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gumshoe
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marvellosity
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On July 04 2013 07:06 gumshoe wrote: I think I'm done for today seeing as theres not much more to say until dat flip. In fact if I had a brain I would shut up right about now... but... Marv, seeing as there are likely no fake claims (since why would Fuba take survivor and why would WOS take blue and If scum had fake claims why wouldn't survivor? Which seems doubly true to me considering it was pretty much a scum slip from Fuba) how do you feel about Oats taking the very last townie spot? Also Interesting to note he defended WOS and Fuba early on in the day and then advocated no lynch. (worst possible choice for town in my opinion, scum just shoots confirmed townies and were back to the same problem as before) But when WOS openly said he was going after mafia and claimed survivor, Oats immediately abandoned him, and didn't even consider Fuba... In other words Oats defended WOS along with Fuba because the ideal scum agenda was mislynch, when he saw mislynch was unlikely to happen he advocated no lynch. Finally when Fuba came under threat he said we should lynch WOS for sure , he said that because there was no other choice for scum... How is it that his agenda just happens to so perfectly line up with mafias (Assuming Fuba is scum, pretty darn certain, which well know by the end of the day.)? Kk, I said it, the box is open. I'm out. I've not got the energy today, but it's picking out dumb from scum. For example, advocating no-lynch is a particularly stupid thing for mafia to suggest, much more so than town in my opinion - there's like zero chance that town will accept no-lynch with 3 mafia + survivor running around, so it only serves to make you look bad. I've not been too amazing at reading Oats in general of late, but I've had a somewhat townie vibe from him. Oats being wrong constantly isn't a surprise, he'll go from retardo-tunnelling to flashes of insight and clear thinking and absolutely everything in between. Going back to the no-lynch, again I think it's almost impossible that mafia would think that this idea would fly as town. I dunno. I think it's more likely that if Oats is mafia that he would simply push WoS. Pushing a no-lynch just seems like too dumb a thing to do for mafia. Probably. :D | ||
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mkfuba07
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On July 03 2013 17:20 Oatsmaster wrote: KNEW IT How does your role work fuba? And what do you think of Gumshoe and solstice? I win when town or scum wins, and I can jail (which is all in the op, btw). Gumshoe's hard for me to read (not his play, though that's an end result, just the writing itself). I still haven't had the time to look through his filter. Every time I wake up there's 10 more pages to read. The push on JDD for saying he'd lynch anyone else before himself was still really, really suspicious, but that's only a part of his play and I haven't been able to filter him. s0Lstice said something really weird last night, but I can't remember what it was atm. Remind me about this and I'll search for it once I've finally caught up. On July 03 2013 20:27 marvellosity wrote: Don't 'we' at me. Saying WoS is a bad lynch doesn't make him a bad lynch. Does remind me though. fuba, this is what I wanted answered: Answered that, too. I don't remember everything that's said about everyone in every game ever. I actually don't remember most of the things said by people in the game I'm currently in, which is part of why it takes me forever to post (that and both free-time issues and abysmal analytical reading speed). I found stutters suspicious, he did something suspicious multiple times in the thread, I pointed it out. Don't see how that's weird. On July 03 2013 20:19 Lazermonkey wrote: Are you guys experienced in fuba's play? because I'm having a hard time not wanting to lynch him right now actually... He doesn't actually care about the lynch at all... He talks about why he is not scum, talks about about why Rayn is scum and then changes his mind regarding Rayn. He thinks stutters i scum. But none of these are relevant for the D1 lynch basically. It was a WoS/me/him and then also Vayne. Yet he basically says nothing about any of these 3. He gives a really simple explanation of why WoS is town when he is called out for it. Votes Vayne cuz...? He comes in claims survivor and then what? Nothing. No scum hunting no nothing. ##Vote: mkfuba07 You know my role claim, and you don't see why I wouldn't care about the lynch? As long as it wasn't me, I had no major reason to care who ended up dying, aside from simply wanting to be right. My only two scumreads were rayn and stutters****, and it didn't seem like anyone else was willing to look at them at that time. I still haven't given extensive thought to WoS, because I always come back to a hundred more posts, with 50 more building up while I'm reading. I thought since he saw what rayn and I did about marv regarding lazer, he got townie points. His availability throughout most of D1 was way worse than it was when I'd played with him once before, so it's perfectly reasonable for his play to suffer because of this. And the reason I voted vayne is really, really obvious if you were following the thread at the time, so I don't know why you even bring that up. There's nothing in that second paragraph that indicates anything about me but that I've been pressed for time this game. And your last paragraph is really blowing my mind, to be honest. Yes, I had just gotten home. I had not slept in 2 days. I was passing out at the keyboard, and I knew that I needed to claim before I went to sleep, since I would be asleep for *at least* half a day after that. How is that not reasonable from any alignment, and why did you completely ignore the explanation just to make me look scummy? I'll also point out that his post came three hours after I said I'd be sleeping. THREE HOURS. Who would expect anyone to wake up three hours after they've gone to sleep, even ignoring how long I'd been awake for? Should I have waited until now to claim? I wouldn't have come back to a unanimous vote against me, right? Or did you just pounce because you knew I'd be gone for half a day? On July 03 2013 20:47 Lazermonkey wrote: Even then, if we wait untill night, we will get much more info from it. If he is lying then scum will have to shoot suboptimally and if he is town, scum will then have to decide to either hold a shot or just accept the fact that he is 100% confirmed town once there is 3 shots. And they can't roleblock him, because then I'll get to check someone. And if they shoot both of us, then congratz, you've just lost both of your most suspicious townies right away! This post... what is going on in this post? The reasoning makes no sense as town. If WoS is scum he could just claim being roleblocked again. More importantly, laser completely ignores that if WoS is town, scum could roleblock WoS, shoot lazer, and then shoot someone else if scum isn't lynched today. Why isn't lazer afraid of being shot N2, when that's exactly when he would be shot if he was really a parity cop? He doesn't seem to consider a situation where he's killed tonight, which would be the most likely scenario on my mind if I was him. The fact that he says "3 shots" instead of "an extra shot" also seems off, because he seems confident that we're not lynching scum today. ****That was the s0Lstice post I found so weird. He says he wanted to lynch stutters, then calls me out for trying to show how scummy stutters was being. What the fuck? Then he points out JDD pushing for gumshoe, and how I could have been a big help in pushing that given my clearly poorly-considered scumread on gumshoe at the time. I believe he actually said "an immense help". I don't remember anyone else but JDD being all that interested in gumshoe at the time, and I was sticking with my strongest scumreads, which I'd actually given thought to. I was confirmation biased into rayn at the time, but it was really clear no one was voting for him. So I kept trying to get people to see why stutters is so scummy. My point is, s0Lstice says I'm scummy for not helping to push for gumshoe's lynch, when he shows *in the very same post* that he could have done the same exact thing with my push on stutters. Why is that, s0Lstice? | ||
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mkfuba07
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marvellosity
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Time for the gloves to come off. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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 3 hours 15 until I show up for good to talk. I really hope people plan on being around for it. Xspecially you, Fubar. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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mkfuba07
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On July 04 2013 00:59 Lazermonkey wrote: Phoneposting Just thought of something, why does survivor-fuba claim so late? Wouldn't it make much more sense to claim right away? Scum claiming survivor would be afraid to claim though, because the real survivor could abuse that and out that scum player. The survivor should be much less scared of claiming, you are never going to get shot really. And sure, you might get scared,of town wanting to lynch you, but if we decided to mass claim then you are forced to claim no matter what. And claiming anything but survivor as survivor is as stupid as it gets. Yhea, we really should lynch fuba I guess ^^ Because, as I said, I wasn't fucking there. It would make more sense to claim right away, but I couldn't. Also, it made much more sense for us to follow the claiming plan rayn laid out, but everyone else completely ignored that. And claiming survivor is little different than claiming miller, except you can't be too townie or scum will shoot you (you effectively become a town power role), and you can't be too scummy or town will lynch you (because duh). I don't see how that's not risky. | ||
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Vivax
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Marv: "WoS is scum cause shooting me is so bad he can't be town." WoS: "Sup I only told you a lot of bullshit" Marv: "Oh nice well guess I can believe that from you let's go for fuba" | ||
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marvellosity
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On July 04 2013 08:21 Vivax wrote: It's mind boggling. Marv: "WoS is scum cause shooting me is so bad he can't be town." WoS: "Sup I only told you a lot of bullshit" Marv: "Oh nice well guess I can believe that from you let's go for fuba" I was right, it wasn't a move town-WoS would make. Did you bother reading what gumshoe wrote? Or are you just going to write snide, useless bullshit like you always do? | ||
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marvellosity
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gumshoe
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On July 04 2013 08:21 Vivax wrote: It's mind boggling. Marv: "WoS is scum cause shooting me is so bad he can't be town." WoS: "Sup I only told you a lot of bullshit" Marv: "Oh nice well guess I can believe that from you let's go for fuba" Ignore Marv, focus on WOS, whats his best move? Scum are most likely after him because he is the most powerful role in the game. If WOS claims survivor thats gg for him, scum shoots him and no one can stop the bullet. That or town lynches him because they cant find actual scum. Either way hes essentially giving away the game. He has to fake claim in a manner that can both appease town and frighten scum. His only option is to claim the last blue. This works for him against scum because scum have to worry about the survivor still being out there, and potentially protecting him at night because hes a blue. This also is the only way he can appease town without getting into a direct conflict of identity. Hes in an impossible situation and he has to make the only move left available to him. Survivor simply cannot claim survivor in this setup. Scum on the other hand would want to claim survivor, because they dont need to worry about other scum, they just have to survive a town that needs to lynch scum today. The role of survivor is perfect for them. Also the above you've posted is incredibly diminishing of what went down. I posted a case and after talking about it I got Marv to agree after we went back and forth for a while. WOS did not convince him, I painstakingly did. Furthermore why would scum claim survivor if they had fake roles? They wouldn't, they're are no fake roles in this game therefore Marv is not scum. And those who claimed the last vanilla town roles deserve some attention. | ||
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gumshoe
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On July 04 2013 08:07 JarJarDrinks wrote: How is this even a debate? 3 blues already claimed and the guy who's only objective is to survive goes and claims the 4th blue spot???o_O!!! I say Poppycock! Stop thinking like a townie, your posting as if he only has to worry about being lynched. As long as they are the odds hes taking claiming blue are his best. Think about it from a scum perspective, heres a guy claiming he got role blocked and hes blue, you didn't role block him, which means survivor is out there and hes protecting blues. As scum finding survivor is now your priority. | ||
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Vivax
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WoS is his fucking scumbuddy | ||
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gumshoe
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Vivax
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He agrees with you on claiming survivor being terrible for survivor??? | ||
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gumshoe
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On July 04 2013 08:42 Vivax wrote: Of course marv agrees on switching. WoS is his fucking scumbuddy Stop talking about Marv, focus on WOS. Adress my argument with something other than your gut. Your the only confirmed town player in the game, I need you on this ) : trust me, worst case scenario we go 4 3 vs scum tomorrow. | ||
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