I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one
We have two survivors, one is playing remarkably passive considering how desperate his situation is, and is trying to come off as town. The other is doing everything he can to somehow survive both factions. One is telling us the game setup is effectively broken(no fake roles), yet 2 scum at least managed to snag they're claims with pretty much no difficulty. Hes aware of this despite the fact he should have no way of knowing what if any roles scum received. The other one is telling us the game was paused and nearly shut down for an actual reason... go figure.
Oh and both chose not to use they're power, really guys? Powers are they're to be used XD. Thats null though.
it's pretty clear now that Dandel Ion forget to hand out fake roles or something of the like in light of the huge early game kerfuful. WOS's story makes sense as crazy as a lot of it sounds because hes in a crazy position and it's a crazy game, so it is what it is I guess.
Fuba on the other hand is pretty much saying-
"nothing to see here fellow human".
I'm sorry Fuba ) : you got caught in a terrible position (having to claim miller) and similar to WOS, you had to make the best of it by stealing survivor. Sadly your still scum / : we are town, we lynch who we must.
I invite anyone to argue why Fuba makes more sense as survivor in light of the events that have shaken the very foundation of the game.
On July 04 2013 11:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol like I want scum looking for more reasons to kill me. I'll just be an innocent bystander for a while, how about that?
My god WOS, you know what this means? You've given me the greatest gift of all! I CAN GO BACK TO MY JAR JAR READ!!!
God damn it gumshoe I went from liking your posting early to finding you annoying to really liking you again. It's a shame fuba is scum because he was pretty strong town in Roulette too.
As for speculation as to what happened on D1 with the hosts, I asked, they didn't tell me. You're probably right in that it's somehow related to the roleclaiming/gamebreaking business butyeah I dunno.
I didn't want to say so at the time but I definitely agree with those who said a mass rolelclaim kinda takes a little of the fun out of it, never mind the fact that it made the game very VERY difficult for me. I probably wouldn't have liked it as town either, but I suppose it's good experience to have as I've heard of this sort of thing happening before. Figures it's gotta be the first time I roll 3P.
I don't see why a survivor would be fucked without a safeclaim. I certainly expected one, but not having it worked out alright until scum decided to save themselves with a fake. I also don't see why he would use the fakeclaim when he admits that he'll be fucked either way (and as for fakeclaims, clearly my opinion has shifted in light of recent events). Claim survivor, say you're not gonna use your power so that scum won't get mad at you, and scum have no reason to focus on you over anyone else. Town will still be suspicious, but you can make them believe you. As I said, it's a thin line to walk, but certainly less scummy than fakeclaiming vigi and then fakeclaiming survivor.
Look at the flow of the thread up until he posted his dramatic/cryptic "to town/to scum" post. Thread sentiment is flowing pretty strongly towards a WoS lynch despite his vigi claim. What's the only role other than scum that a player would be reluctant to claim? And who was unable to be here at the time of the mass claim? Fuba the survivor. Just look at how completely convenient it is for him in this situation. If it wasn't for me being late to claim, and it being me who was doing it, he would have had to stick with his vigi claim and likely get lynched. WoS can talk circles around me any day, so he doesn't have to worry about me putting up a fight that he can't handle, and WoS is more than capable of acting townie for half a day to secure a mislynch (sorta) and an extra KP. Actually, it'll be two additional KP, because the next day will be spent lynching him. It also reduces the discussion for today to little more than the two of us, something that Roulette taught me is really shitty for town. The vigi claim was a last resort, but the survivor counterclaim was a opportunistic godsend.
The scummiest thing I've done all game is not be available. That is the case against me. I've responded to everything stutters has said, and he's conveniently failed to care about any of it. I've answered all of marv's questions, and they've been ignored or uncommented on as well. My questions towards others have been ignored. It's really frustrating that I'm suddenly more suspicious than the fakeclaiming scum because I happened to be unavailable at the time of the mass claim. I didn't act any differently this game than I would have as a vt, because when I'm town I always last until the end of the game anyway (got vigi'd once, was sad). The claim didn't seem like a big deal to me because at that point, it wasn't. I'd had more than enough time to consider it since the idea of mass claiming had been brought up. All it meant was that I was going to have to keep acting like myself, but tell scum I wouldn't bother them. I really didn't expect a scum counterclaim, but it makes sense given the situation.
On July 04 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: dont give VT's rolenames next time?
Lol. postgame.
Anyway.
What do you think of stutters gumshoe and WoS?
Who are you asking this question to 0_0, me? sorry the wordings just a bit confusing.
So as I mentioned before, if we assume Marv, WOS and Vivax are confirmed, that leaves 5 suspects (I'm not including Gumshoe cause I'm a bit biased about him)
Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum.
Oats=you, I'm reading townie / : but for the life of me I dont know why. Why would you say no lynch XD ? Dont answer that because scum would never propose that, suffice to say your pretty green to me. =Townie
Solstice = meh, leaning null I guess? Like theres never really an agenda with his posts, but he doesnt exactly hard contribute. Could easily be scum =Null-scum
Lazer = Lazer as scum really depends on if your more willing to believe they're is as many fake blue claims as they're are actual blues, or if your more willing to believe that they're are three blues. I'm leaning townie because he sheeped against Jar Jar early on and my read against him is pretty strong, he also contributed to discussion alot at intervals, and like Rayne I dont think they're would be a miller (Marv confirmed) without a detective. Could be easily wrong about him= null-town
Stutters. My blind spot. Everyone calls him scummy, dont look at him much because he feels like such a buss. Honestly dont know.
I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one
We have two survivors, one is playing remarkably passive considering how desperate his situation is, and is trying to come off as town. The other is doing everything he can to somehow survive both factions. One is telling us the game setup is effectively broken(no fake roles), yet 2 scum at least managed to snag they're claims with pretty much no difficulty. Hes aware of this despite the fact he should have no way of knowing what if any roles scum received. The other one is telling us the game was paused and nearly shut down for an actual reason... go figure.
Oh and both chose not to use they're power, really guys? Powers are they're to be used XD. Thats null though.
it's pretty clear now that Dandel Ion forget to hand out fake roles or something of the like in light of the huge early game kerfuful. WOS's story makes sense as crazy as a lot of it sounds because hes in a crazy position and it's a crazy game, so it is what it is I guess.
Fuba on the other hand is pretty much saying-
"nothing to see here fellow human".
I'm sorry Fuba ) : you got caught in a terrible position (having to claim miller) and similar to WOS, you had to make the best of it by stealing survivor. Sadly your still scum / : we are town, we lynch who we must.
I invite anyone to argue why Fuba makes more sense as survivor in light of the events that have shaken the very foundation of the game.
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own.+ Show Spoiler +
(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.)
This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well.
On July 04 2013 12:05 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum.
You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before.
On July 04 2013 11:10 gumshoe wrote: Also Fuba was kind enough to say this much.
I'll offer that I, at least, didn't get a fake claim. It feels like if scum had been given fake claims, then I would have gotten one
We have two survivors, one is playing remarkably passive considering how desperate his situation is, and is trying to come off as town. The other is doing everything he can to somehow survive both factions. One is telling us the game setup is effectively broken(no fake roles), yet 2 scum at least managed to snag they're claims with pretty much no difficulty. Hes aware of this despite the fact he should have no way of knowing what if any roles scum received. The other one is telling us the game was paused and nearly shut down for an actual reason... go figure.
Oh and both chose not to use they're power, really guys? Powers are they're to be used XD. Thats null though.
it's pretty clear now that Dandel Ion forget to hand out fake roles or something of the like in light of the huge early game kerfuful. WOS's story makes sense as crazy as a lot of it sounds because hes in a crazy position and it's a crazy game, so it is what it is I guess.
Fuba on the other hand is pretty much saying-
"nothing to see here fellow human".
I'm sorry Fuba ) : you got caught in a terrible position (having to claim miller) and similar to WOS, you had to make the best of it by stealing survivor. Sadly your still scum / : we are town, we lynch who we must.
I invite anyone to argue why Fuba makes more sense as survivor in light of the events that have shaken the very foundation of the game.
So both of us stole survivor? How 'bout that.
Hes survivor, when you saw survivor was untaken you took it, because the alternative was miller claim, which is terrible. You claiming Survivor was not a god send to him, him leaving survivor open was the godsend to you.
On July 04 2013 12:05 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum.
You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before.
No, your claim came after the kerfufule that would result in new roles. I called him out on it. Go back and read.
On July 04 2013 12:05 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum.
You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before.
No, your claim came after the kerfufule that would result in new roles. I called him out on it. Go back and read.
You go back and read. Only after I claimed and the town started talking about a mass claim did igrok decide to send out fakeclaims according to WoS.
On July 04 2013 12:05 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum.
You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before.
No, your claim came after the kerfufule that would result in new roles. I called him out on it. Go back and read.
You go back and read. Only after I claimed and the town started talking about a mass claim did igrok decide to send out fakeclaims according to WoS.
I mean this is actually a reason I don't believe WoS. The game pausing is not when the new roles were sent out according to him. That was some other issue I guess?
He apparently received his fakeclaim sometime during the nightphase.
On July 04 2013 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own.+ Show Spoiler +
(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.)
This makes it so I am safe to fakeclaim one role and one role only, that of Donny Donowitz. I received info on other roles as well.
What's this last part mean?
Anyone want to speculate on what WoS could possibly be talking about here?
I don't see why a survivor would be fucked without a safeclaim. I certainly expected one, but not having it worked out alright until scum decided to save themselves with a fake. I also don't see why he would use the fakeclaim when he admits that he'll be fucked either way (and as for fakeclaims, clearly my opinion has shifted in light of recent events). Claim survivor, say you're not gonna use your power so that scum won't get mad at you, and scum have no reason to focus on you over anyone else. Town will still be suspicious, but you can make them believe you. As I said, it's a thin line to walk, but certainly less scummy than fakeclaiming vigi and then fakeclaiming survivor.
Whats changed your opinion on role claims Fuba? The only recent confirmation has come from WOS, but if hes scum, then why would he tell us that? Are you saying hes telling the truth in some regards? Were you lying about role claims originally? Also why the fuuck would survivor, the hardest role in this game(If you dont understand this your not town), not receive a secret role as well? Did WOS piss Igrok off before this game started? Why are you defending whats clearly a retarded position that you supposedly have to hold. You should be the one complaining seeing as your in the roughest spot, instead your what? Convincing us that third party isn't hard? Dont piss in my ear and tell me it's raining scum.
[quote]The scummiest thing I've done all game is not be available. That is the case against me. I've responded to everything stutters has said, and he's conveniently failed to care about any of it. I've answered all of marv's questions, and they've been ignored or uncommented on as well. My questions towards others have been ignored. It's really frustrating that I'm suddenly more suspicious than the fakeclaiming scum because I happened to be unavailable at the time of the mass claim. I didn't act any differently this game than I would have as a vt, because when I'm town I always last until the end of the game anyway (got vigi'd once, was sad). The claim didn't seem like a big deal to me because at that point, it wasn't. I'd had more than enough time to consider it since the idea of mass claiming had been brought up. All it meant was that I was going to have to keep acting like myself, but tell scum I wouldn't bother them. I really didn't expect a scum counterclaim, but it makes sense given the situation.
You mean not contributing? Only responding when they're is a case against you? Not scummy at all.
On July 04 2013 12:05 gumshoe wrote: Jar Jar= I'm feeling hes guaranteed scum, we only got off his back initially because of his claim. Once Fuba flips red, well know for sure if scum have fake claims. If thats the case he should be the first person we look at. He felt Rayne was scum, hes been advocating WOS over Fuba... in general hes contributed very little. =Scum.
You apparently didn't read what WoS wrote. If he's truth-telling then I'm even more guaranteed town then I was before.
No, your claim came after the kerfufule that would result in new roles. I called him out on it. Go back and read.
You go back and read. Only after I claimed and the town started talking about a mass claim did igrok decide to send out fakeclaims according to WoS.
I mean this is actually a reason I don't believe WoS. The game pausing is not when the new roles were sent out according to him. That was some other issue I guess?
He apparently received his fakeclaim sometime during the nightphase.
Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh.
Sorry, where did you get this info about night phase? How would you know that? He didn't say anything even remotely like that.
Im ignoring the middle part of this thread because it's a great big ball of whine and Wifom. This is fascinating though.
I don't see why a survivor would be fucked without a safeclaim. I certainly expected one, but not having it worked out alright until scum decided to save themselves with a fake. I also don't see why he would use the fakeclaim when he admits that he'll be fucked either way (and as for fakeclaims, clearly my opinion has shifted in light of recent events). Claim survivor, say you're not gonna use your power so that scum won't get mad at you, and scum have no reason to focus on you over anyone else. Town will still be suspicious, but you can make them believe you. As I said, it's a thin line to walk, but certainly less scummy than fakeclaiming vigi and then fakeclaiming survivor.
Whats changed your opinion on role claims Fuba? The only recent confirmation has come from WOS, but if hes scum, then why would he tell us that? Are you saying hes telling the truth in some regards? Were you lying about role claims originally? Also why the fuuck would survivor, the hardest role in this game(If you dont understand this your not town), not receive a secret role as well? Did WOS piss Igrok off before this game started? Why are you defending whats clearly a retarded position that you supposedly have to hold. You should be the one complaining seeing as your in the roughest spot, instead your what? Convincing us that third party isn't hard? Dont piss in my ear and tell me it's raining scum.
[quote]The scummiest thing I've done all game is not be available. That is the case against me. I've responded to everything stutters has said, and he's conveniently failed to care about any of it. I've answered all of marv's questions, and they've been ignored or uncommented on as well. My questions towards others have been ignored. It's really frustrating that I'm suddenly more suspicious than the fakeclaiming scum because I happened to be unavailable at the time of the mass claim. I didn't act any differently this game than I would have as a vt, because when I'm town I always last until the end of the game anyway (got vigi'd once, was sad). The claim didn't seem like a big deal to me because at that point, it wasn't. I'd had more than enough time to consider it since the idea of mass claiming had been brought up. All it meant was that I was going to have to keep acting like myself, but tell scum I wouldn't bother them. I really didn't expect a scum counterclaim, but it makes sense given the situation.
You mean not contributing? Only responding when they're is a case against you? Not scummy at all.
Ebwop, the second paragraph is me addressing your change of opinion on role claims.
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