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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 04 2013 03:30 GMT
#1701
On July 04 2013 12:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +
(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.)
This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well.
What's this last part mean?
Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here?


Not important, this feels like blue hunting. We do not need to press people on they're powers and private info.

Furthermore what about WOS's post exonerates you?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 03:30 GMT
#1702
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own.
The subject of name claiming came up AFTER the pause and after my claim. Therefore he got his role after.

Then he posted this too
Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok.

gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 04 2013 03:31 GMT
#1703
On July 04 2013 12:18 s0Lstice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 12:15 gumshoe wrote:
Jar Jar Solstic and Fuba, all here in force. All pretty much preaching the same tune. Cute.


Your smarm is not amusing in the least.


I apologize ) : that was not nice. I dont actually know what you are, but the company you seem to keep is somewhat alarming.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 03:36 GMT
#1704
wtf fuba?

No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 03:38 GMT
#1705
On July 04 2013 12:30 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 12:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +
(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.)
This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well.
What's this last part mean?
Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here?


Not important, this feels like blue hunting. We do not need to press people on they're powers and private info.

Furthermore what about WOS's post exonerates you?
Actually it's a big deal. If he was given more then 1 role to fakeclaim then wouldn't he know right now that someone is lying?

And how the F could I be blue hunting after a mass roleclaim?
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 04 2013 03:40 GMT
#1706
On July 04 2013 12:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own.
The subject of name claiming came up AFTER the pause and after my claim. Therefore he got his role after.

Then he posted this too
Show nested quote +
Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok.



Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh.


I posted this once already, it's on page 84. Dont make me post it again. Also I highly doubt the big kerfuffle had to do with anything other than the claims. Mass claim is the big balance problem with this setup, also I grok requested pms from everyone. The only thing worthy of breaking the game and needing a pause would be Dandel forgetting fake claims. Now does this mean that your scum? No, but it means your claim is no longer bullet proof and neither is Lazers. I would apreciate if you stop treating is as such.

gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 04 2013 03:43 GMT
#1707
On July 04 2013 12:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 12:30 gumshoe wrote:
On July 04 2013 12:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +
(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.)
This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well.
What's this last part mean?
Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here?


Not important, this feels like blue hunting. We do not need to press people on they're powers and private info.

Furthermore what about WOS's post exonerates you?
Actually it's a big deal. If he was given more then 1 role to fakeclaim then wouldn't he know right now that someone is lying?

And how the F could I be blue hunting after a mass roleclaim?


I'm saying it's like blue hunting. For better or worse WOS is pretty much our blue right now. Also he knows info on other roles, not whose scum exactly. Furthermore why screw scum even more?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 04 2013 03:44 GMT
#1708
On July 04 2013 12:38 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 12:30 gumshoe wrote:
On July 04 2013 12:23 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 04 2013 12:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +
(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.)
This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well.
What's this last part mean?
Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here?


Not important, this feels like blue hunting. We do not need to press people on they're powers and private info.

Furthermore what about WOS's post exonerates you?
Actually it's a big deal. If he was given more then 1 role to fakeclaim then wouldn't he know right now that someone is lying?

And how the F could I be blue hunting after a mass roleclaim?


And I'm not discussing it with you anymore, scum could benefit from such knowledge.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
July 04 2013 03:45 GMT
#1709
I'm over posting right now T_T I'm sorry, doesn't feel fair. I'm off to bed. Jar Jar at the very least can you admit to lynching Fuba tomorrow?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 04 2013 03:47 GMT
#1710
On July 04 2013 12:31 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 12:18 s0Lstice wrote:
On July 04 2013 12:15 gumshoe wrote:
Jar Jar Solstic and Fuba, all here in force. All pretty much preaching the same tune. Cute.


Your smarm is not amusing in the least.


I apologize ) : that was not nice. I dont actually know what you are, but the company you seem to keep is somewhat alarming.


yea I get that, but I don't care. I want to get this lynch right. one thing that I keep kicking around is that survivor WoS' shortest path to victory just before when he renounced his vigi claim was with scum (I think? lynching a townie today would put us at 5-3-1-->3-3-1 after NKs). I feel like this should have been really attractive to him...enough to not claim his true role and try to get the lynch onto a townie.
ATOBTTR
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 04:04 GMT
#1711
kk back.
So it turns out I'm not allowed to specify beyond what I already have regarding the fakeclaims.
So....yeah.
I guess that's pretty convenient fodder for all dem hataz but I don't really care. I'm pretty sure the relevant people know that I know shit.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 04 2013 04:05 GMT
#1712
oh cool, so you can answer what I just posed to gumshoe then?
ATOBTTR
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 04:09 GMT
#1713
I like fuba's excuses being like 'wave can talk circles around me'
I'm honoured you'd think so highly of me.
That goes for gumshoe too I guess. I wouldn't call my play brilliant in the slightest---marv was right it was selfish as fuck.
:D

On July 04 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
oh cool, so you can answer what I just posed to gumshoe then?

Ah I was just looking for that and couldn't remember where I read it lol.
After the massclaim and general thread sentiment towards me I don't think there's any way I would have been able to get a townie lynched. It would have been my ass on a platter 100%. Still may be but at least I don't have to tryhard or lie anymore.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 04:10 GMT
#1714
Oh and a random question for Vivax whenever he gets back, if he happens to read this.
How do you know that scum don't have Hitler, hmmm?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 04:20 GMT
#1715
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim?
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 04 2013 04:20 GMT
#1716
Yea, my gut says fuba. After reading over everything, the narrative just makes more sense for WoS as survivor. My read on WoS never really pinged off of 'he exists,' and fuba looked red around the D1 lynch, so that's heartening for me too. We got some time, so I'm gonna read it over again when I'm not so tired tomorrow...but fuba looks like the right lynch.

##vote fuba
ATOBTTR
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 04 2013 04:27 GMT
#1717
On July 04 2013 13:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim?


How does this affect you?
No gg, No skill.
JarJarDrinks
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1302 Posts
July 04 2013 04:34 GMT
#1718
If he's allowed to answer, I'll explain it
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 04 2013 04:34 GMT
#1719
On July 04 2013 13:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 13:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Wave, please clear this up. Did you get your fakeclaim during the pause or did you get them after I claimed and the town started talking mass claim?


How does this affect you?

Good question.
I'll answer JJD anyway; essentially upon writing my massive explanation I immediately remembered two people claimed way before everyone else. Since I was missing for much of D1 I thought that fakeclaim timing could maybe explain why you two claimed so early with respect to everyone else but I didn't bother to check timestamps or anything like that cuz lazy and it turns out I was probably wrong. As far as the timing of my fakeclaims I'm kind of hesitant to talk much more about shit iGrok and I talked about cuz against da rulez.

Let me make it real easy for you JJD. Vote me if you think I'm scum, vote Fuba if you think he's scum. I don't think anyone will hold it against you either way so you don't need to write a long essay about how I got caught in a slip or some shit because I honestly couldn't care any less.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
July 04 2013 04:36 GMT
#1720
On July 04 2013 12:12 s0Lstice wrote:
uuuugh I have such an aversion to this claim analyzing stuff.

fuba...did you start the game with the intention to play pro-town?

My town play *is* survivor play, but with half the win conditions. My main motivation is not to be mislynched first, then finding scum. So you could say that this game I intended to play like a townie, but wouldn't mind if scum won. But this game moved faster than I was able to keep up with. Every second of my free time went towards catching up, and I've still never been able to go back and reread anything.

Feel like answering the question I asked you earlier?

On July 04 2013 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 12:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
On July 04 2013 11:10 gumshoe wrote:
Also Fuba was kind enough to say this much.

I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one


We have two survivors, one is playing remarkably passive considering how desperate his situation is, and is trying to come off as town. The other is doing everything he can to somehow survive both factions. One is telling us the game setup is effectively broken(no fake roles), yet 2 scum at least managed to snag they're claims with pretty much no difficulty. Hes aware of this despite the fact he should have no way of knowing what if any roles scum received. The other one is telling us the game was paused and nearly shut down for an actual reason... go figure.

Oh and both chose not to use they're power, really guys? Powers are they're to be used XD. Thats null though.

it's pretty clear now that Dandel Ion forget to hand out fake roles or something of the like in light of the huge early game kerfuful. WOS's story makes sense as crazy as a lot of it sounds because hes in a crazy position and it's a crazy game, so it is what it is I guess.

Fuba on the other hand is pretty much saying-

"nothing to see here fellow human".

I'm sorry Fuba ) : you got caught in a terrible position (having to claim miller) and similar to WOS, you had to make the best of it by stealing survivor. Sadly your still scum / : we are town, we lynch who we must.

I invite anyone to argue why Fuba makes more sense as survivor in light of the events that have shaken the very foundation of the game.

So both of us stole survivor? How 'bout that.


Hes survivor, when you saw survivor was untaken you took it, because the alternative was miller claim, which is terrible. You claiming Survivor was not a god send to him, him leaving survivor open was the godsend to you.

You know what, you're not the issue right now. But when WoS flips, I want town to remember that.

On July 04 2013 12:24 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2013 12:01 mkfuba07 wrote:

Im ignoring the middle part of this thread because it's a great big ball of whine and Wifom. This is fascinating though.

I don't see why a survivor would be fucked without a safeclaim. I certainly expected one, but not having it worked out alright until scum decided to save themselves with a fake. I also don't see why he would use the fakeclaim when he admits that he'll be fucked either way (and as for fakeclaims, clearly my opinion has shifted in light of recent events). Claim survivor, say you're not gonna use your power so that scum won't get mad at you, and scum have no reason to focus on you over anyone else. Town will still be suspicious, but you can make them believe you. As I said, it's a thin line to walk, but certainly less scummy than fakeclaiming vigi and then fakeclaiming survivor.


Whats changed your opinion on role claims Fuba? The only recent confirmation has come from WOS, but if hes scum, then why would he tell us that? Are you saying hes telling the truth in some regards? Were you lying about role claims originally? Also why the fuuck would survivor, the hardest role in this game(If you dont understand this your not town), not receive a secret role as well? Did WOS piss Igrok off before this game started? Why are you defending whats clearly a retarded position that you supposedly have to hold. You should be the one complaining seeing as your in the roughest spot, instead your what? Convincing us that third party isn't hard? Dont piss in my ear and tell me it's raining scum.



[quote]The scummiest thing I've done all game is not be available. That is the case against me. I've responded to everything stutters has said, and he's conveniently failed to care about any of it. I've answered all of marv's questions, and they've been ignored or uncommented on as well. My questions towards others have been ignored. It's really frustrating that I'm suddenly more suspicious than the fakeclaiming scum because I happened to be unavailable at the time of the mass claim. I didn't act any differently this game than I would have as a vt, because when I'm town I always last until the end of the game anyway (got vigi'd once, was sad). The claim didn't seem like a big deal to me because at that point, it wasn't. I'd had more than enough time to consider it since the idea of mass claiming had been brought up. All it meant was that I was going to have to keep acting like myself, but tell scum I wouldn't bother them. I really didn't expect a scum counterclaim, but it makes sense given the situation.


You mean not contributing? Only responding when they're is a case against you? Not scummy at all.

No, I mean not fucking being here. As explained above. Everything that's been said about me is a direct result of lack of time. And what the fuck do you mean you removed the "whine and wifom"? You removed the explanation for why scum WoS would counterclaim me. It's significant because it's my perspective on the situation, and you ignored it.

Whats changed your opinion on role claims Fuba? The only recent confirmation has come from WOS, but if hes scum, then why would he tell us that? Are you saying hes telling the truth in some regards? Were you lying about role claims originally? Also why the fuuck would survivor, the hardest role in this game(If you dont understand this your not town), not receive a secret role as well? Did WOS piss Igrok off before this game started? Why are you defending whats clearly a retarded position that you supposedly have to hold. You should be the one complaining seeing as your in the roughest spot, instead your what? Convincing us that third party isn't hard? Dont piss in my ear and tell me it's raining scum.

Because he clearly had a fucking safe claim? My god, how can you not see that? I think he *did* have the vigi fakeclaim, but it wasn't turning out as expected, so he jumped on me.
Yes, surprisingly scum can tell the truth, especially when the truth is obvious.
I'm not town.
I can't tell you why there was no safe claim for me (possibly because the only unclaimed role is miller?), and I didn't find the game all that difficult without one until this fakeclaim shit started.
And again, as I explained above, I play every game as a survivor that only wins if town wins. Survivor isn't all that much harder for me than town. I just had an extra power that I didn't end up using and would show up as german to cop checks.
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