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I'm the survivor. I don't give a shit about hunting scum,
Wrong, you need to stay alive, and scumhunting helps you at that when you claim your role to town.
Pointing to fuba being scum immediately would have been your chance to show some good will and not get lynched when counterclaiming.
With your posts not showing that, you show lack of the mindset of someone knowing that someone fakeclaimed.
You should have known that whoever gets lynched first, the other would have been proven a liar.
You didn't act according to that knowledge.
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Yea, in that spot I could see survivor being the choice. I still feel like I'd have CC'd a scummate just to be a boss though ;D
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On July 05 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
well Vivax, fuba isnt doing the WoS is scum thing either.
Fuba didn't know if WoS was fakeclaiming, whether he's lying or not.
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On July 05 2013 01:14 Vivax wrote:Wrong, you need to stay alive, and scumhunting helps you at that when you claim your role to town. Pointing to fuba being scum immediately would have been your chance to show some good will and not get lynched when counterclaiming. With your posts not showing that, you show lack of the mindset of someone knowing that someone fakeclaimed. You should have known that whoever gets lynched first, the other would have been proven a liar. You didn't act according to that knowledge.
He did, it's in the post you quoted yourself.
On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad
Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes
scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen
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On July 05 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 01:12 s0Lstice wrote:On July 05 2013 01:02 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor. I think counterclaiming a team-mate is genius btw. It does guarantee a scum-lynch day 2 and the subsequent reduction of kp though, also the lynch between WoS and fuba today wasn't a certain thing one way or another. Keeping the 2 KP is pretty important. Survivor claim is unique in that it gives scum team the option of keeping all their members, as well as the possibility of getting the lynch onto a townie today and winning. yeah. so why do you tihnk we should be discussing that again? 
I was trying to get a handle on how attractive each of those options was. Thinking out loud. If CCing a teammate is the optimal play despite going down a KP, then it muddies the waters a bit. I think though that the survivor claim has enough juice that scum could have decided to go that route.
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On July 05 2013 01:14 Vivax wrote:Wrong, you need to stay alive, and scumhunting helps you at that when you claim your role to town. Pointing to fuba being scum immediately would have been your chance to show some good will and not get lynched when counterclaiming. With your posts not showing that, you show lack of the mindset of someone knowing that someone fakeclaimed. You should have known that whoever gets lynched first, the other would have been proven a liar.You didn't act according to that knowledge.
I DO know that, I just don't think my chances of winning this game are any higher either way.
Gogo Vivax, lose town the game! Convince them to lose!
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On July 05 2013 01:16 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 01:12 s0Lstice wrote:On July 05 2013 01:02 marvellosity wrote:On July 05 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor. I think counterclaiming a team-mate is genius btw. It does guarantee a scum-lynch day 2 and the subsequent reduction of kp though, also the lynch between WoS and fuba today wasn't a certain thing one way or another. Keeping the 2 KP is pretty important. Survivor claim is unique in that it gives scum team the option of keeping all their members, as well as the possibility of getting the lynch onto a townie today and winning. yeah. so why do you tihnk we should be discussing that again? I was trying to get a handle on how attractive each of those options was. Thinking out loud. If CCing a teammate is the optimal play despite going down a KP, then it muddies the waters a bit. I think though that the survivor claim has enough juice that scum could have decided to go that route.
It doesn't muddy the waters, at least from my perspective. The 'dick-move' analysis is comprehensive for me.
I notice JJD hasn't been able to come back and respond to my question about it. That's because I don't think there IS a good answer.
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Can 'dick-move' analysis be a thing?
I want to bring it up in future games and have people just know what I'm talking about like the kenpachi rule and shit.
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Sure I'll drag up various examples at some point too xD
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On July 05 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
well Vivax, fuba isnt doing the WoS is scum thing either. Fuba didn't know if WoS was fakeclaiming, whether he's lying or not.
whattttttttt???????????????
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Fuba's claim is the real one.
My bet is placed.
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On July 05 2013 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:On July 05 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
well Vivax, fuba isnt doing the WoS is scum thing either. Fuba didn't know if WoS was fakeclaiming, whether he's lying or not. whattttttttt???????????????
If you're survivor and the guy before you fakeclaims vigi, you don't know if he's vigi or scum.
But if you're survivor and the guy fakeclaims survivor, you know he's scum.
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On July 05 2013 01:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 05 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:On July 05 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
well Vivax, fuba isnt doing the WoS is scum thing either. Fuba didn't know if WoS was fakeclaiming, whether he's lying or not. whattttttttt??????????????? If you're survivor and the guy before you fakeclaims vigi, you don't know if he's vigi or scum. But if you're survivor and the guy fakeclaims survivor, you know he's scum.
Ok let me get this straight.
WoS claims survivor and doesnt call Fuba scum and therefore WoS is scum.
Fuba claims survivor and doesnt call WoS scum and therefore WoS is scum.
How does this make ANY SENSE Vivax?
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I don't even care if Vivax is wrong or right, what I hate is that he won't enter a dialogue.
Like does he agree/disagree with me about the 'dick move' thing? Why not comment on it as he clearly disagrees with my analysis?
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On July 05 2013 01:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 01:24 Vivax wrote:On July 05 2013 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 05 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:On July 05 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
well Vivax, fuba isnt doing the WoS is scum thing either. Fuba didn't know if WoS was fakeclaiming, whether he's lying or not. whattttttttt??????????????? If you're survivor and the guy before you fakeclaims vigi, you don't know if he's vigi or scum. But if you're survivor and the guy fakeclaims survivor, you know he's scum. Ok let me get this straight. WoS claims survivor and doesnt call Fuba scum and therefore WoS is scum. Fuba claims survivor and doesnt call WoS scum and therefore WoS is scum. How does this make ANY SENSE Vivax?
Who cares. I didn't see the part WoS wrote anyway, and I already posted all I had to post to bring my point across.
Tell me why you think which one of them is more likely if you want.
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Not going to be around much today.
Just to be safe in case I'm not around by the deadline
##vote: mkfuba
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On July 05 2013 01:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 01:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 05 2013 01:24 Vivax wrote:On July 05 2013 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 05 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:On July 05 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
well Vivax, fuba isnt doing the WoS is scum thing either. Fuba didn't know if WoS was fakeclaiming, whether he's lying or not. whattttttttt??????????????? If you're survivor and the guy before you fakeclaims vigi, you don't know if he's vigi or scum. But if you're survivor and the guy fakeclaims survivor, you know he's scum. Ok let me get this straight. WoS claims survivor and doesnt call Fuba scum and therefore WoS is scum. Fuba claims survivor and doesnt call WoS scum and therefore WoS is scum. How does this make ANY SENSE Vivax? Who cares. I didn't see the part WoS wrote anyway, and I already posted all I had to post to bring my point across. Tell me why you think which one of them is more likely if you want.
Apparently you cared.
If you dont wanna play, then dont.
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On July 05 2013 01:36 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2013 01:33 Vivax wrote:On July 05 2013 01:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 05 2013 01:24 Vivax wrote:On July 05 2013 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 05 2013 01:15 Vivax wrote:On July 05 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
well Vivax, fuba isnt doing the WoS is scum thing either. Fuba didn't know if WoS was fakeclaiming, whether he's lying or not. whattttttttt??????????????? If you're survivor and the guy before you fakeclaims vigi, you don't know if he's vigi or scum. But if you're survivor and the guy fakeclaims survivor, you know he's scum. Ok let me get this straight. WoS claims survivor and doesnt call Fuba scum and therefore WoS is scum. Fuba claims survivor and doesnt call WoS scum and therefore WoS is scum. How does this make ANY SENSE Vivax? Who cares. I didn't see the part WoS wrote anyway, and I already posted all I had to post to bring my point across. Tell me why you think which one of them is more likely if you want. Apparently you cared. If you dont wanna play, then dont.
Question: Why would scumfuba say he got no fakeclaims?
Scum say things for a purpose.
It's a little thing, but it's one of those little things that makes me confident he isn't scum.
I see it as a real survivor laying out all cards he has left in the hand.
Marv and Wos instead are fueling the theory that scum knew the setup and hence got fakeclaims, so they can sway the lynch from WoS.
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You have huge confirmation Bias Vivax.
Remember Personality 2.
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Vivax, please feel free to debunk my dick-move analysis. I positively welcome it if you have a different angle.
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