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On July 04 2013 08:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 08:49 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:40 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
How is this even a debate? 3 blues already claimed and the guy who's only objective is to survive goes and claims the 4th blue spot???o_O!!! I say Poppycock! Stop thinking like a townie, your posting as if he only has to worry about being lynched. As long as they are the odds hes taking claiming blue are his best. Think about it from a scum perspective, heres a guy claiming he got role blocked and hes blue, you didn't role block him, which means survivor is out there and hes protecting blues. As scum finding survivor is now your priority. No it isn't. Lynching town is your priority. Because if town get's lynched today, it's gg. Survivor only has to help lynch town today and he wins w/ scum. Yes but thats only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat. The role claim makes this impossible. In this game hes the biggest threat to scum and he cant cruize by, they'd be stupid not to shoot him. He in tern would be retarded not to somehow cover his own ass if they try to shoot him. No it's not "only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat". If town get's lynched, game over period. That's a fact. There's no getting around that. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. WoS fakeclaims hoping to get you lynched and it's gg. He was probably banking on it being a race between him and you. Once it's quite clear that race is actually between him and fuba, scum realizes that they can't win today regardless so he goes w/ the fake survivor claim. It's the only thing that makes sense.
Also then why didn't he claim survivor first? Survivor is incredibly unlikely to be lynched today because kp is at stake, it's also seemingly the least likely role to be in the game. Claiming final role blocked blue of all roles is a terribly risky idea for scum that throws them into the fire, when WOS was not at all target number one going into day 2. On the other hand it's the best a survivor can do in this impossible situation role claim situation. It is not an option for them to claim survivor because if somehow we dont mislynch today survivor gets shot tonight because hes a guaranteed hit and killing him effectively makes kps unblockable. If we do successfully lynch today, scum MUST kill survivor because he will lean town since were winning.
Again, your all assuming survivor plays like town OR scum. He is neither. He has to account for all possibilities or hes pretty much just flipping a coin.
Lastly Vivax, Jar Jar, Stop expecting less of your fellow players, your theory requires that both WOS and Fuba are imbeciles, when neither of them are, and that Marv and Lazer have taken insane risks just to survive this long. I dont believe the picture your painting Vivax because it requires me to take a leap of faith on your behalf, we did that yesterday with Marv, remember how that turned out?
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Not yet. Too many unanswered questions at the moment. Really am off this time ^^
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On July 04 2013 09:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 08:58 marvellosity wrote:On July 04 2013 08:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:49 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:40 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
How is this even a debate? 3 blues already claimed and the guy who's only objective is to survive goes and claims the 4th blue spot???o_O!!! I say Poppycock! Stop thinking like a townie, your posting as if he only has to worry about being lynched. As long as they are the odds hes taking claiming blue are his best. Think about it from a scum perspective, heres a guy claiming he got role blocked and hes blue, you didn't role block him, which means survivor is out there and hes protecting blues. As scum finding survivor is now your priority. No it isn't. Lynching town is your priority. Because if town get's lynched today, it's gg. Survivor only has to help lynch town today and he wins w/ scum. Yes but thats only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat. The role claim makes this impossible. In this game hes the biggest threat to scum and he cant cruize by, they'd be stupid not to shoot him. He in tern would be retarded not to somehow cover his own ass if they try to shoot him. No it's not "only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat". If town get's lynched, game over period. That's a fact. There's no getting around that. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. WoS fakeclaims hoping to get you lynched and it's gg. He was probably banking on it being a race between him and you. Once it's quite clear that race is actually between him and fuba, scum realizes that they can't win today regardless so he goes w/ the fake survivor claim. It's the only thing that makes sense. Sorry, why on earth do you think WoS would have thought it was going to be between gumshoe and him? What am I missing? Or are you including Lazer too? yeah possibly lazer. But I was thinking that claiming the roleblock when you would think they'd use it on a claimed blue makes me think that they were gunning for gumshoe.
Go away please. You spend half the game pushing me and then throw it all out the moment you dont like a wagon.
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On July 04 2013 09:24 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:58 marvellosity wrote:On July 04 2013 08:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:49 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:40 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
How is this even a debate? 3 blues already claimed and the guy who's only objective is to survive goes and claims the 4th blue spot???o_O!!! I say Poppycock! Stop thinking like a townie, your posting as if he only has to worry about being lynched. As long as they are the odds hes taking claiming blue are his best. Think about it from a scum perspective, heres a guy claiming he got role blocked and hes blue, you didn't role block him, which means survivor is out there and hes protecting blues. As scum finding survivor is now your priority. No it isn't. Lynching town is your priority. Because if town get's lynched today, it's gg. Survivor only has to help lynch town today and he wins w/ scum. Yes but thats only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat. The role claim makes this impossible. In this game hes the biggest threat to scum and he cant cruize by, they'd be stupid not to shoot him. He in tern would be retarded not to somehow cover his own ass if they try to shoot him. No it's not "only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat". If town get's lynched, game over period. That's a fact. There's no getting around that. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. WoS fakeclaims hoping to get you lynched and it's gg. He was probably banking on it being a race between him and you. Once it's quite clear that race is actually between him and fuba, scum realizes that they can't win today regardless so he goes w/ the fake survivor claim. It's the only thing that makes sense. Sorry, why on earth do you think WoS would have thought it was going to be between gumshoe and him? What am I missing? Or are you including Lazer too? yeah possibly lazer. But I was thinking that claiming the roleblock when you would think they'd use it on a claimed blue makes me think that they were gunning for gumshoe. Go away please. You spend half the game pushing me and then throw it all out the moment you dont like a wagon. I threw it away after your claim. Just like you threw your case against me out after my claim.
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So?
Are people interested in what I have to say or not?
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On July 04 2013 09:29 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 09:24 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 09:20 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:58 marvellosity wrote:On July 04 2013 08:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:49 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:46 JarJarDrinks wrote:On July 04 2013 08:40 gumshoe wrote:On July 04 2013 08:07 JarJarDrinks wrote:
How is this even a debate? 3 blues already claimed and the guy who's only objective is to survive goes and claims the 4th blue spot???o_O!!! I say Poppycock! Stop thinking like a townie, your posting as if he only has to worry about being lynched. As long as they are the odds hes taking claiming blue are his best. Think about it from a scum perspective, heres a guy claiming he got role blocked and hes blue, you didn't role block him, which means survivor is out there and hes protecting blues. As scum finding survivor is now your priority. No it isn't. Lynching town is your priority. Because if town get's lynched today, it's gg. Survivor only has to help lynch town today and he wins w/ scum. Yes but thats only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat. The role claim makes this impossible. In this game hes the biggest threat to scum and he cant cruize by, they'd be stupid not to shoot him. He in tern would be retarded not to somehow cover his own ass if they try to shoot him. No it's not "only if he can go under the radar and prove not to be a threat". If town get's lynched, game over period. That's a fact. There's no getting around that. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. WoS fakeclaims hoping to get you lynched and it's gg. He was probably banking on it being a race between him and you. Once it's quite clear that race is actually between him and fuba, scum realizes that they can't win today regardless so he goes w/ the fake survivor claim. It's the only thing that makes sense. Sorry, why on earth do you think WoS would have thought it was going to be between gumshoe and him? What am I missing? Or are you including Lazer too? yeah possibly lazer. But I was thinking that claiming the roleblock when you would think they'd use it on a claimed blue makes me think that they were gunning for gumshoe. Go away please. You spend half the game pushing me and then throw it all out the moment you dont like a wagon. I threw it away after your claim. Just like you threw your case against me out after my claim.
Fair enough, but you never said sorry ) :
Do you disagree that it would be incredibly shortsighted of survivor to claim his own role in this game? Especially considering were not sure who scum actually are? To assume scum would win this cycle?
Do you think a scum whose was maybe 4th or 5th on everyones list would take on a role in which they were the last to claim blue and they were somehow role blocked, keeping in mind one of the four blues is confirmed, the other claimed first, and the last is a revenge townie who town can lynch in case of lylo? WHY WOULD SCUM AGREE TO THROW ONE OF THEYRE OWN TO THE WOLVES LIKE THAT. Especially when they can claim survivor instead.
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On July 04 2013 09:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
So?
Are people interested in what I have to say or not?
I am ( : and currently majority is on Fuba, so so say away.
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Alrighty let's begin.
Hearken unto the tale of WaveofShadow, the Jew Hunter (oddly ironic, as I told iGrok in one of many MANY PMs I sent him throughout this game as I myself am Jewish).
D1 - 1st time 3rd party. Felt like fucking around since that stuff was posted about talking in other languages. Don't really care TOO much about scumhunting as people pointed out. Whatever, I'm sure I can prove my 'towniness' later on as I always do.
Then the subject of name claiming comes up and I realize I am absolutely fucked. Luckily iGrok steps in later on in the day and I receive some role information that is not my own. + Show Spoiler +(I'm worried about what I am allowed or not allowed to say here since one of the rules is you can't share stuff you get from a PM from a host. Once I confirm exactly what I can talk about I'll share.)
This is when I realize that despite the fakeclaim I was given I'm essentially fucked anyway. I can only assume scum were given fakeclaims too and I don't know if they were given the same or different info than me, so I'm unsure if my blue claim will immediately tip them off. There are only enough non-scum roles in the game for everyone to claim exactly one therefore I know already that my blueclaim will look like shit because 4 blue roles is not balanced. My only choice is to not use my roleblock and claim it on myself. In this way (like gumshoe surmised) it MAY not become immediately obvious to scum that I was in fact 3P, and I don't have to help town because I'd rather them lose a couple people so they don't have room to lynch me when I get caught. I was honestly hoping that scum would be able to see what I was doing (ie being non-threatening to them) and find a way around me but they chose differently. There is bound to be a scum defending me at this point just 'cause, but this post isn't about reads.
D2 - I fakeclaim the shot on marv because it seemed as though that's what most townies would have found acceptable from a real vig. Its not going amazingly well but there is enough doubt being sown that I might be able to survive the day. Then fucking scum fuba. Again this is scum basically assuming you guys are going to take advantage of the fact that I showed up late to claim the last blue role, never mind the fact that I explained I'd be gone long before the claims happened. What scum may or may not know is I had received that role as an effective fakeclaim WAY before any of this happened so that reason is null (whether people choose to believe me or not is another story).
Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no.
My day-long disappearance? Totally real and I enjoyed every minute of it. I was reading the thread every so often when I had the chance but I would not have had time to engage in any arguing/discussion. When I saw I was up for lynch at the end of D1 I was tempted to come back and flail about as towny Wave has done in the past but then I thought, 'YOLO, 3P bro,' and left it. Good thing I did. N1 was my time to shine as I had some time to kill and was able to discuss stuff thoroughly. If this was not basically a completely open game with claimable names I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind I would have fulfilled my win condition. The massclaim combined with the role I was given to fake claim essentially fucked any chances I might have had.
I think it was mentioned that I should have just claimed my own role? Yeah well, not liking what town thought of me already I didn't see that as being an option, especially since my role is inherently town-favoured and I had a fakeclaim I may have gotten away with (obviously I would have had to claim on D3 after being 'RBed' again or something but I would have been in a far better position then).
I'm trying to think of anything else I need to talk about exactly here, it'll probably help if I reread through the conversations that happened earlier today. You are all of course welcome to look through my posting history to see if any of these thoughts match up with my posting.
I'd like to see what Fuba can come up with that will make me look worse than him right now, especially since I have other role information I have not yet released.
Anyway you guys can decide what to do with me. I'm not arguing for days about whether what I said is true or not. It is and whether you choose to believe that now or after you've fucked yourselves is entirely up to you.
To town I say - if you lynch me you're likely to lose. Simple as that. If you have faith in your town leaders and power roles (who are about to be shot if you lynch me, btw) to win the game at LYLO then by all means lynch me.
To scum I say - I haven't thought about the math. If you guys lose fuba today you might be able to get away with killing me but then you're 6-2 with only 1NK and shit like vengeful townie/parity cop. Not entirely likely though in my opinion. How about I agree not to use my JK ability on anyone to appease you guys? 
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wait what WoS?
You will play for scum if you survive.
I see.
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sheeping gumshoe.
It doesnt really matter THAT much anyway.
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Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no.
Note the bolded, this right here is appeasement of scum. The big wtf change to the game occurred at 08:38 on July 1st
Jar Jars claim occurred on July 1st 23:47 Jar Jar
Lazer happened on July second at 05:56.
Both after.
No one is clear except Marv, whose claim happened at the very start of the game.
Course this begs the question, why did Fuba claim survivor if he had a fake? We can only assume he was given the other miller role, which really really sucks for him.
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On July 04 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no. Note the bolded, this right here is appeasement of scum. The big wtf change to the game occurred at 08:38 on July 1st Jar Jars claim occurred on July 1st 23:47 Jar Jar Lazer happened on July second at 05:56. Both after. No one is clear except Marv, whose claim happened at the very start of the game. Course this begs the question, why did Fuba claim survivor if he had a fake? We can only assume he was given the other miller role, which really really sucks for him.
Technically scum would have been able to share whatever fakeclaims they got; I'd assume fuba really did get back and that was all that was left to him so they decided outing me by fakeclaiming 3P was the best thing to do since miller claiming would probably get him lynched anyway.
Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. 
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Ugh I should have waited for tomorrow or something.
I hate not being able to talk with people.
Oh that's another thing. The stream of consciousness post was my legit start at trying to look towny and then I realized people always look shitty all the time when they come back after a long time so I said fuck it. Didn't end up taking TOO much flak for it anyway.
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hi WoS.
Is there anything you wanna talk about?
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On July 04 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no. Note the bolded, this right here is appeasement of scum. The big wtf change to the game occurred at 08:38 on July 1st Jar Jars claim occurred on July 1st 23:47 Jar Jar Lazer happened on July second at 05:56. Both after. No one is clear except Marv, whose claim happened at the very start of the game. Course this begs the question, why did Fuba claim survivor if he had a fake? We can only assume he was given the other miller role, which really really sucks for him. Technically scum would have been able to share whatever fakeclaims they got; I'd assume fuba really did get back and that was all that was left to him so they decided outing me by fakeclaiming 3P was the best thing to do since miller claiming would probably get him lynched anyway. Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh.
Dont lie to me WOS, I'm pretty sure you were just trying to not piss us scum off even more XD thats fine, but It doesn't seem likely. Mafia must hate you right now.
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mafia hate WoS for what?
Fuba doesnt have the righteous anger of someone who got fake counterclaimed.
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On July 04 2013 10:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
hi WoS.
Is there anything you wanna talk about?
Dunno.
I just figured people'd have questions n' shiz.
Ya know.
Just aggravating waking up in the morning to find random ass speculation and discussion over shit that I could answer pretty easily myself. If no one has any questions then it's all good and I'll go play LoL or some shit.
On July 04 2013 10:51 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 04 2013 10:15 gumshoe wrote:Oh on the note of fakeclaims, scum absolutely received fakeclaims, likely around the same time as I did. THIS is why I believe Lazer is town, by the way, and probably JJD too, unless I was an oversight on the part of iGrok. (If you guys believe 3 blues is balanced then Vivax and gumshoe are town as well. If not, well then you guys have another problem on your hands. ) This is why there was no counterclaiming of any roles; as I stated before, there are just enough green/blue roles for everyone (including scum/3p) to claim. The order of people claiming means exactly DICK ALL for this reason, so those of you who said solstice is town 'cause he claimed early? Yeah, no. Note the bolded, this right here is appeasement of scum. The big wtf change to the game occurred at 08:38 on July 1st Jar Jars claim occurred on July 1st 23:47 Jar Jar Lazer happened on July second at 05:56. Both after. No one is clear except Marv, whose claim happened at the very start of the game. Course this begs the question, why did Fuba claim survivor if he had a fake? We can only assume he was given the other miller role, which really really sucks for him. Technically scum would have been able to share whatever fakeclaims they got; I'd assume fuba really did get back and that was all that was left to him so they decided outing me by fakeclaiming 3P was the best thing to do since miller claiming would probably get him lynched anyway. Yeah as for Lazer/JJD claims I don't know. I wasn't even around at that point and didn't bother to check the timestamps lol. Meh. Dont lie to me WOS, I'm pretty sure you were just trying to not piss us scum off even more XD thats fine, but It doesn't seem likely. Mafia must hate you right now.
Well they started it.
And anyway, they're pretty resilient. I doubt this is going to be over just like that.
By the way if I was town I'd be saying something like, "Shouldn't you guys start trying to find out who the fuck else is scum?"
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Lol like I want scum looking for more reasons to kill me.
I'll just be an innocent bystander for a while, how about that?
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On July 04 2013 10:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
mafia hate WoS for what?
Fuba doesnt have the righteous anger of someone who got fake counterclaimed.
Maifa hate WOS because he just took away Lazer and Jar Jars suit of impervious "townie" armour. No one is clean now except WOS, provided Fuba flips scum, Marv, who called at the start and who should be treated as immune to all this fake claim business, and Vivax who blocked a shot.
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