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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 15:37 GMT
#1841
WoS, did you really get RBed?
If not, I assume scum dont have a RB
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 15:38 GMT
#1842
That reminds me. Who did you jail, WoS?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 04 2013 15:42 GMT
#1843
Ebwop something wrong with the third para on my last post, point is still they're though.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 15:44 GMT
#1844
I didn't jail anyone. I think I said as much in my big post but maybe I forgot.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 15:46 GMT
#1845
It's possible I actually got RBed lol but since I didn't do anything I wouldn't know.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 15:48 GMT
#1846
Right, so no-one from last night would even know if they got rb'ed, so we can't possibly know right now if there is a roleblocker. I'd guess there was though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 15:51 GMT
#1847
oh no notifications for RBs. huh.

Why didnt you jail anybody WoS?
No gg, No skill.
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 04 2013 15:52 GMT
#1848
On July 05 2013 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway I think I'm feeling about as good about this lynch as I'm going to. So let's see how it goes.


This is basically where I'm at too.

I also think that WoS legitimately thought that he was fucked, and hence just didn't have the fight in him to make an attempt at winning with scum today by getting a townie lynched.

Just general attitudes though as well. Oats I think said this. Fuba's postings don't line up with the narrative he is pushing here.
ATOBTTR
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 04 2013 15:55 GMT
#1849
Hihi, apologies for being absent so long but RL is RL...

Catching up now!
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 04 2013 15:58 GMT
#1850
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor.
ATOBTTR
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 16:00 GMT
#1851
well I assume he didnt know who the survivor was and thought that he wont be counterclaimed.
No gg, No skill.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 16:02 GMT
#1852
On July 05 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor.

Or at least a weaker player than me.
/flex

Why didn't I jail anyone? Again I think I wrote it in my big post---selfishness and trying to get it so that neither scum nor town could afford to kill me. Didn't want to go preventing any town deaths now did I?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 16:02 GMT
#1853
On July 05 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor.


I think counterclaiming a team-mate is genius btw. It does guarantee a scum-lynch day 2 and the subsequent reduction of kp though, also the lynch between WoS and fuba today wasn't a certain thing one way or another.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 16:04 GMT
#1854
I actually wonder about if scum knew I was 3P from the time I claimed or not. I have reason to believe they might have, but they also might not have. It essentially comes down to which roles THEY were given info about, and I don't know what they were given aside from their 3 fakeclaims, if anything.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 04 2013 16:07 GMT
#1855
On July 05 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
well I assume he didnt know who the survivor was and thought that he wont be counterclaimed.


scum team had to be thinking strongly that WoS was survivor. WoS explained the overtures he was making to them.
ATOBTTR
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22407 Posts
July 04 2013 16:08 GMT
#1856
Look, it's really not hard to find out who the liar is.
See the time of fuba's claim?
See the first posts from WoS since that happened?

Is he communicating in any way that he's SURE that fuba must be scum cause of the alleged survivor fakeclaim?
No, cause WoS made up the whole fucking story. He's scum.

On July 03 2013 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll be back later on after my guy's first nightfeed.
Oats for the record I think your original idea made the most sense but now I don't know what to do about the hole gumshoe has climbed into. We should at least start looking into which of the greens are the most scummy and then we can decide later on if it makes more sense to lynch blue or green. (It might make more sense to lynch blue due to simple probability but as you said it might work itself out through N2 actions so I'm not sure.)


On July 03 2013 17:19 mkfuba07 wrote:
Sorry for getting back so late, but it looks like a lot of you figured out my role already. I'm Hans Landa - German Survivor Jailkeeper. No jail last night, since it really didn't look like I was going to be NK'd, and after that shitstorm with marv/rayn/lazer/etc there were likely better vigi shots. If WoS is telling the truth, then it looks like scum has a roleblocker and saw him as possibly blue. If he's lying, then... he's scum.

To make up for the Vayne lynch a bit (that came way too close for me :S), I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one, since this setup makes massclaims really likely, and it feels like it's gonna be really hard to walk that line between town and scum.

Oh yeah, marv, I thought I responded to your questions in my nested post. You asked what the contradictions were, and I answered it, and you asked what the "possibly scummy but sometimes townie" elements of stutters' filter were, and I answered that too. Lemme know if there's something else I missed. And if you could actually comment on what I wrote, that'd be great, instead of doing what everyone apparently does with my posts and skimming it, saying nothing, and pulling it out when they're strarving for scumreads.

Also, though I didn't have time or necessarily the inclination to comment on it before, I'm pretty reasonably convinced you're town. Rayn's later posts about you were giving me a similar feeling to the post by oats I brought up earlier regarding rayn himself. There was an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on that even I could see, and I agreed with him that in that situation it was scummy for you to be suspicious of lazer. I also think your responses were in line with townie marv. I can't explain away the main reason for the scumread, since I still think the logic is for the most part sound, but with the clusterfuck of claims this thread's become at the moment, it's hard to analyze anything clearly.

It *is* clear, however, that there's something fishy going on with the claims, though I cba to find out what it is at the moment. I haven't slept in almost 48 hours, my brain is slowing to the speed of a snail, and I almost passed out 4 5 times while writing this post. I'll be back tomorrow, gonna need like half a day of sleep... Read what I wrote about stutters, and tell me what's actually wrong with the reasoning (not just marv, but anyone who actually disagrees with it).



On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad

Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes

scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen


On July 04 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
so nice not to have to lie anymore. hell i didnt even lie this much when i was scum


On July 04 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
so nice not to have to lie anymore. hell i didnt even lie this much when i was scum


On July 04 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:
On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad

Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes

scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen


Could really do with you explaining your terribad shot on me if you're town, dear.

oh im not.


This is his actual vote explanation, it's not HEY GUYS FUBA IS SCUM, it's "well, I'll simply vote the other lynch option".

On July 04 2013 06:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and I suppose while we're at it, a lady does need to stay alive, too.
##Unvote
##Vote: fuba dooba

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 16:10 GMT
#1857
On July 05 2013 01:08 Vivax wrote:
Look, it's really not hard to find out who the liar is.
See the time of fuba's claim?
See the first posts from WoS since that happened?

Is he communicating in any way that he's SURE that fuba must be scum cause of the alleged survivor fakeclaim?
No, cause WoS made up the whole fucking story. He's scum.

Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 10:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'll be back later on after my guy's first nightfeed.
Oats for the record I think your original idea made the most sense but now I don't know what to do about the hole gumshoe has climbed into. We should at least start looking into which of the greens are the most scummy and then we can decide later on if it makes more sense to lynch blue or green. (It might make more sense to lynch blue due to simple probability but as you said it might work itself out through N2 actions so I'm not sure.)


Show nested quote +
On July 03 2013 17:19 mkfuba07 wrote:
Sorry for getting back so late, but it looks like a lot of you figured out my role already. I'm Hans Landa - German Survivor Jailkeeper. No jail last night, since it really didn't look like I was going to be NK'd, and after that shitstorm with marv/rayn/lazer/etc there were likely better vigi shots. If WoS is telling the truth, then it looks like scum has a roleblocker and saw him as possibly blue. If he's lying, then... he's scum.

To make up for the Vayne lynch a bit (that came way too close for me :S), I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one, since this setup makes massclaims really likely, and it feels like it's gonna be really hard to walk that line between town and scum.

Oh yeah, marv, I thought I responded to your questions in my nested post. You asked what the contradictions were, and I answered it, and you asked what the "possibly scummy but sometimes townie" elements of stutters' filter were, and I answered that too. Lemme know if there's something else I missed. And if you could actually comment on what I wrote, that'd be great, instead of doing what everyone apparently does with my posts and skimming it, saying nothing, and pulling it out when they're strarving for scumreads.

Also, though I didn't have time or necessarily the inclination to comment on it before, I'm pretty reasonably convinced you're town. Rayn's later posts about you were giving me a similar feeling to the post by oats I brought up earlier regarding rayn himself. There was an incredible amount of confirmation bias going on that even I could see, and I agreed with him that in that situation it was scummy for you to be suspicious of lazer. I also think your responses were in line with townie marv. I can't explain away the main reason for the scumread, since I still think the logic is for the most part sound, but with the clusterfuck of claims this thread's become at the moment, it's hard to analyze anything clearly.

It *is* clear, however, that there's something fishy going on with the claims, though I cba to find out what it is at the moment. I haven't slept in almost 48 hours, my brain is slowing to the speed of a snail, and I almost passed out 4 5 times while writing this post. I'll be back tomorrow, gonna need like half a day of sleep... Read what I wrote about stutters, and tell me what's actually wrong with the reasoning (not just marv, but anyone who actually disagrees with it).



Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad

Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes

scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen


Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
so nice not to have to lie anymore. hell i didnt even lie this much when i was scum


Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
so nice not to have to lie anymore. hell i didnt even lie this much when i was scum


Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 01:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On July 04 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:
On July 04 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phoneposting atm
awww nobody wants to react to my posting
makes me sad

Town:
Im dead anyway so I honestly couldnt care less if you guys want to hand the game to scum but id seriously consider hearing me out when the time comes

scumteam:
you forced me into this when I was trying to be all nice to you. i suppose you didnt have a choice considering fuba had to claim late and might have been lynched today especially if he took the miller claim but now you can be damn sure ill push for it.
that is of course unless town doesnt care about what i have to say in which case the games is yours gentlmen


Could really do with you explaining your terribad shot on me if you're town, dear.

oh im not.


This is his actual vote explanation, it's not HEY GUYS FUBA IS SCUM, it's "well, I'll simply vote the other lynch option".

Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 06:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and I suppose while we're at it, a lady does need to stay alive, too.
##Unvote
##Vote: fuba dooba


lol Vivax.
I'm the survivor. I don't give a shit about hunting scum, but I know fuba is scum because he claimed my role.
I'm voting him not because he is scum, but because voting him saves my life.

People overthink things like cray cray
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 04 2013 16:12 GMT
#1858
On July 05 2013 01:02 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor.


I think counterclaiming a team-mate is genius btw. It does guarantee a scum-lynch day 2 and the subsequent reduction of kp though, also the lynch between WoS and fuba today wasn't a certain thing one way or another.


Keeping the 2 KP is pretty important. Survivor claim is unique in that it gives scum team the option of keeping all their members, as well as the possibility of getting the lynch onto a townie today and winning.
ATOBTTR
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 16:12 GMT
#1859
well Vivax, fuba isnt doing the WoS is scum thing either.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 04 2013 16:13 GMT
#1860
On July 05 2013 01:12 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2013 01:02 marvellosity wrote:
On July 05 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
One other thing that is worth discussing (I've been following on my phone so I'm not sure it's been brought up) is how optimal would it have been for fuba (as scum) to CC one of the other roles? He could have chosen a townie and perhaps delayed his lynch by a day, or he could have even CC'd a teammate. I've been trying to put myself in his place, and I think I would have seriously considered this over going up against the survivor.


I think counterclaiming a team-mate is genius btw. It does guarantee a scum-lynch day 2 and the subsequent reduction of kp though, also the lynch between WoS and fuba today wasn't a certain thing one way or another.


Keeping the 2 KP is pretty important. Survivor claim is unique in that it gives scum team the option of keeping all their members, as well as the possibility of getting the lynch onto a townie today and winning.


yeah. so why do you tihnk we should be discussing that again?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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