool.

Why dont you want to speculate about the other scum members?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 11:09 GMT
#1763
On July 04 2013 20:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
k cool.

Why dont you want to speculate about the other scum members?


Because there's one important thing to do today, and that thing isn't name the entire scumteam.

I flicked through your filter and didn't see you doing so either. What gives, El Hypocritico? ^_^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 11:30 GMT
#1764
On July 04 2013 20:09 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 20:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
k cool.

Why dont you want to speculate about the other scum members?


Because there's one important thing to do today, and that thing isn't name the entire scumteam.

I flicked through your filter and didn't see you doing so either. What gives, El Hypocritico? ^_^

Im lazy, you arent.

Isnt the important thing to lynch Fuba? Cant you do other stuff on the side?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 11:38 GMT
#1765
Last time you used this kinda hypocritical defence about your laziness in a game with me you were mafia (Ego). Not interested in conversing with you if you're going to behave like this. Well, I am interested in a make-me-doubt-you're-town sort of way.

Still musing on this fakeclaim business.

Why on earth would Survivor be given Vigilante of all roles as a fake-claim? It's the only blue role with demonstrable, provable results. gumshoe? anyone? Then again why would mafia. arg.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 11:56 GMT
#1766
On July 04 2013 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
You derp.
I was gone that entire time so that feeling of being fucked and the pause in the game and whatnot all happened around the same time for me when I happened to read it.

But again by all means, vote me.
How could you have had a feeling of being fucked @ anytime? It's not possible in any way based on what you wrote? Point to a single post or series of posts that would have given you any feeling of being fucked. You can't because that would invalidate everything you wrote.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 11:58 GMT
#1767
On July 04 2013 20:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
You derp.
I was gone that entire time so that feeling of being fucked and the pause in the game and whatnot all happened around the same time for me when I happened to read it.

But again by all means, vote me.
How could you have had a feeling of being fucked @ anytime? It's not possible in any way based on what you wrote? Point to a single post or series of posts that would have given you any feeling of being fucked. You can't because that would invalidate everything you wrote.


I'd like to hear an answer to this too
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 12:13 GMT
#1768
On July 04 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Last time you used this kinda hypocritical defence about your laziness in a game with me you were mafia (Ego). Not interested in conversing with you if you're going to behave like this. Well, I am interested in a make-me-doubt-you're-town sort of way.

Still musing on this fakeclaim business.

Why on earth would Survivor be given Vigilante of all roles as a fake-claim? It's the only blue role with demonstrable, provable results. gumshoe? anyone? Then again why would mafia. arg.

how is it hypocritical?
No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 12:13 GMT
#1769
On July 04 2013 20:38 marvellosity wrote:
Why on earth would Survivor be given Vigilante of all roles as a fake-claim? It's the only blue role with demonstrable, provable results. gumshoe? anyone? Then again why would mafia. arg.
Yeah, check this:
On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +
(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.)
This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well.
What's this last part mean?
The closest thing to an answer was this
On July 04 2013 13:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
kk back.
So it turns out I'm not allowed to specify beyond what I already have regarding the fakeclaims.
So....yeah.
I guess that's pretty convenient fodder for all dem hataz but I don't really care. I'm pretty sure the relevant people know that I know shit.
Like what could "info on other roles" mean? He has to be implying that he got more than just the Donny fakeclaim right? Which means he's sitting on guaranteed scum right now but igrok says he's not allowed to divulge that information? I mean, how's he supposed to play the game and push his read? He's supposed to be all "I think so-and-so is scum, you guys should lynch him because uh...I gots a feeling"? Cmon.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 12:20 GMT
#1770
so you think WoS is lying about getting other roles?
No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 12:30 GMT
#1771
On July 04 2013 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
so you think WoS is lying about getting other roles?

Yes. I don't think survivor or mafia were given fakeclaims. That's why I asked if people thought it was possible that both wave and fuba were scum (and I'm still thinking this could be the case). Because they were the last 2 to claim.

I mean, if mafia were given blues to fakeclaim they'd know every role included in the game. Doesn't that sound like something that would be unfair to give them?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 12:31 GMT
#1772
On July 04 2013 19:12 marvellosity wrote:
Like there are 12 townie roles, and 12 total players in the game. I think iGrok would have foreseen that if mafia have no idea what to claim at any point, then a massclaim looks really really tough on mafia. Also, look at... the Active Games thread? iGrok was contemplating using this as an open setup, but decided against this.

What does an open setup mean? It means that mafia (and town alike) would know what roles existed. So in this game as we have it, I think that mafia knew what roles existed in the game, and were thus given a safe, fakeclaim each, and the Survivor got one too, to make 12=12.

I'm aware this is speculation, but this is what makes the most sense to me.

No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 12:35 GMT
#1773
And like, why in the blue hell would fuba not just counterclaim Donny? Mafia must have known that WoS was lying as soon as he claimed because they had to have been given Donny to fakeclaim.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 12:39 GMT
#1774
because counter claiming vig when YOU ARENT is bad.

Its really bad.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 12:39 GMT
#1775
honestly, I would be way more inclined to believe the survivor claim than the vig claim.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 12:44 GMT
#1776
On July 04 2013 21:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And like, why in the blue hell would fuba not just counterclaim Donny? Mafia must have known that WoS was lying as soon as he claimed because they had to have been given Donny to fakeclaim.


Why? I already wrote why this isn't (necessarily) the case
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 12:45 GMT
#1777
On July 04 2013 21:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
so you think WoS is lying about getting other roles?

Yes. I don't think survivor or mafia were given fakeclaims. That's why I asked if people thought it was possible that both wave and fuba were scum (and I'm still thinking this could be the case). Because they were the last 2 to claim.

I mean, if mafia were given blues to fakeclaim they'd know every role included in the game. Doesn't that sound like something that would be unfair to give them?


No, I don't.

Did you even read what I wrote?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 12:54 GMT
#1778
so lets kill JJD tmr then
No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 12:57 GMT
#1779
On July 04 2013 21:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 21:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And like, why in the blue hell would fuba not just counterclaim Donny? Mafia must have known that WoS was lying as soon as he claimed because they had to have been given Donny to fakeclaim.


Why? I already wrote why this isn't (necessarily) the case

Must have missed it. Can you point me to it?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 13:00 GMT
#1780
On July 04 2013 21:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 21:44 marvellosity wrote:
On July 04 2013 21:35 JarJarDrinks wrote:
And like, why in the blue hell would fuba not just counterclaim Donny? Mafia must have known that WoS was lying as soon as he claimed because they had to have been given Donny to fakeclaim.


Why? I already wrote why this isn't (necessarily) the case

Must have missed it. Can you point me to it?


On July 04 2013 19:12 marvellosity wrote:
Like there are 12 townie roles, and 12 total players in the game. I think iGrok would have foreseen that if mafia have no idea what to claim at any point, then a massclaim looks really really tough on mafia. Also, look at... the Active Games thread? iGrok was contemplating using this as an open setup, but decided against this.

What does an open setup mean? It means that mafia (and town alike) would know what roles existed. So in this game as we have it, I think that mafia knew what roles existed in the game, and were thus given a safe, fakeclaim each, and the Survivor got one too, to make 12=12.

I'm aware this is speculation, but this is what makes the most sense to me.


Effectively it boils down to this. Is it more reasonable that

a) scum know what blues/characters exist, but they DON'T know who had them (bear in mind town doesn't know at the start either, i.e. claims aren't bulletproof to *town*), or
b) scum can never fakeclaim at any point because any fakeclaim at any point runs a risk of being counterclaimed because they don't know what's in the game, so the only point they can fakeclaim is after all townies have claimed, thus outing the entire team.

b) is WAY more unreasonable.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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