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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
wtf dude. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On July 04 2013 21:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: Yes. I don't think survivor or mafia were given fakeclaims. That's why I asked if people thought it was possible that both wave and fuba were scum (and I'm still thinking this could be the case). Because they were the last 2 to claim. I mean, if mafia were given blues to fakeclaim they'd know every role included in the game. Doesn't that sound like something that would be unfair to give them? So your proposing that WOS forced himself into a position in which he or his buddy gets shot, with 2 kp on the line? Nah brah, one is survivor one is scum. Also you need to accept that yours and Lazers claims are no longer safe, likewise neither is mine or anyone else's. Yes the massclaim problem in thread came up AFTER the pause, but do you really think Igrock would not forsee such an obvious problem? Do you think mafia wouldn't as well and wouldn't complain about it? See im skeptical whenever someones theory requires a great deal of stupidity on the part of several people. Yes the pause could have been about something else, was it likely about anything else? No. Similarly yes you do look scum, is it possible your not scum? Of course, but your no longer getting a free ride based on your claim, which in all likely hood means nothing. . If you wanna argue that your town based on your own merit than feel free. But stop cititing WOS (falsely might I add as you still havent adressed his addendum) and time stamps when we only know one thing. They're was a pause before everyone but Marv revealed. The game was unpaused leading us to believe the problem had been solved. Several hours later you claimed, several hours after that so did Lazer. Once Fuba flips we will know once and for all if they're are fake claims in this game. Also how do you know he got his pm in the night phase? He never said that, how the hell would you know anything about that? Also I dont care about whatever other info WOS or scum received, I care about lynching scum, you should too. Vote Fuba. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 04 2013 22:00 marvellosity wrote: Huh, assumming A, wouldn't they know that Donny didn't exist? If they were given fakeclaims, isn't it reasonable to think that they were given Donny?Effectively it boils down to this. Is it more reasonable that a) scum know what blues/characters exist, but they DON'T know who had them (bear in mind town doesn't know at the start either, i.e. claims aren't bulletproof to *town*), or b) scum can never fakeclaim at any point because any fakeclaim at any point runs a risk of being counterclaimed because they don't know what's in the game, so the only point they can fakeclaim is after all townies have claimed, thus outing the entire team. b) is WAY more unreasonable. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: Huh, assumming A, wouldn't they know that Donny didn't exist? If they were given fakeclaims, isn't it reasonable to think that they were given Donny? Perhaps, seems not unlikely that they were told "here's 3 fakeclaims for the 3 of you, claim outside of these at your peril" or some such. I don't know exactly. Either way the b) / a) thing holds pretty much true, don't you think? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote: @Gumshoe, answer me this: Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked? Because if he claims, he CANNOT WIN. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Ok so if you assume B then the last 4 people to claim must be scum and survivor right? Makes sense right JJD? And as far as being fucked goes, IMSTILL FUCKED, I just don't care now. :D Also anyone else think Vivaxtrying not to get shot tonight is pretty cute? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Phoneposting Ok so if you assume B then the last 4 people to claim must be scum and survivor right? Makes sense right JJD? And as far as being fucked goes, IMSTILL FUCKED, I just don't care now. :D Also anyone else think Vivaxtrying not to get shot tonight is pretty cute? That's not what Vivax is doing. Also stop with the martyring, it's irritating. If you're survivor you have an ok chance of winning this still. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
There are some roles I know about. Likewise I'm assuming scum were given some roles they know about. I was worried at first we were given some overlap but after I originally claimed that proved not to be true. They didn't know if there was a donowitz and LIKELY didn't know if I existed (though the RB claim probably gave that away since I'm not scum) | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Its funny I know I said earlier that no one would hold it afainst JJD whoever he voted. He seems to be REALLY convinced that I'm scum so why not just vote? Vivax did with basically zero reason and zero care and no one really got on him about it much. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and abou fakeclaims: There are some roles I know about. Likewise I'm assuming scum were given some roles they know about. I was worried at first we were given some overlap but after I originally claimed that proved not to be true. They didn't know if there was a donowitz and LIKELY didn't know if I existed (though the RB claim probably gave that away since I'm not scum) By "there are some roles I know about" do you mean "I know these roles are present in the game"? And only some? Were you told Donowitz was safe? Is that the only one you were told was safe? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Its annoying. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:16 marvellosity wrote: Assuming JKPerhaps, seems not unlikely that they were told "here's 3 fakeclaims for the 3 of you, claim outside of these at your peril" or some such. I don't know exactly. Either way the b) / a) thing holds pretty much true, don't you think? - 12 people in the game, 8 townies, 1 3rd party - 12 town roles and 1 3rd party so there are 4 "free" town roles left. Mafia was given those 4 roles to fakeclaim or maybe they're only given 3. Either way, they know that those roles are not in the game right? So if Donny was one of those roles then they'd immediately know that WoS was lying. What am I missing? And also this goes hand in hand with the whole "other information" thing he alluded to. There are only 4 "free" roles, exactly enough for 1 JK and 3 mafia. Do you think that igrok gave Scum and 3rd party the same role to fakeclaim? And like you said, he gave the 3rd party a vigilante claim? Really? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Neither of them can confirm it. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:37 JarJarDrinks wrote: Assuming JK - 12 people in the game, 8 townies, 1 3rd party - 12 town roles and 1 3rd party so there are 4 "free" town roles left. Mafia was given those 4 roles to fakeclaim or maybe they're only given 3. Either way, they know that those roles are not in the game right? So if Donny was one of those roles then they'd immediately know that WoS was lying. What am I missing? And also this goes hand in hand with the whole "other information" thing he alluded to. There are only 4 "free" roles, exactly enough for 1 JK and 3 mafia. Do you think that igrok gave Scum and 3rd party the same role to fakeclaim? And like you said, he gave the 3rd party a vigilante claim? Really? To the bold. The scenario would be like... mafia have 3 roles to fakeclaim, say some VT role, a miller, and a blue role (not vigilante). Survivor was given vigilante. So there are the perfect number of roles, EXCEPT that one of them is miller, and claiming miller after day 1 is tantamount to suicide. So only survivor is left. As for fake-vigilante claim... yeah that's weird as fuck. Then again it would be weird as fuck for mafia as well. I still find this evidently more believable than mafia being left totally out in the cold and not being able to claim anything ever. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: See it wasn't the fact the he had to claim. It was the fact that he had no role to claim. As evidenced by the fact that he claims that igrok helped rectify his problem.Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. So try again | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
You're right though Oats there's not much more to say on the matter. I'm not allowed to talk about what other role info I wss given. You guys make your decision and ill see you around fliptime unless anyone has anything specific for me. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol why do you think I felt fucked when given a vigi claim? You're right though Oats there's not much more to say on the matter. I'm not allowed to talk about what other role info I wss given. You guys make your decision and ill see you around fliptime unless anyone has anything specific for me. but you were only given one safeclaim? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Effectively the answer is yes. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 04 2013 23:52 WaveofShadow wrote: To answer that question is really toeing the line. Effectively the answer is yes. From this I'm extrapolating you know, at least partly, what fakeclaims mafia were given. And thus you know who mafia are. Which stops making sense. Sigh. | ||
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