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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 15:15 GMT
#1821
Lying isnt against the rules.

Lol.
But yeah I agree with Marv, in my experience, too dickish if its mafia is a good heuristic.

JJD, lets say if you claim you die. Town says mass claim d2. Do you feel fucked?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 15:16 GMT
#1822
On July 05 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lying isnt against the rules.

Lol.
But yeah I agree with Marv, in my experience, too dickish if its mafia is a good heuristic.

JJD, lets say if you claim you die. Town says mass claim d2. Do you feel fucked?


Lying isn't the same as lying about what hosts told you. In my opinion at least.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 15:16 GMT
#1823
Like that I almost got modkilled for lying about iGrok said? Ok yeah I get it. Not what I did though. And no I definitely wouldn't do that as scum.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 15:17 GMT
#1824
On July 05 2013 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lying isnt against the rules.

Lol.
But yeah I agree with Marv, in my experience, too dickish if its mafia is a good heuristic.

JJD, lets say if you claim you die. Town says mass claim d2. Do you feel fucked?


Lying isn't the same as lying about what hosts told you. In my opinion at least.

It works once and everyone feels like you are a dick if you win with it.
But mafia doesnt think about stuff like that.

hmm next mafia game, lie about what the host gave me. good idea.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 15:20 GMT
#1825
It's a terrible idea because a whole bunch of people would never play with you again
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 15:20 GMT
#1826
Anyway I think I'm feeling about as good about this lynch as I'm going to. So let's see how it goes.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 15:22 GMT
#1827
On July 05 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
JJD, lets say if you claim you die. Town says mass claim d2. Do you feel fucked?
Holy shit read my posts. Yes I feel fucked. BUT THAT'S NOT WHY WOS SAID HE FELT FUCKED
On July 04 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 23:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Gumshoe, answer me this:

Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked?

Because if he claims, he CANNOT WIN.
Nope, that's not why he said he was fucked. See here:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own.
See it wasn't the fact the he had to claim. It was the fact that he had no role to claim. As evidenced by the fact that he claims that igrok helped rectify his problem.

So try again
Look @ what I just quoted and tell me. Do you think WoS had a role to fakeclaim when the subject of mass claiming came up?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 15:23 GMT
#1828
What?
No I dont.
Which is why he felt fucked.

:>????
No gg, No skill.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 04 2013 15:23 GMT
#1829
On July 05 2013 00:12 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 23:56 gumshoe wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Gumshoe, answer me this:

Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked?


Assume your survivor, you can hope town will mislynch today but if your not an idiot you need to account for all possible scenarios and you need to account for them right now(at the time of the claim). What if they successfully lynch(they still hold the majority no matter what)? What if scum tonight sees you as a threat because you were forced to vote with town and role blocks/shoots in order to make theyre kps unblockable, just to be sure. Or what if town lynches you tommorow because they cant find scum and they dont trust you. Yes WOS could skate by and win today, but hes just flipping a coin then. Point is he has to make his call at the start of day 2, he cant just withhold his role and pray, he needs to fake claim or true claim BEFORE he knows how things are going to happen. He tried to make a play that would account for all possibilities, potentially scaring off or appeasing scum (the claim of a role block on him would imply survivor is still out they're, or it would tell them thats hes trying to screw over town by breeding chaos) and maybe convincing town hes actually blue. Sadly it did not work, but the attempt is clearly they're.

The point is, once WOS admits hes survivor he surrenders control of his own fate, wether or not town lynch him or scum shoot him is out of his hands. WOS played the only move left to him, secure in the knowledge that he could always reclaim survivor and admit that fake names are in the game. He took the risk cause why not, he knows town will be hesitant to shoot survivor, that is if hes the only claim. What he didn't account for was that scum would be forced to steal his role, he should have known the alternative was miller, that was his biggest mistake, but a believable one in comparison to what others, yourself included, in this thread would have town believe. The point is WOS's play is indicative of someone who is a struggling third party forced to play the only card in his hand. Comparatively Fuba implies that his revealing survivor means nothing and is uneventful, he acts pretty much like a leaf in the wind, he also claims that scum would receive fake roles but he wouldn't... which is just stupid. Fuba's play looks like fake survivor in the same way that his play as town looked like fake town. What it all basically comes down to is the realization that third party play must look distinct from scum or town, WOS's does, tell me what about Fuba's posting has changed since he claimed? Nothing, because hes not survivor.
Lots of words that pretty much equate to the same thing Oats said. Here's my response:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On July 04 2013 23:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@Gumshoe, answer me this:

Why do you think WoS said that he felt absolutely fucked?

Because if he claims, he CANNOT WIN.
Nope, that's not why he said he was fucked. See here:
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own.
See it wasn't the fact the he had to claim. It was the fact that he had no role to claim. As evidenced by the fact that he claims that igrok helped rectify his problem.

So try again



Oats is sheeping me right now : P, his opinion is a result of mine that was formed a while back that included ALL THE WORDS. Your basically saying meh to my argument, which is fine, everyone whose opinion I care about ( except Vivax ) : ) agrees with me. So I'm done saying the same thing over and over. Your not convincing anyone Fuba isn't scum, though I'm not sure if thats what your even trying to do. All this will accomplish is make it really really easy tomorrow to lynch you.

Also wheres Lazer monkey?

gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 15:25 GMT
#1830
Where is Lazer indeed.

JJD, you don't agree with me that it would be a dick move to lie about what the hosts told you you could and couldn't say?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 15:26 GMT
#1831
On July 05 2013 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
What?
No I dont.
Which is why he felt fucked.

:>????
This has been my point from the getgo. He totally 180ed on that and started talking about not remembering and missing timestamps.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 15:26 GMT
#1832
Same question for you gumshoe:

Do you think WoS had a role to fakeclaim when the subject of mass claiming came up?
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 15:26 GMT
#1833
On July 05 2013 00:26 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
What?
No I dont.
Which is why he felt fucked.

:>????
This has been my point from the getgo. He totally 180ed on that and started talking about not remembering and missing timestamps.

2 lines about your point.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 15:27 GMT
#1834
I dont understand.
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 15:28 GMT
#1835
Eh, I wouldn't be so sure JJD is scum just because of this.
Ooo! Ooo! I thought of another reason I'm likely fucked though. After he flips the argument will eventually be brought up that both me and Fuba could have been scum so maybe scum WON'T NK me and leave it to you guys to confirm it.

C'est la vie.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 15:29 GMT
#1836
this play is way too fucking dumb for both of you to be scum.
No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 15:31 GMT
#1837
On July 05 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
JJD, you don't agree with me that it would be a dick move to lie about what the hosts told you you could and couldn't say?
Yes. That doesn't mean I don't think it's the only thing that makes sense.

The biggest dick move would be if you were both scum and you were trying to save him by saying that he wouldn't do this because it's a dick move.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 15:32 GMT
#1838
On July 05 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
JJD, you don't agree with me that it would be a dick move to lie about what the hosts told you you could and couldn't say?
Yes. That doesn't mean I don't think it's the only thing that makes sense.

The biggest dick move would be if you were both scum and you were trying to save him by saying that he wouldn't do this because it's a dick move.


Well, you'll have to reasonably explain to me that WoS as a person would indulge in lying about what the hosts told him if you want me to even entertain your argument about him being mafia.

Can you do that?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 15:34 GMT
#1839
On July 05 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 05 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
JJD, you don't agree with me that it would be a dick move to lie about what the hosts told you you could and couldn't say?
Yes. That doesn't mean I don't think it's the only thing that makes sense.

The biggest dick move would be if you were both scum and you were trying to save him by saying that he wouldn't do this because it's a dick move.


Well, you'll have to reasonably explain to me that WoS as a person would indulge in lying about what the hosts told him if you want me to even entertain your argument about him being mafia.

Can you do that?

Oh snap.
JJD you played on a fucking TEAM with me as scum.
Do you think that's how I'd play?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 04 2013 15:36 GMT
#1840
On July 05 2013 00:26 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Same question for you gumshoe:

Do you think WoS had a role to fakeclaim when the subject of mass claiming came up?


I think hes had a fake claim since the pause, so have scum. I think hes shoddy about the details, on 180ing and what not, because hes the walking the fine line of not pissing off town and not pissing off scum.

He COULD NOT claim before the mass claim, because his fake was vig. He could assume that every other scum player had a valid claim, which means he would be unable of claiming anything other than vig with out pissing someone off. If a scum is lynched as a direct result of WOS's actions you can be sure they'll regard him as just any other hyper powered townie, which is why I feel he dies tonight.

Furthermore he could not claim before the mass claim because his role was vig, if he does claim then town gets on his case and hes either considered scum or hes outed. The fact that you find inconsistencies in his posting is not wrong, because he has no obligation to tell the truth, town is unlikely to lynch him so long as scum are on the table. His only threat is getting rbed and shot tonight.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
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