[T] Nuclear Winter Mafia

On October 02 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
Bleh. I really can't tell if austin is scummy or just being absolutely useless. Practically every game we've played together I've found him scummy on day 1 and he turned out just to be useless.

Like, see how he's been posting in that other game he's in and not this one? Not caring about this one? Yeah, scummy as shit, except he did the same thing in rock band as town.

On October 02 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote:
That post isn't helping you not be useless though is it austin

On October 02 2012 08:44 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh, too much screwing meta. I don't really want to lynch austin because I know he can be totally useless day 1 as here, and others don't want to lynch the pretty scummy annul because they want to wait and see.

Why do you think austin has a higher chance of flipping scum than annul, BC?

On October 03 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote:
austin: that's because you always play so fking scummy for most of day 1 dear.

On July 08 2013 14:09 geript wrote:
Ok so here's a few very important lists. Town if you have a nuke and you absolutely have to fire it, then you need to fire it at one of the following people (my personal preferences are in red):
Dandel Ion (if he doesn't post again)
ghost_403
Oatsmaster (if he continues to not do anything)
Stutters695
Z-Boson
Abenson
MajuGarzett
strongandbig
TanGeng
Caucasianasian
jampidampi
Nirvana.Gabo

If you're really daring, you can also fire it at these people, but I expect these guys to be given a day 1 pass:
Austinmcc
Dandel Ion (if he actually posts something worthwhile)
Oatsmaster (if he actually decides to play)
FirmTofu

As everyone will notice there are 14 fucking different names on this carpet bombing list out of 27 players and at least 6 of which are complete fucking lurkers. And then on top if it there's Chezinu who we need to figure out what we're going to do with as Ace has pointed out. So you guys need to get your asses in high gear to do your jobs as a townie because not all of those guys can be scum. I understand that this is a theme game and it's got nukes. Plus it's always fun to win with style, but it's WAAAY more fun to win than to lose with style. And it's even worse to lose because you played a game where half the players are dead weight.

On July 09 2013 04:20 Z-BosoN wrote:


wait wait, I can totally do austin

Anyone else?

On July 09 2013 04:22 Z-BosoN wrote:


It seems that people are willing to policy lynch. If it's a policy lynch, I would rather CA, because I think he's a better choice, because I agree with gerupt (see my filter, I commented on this earlier).

On July 13 2013 11:28 Z-BosoN wrote:
Geript is not getting lynched, WoS. Who else would you want to lynch?

On July 12 2013 09:44 Z-BosoN wrote:

Z-BosoN's Digest

All right, I'll take this time to go over some things that I feel are important.

First of all, I want to apologize for playing like shit. I was a bit busy the last few days and am a bit drowned by the amount of stuff I have to read here, so I was mostly posting lazily, going with gut feelings instead of actually doing any sort of analysis. I seek to correct that.

Secondly, I am completely unsatisfied with my reads. I feel like they are all shitty and wrong. My scumreads don't really make sense. This is just a vague outline of some of the players that I have notes on atm. I decided to post this anyways in the name of discussion.

Even though I hate this fucking text to my core, I hope you guys read it still.

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First of all, let me establish who I'm confident is town:


Xatalos - duh

Oatsmaster - I find it hard for him to claim and save MZ, being scum. Seems chill in his posts.

[Uon]Sentinel - Unless it's some ploy to nuke your afk buddy to gain towncred, I'm considering him town for now.

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People who I think may be townie, but not too sure:


FirmTofu - Seems to be trying to figure things out. Despite being wrong, made a fair case on jampidampi. Not worrying about him too much.

Onegu - his posts feel genuine. He posted somewhere that he "knows that Xatalos is 100% town". This is pretty scary for a beginner in mafia to post, I think.

WaveOfShadow - He claimed, but I dunno. His activity level kinda dropped later on once people started laying off of him, but some of his posts seem really genuine as well. Should be left alone for now I think.

johnnywup - Originally I thought him scummy, but after rereading his filter, his posts feel pretty genuine. Also, at one point, he posted "someone claim please" at a timing that would just feel awkward for scum. I dunno. Intuition and general feeling aside, judging from his contributions and his general posts, I would totally view him as scum, however, he has done very little in terms of scumhunting. Who knows.

Alakaslam - He picks on me to better the quality of my posting, yet his own quality of posting is crap. He is very irreverent and useless in his posts. However much I don't like his play, he doesn't seem as scummy as I thought earlier, upon rereading his filter. Ugh, again, my brain wants to paint him black.

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And now a more shady region, where I have as null:

Geript - Right now I have him as either town or a pretty good scum. As I was catching up to the thread and making my notes, he seemed to strike on some details in certain posts that were very fair. He started the game with a strong presence, looking quite townie. Later on, however, his play dived into a much weaker version of the initial geript.

The post he made right after day1 lynches caught my attention



This pretty much screams defense to me, and I view this post as pretty unnatural. Just like eminem in 8-mile, he's dissing himself so people won't use that against him later on. This has been amplified now that we know that Dandel was in fact scum.

Another thing that annoyed me is him shooting down jampidampi nuke. So unnatural.. and I didn't find his explanation the least bit reasonable. Nevertheless, the townie thing to do would be to verify if people agreed with the nuke and whatnot, but ended up saving us a lynch.

The change of attitude towards his lynch choice vs. the lynch choice of others in day two was pretty different from that same thing in day one. While in day one he thought DL was a mislynch, and tried as hard as he could to sway votes away from DL, in day two he decided to go to jampi fairly easily, not putting muhc of a fight.

However, his activity is fairly high and shooting the nuke down just like that is calling attention to himself as scum. So yea, townie, or good scum. I don't want to lynch him tomorrow, so let him be for now. Don't even know why I decided to share my feelings here.

austinmcc: Had a fairly bad start, and there are some things in his filter that would still make me suspicious like hell. I could go on about some of that, but his general activity seems to have me disinterested, for now. Rayne had a good point on him, though:



EDIT: now that I see that austin has high activity levels as scum as well, this prompts me to paint him red as well. More on him later I guess.

Ace: Spends a ton of time speculating. Most of his activity is rather useless and he doesn't seem to try to take a dominant spot amongst town. He loves to talk about peoples plans, and how this play and that play is stupid or not (here I refer to Rayne's play and Geript's play).

However, one thing in a scum-ace scenario kind of troubles me. Ace spent a bucketfuck of time discussing and arguing how rayne's plan was necessarily scum-favored and that he was scum because of it, etc. This seems like a tedious thing to pursue if you are scum, like seriously. Normally I'd paint him green because of it, but I've heard that his scum-play is pretty good, so I'll keep him here in this mosh pit.

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I decided to go at length on these three players because I want to see if people agree with my say on them or not. I wanna still puzzle myself on the rest of the players to see if I can find anything else of value. The rest of the peoples I didn't add also go in this region.

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And now, towards my current shitlist.

VayneAuthority - this post immediately put him on my watch-list:



This seems to be a pointless post that ponders the different scenarios and draws no real conclusion from it.

The main argument I have against him is how he claims he was "pretty confident" that rayne was town. Vayne mentioend afterwards that rayne does that type of shit as town. Here is his post after rayne's flip:



Now, as we can easily deduce, Vayne was pretty damn confident that rayn was town. As you all remember, there was a huge shitfest discussing whether or not the rayn nuke claim made him scum or not. Now, I ask you, as a townie who feels strongly about a dude you've played with being townie, what do you do?

a) Defend him. Explain how this is something a town rayn would totally do (VA gave me this explanation later on).
b) Shove off the discussion expressing how you are fed up with it.

The difference is subtle, but if you look at the three posts VA made during the whole discussion:







Here you see a different, incompatible story. From the three posts above, he thinks rayn is town, and wants to stop the discussion because it is clogging up the thread. Not because he thinks rayn is town or whatever. He doesn't even mention that rayn normally does that type of stuff as town.

Please read the interaction which starts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049&currentpage=116#2312

And let me know what you think (right now I'm not sure if I'm nitpicking or if I stumbled upon the holy grail of finding Vayne scum)

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Next guy I want to point out is Kosh. Not much to say on him, but he comes into the thread fairly well, with a list describing some of the players and not really drawing too many conclusions. He complains the thread is slowing down:



Letting us know that he likes action and shit. Goes on to describe some more of the players, putting his scum vote on tofu. He makes a rather weak case against tofu that's entirely based on the fact that tofu didn't approve VA getting shot down. Ok, he might be on to something, I still have to review tofu, but he doesn't seem to push his reads at all. Makes a weak non-committing statement:



When town is active on the maju vs jampi debate (thread = sped up), he makes spectator-like comments regarding the game, instead of jumping in on the discussion:





I dunno, I kinda feel he's scum.

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Anyways, give thoughts if you will.