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On July 08 2013 09:02 johnnywup wrote: I thought you were catching up on the thread? Don't you think that's more important than being greeted? What are your opinions on everything going on? Who's scum? You are scum, Ace is scum... we'll get to that later. | ||
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Has time withered your love for me away? Or are there.... "other" reasons... ? | ||
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On July 08 2013 09:21 Alakaslam wrote: HEY YOU. QUALITY OR LYNCH. THIS IS WWIII! NO MORE FLUFF. There you are. You see, while I was reading thread, I set up some devices to, you know, interact with all the peoples. According to my calculations, the odds of the person that quotes the post above of being scum are 17% higher than before said activity. I have set my eyes on you, good sir. Have a gander: On July 08 2013 09:02 Alakaslam wrote: Vote is based on the exchanges they had too. However I now conclude that rayn is just bad at defending. He has genuinely contributed pretty good info (just took a stroll through his filter). So even though it looks a little scummy to some types to act wishy washy like this I lift this vote. Please, could you link to me a few posts in which you deem "pretty good info"? This will help me out quite a bit. Thank you. My dearest Ace, in a field of anger and malevolence towards our dear friend rayne, you very clearly soft-defended him. I see this here: On July 07 2013 08:28 Ace wrote: This feels very familiar. Didn't rayne get lynched because people jumped the gun on him in Carnival Cruise? It seems that at the moment of this post, rayne was a very popular (and easy) target. I'm pretty sure there were scum and town alike pummeling him, regardless of his alignment. Yet you soft defended him, and have generally been friendly towards him. I would like a 5-sentence description of him. If you would be kind enough, please highlight what alignment you feel he is as you write this, to aid in my studies. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:15 austinmcc wrote: As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy. I'm basically just asking filler questions I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be. As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me. That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me. austin, I don't think you can get away with justifying your play here with a "go look at my town meta in a larger game". Here's your filter from Liquid City: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=austinmcc You seemed a ton more interested in the game. Here the only part where I felt you interested is when you were defending yourself. Can you give me something on Alaskaslam? You had some interaction with him, and I'd like to know your opinion on him atm. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:17 Xatalos wrote: Not sure if I said anything about Ace before, but actually I get the feeling he's probably town. I see no reason for him to engage in the discussion to defend you like that unless you're both scum or both town. Currently leaning both town, so there's that. This is a post from a while back but I feel I want to dig a little deeper. My main concern with Ace at the moment is that he defended rayn at a moment in which he was under heavy aggression. Now, if I do this as a townie, the main thing I want to do is redirect attention from rayn towards something else. But his following posts do not indicate this: clicky He's not trying to steer the thread anywhere. As town I feel that letting people pressure rayn is much more natural, for me to get a better read. It's small, but I not comfortable with calling him "probably town". What do you think? | ||
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@WaveOfShadow I need you to be a little clearer on Johnnywup. You were very quick to get pissed when both he and geript voted for you. At this point, you really want johnny dead, despite not having made a single case on him: On July 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript y u no vote Johnny? He whoopsed to many times imo. Now here it gets iffy. Suddenly, out of the blue, you have this interaction with rayne: On July 08 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn you really believe that half the scumteam jumped on the Whoops Wagon this early when half the thread is lurking and it's just as easy for them to hide? You say Johnny is town, why? Just because his post mirrors your thoughts? And then BAM, johnny goes to "probably town", without any discussion, without any real analysis: On July 08 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, johnny probably town at this point but I'm not sure how much that helps us. I'd bet there is 1 MAYBE 2 scum voting him right now. As for Onegu: I have a little something pre-written up on him but I'm going to sit on it a bit. Onegu, do you have any nukes? If you had one (or do have one) who would you nuke right now and why? What exactly convinced you he's town? | ||
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Right now I am waiting for WoS and austin to respond and going through some other filters. What I know now is that I do not want Chezinu dead, as I stated before, and that this discussion is pointless unless there is new info that people with roles are willing to share. Xatalos, why do you feel Meapak is town? I find his play so far to be a bit confusing from a town perspective. Please elaborate. | ||
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On July 09 2013 00:57 Xatalos wrote: Why is it pointless to lynch Chezinu? He nuked me, the strongest general townread at the time, for no (apparent) reason. Maybe he was just being insane, but unless he soon A) starts explaining his actions and B) reveals what type of nuke he launched at me (solving the problem of Oatsmaster's anti-nuke), I feel we should lynch him. Reasons for Meapak being town: 1) he was nuked secretly - only scum would have a natural reason not to claim their nukes - likely the launcher is scum and Meapak is town (both CAN'T be scum, since it would be 100% insane to secretly kill your own scum team) 2) he didn't shut up after being nuked, but rather started scumhunting with renewed motivation, which is a clear town trademark (why would scum act pro-town after being sentenced to death?) 3) overall he has posted townishly and scumhunted a lot IMO Well, why would scum nuke meapak? What is the purpose in it? As I recall, he wasn't the most townie-looking person at the time of the launch. What bothers me about him is that earlier on he was pretty suspicious of rayne earlier on, but did nothing to pursue him. He just put him in the "probable scum" category in his big list, without doing any sort of discussion. I'll look into 2), seems like a fair point | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd preferably like some input from some more of the active townies here. I want to make sure this is something we can all agree on somewhat. Answer my post, good sir. | ||
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One thing that is bothering me a LOT is Alakaslams posting. He pummels me asking for more quality from a few posts of mine yesterday, is pretty oppressive on my "17%" joke, complaining that most of the thread is fluff: On July 08 2013 09:58 Alakaslam wrote: Two posts above yours, and his activity asking questions. But mostly, two posts above yours. Was good enough for me. Glad your activity is spiking. No comment on your 17% bs, reading this game you should know there is 10x more fluff than is desirable. I am watching you too, and I'll say it for you: OMGIS!!! Yet his own posting quality is very fluffy. He isn't trying to steer discussion anywhere that is useful. Anyone familiar with his playstyle feels like commenting? | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:24 WaveofShadow wrote: ZBoson I explained in a later post that his genuine outrage at my calling him scum didn't seem faked and seemed to come from a townie. I changed my mind. Pretty simple. Not buying it. That would have been fine if you were actually scumhunting. It seems to me like you dropped the ball as soon as you figured that his lynch wasn't going to happen. Your posts are quite fluffy and I don't get the feeling that you actually care who is scum and who isn't. Your latest post is pure nonsense: On July 09 2013 01:11 WaveofShadow wrote: So...guys... If someone else could be shot or saved....who would you want it to be? :D :D :D Are you claiming? Or are you just screwing around? If you are town, you really need to get a grip, because you are just clogging up the thread and being generally useless. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:28 Ace wrote: I was talking about your comment saying I was defending rayne. Before you said it was a soft defense, now you make it seem as if I was there stopping him from getting votes. He was fine on his own. Whatever it is you understood of my meaning, I'm Just concerned your defense of him was pointless and had no real town motivation for it. Anyways, I'm not gonna make a fuss about it, I'm not calling you "prob town", and you are also not getting lynched and we need to settle on who we want to lynch. Right now I am contemplating whether I'll just go with a policy lynch on some lurker, or if we should lynch someone else. Alakaslam I don't like his Posting, but I don't want him dead yet. Who's down for a vayne lynch?? | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok this has been bugging me a little. Who has played with Boson before/ Boson why do you tend not to contribute to conversations taking place and help us out with those and instead follow your own trains of thought and lines of questioning all game? Can you not do both? I'm still lagged behind, and I don't see the purpose of your conversation. You are hinting aggression towards ace with few hours left on the vote deadline, when he is clearly not getting lynched We should be focusing on whether or not we are going through a policy lynch or if we should try to find a better suspect. I don't like a policy lynch and I want to find a better suspect to suggest we lynch. Austin seems like a solid choice, and I am prompting for him to answer before I go balls out. Also, just stfu about chezinu. So much pointless discussion on someone who is so random and hard to read. If he were scum, why wouldn't he also explain his "bad nuke"? I can't make sense from his play and I feel it's just a wasted effort, and thus will not bother with it. I may be dead wrong here, but he is better suited for blue roles (checks and such). I feel austin is the better choice here. Veyne is also good, but I want to save him for later. | ||
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On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Focus. He's unlikely to get lynched today. I'm glad you agree that he is scummy, but I feel time is better spent discussing this after the lynch time. Right now, aside from a policy lynch, who are your top lynches? | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:01 Ace wrote: @Boson: what was the actual case for Austin? 1) Town austin is involved. Town austin makes cases and is aggressive. Here is absolutely passive and non-committing. 2 Austin blatantly lied here: On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote: What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game? Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to? He's alluding to the fact that his town meta in a large game is pretty much the same as in this game. Here I explain this is just not true: On July 08 2013 22:51 Z-BosoN wrote: austin, I don't think you can get away with justifying your play here with a "go look at my town meta in a larger game". Here's your filter from Liquid City: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&user=austinmcc You seemed a ton more interested in the game. Here the only part where I felt you interested is when you were defending yourself. Can you give me something on Alaskaslam? You had some interaction with him, and I'd like to know your opinion on him atm. As scum, it's very easy and convenient to say: "just look at my meta and you will see that [ . . . ]", because obviously no one is gonna open his earlier games and check on whether that's true or not. I feel that if he were town, he would more likely admit that his meta was different in this game, rather than imply that it is the same. Funnily enough, he later admits to being lazy/reactive, even though he tried to meta-defend himself earlier. Makes little sense to me. 3. Austin's posts so far have little substance. They contain a high amount of fluff and are generally not what I would expect from a townie him. "stop posting so much!!!", for example, I have never seen him display that sort of feeling: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=30#593 I view this more as a "look at me, I'm reading the thread and am being pained by how many useless posts there are", to show that he's interested. As it stands, what his filter tells me is in exact contrast, that he doesn't really feel interested in the game. These are the reasons so far I think he is a good lynch. I want him to respond though. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:09 Xatalos wrote: Whatever, I guess it's a waste of time atm to talk about Ace. I still feel like austinmcc has a good chance of being scum. See my earlier (2 I think) case-posts about him. It's not making me feel any better that he still hasn't done anything after hastily defending himself against me. He hasn't really done anything remarkable at all besides defending my pressure. But he's not getting lynched today clearly. I'm fine with either Chezinu or Dandel Ion, who are the top lynch candidates atm. Chezinu for nuking me and not doing anything after that despite requests and Dandel Ion for playing very differently from his town meta and quite much like his scum meta (inactive and useless). Well, doesn't it make sense for a scum chezinu to make some bullshit reason up for sending a nuke towards you? I don't really understand his play, and like I said earlier, I feel he is better suited for blues. | ||
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I mean that I don't want to lynch him today ^^ | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:29 VayneAuthority wrote: probably that scum wants to try and mislynch me tomorrow lawl. You. Check this out. What do you think of Alakaslam? He kinda wants you dead dude. | ||
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On July 09 2013 03:35 strongandbig wrote: why is chezinu more likely scum than dandyloin ps 'because chezinu did something stupid' is not a good reason until we know whether or not the stupid thing targeted townies or other scum. since chezinu is so willing to play badly as town, its impossible to tell his alignment until we have flips to analyze his actions in relationship to. or until someone vigs him. If anyone disagrees with this bit on chezinu, please step up. Regarding dande lion, why do so many people want to lynch him for being useless and not Abenson and caucasianasian, who are even more useless? Can anyone please be clear on this? | ||
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If we can't come up with a non-policy lynch, then I'ma hop on with caucasianasian @austin No comment on the case I wrote on you? | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:10 austinmcc wrote: This bit of one of your posts on me: is entirely true. You limited it to scum, but regardless of my alignment, no one is opening my earlier games to check on whether what they're saying is true. You think I'm usually active, looking very townie, etc. I am just pointing out that, within a specific large game that you remember, this exact same thing happened. I posted a bunch at the very end of D1, during N1, and during D2. I got called out on my D1 play, collected some votes and some other people WANTING to push my lynch (marv brought it up a couple times but never voted). What I am saying, and the reason I mentioned that game, is that you are misremembering exactly what happened in a game/some games. If you go back and actually read the games you remember, you SHOULD see that I am generally not terribly active/leader-y in large games on D1. Ok, last thing before I leave. I dunno man, you reek of disinterest this game. Even if you haven't yet made long and aggressive posts, the attitude you display here building up to the end of d1 is totally different than from what I recall. You also make easy posts here, discussing meta, whatever Ace might have meant, and what not, but when it comes to actually trying to find scum, I find your posting here lacking. I kinda want you dead, but it seems that it's dandel on the plate today, with a small chance of CA. Vote CA and I might just back off from you. Maybe. | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:15 Xatalos wrote: I can get behind austinmcc but looks like nobody else can, so it's a fool's errand to try that right now. wait wait, I can totally do austin Anyone else? | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:16 Xatalos wrote: Well that was a... random vote if anything. Explain? It seems that people are willing to policy lynch. If it's a policy lynch, I would rather CA, because I think he's a better choice, because I agree with gerupt (see my filter, I commented on this earlier). | ||
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On July 09 2013 04:22 austinmcc wrote: Z-Boson, for reference, here are posts from that game, from a guy who has played with me a decent bit: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote: Bleh. I really can't tell if austin is scummy or just being absolutely useless. Practically every game we've played together I've found him scummy on day 1 and he turned out just to be useless. Like, see how he's been posting in that other game he's in and not this one? Not caring about this one? Yeah, scummy as shit, except he did the same thing in rock band as town. On October 02 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote: That post isn't helping you not be useless though is it austin On October 02 2012 08:44 marvellosity wrote: Ugh, too much screwing meta. I don't really want to lynch austin because I know he can be totally useless day 1 as here, and others don't want to lynch the pretty scummy annul because they want to wait and see. Why do you think austin has a higher chance of flipping scum than annul, BC? On October 03 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote: austin: that's because you always play so fking scummy for most of day 1 dear. For anyone wanting to vote me because of inactivity/not looking super townie on D1, I can understand that. But good lord if you're going to do that because you think normally I look super townie on D1, please check and make sure you are correctly remembering games. Off the top of my head, I know that Liquid City and ... Movie Star Mini involved me doing jack all D1 and looking scummy, believe Rock Band and some game where Marv smurfed as Fivetouch and I didn't really do anything all game but argue with him as well. Doesn't make it a good way to play or a townie way to play. But stop presenting as fact that I always/usually look magically townie on D1. This is fine. All I'm trying to say is, I think you're not recalling things properly, and while I don't claim to be super-townie, I do claim to not be playing out of the ordinary. I don't care if I look scummy right now, I can and will fix that. I care if the only reason I look scummy is for doing something that is a common occurrence. Allright, I want to see how you improve throughout day 2. I'm out, cyall tomorrow. | ||
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I'll try to keep up with the read and post whenever I can. Right now I would look into johnnywup as well. He posted this: On July 09 2013 06:41 johnnywup wrote: Liking ON lynch much more ATM. Changing it to that. And then disappeared for the next 3-4 pages. As soon as day post comes out, he comments, which means he was just chillin watching town get all confused and shit. without really participating. Ace, as mentioned before, is someone with very questionable play, towards the end of d1, and should be under heavy fire for today. When I get back, I'll go over the reyne fiasco and see if there's any chance his latest explanation pans out. | ||
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I have a doctors appointment right now, but when I get back I'll play decently and such | ||
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On July 12 2013 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=92#1827 Wait a minute... what did you claim? | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote: I'll take a raincheck on that then. I have commented on everything I found interesting so far so I guess I should close the thread now as I'm just spamming at this point. raincheck = Rayne Check! This is more or less confirmed by his reaction to rayne's lying: On July 09 2013 11:53 VayneAuthority wrote: I think rayn is town he just messed up. I thought ON might be scum too but wasn't sure enough of it to vote for that those are the 4 im looking at heavily after the voting. All 3 of them gave absolutely zero reason to flip onto ON last second Now, at a time when rayne is under heavy pressure he just nonchallantly dismisses it as "meh. He's town but messed up"... This really tells us that he's confident about it because of the "rain check" And now he tries to claim as kenpachi? Erm.... I feel something is wrong here | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Lol, I've played about 5 or so games with rayne now, we are much better at reading each other. When he's that active and doing crazy shit, he's town. Then why did you not pronounce yourself when Rayne was being bombarded by Ace , MZ and a few others, and help defend someone you were pretty sure was town? Why did you only mention him once being pressured? | ||
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On July 12 2013 04:40 VayneAuthority wrote: what the hell are you talking about? I told people multiple times to stop the rayn nonsense, people listening was a different story. Don't make shit up or we have nothing to talk about here. Wait, you clearly wanted the rayne thing to stop, but because you were angry it clogged up discussion. This is pretty clear from both these posts that followed: On July 09 2013 22:18 VayneAuthority wrote: We should probably give this rayn thing a rest for a bit as its killing discussion before the night post. People that have a chance to die should really throw out some reads/cases before they are gone. I really need people's opinions on these three men, as I think they are all scum. gumshoe, ghost, onegu They don't have time to post anything meaningful in the thread but are able to show up last second and ninjavote for ON? Especially gumshoe who I know is much more capable than this. On July 10 2013 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote: I cant believe how long this rayn thing has gone on. If I didn't know better its just scum talking to each other and completely shutting down all discussion but that is not the correct answer. Nowhere (correct me if I'm wrong) did you mention that "rayne does this type of shit as town all the time" during the discussion on his shenanigans, or express your supposed confidence that he was town. Only after he died, you go ahead and say that you knew this all along: On July 10 2013 07:09 VayneAuthority wrote: He was pretty clearly town after all he did the first day. Since roulette I have become much better at understanding his motives. We just have to decide if these dudes were right with their conspiracy theory or if scum is just trying to throw us off I dunno, I think that if I thought someone was "pretty clearly town" I'd be more insistent on defending said person, instead of simply saying "hey, let's stop talking about him". Answer me one thing, just to be clear. You said that you dunno if it's just scum trying to clog up the thread, in the bolded part. Who are you referring to? | ||
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Oh, didn't realize deadline was so soon, I'm still @ page 92 and something interested me between SnB and austin. Gimme a sec | ||
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On July 12 2013 05:58 geript wrote: Jampi: 1. Seems to know that Rayn didn't fire the mystery nuke (scum) but provides ok reasoning for it neutral 2. Brings up valid points on the Maju nuke after his "death nuke" towny 3. Most of his filter is about the rayn-nuke situation scummy What is your point?? What is the purpose of this post? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:04 Xatalos wrote: Sigh, both feel like scum. But only one can be scum. Why can only one be scum?? | ||
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Who are your top scumreads right now? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:17 Koshi wrote: Is anybody going to drop a knowledge nuke soon? I think I am going to stay till the host does his Night post. I want to know how this ends :D. Why are you posting like a spectator and not like a player? | ||
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Aside from those dude. Cause as it stands, you are doing a pretty pathetic job at scumhunting. Gumshoe to you is just someone you feel deserves to be lynched as much as you, which is clear from this post: On July 11 2013 21:18 jampidampi wrote: Well, gumshoe was gone for a long time aswell and he has done jackshit. Why wasn't he considered for nuking? And Maju is the only one that can be lynched in your stead atm. I mean, if this is the result of some legit scumhunting technique, I'll be surprised, cause the reasons you gave for these choices were shit No one else you can fancy us with? | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:37 Xatalos wrote: One point in favor of lynching jampidampi is that I like the people on jampidampi's wagon a lot more (not confident in Z-Boson but the rest feel townish). MajuGarzett's wagon has a lot of shady people (VA, Sentinel (Abenson), Jampidampi, Ace...). Judging a lynch by the people in it is not a good play, most of the time. | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:43 austinmcc wrote: My good sir, for someone who was unaware that deadline was approaching and voted on the basis of cookies, you are markedly active/opinionated. Perhaps this time would be well-used reading maju and jampi to come to your own conclusion. Or ... telling us how you feel about the replacement crew? I read them both, and I like a jampi lynch muuuch better. The cookies surely helped, but I did read the cases on them | ||
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On July 12 2013 06:49 jampidampi wrote: Read my filter in I Swear Mafia. Compare it my filter in this game. If you think a town Vayne, who is know to be highly analytical, could missrepresent the differences like this, then please tell me how. There is no way he came to those conclusions. Vayne is scum. So both Vayne and Maju are scum?? As I recall, they pretty much want each other dead: On July 11 2013 05:41 MajuGarzett wrote: While not all my posts have reads in them, I don't think its fair to call them fluff. At the very least I was trying to gain more information with which to make decisions by pressuring other players. On the reaction to Rayn, I was in the thread and expressed interest, then I left and by the time I was back all the talk about Rayn's motives had happened and after reading it I wasn't suspicious of him. VA says I never formed new reads but I think I was one of the first to talk about being suspicious of VA. I know I was suspicious of him before Firm Tofu brought it up. I also think my points against Onegu were novel. I would like clarification on how I was scummy on the Rayn thing unless its for the same reasdons that Xata stated. I'm willing to give DI's replacement some time. As there were others who suspected VA and none on Onegu ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
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SnB, I need your views on austin. You seem to want him lynched, despite him pretty agreeing with you on VayneAuthority. Why? | ||
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On July 12 2013 08:51 geript wrote: man this game is so frustrating for me right now Help me out. View SnB/austin interaction and see what you think of it | ||
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On July 12 2013 09:14 geript wrote: Did you have a specific interaction you were looking at? yea, snb asks austin about VA. austin agrees with snb. Snb still mentions he wants to lynch austin. Kinda weird imo | ||
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Z-BosoN's Digest A shitfest of crap All right, I'll take this time to go over some things that I feel are important. First of all, I want to apologize for playing like shit. I was a bit busy the last few days and am a bit drowned by the amount of stuff I have to read here, so I was mostly posting lazily, going with gut feelings instead of actually doing any sort of analysis. I seek to correct that. Secondly, I am completely unsatisfied with my reads. I feel like they are all shitty and wrong. My scumreads don't really make sense. This is just a vague outline of some of the players that I have notes on atm. I decided to post this anyways in the name of discussion. Even though I hate this fucking text to my core, I hope you guys read it still. First of all, let me establish who I'm confident is town: Xatalos - duh Oatsmaster - I find it hard for him to claim and save MZ, being scum. Seems chill in his posts. [Uon]Sentinel - Unless it's some ploy to nuke your afk buddy to gain towncred, I'm considering him town for now. People who I think may be townie, but not too sure: FirmTofu - Seems to be trying to figure things out. Despite being wrong, made a fair case on jampidampi. Not worrying about him too much. Onegu - his posts feel genuine. He posted somewhere that he "knows that Xatalos is 100% town". This is pretty scary for a beginner in mafia to post, I think. WaveOfShadow - He claimed, but I dunno. His activity level kinda dropped later on once people started laying off of him, but some of his posts seem really genuine as well. Should be left alone for now I think. johnnywup - Originally I thought him scummy, but after rereading his filter, his posts feel pretty genuine. Also, at one point, he posted "someone claim please" at a timing that would just feel awkward for scum. I dunno. Intuition and general feeling aside, judging from his contributions and his general posts, I would totally view him as scum, however, he has done very little in terms of scumhunting. Who knows. Alakaslam - He picks on me to better the quality of my posting, yet his own quality of posting is crap. He is very irreverent and useless in his posts. However much I don't like his play, he doesn't seem as scummy as I thought earlier, upon rereading his filter. Ugh, again, my brain wants to paint him black. And now a more shady region, where I have as null: Geript - Right now I have him as either town or a pretty good scum. As I was catching up to the thread and making my notes, he seemed to strike on some details in certain posts that were very fair. He started the game with a strong presence, looking quite townie. Later on, however, his play dived into a much weaker version of the initial geript. The post he made right after day1 lynches caught my attention On July 09 2013 12:49 geript wrote: If that's your case, then do you think I'm scum. From what I recall I was one of the first, the first in fact I think, to call the DI lynch a mislynch by the vote look. I also was quick to jump onto ON and then quick to jump off. From what I remember, I was the only one talking about the claim (and being too odd to be scum). I'm just not seeing how your points make Rayn scum but me not scum. This pretty much screams defense to me, and I view this post as pretty unnatural. Just like eminem in 8-mile, he's dissing himself so people won't use that against him later on. This has been amplified now that we know that Dandel was in fact scum. Another thing that annoyed me is him shooting down jampidampi nuke. So unnatural.. and I didn't find his explanation the least bit reasonable. Nevertheless, the townie thing to do would be to verify if people agreed with the nuke and whatnot, but ended up saving us a lynch. The change of attitude towards his lynch choice vs. the lynch choice of others in day two was pretty different from that same thing in day one. While in day one he thought DL was a mislynch, and tried as hard as he could to sway votes away from DL, in day two he decided to go to jampi fairly easily, not putting muhc of a fight. However, his activity is fairly high and shooting the nuke down just like that is calling attention to himself as scum. So yea, townie, or good scum. I don't want to lynch him tomorrow, so let him be for now. Don't even know why I decided to share my feelings here. austinmcc: Had a fairly bad start, and there are some things in his filter that would still make me suspicious like hell. I could go on about some of that, but his general activity seems to have me disinterested, for now. Rayne had a good point on him, though: In July Something, at 12:00, a wise man once said: Look at pages 71 -> where i claim. What does Austin do? Avoids the whole claiming thing!! He is happy to ask me about anything else and happy to answer questions about anything else but no, he does not talk aboutthe obvious contradiction in my behaviour. I even try to prod him into discussing it by saying "Are you even reading the thread?", but no, he won't. The obvious answer is that he is uncomfortable talking about something he knows more than he should and he knows i know more than what's been said in thread. I can't find any reason why you would not try to figure out why someone is lying as town. Look at Austin now. NOW he's ready to talk about my motives. rofl. EDIT: now that I see that austin has high activity levels as scum as well, this prompts me to paint him red as well. More on him later I guess. Ace: Spends a ton of time speculating. Most of his activity is rather useless and he doesn't seem to try to take a dominant spot amongst town. He loves to talk about peoples plans, and how this play and that play is stupid or not (here I refer to Rayne's play and Geript's play). However, one thing in a scum-ace scenario kind of troubles me. Ace spent a bucketfuck of time discussing and arguing how rayne's plan was necessarily scum-favored and that he was scum because of it, etc. This seems like a tedious thing to pursue if you are scum, like seriously. Normally I'd paint him green because of it, but I've heard that his scum-play is pretty good, so I'll keep him here in this mosh pit. ------------- I decided to go at length on these three players because I want to see if people agree with my say on them or not. I wanna still puzzle myself on the rest of the players to see if I can find anything else of value. The rest of the peoples I didn't add also go in this region. And now, towards my current shitlist. VayneAuthority - this post immediately put him on my watch-list: On July 08 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch. Given how easy the bandwagon was, I would look at the people defending him for absolutely zero reason if he flips town. Scum tryin' to get dat town cred. On the same token we can also analyze the people that are saying one thing and lynching john on the other once the flip occurs. If he flips scum, then there's not much to say. Rayn is probably town if he flips scum for being just about the only person to defend him. This seems to be a pointless post that ponders the different scenarios and draws no real conclusion from it. The main argument I have against him is how he claims he was "pretty confident" that rayne was town. Vayne mentioend afterwards that rayne does that type of shit as town. Here is his post after rayne's flip: On July 10 2013 07:09 VayneAuthority wrote: He was pretty clearly town after all he did the first day. Since roulette I have become much better at understanding his motives. We just have to decide if these dudes were right with their conspiracy theory or if scum is just trying to throw us off Now, as we can easily deduce, Vayne was pretty damn confident that rayn was town. As you all remember, there was a huge shitfest discussing whether or not the rayn nuke claim made him scum or not. Now, I ask you, as a townie who feels strongly about a dude you've played with being townie, what do you do? a) Defend him. Explain how this is something a town rayn would totally do (VA gave me this explanation later on). b) Shove off the discussion expressing how you are fed up with it. The difference is subtle, but if you look at the three posts VA made during the whole discussion: On July 09 2013 11:53 VayneAuthority wrote: I think rayn is town he just messed up. I thought ON might be scum too but wasn't sure enough of it to vote for that those are the 4 im looking at heavily after the voting. All 3 of them gave absolutely zero reason to flip onto ON last second On July 09 2013 22:18 VayneAuthority wrote: We should probably give this rayn thing a rest for a bit as its killing discussion before the night post. People that have a chance to die should really throw out some reads/cases before they are gone. I really need people's opinions on these three men, as I think they are all scum. gumshoe, ghost, onegu They don't have time to post anything meaningful in the thread but are able to show up last second and ninjavote for ON? Especially gumshoe who I know is much more capable than this. On July 10 2013 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote: I cant believe how long this rayn thing has gone on. If I didn't know better its just scum talking to each other and completely shutting down all discussion but that is not the correct answer. Here you see a different, incompatible story. From the three posts above, he thinks rayn is town, and wants to stop the discussion because it is clogging up the thread. Not because he thinks rayn is town or whatever. He doesn't even mention that rayn normally does that type of stuff as town. Please read the interaction which starts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=116#2312 And let me know what you think (right now I'm not sure if I'm nitpicking or if I stumbled upon the holy grail of finding Vayne scum) Next guy I want to point out is Kosh. Not much to say on him, but he comes into the thread fairly well, with a list describing some of the players and not really drawing too many conclusions. He complains the thread is slowing down: On July 11 2013 23:48 Koshi wrote: This thread is slowing down now. I thought/hoped I would get some more direction before the end of the day. So my scum vote would be FirmTofu. My inactive vote goes out to Stutters and Z-bosoN if he doesn’t deliver. But I am willing to vote for MajuGarzett if it is him vs VayneAuthority, because VayneAuthority seems upright. I don’t understand why people focus him so much. Maju is just pretty afkish and is now shooting his nuke to please Town, too bad nobody really discussed his target. But yeah, who is going to save a 48 hours afk guy? I am going to travel home and see if people contest my logic, if not I am just going to do like I planned 2 hours before deadline. Letting us know that he likes action and shit. Goes on to describe some more of the players, putting his scum vote on tofu. He makes a rather weak case against tofu that's entirely based on the fact that tofu didn't approve VA getting shot down. Ok, he might be on to something, I still have to review tofu, but he doesn't seem to push his reads at all. Makes a weak non-committing statement: ...But I am willing to wait on FirmTofu till the nuke falls. I am just putting my ideas out there for the moment. When town is active on the maju vs jampi debate (thread = sped up), he makes spectator-like comments regarding the game, instead of jumping in on the discussion: On July 12 2013 06:06 Koshi wrote: hahaha. I love this. You guys should check out the TL+ mafia game one day. It was so bad compared to this one. I wanted to change my vote to jampi but now that he posted I am reluctant to do so. At least MajuG gave us a nuke to play with when he left. I thought jampi was just going to leave butthurt like XigXag. But now I don't know again -_-* On July 12 2013 06:17 Koshi wrote: Is anybody going to drop a knowledge nuke soon? I think I am going to stay till the host does his Night post. I want to know how this ends :D. I dunno, I kinda feel he's scum. Anyways, give thoughts if you will. | ||
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On July 12 2013 09:52 FirmTofu wrote: Awesome, Z-BosoN decided to contribute. I agree with you on Koshi, but am going to have to disagree on Vayne for now. I reserve the right to change that opinion. You've been talking a lot about Austin and SnB. Could you give your thoughts on exactly you are concerned about with SnB please? Where would you place him on your reads? I didn't put him in cause I have to go over him carefully. He's much more relaxed this game than I remember him, but isn't particularly helpful and I remember I felt his "thoughts on the rayne claim " be totally out of place. His claim also felt very out of place, especially given that he's avoided all the major discussions so far (like Ace pointed out). It feels like he is pretty lazy this game, but I'll have to check carefully to see if it's mafia-oriented or not, right now I've had enough of mafia. Anyways, what do you disagree on VA? You seemed to think him scum earlier... what changed your mind? | ||
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On July 12 2013 21:46 Koshi wrote: @Z_BosoN You can say what you want, but this thread is slow in my prime playtime. And if it makes you happy, I will vote for geript as soon as day comes and I am still alive. Why geript? What do you think makes him scum? | ||
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On July 12 2013 22:20 VayneAuthority wrote: Did Koshi scumslip here? he thinks geript is scummy for shooting down a nuke to hit Maju and we didn't even flip Maju yet. Does he know Maju is scum? Everyone should ask themselves this question, as this is a potential actual slip when we see the Maju flip. Wait I thought geript shot down a nuke headed for jampidampi, no? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=116#2303 | ||
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On July 13 2013 13:00 Onegu wrote: I agree with z-bosan, his scum read list did put me to null on him and like xata said he could be 3p, but to be honest I would like a nuke on MZ and a lynch on S&b or z-bosan This is the third time you mention you'd love to lynch me. While I'm flattered, what is stopping you from making a case on me? Also, why do you want to lynch me even if I'm null? Who are your top scumreads? | ||
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On July 13 2013 12:54 WaveofShadow wrote: If you were town you'd care a hell of a lot more about me pushing you. Also Wave's Conspiracy Theories™ aren't alignment indicative. Did it in Les, did it in Basterd. I'll grant you the dick-move analysis but the weak as fuck suspicion I didn't like when you kept bringing it up for no apparent reason. I don't see any reason to drop a scumread you've had all game for one post. Makes no sense. Z-Boson, I could lynch you too so by all means, keep telling me who 'we're not lynching today.' So, if I piss you off enough, you'll lynch me? You should ask for advice, you know, on how to play and such. We aren't lynching geript because: 1) I reread his filter and after thinking about it it's completely not what a scum would do to risk yourself stopping a nuke against a townie. 2) There are much better lynch options. More on 2) later. | ||
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On July 13 2013 20:23 Koshi wrote: So I found this connection between geript and Z-BosoN: geript and Z-BosoN were pushing a CA lynch D1, you can check that on the vote list. geript doesn't want to go for DI at all. Eventually jumps on the ON train. But while going for CA he posted this gem. I though FirmTofu could make bad lists but this one is either completely out of context or just really really bad. Z-BozoN is also casually mentioned. Dandel Ion is mentioned twice and had some extra content between (), same for oats. I don't know why they are special... Well, 1 is confirmed to be special, not to mention that his scums are the medic, the alive confirmed town, CA and myself...+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 14:09 geript wrote: Ok so here's a few very important lists. Town if you have a nuke and you absolutely have to fire it, then you need to fire it at one of the following people (my personal preferences are in red): Dandel Ion (if he doesn't post again) ghost_403 Oatsmaster (if he continues to not do anything) Stutters695 Z-Boson Abenson MajuGarzett strongandbig TanGeng Caucasianasian jampidampi Nirvana.Gabo If you're really daring, you can also fire it at these people, but I expect these guys to be given a day 1 pass: Austinmcc Dandel Ion (if he actually posts something worthwhile) Oatsmaster (if he actually decides to play) FirmTofu As everyone will notice there are 14 fucking different names on this carpet bombing list out of 27 players and at least 6 of which are complete fucking lurkers. And then on top if it there's Chezinu who we need to figure out what we're going to do with as Ace has pointed out. So you guys need to get your asses in high gear to do your jobs as a townie because not all of those guys can be scum. I understand that this is a theme game and it's got nukes. Plus it's always fun to win with style, but it's WAAAY more fun to win than to lose with style. And it's even worse to lose because you played a game where half the players are dead weight. Z-BosoN eventually stays on CA even if it was a call out of the blue (Xatalos his words), but also wants to jump on an austin train. + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 04:20 Z-BosoN wrote: wait wait, I can totally do austin Anyone else? Connection between Z-BosoN and geript? + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 04:22 Z-BosoN wrote: It seems that people are willing to policy lynch. If it's a policy lynch, I would rather CA, because I think he's a better choice, because I agree with gerupt (see my filter, I commented on this earlier). And then this gem. + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2013 11:28 Z-BosoN wrote: Geript is not getting lynched, WoS. Who else would you want to lynch? Sooooo, you would think that they are good friends right? Or at least trust each other to be town: + Show Spoiler + On July 12 2013 09:44 Z-BosoN wrote: Z-BosoN's Digest A shitfest of crap All right, I'll take this time to go over some things that I feel are important. First of all, I want to apologize for playing like shit. I was a bit busy the last few days and am a bit drowned by the amount of stuff I have to read here, so I was mostly posting lazily, going with gut feelings instead of actually doing any sort of analysis. I seek to correct that. Secondly, I am completely unsatisfied with my reads. I feel like they are all shitty and wrong. My scumreads don't really make sense. This is just a vague outline of some of the players that I have notes on atm. I decided to post this anyways in the name of discussion. Even though I hate this fucking text to my core, I hope you guys read it still. First of all, let me establish who I'm confident is town: Xatalos - duh Oatsmaster - I find it hard for him to claim and save MZ, being scum. Seems chill in his posts. [Uon]Sentinel - Unless it's some ploy to nuke your afk buddy to gain towncred, I'm considering him town for now. People who I think may be townie, but not too sure: FirmTofu - Seems to be trying to figure things out. Despite being wrong, made a fair case on jampidampi. Not worrying about him too much. Onegu - his posts feel genuine. He posted somewhere that he "knows that Xatalos is 100% town". This is pretty scary for a beginner in mafia to post, I think. WaveOfShadow - He claimed, but I dunno. His activity level kinda dropped later on once people started laying off of him, but some of his posts seem really genuine as well. Should be left alone for now I think. johnnywup - Originally I thought him scummy, but after rereading his filter, his posts feel pretty genuine. Also, at one point, he posted "someone claim please" at a timing that would just feel awkward for scum. I dunno. Intuition and general feeling aside, judging from his contributions and his general posts, I would totally view him as scum, however, he has done very little in terms of scumhunting. Who knows. Alakaslam - He picks on me to better the quality of my posting, yet his own quality of posting is crap. He is very irreverent and useless in his posts. However much I don't like his play, he doesn't seem as scummy as I thought earlier, upon rereading his filter. Ugh, again, my brain wants to paint him black. And now a more shady region, where I have as null: Geript - Right now I have him as either town or a pretty good scum. As I was catching up to the thread and making my notes, he seemed to strike on some details in certain posts that were very fair. He started the game with a strong presence, looking quite townie. Later on, however, his play dived into a much weaker version of the initial geript. The post he made right after day1 lynches caught my attention This pretty much screams defense to me, and I view this post as pretty unnatural. Just like eminem in 8-mile, he's dissing himself so people won't use that against him later on. This has been amplified now that we know that Dandel was in fact scum. Another thing that annoyed me is him shooting down jampidampi nuke. So unnatural.. and I didn't find his explanation the least bit reasonable. Nevertheless, the townie thing to do would be to verify if people agreed with the nuke and whatnot, but ended up saving us a lynch. The change of attitude towards his lynch choice vs. the lynch choice of others in day two was pretty different from that same thing in day one. While in day one he thought DL was a mislynch, and tried as hard as he could to sway votes away from DL, in day two he decided to go to jampi fairly easily, not putting muhc of a fight. However, his activity is fairly high and shooting the nuke down just like that is calling attention to himself as scum. So yea, townie, or good scum. I don't want to lynch him tomorrow, so let him be for now. Don't even know why I decided to share my feelings here. austinmcc: Had a fairly bad start, and there are some things in his filter that would still make me suspicious like hell. I could go on about some of that, but his general activity seems to have me disinterested, for now. Rayne had a good point on him, though: EDIT: now that I see that austin has high activity levels as scum as well, this prompts me to paint him red as well. More on him later I guess. Ace: Spends a ton of time speculating. Most of his activity is rather useless and he doesn't seem to try to take a dominant spot amongst town. He loves to talk about peoples plans, and how this play and that play is stupid or not (here I refer to Rayne's play and Geript's play). However, one thing in a scum-ace scenario kind of troubles me. Ace spent a bucketfuck of time discussing and arguing how rayne's plan was necessarily scum-favored and that he was scum because of it, etc. This seems like a tedious thing to pursue if you are scum, like seriously. Normally I'd paint him green because of it, but I've heard that his scum-play is pretty good, so I'll keep him here in this mosh pit. ------------- I decided to go at length on these three players because I want to see if people agree with my say on them or not. I wanna still puzzle myself on the rest of the players to see if I can find anything else of value. The rest of the peoples I didn't add also go in this region. And now, towards my current shitlist. VayneAuthority - this post immediately put him on my watch-list: This seems to be a pointless post that ponders the different scenarios and draws no real conclusion from it. The main argument I have against him is how he claims he was "pretty confident" that rayne was town. Vayne mentioend afterwards that rayne does that type of shit as town. Here is his post after rayne's flip: Now, as we can easily deduce, Vayne was pretty damn confident that rayn was town. As you all remember, there was a huge shitfest discussing whether or not the rayn nuke claim made him scum or not. Now, I ask you, as a townie who feels strongly about a dude you've played with being townie, what do you do? a) Defend him. Explain how this is something a town rayn would totally do (VA gave me this explanation later on). b) Shove off the discussion expressing how you are fed up with it. The difference is subtle, but if you look at the three posts VA made during the whole discussion: Here you see a different, incompatible story. From the three posts above, he thinks rayn is town, and wants to stop the discussion because it is clogging up the thread. Not because he thinks rayn is town or whatever. He doesn't even mention that rayn normally does that type of stuff as town. Please read the interaction which starts here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=116#2312 And let me know what you think (right now I'm not sure if I'm nitpicking or if I stumbled upon the holy grail of finding Vayne scum) Next guy I want to point out is Kosh. Not much to say on him, but he comes into the thread fairly well, with a list describing some of the players and not really drawing too many conclusions. He complains the thread is slowing down: Letting us know that he likes action and shit. Goes on to describe some more of the players, putting his scum vote on tofu. He makes a rather weak case against tofu that's entirely based on the fact that tofu didn't approve VA getting shot down. Ok, he might be on to something, I still have to review tofu, but he doesn't seem to push his reads at all. Makes a weak non-committing statement: When town is active on the maju vs jampi debate (thread = sped up), he makes spectator-like comments regarding the game, instead of jumping in on the discussion: I dunno, I kinda feel he's scum. Anyways, give thoughts if you will. How is geript in "The Z-BosoN Digest" leaning towards scum? It doesn't make any sense, If you are such big friends in the entire thread, even the last post of Z-BozoN is saying he personally will make sure that a geript lynch is not going to happen. I also suggest you read the Z-BosoN filter (only 4 pages), you will see that Z-BosoN never asks advice from geript, or puts geript on the spot. While Z-BosoN does this with others. Imo they are secretely talking to each other in the hidden scum forum. They just make leaps towards each other that we are missing in this thread. The interaction between them is off? I don't know how to explain it propperly but can somebody please look at this and give me their opinion. ________________________________________________________________________________ Ok so the editing in this post is a bit off, I started with a text and added stuff in between and now I can't make it look good again. But the TLDR: ----> Together on the CA lynch, respect each other. ----> Keep mentioning each other on their scum lists in the gray area part ----> Are not putting pressure on each other ----> Going even further and Z-B taking it personal when WoS points fingers at geript I defended geript cause I think he's town... see above post. I lynched CA because I didn't like a DL lynch. Also, don't look for associations before you've seen flips, that's just bad play. | ||
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1) You had this to say about xatalos: Everybody respects him, so I respect him. Unlike Ace Xatalos is wrong about everything though. Pushed the nuke and pushed the lynch… If FirmTofu is scum, this guy might be scum as well. But it would be soooooo obvious. Even I know that a bit of secrecy is good in this game. You have explained your supposed "association" with me and geript, but from that part of the post it looks like you've had Xatalos and Firm associated as well. Can you explain why it would be soooo obvious if Firm and Xata are scum together? Also, it seems to me that by that post, you don't really like Xatalos play, because he is wrong about everything, and better yet, you don't think he is town. However, when talking about austin, in the same post, you had him as town: When I joined the game this guy was taking the lead while also making sense, he is for me on the same level as Xatalos. Town for me. I find it troubling that you didn't make it clear that Xatalos is town when you were talking about him, but suddenly when you started talking about austin, you let us know that he is a town read to you. What gives? 2) Regarding Onegu, you had this to say: Looks to be playing without secrets, which makes him town for me. Other people also like him a lot. Can you name the people that "like him a lot" and be a bit more specific on that part please? That would be helpful. 3) Please go through SnB's filter and tell me what you think. You have to do better than "he's inactive". | ||
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When did you start disliking Onegu? First of all, he's not on your list: On July 13 2013 22:07 Chezinu wrote: Assuming Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel) is innocent with that nuke and assuming vayne is innocent for voting dandel ion day 1 (we can come back to him), I narrowed down my previous list to: 5. Z-BosoN previous list: + Show Spoiler + 5. Z-BosoN 6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel) 13. VayneAuthority 22. jampidampi And second of all, he wants me dead: On July 12 2013 06:50 Onegu wrote: What happened I didnt like a MG lynch to much and jamp is scum why was he protected I cant wrap my head around it. Also s&b is scummy, but I am sure z-bosan in scum and needs to be lynched.. ##vote: jamp On July 13 2013 13:00 Onegu wrote: I agree with z-bosan, his scum read list did put me to null on him and like xata said he could be 3p, but to be honest I would like a nuke on MZ and a lynch on S&b or z-bosan So it seems to me like an odd choice for you to pursue. Care to answer? | ||
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On July 14 2013 03:45 Chezinu wrote: I started reading the dead people's post and came across this: His top suspect Onegu is an immune one, voted ON, and voted jampidampi. So, I was thinking that he could possibly be scum especially since not many people have talked about him. Oh and I think your the planar dragon. So in a way I was telling you to kill him. Muhahaa. Or you could be scum.... if town.. then oops. Dear mafia, Please don't kill me for trying to get the planar dragon to burn you alive. k thanks, Chezinu Isunizehc A lot of people have voted on ON and then on jampidampi. Of all people, why choose the one that wants your top suspect dead? What sets Onegu apart for you? | ||
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On July 14 2013 03:47 strongandbig wrote: yeah i want to kill austin. if ace's nuke is the only one flying at maju and we know it's fake, why hasn't someone else nuked maju yet? are we out of town nukes? that would be lame. anyway i'ma vote austin. I srsly think there were scum behind the original name lynch and they woudl have needed a leader, and austin is that person. ##vote: austinmcc No, you don't get off that easily. What part of austin's defense did you not agree with? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=139#2764 Or is the only reason that you are voting for him is because he led a lynch on a townie? | ||
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On July 14 2013 04:01 Chezinu wrote: So Planar dragon, if you haz third party nukes, who would you nuke? If I had third party nukes, I'd nuke whoever my third party objectives would dictate :D As it stands, I'm convinced that if third party had any nukes, they have already used it. Now if I had townie nukes, I'd prob kill gumshoe or some other lurker-with-good-chance-of-being-scum. Or even yourself, who rambles on about your stupid brotherhood the entire time ^^ What do you mean regarding "austin knows stuff" | ||
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On July 14 2013 04:29 Chezinu wrote: he knows about the game. the different nukes, the redirector, the stealth nukes... He knew my nuke may not have killed Xata. he spoiled the surprise... I feel I am lost, can you link the posts your are referring to ,please? | ||
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On July 14 2013 04:34 Chezinu wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=21#402 Now, for this information you cantz nukes me That's just speculation Chezinu the Brown. He himself could have another type of nuke, be as mafia or town. Apart from him "knowing stuff", don't you want to comment on the cases put forth against him? | ||
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On July 14 2013 04:48 Chezinu wrote: austin is a good person... and I knows him? Its easier to kill a stranger than someone you know. I knows him too, but tis the sad fate of those who play mafia. If I were you, my soft person, I would listen to the Planar Dragon. He is not as evil as you may think. What of MG? I see indifference to him in your posts, and he's a popular lynch choice for today. Are you against it? | ||
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On July 14 2013 12:00 Onegu wrote: So in thismgame you have had scum reads on Ace,, Austin, Alakaslam, WoS, Johnnywup, Rayne, Vayne, Koshi, and S&B, and maybe chezinu as you have a post about if anyone disagrees with him being scum. But your votes have been on CA for lurking, and Jamp for cookies So out of 25 people you have had scum reads on 10 of them and voted for 2 more, you are waffleing so much and barely contributing, you have had one good post on reads and the others are just basicly saying you feel someone is scum. VOTE-BOSAN lolwut don't contribute? I contribute more than you. In fact, my earlier contribution put me back to null on you I agree with z-bosan, his scum read list did put me to null on him And now just because I baited you into voting for me you easily do so?? And your case is that I have had many scum reads, even though right now I have like 3-4? You're pathetic. Or scum. Have to see which. | ||
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On July 15 2013 02:36 Onegu wrote: You have had 10 (11 if you count me) scum reads but your votes havent been on one of your reads. And your actions after you list made me feel scum on you which I said. Is this your big tell? I've never had 10 simultaneous scum reads, they go changing as I gather more information. That's called scumhunting, something which is next-to-null in your filter. Also, there's a difference between " omg! you scum!" and " hmmm... xxxx is suspicious" read my filter and you will see my real scumreads. Btw, your choice for lynch makes little sense from a townie perspective. The moment I bait you into voting me, you do just that. And yet, you agreed with my lists. You agreed that geript shouldn't be lynched today. You agreed with me on austin. Your choice to pursue me seems to be strictly based on the fact that you have already casually included me in your scum lists thrice, and nothing else (which is why I baited you), and not on the fact that you really think I'm scum, your "10 scum reads" thing is weak as all hell. And btw, "waffleing" is a townie characteristic, as townies = confused and scum = certain. If you are town you have to do better than that. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:15 Koshi wrote: Ok thank you. You are seeing this game exactly like I am. How is he seeing the game exactly as you are? The bolded is not what you are agreeing with down here: On July 15 2013 00:34 Koshi wrote: I am willing to vote on geript, Austin, CA, gumshoe, Chezinu. In that order. Day 4: MG if the nuke is fake Stutters if the nuke is real It sucks that we can only kill 1 guy a day. That's really stupid imo and makes this game pretty slow. The only thing you guys agree with is geript, but you are totally willing to kill Austin and CA | ||
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On July 14 2013 03:47 strongandbig wrote: yeah i want to kill austin. if ace's nuke is the only one flying at maju and we know it's fake, why hasn't someone else nuked maju yet? are we out of town nukes? that would be lame. anyway i'ma vote austin. I srsly think there were scum behind the original name lynch and they woudl have needed a leader, and austin is that person. ##vote: austinmcc He's just parked his vote there and didn't really do anything to pursue his scumread. His next two posts are fluffy and don't add much to the thread. He also did the same thing with vayneauthority later on: On July 12 2013 02:18 strongandbig wrote: four, at least also im voting va ##vote: vayneauthority i think hes had a bunch of scummy behaviors so id rather lynch him. That seems disinterested as all hell, and reeks of lazy scum play. Also, before voting Vayne, he had his vote on DL, for equally bad reasons: On July 09 2013 02:34 strongandbig wrote: ima vote dandelion cause i dont like him that's a lurker lynch right? or a policy lynch cause he is thread poison? or is there a case on him somewhere actually what cases are there on actual people? ##vote: dandeloin also did anyone say anything about the thing i posted before? that really looks like a weird thing that va said. Townie SnB is much more interactive and has much better posts. Trying to think if I should try to push a wagon on him right now. He seems like a great choice, because I've been trying to put pressure on him left and right for some time, and it seems like it just doesn't catch, despite him looking like a scummy-as-fuck player. | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:30 Koshi wrote: Z-Boson. Are you fucking blind? GUMSHOE IS THERE AS WELL Are you fucking dumb? You're ok with lynching CA and Austin, while he isn't. Wtf is your problem? Play nice, dude | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Onegu isn't scum. Pretty sure CA isn't either; people were saying that he played the TL+ game exactly this way as well as town. I could do SnB, but I haven't seen enough of his play in other games to know his meta. Everyone voting Austin or MG needs to really think about what they're doing right now. Care to elaborate? | ||
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On July 15 2013 03:45 Koshi wrote: You say that we only agree on Geript, while we also agree on not killing MG (which is rare) and that gumshoe is an option as well. I have also said 1684567856444 times in this thread that I am pro Austin and the only reason that I want him lynched is because Xatalos said so. CA is CA and I don't really want him lynched but I wouldn't mind. Fucking hell. Oh boo-hoo I didn't mention gumshoe omg You disagree with him on austin, a top lynch choice for today. But you say you view the game in pretty much the same exact way, not trying to discuss that aspect in the slightest. Are you like 15 or something? | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm a person. Z-Boson, I already elaborated. I actually need to go read Chrono Trigger for another reason as well---good reason as any to have a look at SnB's play. Oats you're better at yelling at people than me. Less than 3 hour to lynch, no consolidation. Do your thing breh. Hmm, given that he's a newer player that post does seem fairly implausible. Also, for SnB, take a look at mario mini: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=381440&user=strongandbig 100% a different player. | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha I kind of agree here. For what it's worth though I'm pretty sure Koshi is town. I don't think I've ever seen mafia do in-depth numbers analysis like he did, and it wouldn't make sense to try and alert the town to KP reduction possibilities. Z Boson I'd like you to comment on Geript atm. You already shot my case down but you really didin't offer much in terms of reasoning, and especially now that we know that if we simultaneously lynch and nuke MG we don't find out if the nuke is real or not it makes sense that Geript is looking to bury info and buy scum as much time as possible. Problem I'm having with geript lynch is two things 1) His posts in beginning of day1 were pretty decent. I recall that when I was catching up I ended up agreeing with him in a lot of aspects 2) Him shooting down jampidampi nuke for his weird-ass reasoning if a reaaally weird play to make as scum. Only possible scum scenario I can think of is if he wanted some town cred for shooting down a townie, but that's just so risky. Can you link the main points against geript you'd like me to answer? | ||
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As I see it, we agree on two options: gumshoe and SnB (two similar low-profile players who look scummy) Now, lynching MG seems kinda pointless because of the nuke sent at him, which has some chance to detonate and kill him. Austin I feel still has good chances of being scum, but I'm hesitant to lynch him at the moment because of his activity as of late (even if that's something a scum austin would totally be capable of). Geript I want to talk about more, but I don't feel he's a good lynch choice for today. That being said, I would like to discuss SnB and gumshoe more, once were finished with geript | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Holy shit I'm going to need a fucking week to read Chrono Trigger. What the fuck guys? Read his 11 page filter on mario I posted earlier, you don't need to see the game and shit to be able to tell how different it is from this game. In Chrono, he was at least trying, he was my scumbuddy, so I remember it a bit Right now he's with this weird "I don't give a shit" attitude that seems contrived, and is anti-town regardless Will investigate geript right now on your earlier post | ||
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On July 15 2013 04:32 Stutters695 wrote: Z-bos how is shooting down a nuke on a town risky? A scum life is worth like 4 town generally(unless it's something like the by letting him die it gives them an endgame quicker. Risky I mean in the sense that he's gratuitously sticking his neck out for shaky-ass reasons. | ||
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austin only decides to become superactive second time in a row right near lynch time, but snb's play is so fucking shitty this game. | ||
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On July 15 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't like that Austin is currently leading in votes right now. Austin I think we may have to switch. nononono not this again don't judge a wagon by the people in it or by how many are in there. Judge it by how scummy you think the person in the wagon is. | ||
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Whatever happened to: On July 12 2013 07:21 Ace wrote: snb hasn't been playing like himself in CCM at all. He's far more laid back in this one. The only issue with him is he claimed out of the blue. If he is scum he's managed to avoid every important wagon and discussion, only to attract attention for that claim? Is this metagame argument you gave the only reason you want to kill SnB for? | ||
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SnB is playing fucking shitty but I have no idea whether it alludes to anything in his alignment. This post here sounds kinda genuine: On July 12 2013 05:02 strongandbig wrote: fucking hell geript dip-shit there are clearly anonymous scum nukes targeting strong town players if you have a town defense why in the hell would you not save it to stop the anonymous scum nukes on townies. The only alternative I see plausible with this post is if both SnB and Geript are in a scumteam. From Chrono Trigger mafia I remember that he liked setting up these kinds of plays, and snb hasn't really done much in pressuring geript because of it. But anyways, I'll go with the simplest case, that to me, geript is actually town and that scum SnB wouldn't overreact that harshly if he knew that jampi was town. Also, he claimed his role at a stupid-ass time, which kinda leads me down the lazy townie path. I dunno. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:12 Ace wrote: That is not the reason I want to kill SnB. Read what I just quoted. I'm sorry, I can't seem to find the reason from what you quoted. You are basically building your case for SnB on the premise that having 4 immune ones in one game is way too anti-town and is not a plausible set-up. This is the metagame argument I referring to. Is there any other reason you want to lynch SnB for other than: 1) He's lurky 2) There can't be 4 dudes spreading radiation? Just to be clear. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:21 Ace wrote: Yes. I don't think that 4 Town IOs exist. Him being lurky is part of it, but the IO thing is the biggest. Add in its austin/vayne/stutters situation or this one in my mind, and I think this is much simpler to solve. No other reasons outside of that. Also, I think it now comes down to him and austin, and I don't think there is enough evidence to convict austin. What he is saying makes sense: Vayne, if he has no nukes may not be notified he was raided. Vayn'e case against austin went off because he didn't get mod confirmation and felt something was fishy. I dunno man, I feel it's bad play lynching based on setup spec, solely. I remember that in liquid city there were like 5 claimed medics and I was desperate to lynch into them because I thought it would be dumb to have that much. ALso, please tell me what you think about these thoghts I put forth against an SnB lynch: On July 15 2013 06:10 Z-BosoN wrote: After some more reading on SnB: SnB is playing fucking shitty but I have no idea whether it alludes to anything in his alignment. This post here sounds kinda genuine: The only alternative I see plausible with this post is if both SnB and Geript are in a scumteam. From Chrono Trigger mafia I remember that he liked setting up these kinds of plays, and snb hasn't really done much in pressuring geript because of it. But anyways, I'll go with the simplest case, that to me, geript is actually town and that scum SnB wouldn't overreact that harshly if he knew that jampi was town. Also, he claimed his role at a stupid-ass time, which kinda leads me down the lazy townie path. I dunno. I think it was you that said earlier that we shouldn't lynch into active folks, because in the endgame we will be going with lurkers and scum. I want to propose that we follow suit with WoS and lynch gumshoe, who has ninja-voted stutters and is completely useless in this game, with a fair chance of being scum. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:24 Ace wrote: there are several lurkers Wos, you want us to just burn through all of them? Wtf Ace, you are not making any sense. According to your own posts, gumshoe is a perfect as hell option here: On July 13 2013 08:50 Ace wrote: First 2 voters on the wagon being scum may be legit. Chezinu has been afk for a long time since his day 1 nuke. Haven't looked at where he was on other wagons. I'm leaning austin scum right now since he seems to have prior knowledge to how things work + prior suspicions before the Day post. When stutters comes back it may be easier to get to this, since he seems sure stutters is lying about his role PM. Alasklam being scum here is interesting but the theory is a little flawed. If he is scum, then hopping off the wagon when it's a secured lynch looks far worse for him if he is thinking about appearances. He would have to have confidence that no one would catch this until later. Based on the way he posts I doubt that. gumshoe and Onegu are far more suspect here. From here I gather, gumshoe is suspect On July 13 2013 06:59 Ace wrote: If I'm dead follow, actually read this stuff. I've been thinking about this game mostly from the DI/ON lynch as thats where most of my interactions have gone. The Maju/jampi lynxh also was similar in that we had a last minute turn around that ended up in a town death. If I'm dead I can't nuke Maju, therefore just lynch him. There are three things that need to be cleared up for us to win this game. First is this list: Xatalos jampi (dead) Onegu SnB All of them claim to have the same role, but can visit targets at night while being immune to radiation iirc. I doubt radiation is a good thing. All four being town isn't possible. 4 town roles able to run around infecting people just isn't a pro-town system. Deal with this. 2 of them that are alive also were on the wrong side of both Town lynches. Xatalos looks more Town than Onegu. snb has been mia and should be pressed. The 2nd thing is the ON/DI wagon and the jampi/Maju wagon. This is a little more inconclusive until Maju flips. As sson as he flips DO NOT forget to go back and check this out for common names and bs reasons. The last thing is the lurkers. I'm certain most of the active players are town. If not we are a bit screwed barring a miracle. We cant really kill the people playing active because if they flip Town we are all fucked as the game will fall into lurkers + scum. Be VERY careful with reads on active players. Find out who is secret nuking also. Gl. Here I read Lynching Lurkers is good! Thus for you, a gumshoe lynch would make sense, no? I get that you like SnB because of setup spec, but like I posted earlier I have a few reasons as to why snb could be town, while there are none for gumshoe. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:32 Ace wrote: @Z-Boson: whatever lynching gumshoe flips, we still have the same issue with austin/vayne/stutters/onegu/snb/maju. If he flips scum who looks bad? I haven't thought much about a geript-snb scum team. @jwup: More Town than snb. I don't have him as a definite town read. Can you comment on his reaction to geript nuke? I think it's a solid argument. Feels unnatural for scum to go ahead and be ultra-pissed for blocking a nuke on a townie, no? Also, vayne/onegu are pretty much town, I think we can consolidate on that. Maju is likely getting nuked. Austin is too active to lynch atm. Help me puzzle out SnB's claim then. Why would he claim at the time he did? It makes little sense. Also, do you recall how many people had claimed IO before he did? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:34 Ace wrote: Z-Boson: Read carefully. I've supported lynching lurkers before we got to THIS situation. Why would I want to lynch gumshoe and leave it unresolved? If you believe snb is a lurker then I'm actually following what you are quoting me for? right? I'm also NOT lynching Austin who is active and answering questions. How is this not making sense to you? Ok, gotcha. But like I said earlier, what irks me is the fact that you are willing to lynch based on the premise that "we cant possibly have 4 IOs" which is something I disagree with. | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:41 Ace wrote: SnB is definitely capable of faking a town reaction as Scum. I don't want to lynch gumshoe as we still have unresolved issues. It doesn't move the game forward at all. The timing of snb's claim isn't a tell one way or another for me. As either alignment, claiming there isn't going to get him in trouble. He wasn't a suspect and he didn't reveal information about another player like a detective would. He was safe. I think 3 people claimed IO before he did. He was the last claimer wasn't he? geript if you can show me a very strong argument that austin is scummier than SNB I'm all for it. Remember in my post I said we can go either way, but Onegu/SNB is simpler to solve. If it's possible that austin flipping scum answers questions about a bunch of other people I'm down for the discussion. So why would a Scum Fake-claiming SnB casually go ahead and claim a role that has been claimed 3 times? Wouldn't that be stupid as hell? Why not make a smarter claim with fewer known roles? | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:42 WaveofShadow wrote: GUMSHOE NINJA VOTES AGAIN WHO DOES HE VOTE? SNB lolololol adios gumshoe ##vote gumshoe @ace It moves us forward in the normal sense that -> we will have info regarding MG's nuke you sent. -> Austin will have to bullshit for a couple more days if he's scum. -> we won't have to deal with a lurker ninja-voting and not giving a fuck | ||
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On July 15 2013 06:49 Ace wrote: I don't see how a gumshoe flip accomplishes anything with the MG nuke. Explain? I have the MG nuke telling us about Stutters. Well, in my mind the nuke will land and we will gain info about stutters. Will be accomplished regardless, no matter who we lynch. I dunno, I'm not that confident that gumshoe is flipping scum but there's no way we can win with him in the game ninja-voting and generally not giving a fuck. | ||
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If he flips scum, well, SnB will prob be like confirmed town, barring some decent play frm him. | ||
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On July 15 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote: I just have no motivation to play after that, don't expect me to be that active anymore Chill dude. Get a drink, do some jumping jacks, stretch a bit. Then return with your wisdom ^^ | ||
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Anyways, let's get our shit together. I'm putting a list of consensual townies here with the following explanation, so we don't feel shaky and doubtful. The time is ripe for order and justice! If you feel a player deserves to be included in it or should be left out, please explain the reasoning. Also, feel free to add additional reasoning. If you wanna call someone townie, light-green is the way to go. What's important is that the dark green is always in the 98%-100% certainty range. no-fucking-way-is-scum O come on... this guy can't be scum... I think 2. Koshi 3. Oatsmaster + Show Spoiler + Claimed, saved a townie. 4. Stutters695 5. Z-BosoN (hopefully this can become consensual, I've been pretty fucking townie, right? ) 6. [UoN]Sentinel 8. Ace 9. MajuGarzett 10. Johnnywup 11. Onegu 12. Geript 13. VayneAuthority + Show Spoiler + Pretty unmistakably townie play in this D2 deadline. 14. Strongandbig 19. CaucasianAsian 20. Alakasam 21. WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler + Claimed and pretty unmistakably townie play in this D2 deadline 26. Chezinu 27. austinmcc | ||
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