Basterd Mini Mafia - Page 92

On July 05 2013 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lying isnt against the rules.

Lol.
But yeah I agree with Marv, in my experience, too dickish if its mafia is a good heuristic.

JJD, lets say if you claim you die. Town says mass claim d2. Do you feel fucked?

On July 04 2013 23:23 Oatsmaster wrote:

Because if he claims, he CANNOT WIN.

On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own.

On July 04 2013 23:56 gumshoe wrote:


Assume your survivor, you can hope town will mislynch today but if your not an idiot you need to account for all possible scenarios and you need to account for them right now(at the time of the claim). What if they successfully lynch(they still hold the majority no matter what)? What if scum tonight sees you as a threat because you were forced to vote with town and role blocks/shoots in order to make theyre kps unblockable, just to be sure. Or what if town lynches you tommorow because they cant find scum and they dont trust you. Yes WOS could skate by and win today, but hes just flipping a coin then. Point is he has to make his call at the start of day 2, he cant just withhold his role and pray, he needs to fake claim or true claim BEFORE he knows how things are going to happen. He tried to make a play that would account for all possibilities, potentially scaring off or appeasing scum (the claim of a role block on him would imply survivor is still out they're, or it would tell them thats hes trying to screw over town by breeding chaos) and maybe convincing town hes actually blue. Sadly it did not work, but the attempt is clearly they're.

The point is, once WOS admits hes survivor he surrenders control of his own fate, wether or not town lynch him or scum shoot him is out of his hands. WOS played the only move left to him, secure in the knowledge that he could always reclaim survivor and admit that fake names are in the game. He took the risk cause why not, he knows town will be hesitant to shoot survivor, that is if hes the only claim. What he didn't account for was that scum would be forced to steal his role, he should have known the alternative was miller, that was his biggest mistake, but a believable one in comparison to what others, yourself included, in this thread would have town believe. The point is WOS's play is indicative of someone who is a struggling third party forced to play the only card in his hand. Comparatively Fuba implies that his revealing survivor means nothing and is uneventful, he acts pretty much like a leaf in the wind, he also claims that scum would receive fake roles but he wouldn't... which is just stupid. Fuba's play looks like fake survivor in the same way that his play as town looked like fake town. What it all basically comes down to is the realization that third party play must look distinct from scum or town, WOS's does, tell me what about Fuba's posting has changed since he claimed? Nothing, because hes not survivor.

On July 04 2013 23:41 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Nope, that's not why he said he was fucked. See here:See it wasn't the fact the he had to claim. It was the fact that he had no role to claim. As evidenced by the fact that he claims that igrok helped rectify his problem.

So try again

On July 05 2013 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
What?
No I dont.
Which is why he felt fucked.

:>????

On July 05 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote:
JJD, you don't agree with me that it would be a dick move to lie about what the hosts told you you could and couldn't say?

On July 05 2013 00:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Yes. That doesn't mean I don't think it's the only thing that makes sense.

The biggest dick move would be if you were both scum and you were trying to save him by saying that he wouldn't do this because it's a dick move.