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On July 07 2013 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I will roleclaim! I am The Defender Of The House Of Chezinu! My objective is to kill all those who oppose the almighty GOD! Therefore, as said, i will revenge-nuke anyone who is going to oppose the truth. Don't push me! For mother Russia! For victory! For Chezinu! ##Nuke: Chezinu | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: There you go Xata, die! | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Nuke: Xatalos Btw better look at my country. You just nuked yourself as well | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 07:10 WaveofShadow wrote: How dare you MZ. When have I EVER been useless? Even though I was scum last game I still felt bad for the town because of how useless you were. Let's not repeat that again. I was an extremely busy talking head, what can I say? I dunno that was my first ever big themed game man; I wanted to have some fun. There are plenty of other people I've played with in here and I'd like to think they don't think I'm useless when I play fo realz. PS I plan on playing fo realz. You're probably scum now just like you were in PTP. Or maybe it was too scummy to be scum? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:27 geript wrote: Also, who the fuck is gumshoe? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:29 gumshoe wrote: A wild card. I have no existing meta Geript, does that frighten you? Well, we were scum together once (GoT). Does it frighten you that I know if you're scum? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:37 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: You called me out for posting in red 1min into the game. How alignment indicative is that? Why are you avoiding my question? What's the basis of your scum read on me? Ehh.. Let me rephrase; You are softly calling me out because i posted in red. Now you want to lynch me because of the first 20minutes into the game i decided to joke (mostly). - You call me out for something that's not alignment indicative (posting in red 1min into the game) - Later on, you think i am scum for meta when i have mostly joked around in this game, and Hydra 2 is a terrible exaple for my scumplay. I've seen geript's scum play recently (PTP) and I can tell you, it's not like this. His current filter has almost more scumhunting than his filter in that game. That should tell something. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:45 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:38 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 07:29 gumshoe wrote: On July 07 2013 07:27 geript wrote: Also, who the fuck is gumshoe? A wild card. I have no existing meta Geript, does that frighten you? Well, we were scum together once (GoT). Does it frighten you that I know if you're scum? That was the worst I've ever played in any game ever period regardless of the medium. I've had five second pacman wipes and six pool vs cc first loses (dont ask me how) that were more impressive than my play in GOT mafia. My play was so low that Gravity will compel me upwards from it. All you know of me are my darkest hours, Xata. Good luck recognizing my scum play on that basis. Well, you (we) won, and you were never even really suspected as scum. I wouldn't call that too bad. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:52 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:50 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:37 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: You called me out for posting in red 1min into the game. How alignment indicative is that? Why are you avoiding my question? What's the basis of your scum read on me? Ehh.. Let me rephrase; You are softly calling me out because i posted in red. Now you want to lynch me because of the first 20minutes into the game i decided to joke (mostly). - You call me out for something that's not alignment indicative (posting in red 1min into the game) - Later on, you think i am scum for meta when i have mostly joked around in this game, and Hydra 2 is a terrible exaple for my scumplay. I've seen geript's scum play recently (PTP) and I can tell you, it's not like this. His current filter has almost more scumhunting than his filter in that game. That should tell something. TBH, I really wouldn't use that game as a good judgement. I was too busy to play in that game. It's noble to handicap yourself willingly That just means you'll be scumhunting so much more during this game, correct? | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:55 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:53 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 07:45 gumshoe wrote: On July 07 2013 07:38 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 07:29 gumshoe wrote: On July 07 2013 07:27 geript wrote: Also, who the fuck is gumshoe? A wild card. I have no existing meta Geript, does that frighten you? Well, we were scum together once (GoT). Does it frighten you that I know if you're scum? That was the worst I've ever played in any game ever period regardless of the medium. I've had five second pacman wipes and six pool vs cc first loses (dont ask me how) that were more impressive than my play in GOT mafia. My play was so low that Gravity will compel me upwards from it. All you know of me are my darkest hours, Xata. Good luck recognizing my scum play on that basis. Well, you (we) won, and you were never even really suspected as scum. I wouldn't call that too bad. Yeah I rage quit, in case you forgot. My replacement won. You complained about it afterwards : P Heh. At least you did well enough to last until your replacement arrived to finish the job. Our success had probably more to do with town being so inactive and killing each other, though. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:59 Ace wrote: how do we win this game? By nuking you ASAP. | ||
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On July 07 2013 07:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:56 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 07:52 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:50 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:37 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: You called me out for posting in red 1min into the game. How alignment indicative is that? Why are you avoiding my question? What's the basis of your scum read on me? Ehh.. Let me rephrase; You are softly calling me out because i posted in red. Now you want to lynch me because of the first 20minutes into the game i decided to joke (mostly). - You call me out for something that's not alignment indicative (posting in red 1min into the game) - Later on, you think i am scum for meta when i have mostly joked around in this game, and Hydra 2 is a terrible exaple for my scumplay. I've seen geript's scum play recently (PTP) and I can tell you, it's not like this. His current filter has almost more scumhunting than his filter in that game. That should tell something. TBH, I really wouldn't use that game as a good judgement. I was too busy to play in that game. It's noble to handicap yourself willingly That just means you'll be scumhunting so much more during this game, correct? lol I have geript as town right now but the second he slacks off I will be all over him That's the right spirit. Also, if he starts complaining about balance we can assume he's scum. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:02 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:01 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 07:59 Ace wrote: how do we win this game? By nuking you ASAP. do it Already nuked Chezinu | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:08 Ace wrote: ##FoS Xatalos for nuking people already Some people just deserve it. You and Chezinu among them. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:05 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Second: What? That was about M_Z. So write more clearly. rofl, this is the full set of quotes which you failed to provide: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:41 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 07:15 geript wrote: True I did have to NK you that game. So other than Vayne, who's the best lynch? You down for lynching Dandel too? I'm pretty tempted by Rayn as well. I'd be down for a rayn lynch since he defended his scumbuddy WoS. @ geript: What do you think about this? I don't think MZ as scum would post as carelessly as that. What do you think about it? I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you? Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:48 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe is supertown. explain. This is like the scummiest statement you've made so far. Why? You have a supertown read on a person who I consider to be completely null. I want you to explain that shit so that I can either A understand the read or B call you scum for having a town read on a completely null player. Capice. So, as town you would like me to explain my read in case i can read gumshoe better than you. In here you are trying to paint me as mafia because i said something you did not understand. scum. Why call gumshoe supertown if you can't even give any reasonable explanation for doing that? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:17 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 08:05 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Second: What? That was about M_Z. So write more clearly. rofl, this is the full set of quotes which you failed to provide: On July 07 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:41 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 07:15 geript wrote: True I did have to NK you that game. So other than Vayne, who's the best lynch? You down for lynching Dandel too? I'm pretty tempted by Rayn as well. I'd be down for a rayn lynch since he defended his scumbuddy WoS. @ geript: What do you think about this? I don't think MZ as scum would post as carelessly as that. What do you think about it? I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you? On July 07 2013 07:48 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe is supertown. explain. This is like the scummiest statement you've made so far. Why? You have a supertown read on a person who I consider to be completely null. I want you to explain that shit so that I can either A understand the read or B call you scum for having a town read on a completely null player. Capice. So, as town you would like me to explain my read in case i can read gumshoe better than you. In here you are trying to paint me as mafia because i said something you did not understand. scum. Why call gumshoe supertown if you can't even give any reasonable explanation for doing that? I do not give explanations unless asked if i don't like to. Noone has asked me about that. Why are you defending geript? What do you think of our exchange? Well, you are asked NOW (and you already were before this). So why not answer? It shouldn't take long to think of the answer if you have one. Your exhange feels like you squirming and geript figuring out stuff. Ask yourself, which is townish and which is scummy? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:24 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 08:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 08:17 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 08:05 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Second: What? That was about M_Z. So write more clearly. rofl, this is the full set of quotes which you failed to provide: On July 07 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:41 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 07:15 geript wrote: True I did have to NK you that game. So other than Vayne, who's the best lynch? You down for lynching Dandel too? I'm pretty tempted by Rayn as well. I'd be down for a rayn lynch since he defended his scumbuddy WoS. @ geript: What do you think about this? I don't think MZ as scum would post as carelessly as that. What do you think about it? I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you? On July 07 2013 07:48 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe is supertown. explain. This is like the scummiest statement you've made so far. Why? You have a supertown read on a person who I consider to be completely null. I want you to explain that shit so that I can either A understand the read or B call you scum for having a town read on a completely null player. Capice. So, as town you would like me to explain my read in case i can read gumshoe better than you. In here you are trying to paint me as mafia because i said something you did not understand. scum. Why call gumshoe supertown if you can't even give any reasonable explanation for doing that? I do not give explanations unless asked if i don't like to. Noone has asked me about that. Why are you defending geript? What do you think of our exchange? Well, you are asked NOW (and you already were before this). So why not answer? It shouldn't take long to think of the answer if you have one. Your exhange feels like you squirming and geript figuring out stuff. Ask yourself, which is townish and which is scummy? If you are town why would gumshoe tell you (and tha thread) why his scum meta you "described" does not hold water? What? How many posts now have you wasted on OMGUS and WIFOM instead of just clarifying your stance and especially the reasons behind it? Uh... are you suggesting that I and gumshoe are scum together? And somehow making a public alliance to explain gumshoe's meta? That's pretty far-fetched. Or what do you mean? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos what the hell are you doing. I am not answering to you until you actually read and make a well-justified post. Like why the fuck would i be suggesting you and gumshoe are mafia together? Please reread my filter and get back to me if you want answers. Now you are just shitting up the thread with things that are completely wrong. I don't know either. That's why I want you to explain what you meant with that post (and your read on gumshoe while you're at it). | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:38 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:31 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 08:24 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 08:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 08:17 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 08:05 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Second: What? That was about M_Z. So write more clearly. rofl, this is the full set of quotes which you failed to provide: On July 07 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:41 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] @ geript: What do you think about this? I don't think MZ as scum would post as carelessly as that. What do you think about it? I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you? On July 07 2013 07:48 geript wrote: [quote] explain. This is like the scummiest statement you've made so far. Why? You have a supertown read on a person who I consider to be completely null. I want you to explain that shit so that I can either A understand the read or B call you scum for having a town read on a completely null player. Capice. So, as town you would like me to explain my read in case i can read gumshoe better than you. In here you are trying to paint me as mafia because i said something you did not understand. scum. Why call gumshoe supertown if you can't even give any reasonable explanation for doing that? I do not give explanations unless asked if i don't like to. Noone has asked me about that. Why are you defending geript? What do you think of our exchange? Well, you are asked NOW (and you already were before this). So why not answer? It shouldn't take long to think of the answer if you have one. Your exhange feels like you squirming and geript figuring out stuff. Ask yourself, which is townish and which is scummy? If you are town why would gumshoe tell you (and tha thread) why his scum meta you "described" does not hold water? What? How many posts now have you wasted on OMGUS and WIFOM instead of just clarifying your stance and especially the reasons behind it? Uh... are you suggesting that I and gumshoe are scum together? And somehow making a public alliance to explain gumshoe's meta? That's pretty far-fetched. Or what do you mean? erm, there isn't much WIFOM in his posts. Re-read, they are pretty clear explanations. As for the bolded how did you get to that conclusion. How did you arrive at "pretty clear explanations" after looking at his posts -.- I'm getting more and more confused by him. I'm still in the dark about what he was saying in that post, but the first thought that came into my mind was that I and gumshoe somehow purposefully reduced the chances of reading his meta or something. | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:44 Onegu wrote: On July 07 2013 08:05 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:47 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now you want to lynch me because of the first 20minutes into the game i decided to joke (mostly). I think you're misunderstanding what I've been doing. I just wanted to skip past the mafia foreplay and get straight into the calling scum phase. On July 07 2013 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not see a town motive for not reading the thread. Do you? So you're trying to soft call me scum for not reading the thread carefully in the first ~50 min. Isn't that a bit hypocritical First part: I don't understand? Explain. I'm on a time crunch before I have to work tonight and wanted to get past the jovial joking trolling foreplay phase of mafia and skip straight to the scumhunting/scumfucking part of it. Second: What? That was about M_Z. So write more clearly. On July 07 2013 07:48 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: gumshoe is supertown. explain. This is like the scummiest statement you've made so far. Why? You have a supertown read on a person who I consider to be completely null. I want you to explain that shit so that I can either A understand the read or B call you scum for having a town read on a completely null player. Capice. Going back his first post is explain, then his second is why he wants the read. Sure he does put some soft scum reads in there, but I think the requests are clear and reasonable. You are right. I misread that (or actually i took the accusative parts and missed the rest of his posts). My fault. What do you think of M_Z not reading the thread at all and calling me out for defending WoS? How does this change your read on geript? | ||
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On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote: Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. Who are you implying is scummy based on that? (As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........) | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:00 Ace wrote: You already know I don't give strong reads most of the time so don't act surprised. I consider Xatalos town atm by the way Actually Xatalos is almost definitely town. I'm happy you feel that way. Now, please clearly answer these two: A) Why is gumshoe "supertown"? B) What did your earlier post about me and gumshoe mean exactly? | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:08 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 09:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 09:00 Ace wrote: You already know I don't give strong reads most of the time so don't act surprised. I consider Xatalos town atm by the way Actually Xatalos is almost definitely town. I'm happy you feel that way. Now, please clearly answer these two: A) Why is gumshoe "supertown"? B) What did your earlier post about me and gumshoe mean exactly? a) i explained that in the very post b) see a) - If gumshoe was mafia and you town - why would gumshoe tell you, a town player, how to meta-read him better as he has claimed he is always a "wild card" who is unreadable? - If gumshoe is town and you town - makes sense, you don't waste time on him if you believe him, and he is telling the truth - If you are both mafia - why say that in thread? actually why would either of you enter that discussion (pointless) in thread? Ok, now I think I understand. You should have been clearer from the beginning. So basically both me and gumshoe are "supertown" for having that exchange..... Well, not sure if I agree with your logic, but at least there is a clear logic (the lack of which bothered me most until now). Although why this then? On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos: There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town. I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything". geript is scum for that, are you? | ||
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If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread. I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:45 Xatalos wrote: Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play. If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread. I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style. Maybe he has to claim is? Maybe someone else nuked and he just claimed it? I dunno, Chezinu as town usually is good in his reads from what i know. It's possible that he has to claim it. Still, it seems pretty suicidal even for him to nuke me now. Why would he claim it if he didn't shoot it? | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU! Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash. No, what loses town high KP games is the fact that townies or scum shoot town. Xatalos is the fucking towniest guy in thread besides gumshoe. You are probably scum for questioning me besides Chezinu's reasons for nuking Xata. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu Congratulations, you may be the dumbest person currently playing this game. You're also easily the scummiest. You start off super defensive, then proceed to shit up the thread with a dumb argument and then go after chez who is a pretty easy (but incredibly bad) target since he launched a nuke. Then you omgus. I'd be down a for a rayn lynch. Dandel, wos, austin, geript lets get some input here. Nope, not ready to lynch Rayn---I can read him pretty decently for the most part I feel so I'm gonna let him stick around. I remember thinking someone else was pretty scummy actually (and I still think it's MORE likely that Chez is scum than he isn't but whatever)...oh yeah, johnnywup. Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote: Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. This is some scummy shit, yo. Like....it's true, but it's such a 'Hey guys, let's be iirends' way of saying it. Also kind of funny is he says he doesn't see any scumtells yet calls everyone scummy. Wat. If I had to lynch right now, it'd be indeed johnnywup. So vague and meager. Not sure if I'm alive much longer, but this'll be my lynch choice in case I die. ##Vote johnnywup Going to sleep now, hopefully I'll live... | ||
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On June 21 2013 05:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Nukes can be fired up to 12 hours until the next deadline. It will be announced in thread whenever a nuke is fired. The nuke will trigger at the end of the deadline. There are many different types of nukes. So: 1) apparently every nuke will hit at the deadline, not before or after that time 2) there are different types of nukes I can say that I'm immune to one type of nuke, but clearly I'm still in danger of death, since I don't know which type of nuke Chezinu launched at me. Ultimately it will be resolved at the deadline. If someone wants to use an anti-nuke or something, feel free to do so, although I can't be certain if it's necessary or not. Chezinu, if you are town, I'd like to hear your reasoning for launching a nuke at me and the type of that nuke. On July 07 2013 18:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED A nuke has been spotted heading towards Meapak_Ziphh. This at least proves that nukes don't necessarily have to be claimed. Dunno if Chezinu's nuke required claiming, but there's at least a strong possibility that he claimed it without needing to. That makes him look more townish IMO - why claim if my town flip would just put him in a tough spot as scum? On the other hand, nobody claiming this nuke aimed at Meapak makes it likely a scum nuke... And Meapak town based on that. On July 07 2013 15:47 Alakaslam wrote: VayneAuthority is tunneling jwupwut I forget his name for a stupid reason. This doesn't implicate Vayne in and of itself. Jwupwut looks like town. Is that an actual read? If so, why? | ||
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On July 07 2013 18:23 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chezinu what was your motive for nuking Xatalos? Tell me why he's mafia. So, you are saying that Xatalos is mafia, but you want me to come up with reasons for you? You seem so certain that he is mafia in this statement. Not sure if Chezinu is actually being stupid or just pretending... | ||
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On July 07 2013 16:58 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: - If gumshoe was mafia and you town - why would gumshoe tell you, a town player, how to meta-read him better as he has claimed he is always a "wild card" who is unreadable? - If gumshoe is town and you town - makes sense, you don't waste time on him if you believe him, and he is telling the truth - If you are both mafia - why say that in thread? actually why would either of you enter that discussion (pointless) in thread? Here's my problem with this line of reasoning. Because meta is essentially worthless except for forming accusations or putting the icing on a nice big case, I don't think that talking about how to 'appropriately' determine someone's meta is pro-town or pro-scum. Scum can use it as a distration; town can use it to better give information and help solidify towniness. But it's not a way to get a town read imo. Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d WaveofShadow Onegu Vayne austin caucasainasian I agree that it's too early to call me or gumshoe "supertown" for some small early-game posts. But at least there's a logical reason here, so I'm not bothered about raynpelikoneet's early posts anymore. What I AM a bit bothered about is his admittance that your early pressure on him wasn't scummy after all, yet hesitating on saying how that affects his scumread on you. Why the weird reluctance? Well, I'm leaning town on him now anyway, so it's nothing too major. Btw geript, johnnywup doesn't appear scummy at all to you? | ||
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On July 07 2013 15:49 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 13:37 johnnywup wrote: On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote: On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out? Just tell me who is on your scum team. Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. could you please stop shitting up this thread? And this post is doing what? I really dont like most of your posts, that being said Im not convinced you are scum yet. Is chezinu just crazy and will be like this all game? Onegu's posting is giving me scummy vibes atm. This is just so non-committal. "johnnywup might be scum, or he might not. What should my read on Chezinu be guys?" And this earlier post... On July 07 2013 08:26 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos: There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town. I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything". geript is scum for that, are you? Wait what? This is only my third game but I thought the request was reasonable. And I would like to know why you are fighting giving reasons for makeing a town read so hard. I want reasons so I can compare my thoughts and give feedback just because you have a town read doesnt mean I do and your reasons my make me look at him in a different light. Many sentences, appears contributive. Doesn't actually do anything at all for the thread. Crosses the border to scummy semi-contribution IMO. | ||
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On July 07 2013 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 20:28 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 15:49 Onegu wrote: On July 07 2013 13:37 johnnywup wrote: On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote: On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out? Just tell me who is on your scum team. Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. could you please stop shitting up this thread? And this post is doing what? I really dont like most of your posts, that being said Im not convinced you are scum yet. Is chezinu just crazy and will be like this all game? Onegu's posting is giving me scummy vibes atm. This is just so non-committal. "johnnywup might be scum, or he might not. What should my read on Chezinu be guys?" And this earlier post... On July 07 2013 08:26 Onegu wrote: On July 07 2013 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos: There is a significant difference how people act as scum or as town. I say X is town. Town players usually ask me to provide some evidence on that, and base their read on me based on that evidence. Scum say "you are scum, you can't have a townread on him based on anything". geript is scum for that, are you? Wait what? This is only my third game but I thought the request was reasonable. And I would like to know why you are fighting giving reasons for makeing a town read so hard. I want reasons so I can compare my thoughts and give feedback just because you have a town read doesnt mean I do and your reasons my make me look at him in a different light. Many sentences, appears contributive. Doesn't actually do anything at all for the thread. Crosses the border to scummy semi-contribution IMO. The best part is that he asks my reasoning for my gumshoe read so that he can compare his thoughts on the matter and give feedback. When i give my reasons he does... nothing. :D Agreed that Onegu is scummy as hell. Haha, indeed. Btw I don't think you have mentioned johnnywup so far? Looks like he got 5 votes already and I'm fine with him being lynched, although Onegu might be even better. Both could be scum though I guess. | ||
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Sometimes simple is the right explanation. Like we should have lynched austinmcc earlier in PTP, but then we got sidetracked :/ johnnywup and Onegu have been vague and waffly so far -> good chances of flipping scum. No need to make it too complicated with "gathering votes too fast" or something like that. | ||
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Not moving my vote from johnnywup at this point, although I have to admit that the bandwagon feels to be going a bit too smoothly. And the ones resisting it are basically my townreads Well, there's still a lot of time to decide a possible better lynch, and at the very least this heavy pressure forces johnnywup to do something. Also indeed Abenson, why the heck would you stealth vote johnnywup? | ||
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On July 07 2013 23:59 johnnywup wrote: Okay, caught up reading since last night and reread some filters. A couple things: andel Ion said he's going to stop posting during dayphase which is pretty stupid. I mean, of course an excuse to not post is scummy as hell but I don't think he would be stupid enough to do that if he was scum >_> *I'd like him, Ghost_403, Oatsmaster, Stutters695, Z-Boson, Abenson, MajuGarzett, Strongandbig, gumshoe (he has posted a bit...but not about the game at hand...), CaucasianAsian, Nirvana.Gabo, FirmTofu all to start posting more. They haven't really given us any content to go off of. And that's like half the people in the game... *I'm not sure what to think about Chezinu's nuke and it makes no sense to me, so I'm not going to try to make sense of it for now. Oh crap, I just noticed Abenson voted me without saying in thread >_>. Would you like to give your reasons? You have given no indication of any opinion at all in this thread. I'd like you to tell me what you think about everyone. There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything. So if I were to say whos townie and whos scum out of those 5 I'd say Xatalos and Vayne are town and the other 3 are scum, but I need more to go on from Abenson but he really hasn't given me a good first impression. I've felt pretty strongly about WoS being scum since last night so I'm going to go ahead and put my vote there ##vote WaveofShadow Hmm. Actually I pretty much agree with this post. Not just really sure where that strong scumread on WoS is coming from. (Dandel Ion, start posting!!!) | ||
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On July 08 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: johnny is probably town, get your votes off him. Maju for example is far better target, and if you can't tell me what's wrong with my Chezinu-analysis you should be obviously voting for him. Honestly, I'd say that him flipping scum wouldn't surprise me. That nuke was insane as either alignment but makes slightly more sense as scum. Still, there are so many shady characters in the thread right now that I'm inclined to lynch one of them. Chezinu should reveal himself as scum more easily as the game continues (given his apparently careless play). | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:08 johnnywup wrote: These are the posts that WoS has made that have any value whatsoever: + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript town Gumshoe town Not sure on everyone else yet Be back again sooooooooooooooooooooon On July 07 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU! Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash. No, what loses town high KP games is the fact that townies or scum shoot town. Xatalos is the fucking towniest guy in thread besides gumshoe. You are probably scum for questioning me besides Chezinu's reasons for nuking Xata. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu Congratulations, you may be the dumbest person currently playing this game. You're also easily the scummiest. You start off super defensive, then proceed to shit up the thread with a dumb argument and then go after chez who is a pretty easy (but incredibly bad) target since he launched a nuke. Then you omgus. I'd be down a for a rayn lynch. Dandel, wos, austin, geript lets get some input here. Nope, not ready to lynch Rayn---I can read him pretty decently for the most part I feel so I'm gonna let him stick around. I remember thinking someone else was pretty scummy actually (and I still think it's MORE likely that Chez is scum than he isn't but whatever)...oh yeah, johnnywup. Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote: Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. This is some scummy shit, yo. Like....it's true, but it's such a 'Hey guys, let's be iirends' way of saying it. Also kind of funny is he says he doesn't see any scumtells yet calls everyone scummy. Wat. On July 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: You know what's funny? Both of the people voting for me currently have provided absolutely zero reasoning as to why I'm scum. Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 10:42 johnnywup wrote: I now remember why I stopped playing mafia, lol. Sorry if I look like scum, I haven't played in a looong time and even then I was terrible and always looked scummy as town. On July 07 2013 10:04 WaveofShadow wrote: ALL ABOARD THE TRAIN OF JUSTICE WOO WOOOOOOO!!! ##Vote: johnnywup Why wait until two others voted me to vote me? You already thought I was scum. I really do think vayne is scummy atm though. Nothing productive at all. (say what you want about me but you can't deny that vayne hasn't done shit). Look through his filter. I don't know if he's just lazy/bad town or purposefully doing nothing but not liking him :\ WoS is also not looking very good for me atm but I can't really put a finger to why. His sarcasm is questionable for me and obviously I don't like him voting for me (don't like anyone voting for me though, obviously). The only constructive post he has is the one that targets me, which is good, but for the rest of his filter he's sarcastic, talking about other games, etc. I don't know. Show nested quote + There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything. So essentially...glorified OMGUS, and he's voting me based on that and what might be a shitty gutread. Cool story brehhhh. Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:20 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 07:15 geript wrote: True I did have to NK you that game. So other than Vayne, who's the best lynch? You down for lynching Dandel too? I'm pretty tempted by Rayn as well. I'd be down for a rayn lynch since he defended his scumbuddy WoS. WoS I don't have a real read on yet. But I'm not happy with how he didn't make a response to my luv tunnel comment. He normally would joke back at that. Rayn is not acting all towny rayn and acting far more like Hydra 2 just getting in the way. This is literally the only reason I found for Geript to me voting me. Something fishhyyyy going on. And I don't think it's Geript. EVERYTHING else has been sarcasm/joking/talking about other games/trying to get people to bandwagon me/etc. I'll skip the first post because it's only arguably substantial. I mean, the other two are somewhat large posts (mostly because of the quotes) but all he really says is -quote- "This is some scummy shit, yo. Like....it's true, but it's such a 'Hey guys, let's be iirends' way of saying it. Also kind of funny is he says he doesn't see any scumtells yet calls everyone scummy. Wat." Which doesn't really say anything either. He is obviously wanting to get people against me at this point but isn't willing to come straight out and say I'm scum. And even what he's saying isn't that substantial...he missed what I was saying. "-quote- So essentially...glorified OMGUS, and he's voting me based on that and what might be a shitty gutread. Cool story brehhhh. -quote- This is literally the only reason I found for Geript to me voting me. Something fishhyyyy going on. And I don't think it's Geript." Don't you see it? HE'S NOT SAYING ANYTHING. He skips over everything I said and said "lol so ur calling me bad. ur scum" And he's not speculating on anything either, he's just saying "wow this is fishy! 2 people are voting me!" He hasn't made any post that says anything. This is every single post. He hasn't really done anything this whole game except say I'm scum. And I'm not scum. So the fact that he's focusing every single post on me is more than a little fishy for me. Hmm. Well, definitely WoS is being too wishy-washy and non-contributive for my liking. Maybe it's just that I tunneled him all D1 in my previous game (PTP) for much worse stuff (mindless sheeping, flip-flopping on his opinions etc.) and he was town, so that might be the case again this game (him being a scummy-looking townie). At the very least this post makes you look better yourself. | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah because clearly the strongest advocate for the biggest lynch wagon must be scum. Scum love to be the center of attention and troll and push their 'scumreads.' K. Anyway let me comment on some other stuff. Dandel is much lurkier as scum than town so mabes keep an eye on him. He tends not to give a shit about anything at all which is certainly evident thus far. As far as another lurker lynch I don't like it. There are WAAAYYY too many people who fit that description at this time and while I'd agree that there must be scum amongst them right now, it's basically a crapshoot and I don't know what our odds look like. Who is who thought Onegu might be scum? From watching his newbie games I'm pretty sure I could pick him out so let me have a look. Well, those are some good points as well. I think that Onegu might be a better lynch than either you or johnnywup atm. So yeah, please take a look | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:19 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 01:09 Xatalos wrote: On July 08 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: johnny is probably town, get your votes off him. Maju for example is far better target, and if you can't tell me what's wrong with my Chezinu-analysis you should be obviously voting for him. Honestly, I'd say that him flipping scum wouldn't surprise me. That nuke was insane as either alignment but makes slightly more sense as scum. Still, there are so many shady characters in the thread right now that I'm inclined to lynch one of them. Chezinu should reveal himself as scum more easily as the game continues (given his apparently careless play). They could both be town or both be scum launching positve nuke, xatalos has already posted he is immune to certain types of nukes, what if he gets a buff if hit with that type of nuke. The second only applies if both are scum, but if it is a straight up buff nuke why not claim it? Buff nuke? Are there such nukes? Well, anything is possible I guess. Do you honestly believe we're both scum and he's just trying to buff me like this though? If not, why speculate about it? There are many more useful topics out there right now, after all. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU! Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash. No, what loses town high KP games is the fact that townies or scum shoot town. Xatalos is the fucking towniest guy in thread besides gumshoe. You are probably scum for questioning me besides Chezinu's reasons for nuking Xata. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu Congratulations, you may be the dumbest person currently playing this game. You're also easily the scummiest. You start off super defensive, then proceed to shit up the thread with a dumb argument and then go after chez who is a pretty easy (but incredibly bad) target since he launched a nuke. Then you omgus. I'd be down a for a rayn lynch. Dandel, wos, austin, geript lets get some input here. It's hard NOT to be defensive in his situation (me and geript mainly were pressuring him for quite some time). I can understand him wanting to lynch Chezinu, a part of me also wants to lynch Chezinu right now. He has added zero value to the game and has even actively played anti-town by trolling and nuking me. That's why I'm also puzzled about your townread on Chezinu? Could you elaborate? | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:08 geript wrote: Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d WaveofShadow -- Something's off with WoS. I absolutely hate his town read on Gumshoe when it came out; it just reeks of scum play. I really hate this post + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Also hai guise I back. Did I miss anything important other than what is likely a whole bunch of town players all shitting on each other? Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 11:52 WaveofShadow wrote: On July 07 2013 10:30 geript wrote: On July 07 2013 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: But honey I didn't make it obvious! How did you figure me out? Just tell me who is on your scum team. Well since you caught me I feel it's only fair. It's me, Ace, SnB, CaucasianAsian, and of course I'm bussing johnnywup. I fully expected WoS to respond to this with a joke, but his list is a bit too random. Ace (solid towny), SnB (lurker), CA (scummy lurker), Whoops (stupid town). It feels very much like a "joke" response scum list I gave to Dandel last game. It's neither a true joke, but it's also not moving the game forward. Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote: You know what's funny? Both of the people voting for me currently have provided absolutely zero reasoning as to why I'm scum. I really hate this defense. He should at least see the irony in that he hasn't provided any reasons for voting Whoops which is pretty much I did for voting him. His filter is just exceptionally aimless and pandering. There's just not any attempt what I I perceive as typical WoS scum hunting. Onegu -- Last night/this morning I was really feeling an Onegu lynch. Something's changed when I read it today. I'm going to shift him back to null after rereading NMM XLIII Vayne -- He's not being arrogant at all which is what I remember from the town games of his that I've read/played/whatever. I don't have much experience with him, but he at least seems to try albeit seemingly badly and there's just no effort whatsoever being put in. His lack of attitude is just really putting me off. austin -- I just feel like this is exactly how he played the last game PTP and nothing like PYP. Austin as town is much, much better than this. I just really don't feel like feel like he's anything more than null which for him is pretty much a scum tell. caucasainasian -- He came in bitching about the thread and left. This is like a trademarked Gonzaw scumread. Both of his posts are essentially saying, "Uh I'm worthless right now but I'm here so you know guys stuff." Hmm. I agree about austinmcc. He felt useless in PTP unlike his town play (which is clearly townish) - and he *was* scum in PTP. I guess you could say that if he isn't townish, he's most likely scum. It's been enough time now IMO for him to start appearing townish, so unless he steps up soon, I feel like he almost has to be scum. What changed your read on Onegu to null? Vayne and caucasianasian feel null to me. Hard to say townish or scummy yet. WoS's play bothers me somewhat, but his play was worse IMO in PTP (and he was town). I'm not willing to lynch him yet, especially since there are better choices. Like Onegu, austinmcc, MajuGarzett, Abenson... Maybe even Dandel Ion for his very different play compared to his town play in PTP. Chezinu maybe, although it might be better to wait on him. | ||
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##Unvote Not completely sure yet about who we should lynch instead. | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:32 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 05:31 Xatalos wrote: I guess it's time to do this. ##Unvote Not completely sure yet about who we should lynch instead. Who's on your "yeah I could lynch that guy" list? Let's put it into two categories for now. Priority (today): austinmcc, Onegu Secondary (D2/D3 depending on what happens): Chezinu, WoS, Dandel Ion, TanGeng, Abenson Probably like that. Gotta reread stuff though. | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:34 geript wrote: I think I answered the point on Onegu. His play just looks slightly different to that of the NMM game I hosted and I'd rather have more time to see his thought process as he was pretty obviously scum in that game. Hmmm. Well, I guess there's nothing obviously scummy about him so far, but it just feels like a weaker scum player who's posting filler for the sake of posting. Mostly a gutread though. | ||
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##Vote austinmcc He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP. geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom? | ||
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On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game?On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote: I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now. ##Vote austinmcc He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP. geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom? Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to? Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think. Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town. I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though. What does your last sentence mean? | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: If MZ does not die to the nuke there is no way he is town. ? | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:08 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Right now?On July 08 2013 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Austin can you say something that helps us finding scum? Super active people need to stop posting so much. AMG THAT'S NOT SCUMHUNTING? Nope. Posting so much makes scumhunting harder, makes it more likely people will skim over important things, allows scum to hide, makes people who aren't contributing feel like they don't need to because other people are doing the work. If you guys calm down a little, finding scum will be easier. Other than that, I can't tell you anything at the moment, I don't think. That's not exactly reassuring about your alignment... :/ | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also whoever had a townread on Ace, explain. I don't see anything alignment indicative from him. Not sure if I said anything about Ace before, but actually I get the feeling he's probably town. I see no reason for him to engage in the discussion to defend you like that unless you're both scum or both town. Currently leaning both town, so there's that. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:15 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy.On July 08 2013 06:06 Xatalos wrote: On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote: On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote: What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game?I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now. ##Vote austinmcc He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP. geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom? Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to? Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think. Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town. I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though. What does your last sentence mean? I'm basically just asking filler questions I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be. As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me. That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me. Well, I did play with you in Paranoia (you were town) and PTP (you were scum). Your current play just seems closer to PTP, and that's my main reason for voting you. Your questions aren't really uninteresting in themself, but your way of posting them feels... uninterested I guess. You've just posted a series of questions here and there, but it's not making any kind of impact on the thread and you're not following up on them in any way. I'm not sure if you've even been answered to any of them? Doesn't look like it, just looking at your filter... There's no sense of discussion, drawing conclusions or anything, just some random questions thrown at the thread and then forgotten / not made use of. On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote: Right now I pretty much just hate this thread. I'm reading it, but not fully processing it, because a lot of it has nothing to do with anything and I wish people would quit posting so much. The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?). Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. But I also don't want to read filter at this point because he's been involved in all this early silliness. Also this post feels wrong. Weird complaining about the state of the thread, yet not doing anything about it or basically doing *anything* useful in the thread yourself. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 06:17 Xatalos wrote: On July 08 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also whoever had a townread on Ace, explain. I don't see anything alignment indicative from him. Not sure if I said anything about Ace before, but actually I get the feeling he's probably town. I see no reason for him to engage in the discussion to defend you like that unless you're both scum or both town. Currently leaning both town, so there's that. Actually he did not defend me at all. Both you and him misread my post, what else could he have said? Well, it was a confusing time, but his interactions with both you and me felt townish to me. It felt like he was trying to understand and help, and definitely felt like he was (at least softly) defending you there. Not putting him as a clear townread based on that, but leaning town definitely. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: TanGeng what makes you think geript is scum? Xata, reasonable would be the word i would describe Ace atm. That certainly does not make him town and MZ is either scum or really wrong with his reasoning. Reasonable..? I've observed one game where Ace was scum. There he just posted some random filler and stayed out of the discussion. Those early-game interactions this game felt very townish compared to that. He's not a good lynch for now at least, that's for certain. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:35 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Okeedoke. Those are much better reasons, imo.On July 08 2013 06:31 Xatalos wrote: On July 08 2013 06:15 austinmcc wrote: On July 08 2013 06:06 Xatalos wrote: As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy.On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote: On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote: What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game?I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now. ##Vote austinmcc He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP. geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom? Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to? Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think. Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town. I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though. What does your last sentence mean? I'm basically just asking filler questions I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be. As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me. That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me. Well, I did play with you in Paranoia (you were town) and PTP (you were scum). Your current play just seems closer to PTP, and that's my main reason for voting you. Your questions aren't really uninteresting in themself, but your way of posting them feels... uninterested I guess. You've just posted a series of questions here and there, but it's not making any kind of impact on the thread and you're not following up on them in any way. I'm not sure if you've even been answered to any of them? Doesn't look like it, just looking at your filter... There's no sense of discussion, drawing conclusions or anything, just some random questions thrown at the thread and then forgotten / not made use of. On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote: Right now I pretty much just hate this thread. I'm reading it, but not fully processing it, because a lot of it has nothing to do with anything and I wish people would quit posting so much. The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?). Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. But I also don't want to read filter at this point because he's been involved in all this early silliness. Also this post feels wrong. Weird complaining about the state of the thread, yet not doing anything about it or basically doing *anything* useful in the thread yourself. No, I haven't followed up. I reasked MZ, but he seems to be non-scummy on rayn at this point. So...question sorta answered. If he really pushed at scum rayn, I was going to find that scummy from him, because I didn't see his angle at all really in light of rayn's total posting. That may not matter depending on these nukes. Following up with some other stuff needs to wait. Why do you need to wait for contribution.......? That's just a scummy/lazy/reactive approach instead of a townish/contributive/proactive approach. If you want me to unvote you, at least give some valid reason to do that. | ||
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Meapak, what's with you and Dandel Ion? He hasn't really done anything, yeah, and that's concerning. Especially compared to his town play in PTP. Actually he might be an okay lynch, but it'd basically be a shot into the dark (he could reasonably likely be just AFK as town). Not a solid scum lynch by any means. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:53 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + I need to wait for contribution in some cases because it's the answer/thought process itself that's more important to me than anything else someone has posted. Or, at least, that's the case with Onegu.On July 08 2013 06:47 Xatalos wrote: On July 08 2013 06:35 austinmcc wrote: On July 08 2013 06:31 Xatalos wrote: Okeedoke. Those are much better reasons, imo.On July 08 2013 06:15 austinmcc wrote: On July 08 2013 06:06 Xatalos wrote: As far as I can tell, you gave three reasons for thinking I'm scummy.On July 08 2013 05:56 austinmcc wrote: On July 08 2013 05:51 Xatalos wrote: What is my town meta? More specifically, my town meta in a large game?I'll go ahead and vote austinmcc now. ##Vote austinmcc He's been basically just asking (filler) questions and not scumhunting or showing effort so far. At least he's less lurky than in PTP, but that's not a hard feat, and it's still not even close to how I remember his townie self. Just comparing his town meta to this game (or PTP) makes it feel like he has to be scum or 3rd party etc. I didn't push this stance hard enough in PTP, but I'm not going to repeat the same mistake now - unless he starts appearing townish ASAP. geript, you still want to lynch WoS or whom? Also, do you have interest in the answers to the questions that I have asked, but have not gotten answers to? Paranoia Mafia. That's the only game where we've played together as town so far, I think. Actually I suspected you there for some time (role-related stuff) but I didn't think your overall posting was scummy. In fact, I mentioned at several points how townish your posting was, and ultimately I came to the right and simple conclusion that you were indeed town. I can't say I get any of that same feeling in this game so far though. What does your last sentence mean? I'm basically just asking filler questions I'm not scumhunting/putting in effort I am not my townie self/I am not playing in accordance with my town meta My last sentence is in relation to your first reason for thinking I'm scum. If my questions are filler, they don't matter, and I'm not going anywhere with them. However, if you're actually interested in the answers to my questions, then they don't seem like they are filler. If you're not interested in the answers to my questions, I ... I dunno, I think you should be. As far as meta, go look at any larger game. Especially a larger game where I don't know 1/2 or 2/3 the people. My play in a single medium-size game, where I was blue, and almost got lynched because I was an idiot, doesn't seem like the perfect point of comparison. Or go look at my scum games. I was interested in what exactly you were pulling meta from, seeing as it appears to be a large part of your reason for voting me. That's it, was just poking at your reasons for voting me. Well, I did play with you in Paranoia (you were town) and PTP (you were scum). Your current play just seems closer to PTP, and that's my main reason for voting you. Your questions aren't really uninteresting in themself, but your way of posting them feels... uninterested I guess. You've just posted a series of questions here and there, but it's not making any kind of impact on the thread and you're not following up on them in any way. I'm not sure if you've even been answered to any of them? Doesn't look like it, just looking at your filter... There's no sense of discussion, drawing conclusions or anything, just some random questions thrown at the thread and then forgotten / not made use of. On July 07 2013 09:56 austinmcc wrote: Right now I pretty much just hate this thread. I'm reading it, but not fully processing it, because a lot of it has nothing to do with anything and I wish people would quit posting so much. The post-chez stuff is shitting up the thread but doing so in a very obvious and very...wrong way. If he's scum and just trying to get chez nuked, that seems silly AND is going to put a target on his head if chez were town (OMG CHEZ NUKED TOWN, NUKE CHEZ, OMG CHEZ WAS TOWN....NUKE ME?). Therefore, I don't want to lynch him right now. But I also don't want to read filter at this point because he's been involved in all this early silliness. Also this post feels wrong. Weird complaining about the state of the thread, yet not doing anything about it or basically doing *anything* useful in the thread yourself. No, I haven't followed up. I reasked MZ, but he seems to be non-scummy on rayn at this point. So...question sorta answered. If he really pushed at scum rayn, I was going to find that scummy from him, because I didn't see his angle at all really in light of rayn's total posting. That may not matter depending on these nukes. Following up with some other stuff needs to wait. Why do you need to wait for contribution.......? That's just a scummy/lazy/reactive approach instead of a townish/contributive/proactive approach. If you want me to unvote you, at least give some valid reason to do that. Also, yes. My play so far has been lazy/reactive. But as of right now, I'm doing what I'm doing. Also also, if you don't die, I have determined that you are town. Huzzah! That warms my heart. If you're actually town after all, that is. Right now I'm finding that a bit hard to believe with your uncharacteristically reactionary and passive playstyle. | ||
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On July 08 2013 06:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 06:53 Xatalos wrote: geript/rayn, would you be down for an austinmcc lynch? His answers so far haven't really been satisfactory. At the very least I want him under heavier pressure ASAP. Meapak, what's with you and Dandel Ion? He hasn't really done anything, yeah, and that's concerning. Especially compared to his town play in PTP. Actually he might be an okay lynch, but it'd basically be a shot into the dark (he could reasonably likely be just AFK as town). Not a solid scum lynch by any means. As austin's scumbuddy in PTP I can't get behind his lynch today. There are just too many differences. He's not as evasive as he was in PTP and he's been a lot more active. I very carefully watched his play in PTP and I just don't see enough similarities here. Dandel on the other hand is trying to skate in a large game. I recall him being a lot more active and spammy when he's town. He's usually making reads and participating but instead this game I feel like he's trying to see how long he can lurk. This is not town Dandel and I feel that it is a much better lynch than austin. My brother nuke-target has abandoned me It's no wonder if austinmcc is more active now, since he was AFK for quite some times in PTP (I think?). Also it's not impossible to act a bit differently otherwise, just to make it harder to read you for example. Lynching Dandel Ion based on being completely AFK feels... Random, I guess. He might flip scum, he might flip town, but there's no real way to say for good certainty which it's going to be. I agree that his AFK-fest points to scum rather than town, but I also wonder if he would really be so stupid to sacrifice any chance to survive until endgame like this (if he keeps up this level of activity). | ||
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Going to sleep now though. geript/rayn, your thoughts on austin btw? | ||
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austinmcc lynch doesn't seem likely today, and maybe he's not even the optimal lynch either after all. At least he has the potential to be very useful later on, unlike many of our lurkish/vague posters. Chezinu is leading atm, but I'm not really satisfied with lynching him (only a slightly higher than average chance of flipping scum). I'll have to reconsider players like Onegu, NG, MajuGarzett etc. for today. Also strongandbig hasn't made a good impression on me, but I'll have to recheck him soonish. Btw it sure feels good to be everyone's consensus townread for once I don't think I've ever achieved this level of trust before. Gotta reread this game as a reference to establishing innocence in later games (haven't been so good at that oftentimes.....). | ||
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Chezinu's play feels too random to claim he's a likely scum. Granted, I don't know his meta, but I get the feeling it's not going to be hard to determine his alignment sooner or later if he keeps playing this way. So: it feels too early to lynch him right now. The same goes for WoS, I'd rather wait some more than lynch. I already mentioned how I mistakenly tunneled him in PTP (he was town) for better reasons than have been given about him so far - frankly, he feels like a real lynchbait, much like johnnywup (scummy even while town). strongandbig hasn't posted much yet (and what little he has posted, has been more confusing than helpful). He even called one of johnnywup's posts "scummy" without any kind of reasoning, and then proceeded to fling **** at gumshoe with some weird WIFOM. Verdict: very possibly scum. OriginalName is reading pretty null to me atm, don't think he's a good lynch today. NG could be a good lynch. Posts like this: On July 07 2013 15:33 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: I like the random nuking. Good way to seem active and taking strong stances without being legitimate. :/ Just scream "scum" to me. Making vague remarks and casting suspicion without committing to absolutely anything... Also his fast jump on the Onegu train after casually reading the thread and missing important posts doesn't look good, at all. Both Onegu and NG probably aren't scum, but I'd say Onegu has still an okay chance of flipping scum. Especially his non-committal attitude and flinging suspicion carefully didn't look good. I'm pretty sure that the following players are town atm: geript, rayn, Meapak, Ace. I'd like your opinions on today's lynch, considering my preferences, so that we can lynch correctly today (it might be my last day after all). | ||
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On July 08 2013 20:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: From what has been said in thread until now i want to lynch Chezinu/NG. I don't buy Chezinu's "explanations" as i have told, and noone has still told me why io am wrong in my post where i explained my view from scum!Chez and town!Chez perspective. Hell, he hasn't done that himself. For NG i have given my reasons. I think those two are our best lynches atm. You might be right about Chezinu, but IMO there are too many unanswered questions about him, his nuke etc. to pass judgement yet. For all we know, it might even be a passable time-bomb or something like that (Vayne suggested that I think?). If I do indeed detonate, come deadline, you have my permission to tunnel him to death I can agree on NG. His vote for Onegu felt more like a throwaway scum vote than actually caring if he's scum or not. | ||
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On July 08 2013 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 22:02 Xatalos wrote: On July 08 2013 20:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: From what has been said in thread until now i want to lynch Chezinu/NG. I don't buy Chezinu's "explanations" as i have told, and noone has still told me why io am wrong in my post where i explained my view from scum!Chez and town!Chez perspective. Hell, he hasn't done that himself. For NG i have given my reasons. I think those two are our best lynches atm. You might be right about Chezinu, but IMO there are too many unanswered questions about him, his nuke etc. to pass judgement yet. For all we know, it might even be a passable time-bomb or something like that (Vayne suggested that I think?). If I do indeed detonate, come deadline, you have my permission to tunnel him to death I can agree on NG. His vote for Onegu felt more like a throwaway scum vote than actually caring if he's scum or not. That's why i said he needs to claim whatever it is after nukes can be no more sent in (which is now). Or his reasons for nuking you from all the people. Yeah, he really needs to. In fact, if he doesn't start making sense before deadline, I might be inclined to lynch him anyway. As town, he should start giving the thread something to work with at some point (right about now would be a good time). If he keeps quiet/nonsensible until deadline, it could be a sign of him being scum and refusing town information. So far his attitude could have been just towny trolling and/or saving relevant information for the last 12 hours of D1, but now he should be stepping up his play already. | ||
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On July 08 2013 23:10 Oatsmaster wrote: guysss I have a 1shot anti nuke thing. so I can shoot down nukes Which nuke do I destroy!. Im currently going with the xalatos one because Chez scumread is stronger than Johnny scumread ESPECIALLY since johnny seems to be posting, I feel that I can get a more confident read on johnny later. Also chez has never ever ever explained why xalatos past CHEZINU RULE. I dont buy it. Nope. Discuss. Isn't the nuke deadline over already? | ||
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On July 08 2013 22:59 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 06:17 Xatalos wrote: On July 08 2013 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also whoever had a townread on Ace, explain. I don't see anything alignment indicative from him. Not sure if I said anything about Ace before, but actually I get the feeling he's probably town. I see no reason for him to engage in the discussion to defend you like that unless you're both scum or both town. Currently leaning both town, so there's that. This is a post from a while back but I feel I want to dig a little deeper. My main concern with Ace at the moment is that he defended rayn at a moment in which he was under heavy aggression. Now, if I do this as a townie, the main thing I want to do is redirect attention from rayn towards something else. But his following posts do not indicate this: clicky He's not trying to steer the thread anywhere. As town I feel that letting people pressure rayn is much more natural, for me to get a better read. It's small, but I not comfortable with calling him "probably town". What do you think? Hmm. It's mostly a gutread, but I've seen Ace play scum and he didn't do anything unnecessary like that then. He just lurked and didn't scumhunt, at all, except maybe a bit to justify a bandwagon vote. Now he's already 1) participated in the me-rayn-geript discussion in a pretty genuine-feeling way 2) otherwise participated in constructive discussion and shared reads quite openly. It's too early to call him clearly town, but I feel like he has a pretty low chance of flipping scum atm. | ||
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On July 08 2013 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Im pretty sure I can Ok nice. I think you should use it now if you can. TanGeng is a really bad pick, but I'm not completely sure if you should use it on me or Meapak. Meapak apparently has no other protection and he was nuked secretly -> very likely by scum -> he's likely town. Also, his behaviour after being nuked has been townish and very open (unlike TanGeng). I of course know that I'm town and everyone seems to agree, but I have a good chance of surviving the nuke because of my role. I want to live naturally, so I'd prefer if you anti-nuked me, but Meapak is a good choice as well. | ||
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You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. That should help to make an informed decision, Oatsmaster. I'm not really sure what it means, but maybe your anti-nuke role clears something about my role as well. The way I understand it, Radiation nuke is one type of nuke and there are others as well. However, it might be the only type of nuke and the "different types of nukes" means just launch mechanics (secret/claim/etc.). | ||
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On July 08 2013 23:38 TanGeng wrote: Hmmm what does infection mechanic do? No idea. | ||
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On July 08 2013 23:42 TanGeng wrote: EBWOP: From the POV of town what should you be doing if you are radiation infected? It's hard to say since I don't know what infection does. Kills? Dunno. If it means that every nuke is a Radiation nuke, I can spread the Radiation to someone during night, then probably it kills if the target isn't immune like me. Or it could be some kind of debuff.. Probably kills though. In that case it would kind of like a Vigi KP. Since johnnywup said that his role just said "nuke", without any specific type, I'm starting to think that I might be immune to all nukes. In that case it would be safer to anti-nuke Meapak, Oatsmaster. | ||
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On July 08 2013 23:50 Onegu wrote: EBWOP Radiation is a mechanic that comes from radiation nukes. It infects people and kills them the next turn. The second part however doesn't happen to you. Do you know if there are other types of nukes or just Radiation nukes? | ||
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On July 08 2013 23:57 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 23:55 Xatalos wrote: On July 08 2013 23:50 Onegu wrote: EBWOP Radiation is a mechanic that comes from radiation nukes. It infects people and kills them the next turn. The second part however doesn't happen to you. Do you know if there are other types of nukes or just Radiation nukes? I only know of radiation nukes. Well, if that's the case... Apparently I'm not going to die, but rather gain a night-KP That's good to hear. You should definitely NOT anti-nuke me Oatsmaster - I want that KP! | ||
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On July 09 2013 00:02 TanGeng wrote: Xatalos, why didn't you ask the host about your role mechanics. Well, I can try asking, although I'm not sure if they're supposed to reveal things like are there other than Radiation nukes. | ||
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On July 09 2013 00:12 TanGeng wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 00:09 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 00:02 TanGeng wrote: Xatalos, why didn't you ask the host about your role mechanics. Well, I can try asking, although I'm not sure if they're supposed to reveal things like are there other than Radiation nukes. No I mean asking about radiation infection. Seriously. WTF is wrong with you. Lol. Well, maybe I should have asked that one, but the role PM was so confusing that I thought it wasn't supposed to be 100% clear at first. Like maybe all roles would make more sense as the game progressed. | ||
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On July 09 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, after reading the last page i dunno. Maybe it's better that the nuke on Xatalos lands. If he does not die, gratz, we got a vigi. If he does die, Chezinu looks terrible. Xatalos can't be mafia working with Chez like this, there's no way he would have claimed that as mafia. I suggest we lynch NG. Anyone in? Because if Chezinu's nuke is some type that "helps" people, as there apparently are people who gain something from nukes, it makes sense to shoot it towards a townie. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Nirvana.Gabo Here's the case: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 08 2013 15:29 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote: NG NG is scum. He says both WoS and vayne are scum then votes Onegu for being bad. then he gets into rayns face for NO Reason. This guys scum guys To expand on this, this set of quotes: On July 08 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 08 2013 05:58 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: On July 08 2013 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 08 2013 05:43 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: On July 08 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Nirvana.Gabo why is Onegu your target and not me? I happened to notice Onegu's posts in the past few pages and I didn't notice yours. Ahh so you don't read the whole thread and just vote reactionary? Is this the behaviour you are going to follow the whole game? I didn't say I didn't read your posts noob Now you are making zero sense. Elaborate please. NG says he noticed Onegu's posts about Chezinu but not mine. Then he says he apparently did see my posts after all? When i ask him to clarify, he does not answer. scum. The problem is that Chezinu didn't know about my role... Which means that if his nuke is lethal, he definitely wanted to kill me (the most powerful townread of the thread at the time probably). It looks like his nuke is going to be beneficial for me either way, but IF he attempted to kill me (which is more likely than not), he didn't do it for any good reasons. It's hard to say anything about Chezinu atm though. I'm still waiting for him to start explaining, but I'm okay with lynching NG. | ||
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On July 09 2013 00:46 Z-BosoN wrote: Discussion is diving hard atm towards set-up speculation. Scum love this discussion because it's easy to participate in and look like they are contributing. Let's focus on consolidating our vote and try to dish out them scum, please. Right now I am waiting for WoS and austin to respond and going through some other filters. What I know now is that I do not want Chezinu dead, as I stated before, and that this discussion is pointless unless there is new info that people with roles are willing to share. Xatalos, why do you feel Meapak is town? I find his play so far to be a bit confusing from a town perspective. Please elaborate. Why is it pointless to lynch Chezinu? He nuked me, the strongest general townread at the time, for no (apparent) reason. Maybe he was just being insane, but unless he soon A) starts explaining his actions and B) reveals what type of nuke he launched at me (solving the problem of Oatsmaster's anti-nuke), I feel we should lynch him. Reasons for Meapak being town: 1) he was nuked secretly - only scum would have a natural reason not to claim their nukes - likely the launcher is scum and Meapak is town (both CAN'T be scum, since it would be 100% insane to secretly kill your own scum team) 2) he didn't shut up after being nuked, but rather started scumhunting with renewed motivation, which is a clear town trademark (why would scum act pro-town after being sentenced to death?) 3) overall he has posted townishly and scumhunted a lot IMO | ||
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On July 09 2013 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Im going to sleep. <3 Xatalos, PLEASE DONT BE SCUM ##Defend Xatalos Too bad you couldn't wait. I think we could have pressured the answer out of Chezinu and maybe saved Meapak. But at least now I know I'll live, which is kind of a relief, I guess. | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Oats. I understand you need to go to bed, that was probably the best possible thing you could do. The problem is that Xatalos is kinda vanilla now. Unless some townie has a radiation nuke. If you do, launch that towards Xatalos the first thing on D2 if he is alive. I'm not giving Chezinu a "free pass", he still needs to explain himself. There is plenty of time before the lynch. I would have like Oats to clarify from hosts does the anti-nuke block only KP or all the effects. Apparently all, and given that i would definitely defend Xata over Meapak. There is still a chance scum launched a fake-nuke on their scumbuddy Meapak. Imagine what it does. First of all you gain town credit. Second, you become "unlynchable" for the phase. Like, "why would we even look at that guy who is going to die either way". I think there's a high chance that I'm NK'd (apparently everyone thinks I'm town). Another sensible NK would be Oatsmaster with his anti-nuke. If I live, it might be a good idea to give me that KP, although it might be risky (I'd be an obvious roleblock target, if there are scum roleblockers in this game). The bad thing about this is that now there's zero chance of a scum shooting me with a Radiation nuke. Oh well, at least I'll live for now. | ||
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On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game. I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit. Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. I give my approval. I'd trade NG for Meapak any day of the week. | ||
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July 08 2013 16:36 GMT
#1006
On July 09 2013 01:34 Ace wrote: also if we cant come to a consensus on who to lynch, vote someone that will get nuked off What do you mean with this? | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 16:46 GMT
#1019
On July 09 2013 01:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: NUCLEAR ROCKET REDIRECT A nuclear rocket that was previously heading towards Meapak_Ziphh is now heading swiftly towards Nirvana.Gabo. YEEESSS :D | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 16:47 GMT
#1020
On July 09 2013 01:37 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 01:36 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 01:34 Ace wrote: also if we cant come to a consensus on who to lynch, vote someone that will get nuked off What do you mean with this? he means that we apply 2 kp to a person to insure they die thus avoiding a mislynch as they would die anyways. Wtf? We play to win, that's playing not to lose. Most likely it'd be the same as no-lynch. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 16:54 GMT
#1022
So Chezinu it is (unless he shows up to redeem himself)? Maybe Dandel Ion would be better, not sure. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 16:56 GMT
#1029
On July 09 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Is Ace scum? That's like saying it's OK to vote for no-lynch without actually voting for no-lynch... I hope not, but that post didn't feel good at all. Maybe I should move him from town to null :/ | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 17:31 GMT
#1068
On July 09 2013 02:11 Ace wrote: That was a stupid decision WoS. Less stupid than no-lynching today Ace... In fact, infinitely less stupid. A beacon of brilliance compared to your ideas. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 17:34 GMT
#1079
On July 09 2013 02:30 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 02:25 Z-BosoN wrote: Ace, how is "not calling you "probably town" taking things way too far? cause he town Name your top scumreads and reasons for them now that you're finally here. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 17:38 GMT
#1082
On July 09 2013 02:33 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 02:11 Ace wrote: That was a stupid decision WoS. Less stupid than no-lynching today Ace... In fact, infinitely less stupid. A beacon of brilliance compared to your ideas. I've never advocated no lynching. Stop saying that. Lynching someone who was going to die anyways = no-lynch. It's simple logic. How can you refute that? | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 17:43 GMT
#1095
On July 09 2013 02:40 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 02:38 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 02:33 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 02:31 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 02:11 Ace wrote: That was a stupid decision WoS. Less stupid than no-lynching today Ace... In fact, infinitely less stupid. A beacon of brilliance compared to your ideas. I've never advocated no lynching. Stop saying that. Lynching someone who was going to die anyways = no-lynch. It's simple logic. How can you refute that? It is not a no lynch. Read what I said again. If we can't come to a consensus - vote on the person getting nuked. Here is a question. If I'm advocating a No lynch who was I trying to save from dying? Chezinu? Dandel Ion? They seem to be somewhat even atm so it's possible that you're scum with one of them and wanted to ensure that nobody got lynched. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 17:47 GMT
#1098
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 17:55 GMT
#1107
On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote: Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel. Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/ Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 17:59 GMT
#1112
On July 09 2013 02:51 strongandbig wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 02:34 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 02:30 strongandbig wrote: On July 09 2013 02:25 Z-BosoN wrote: Ace, how is "not calling you "probably town" taking things way too far? cause he town Name your top scumreads and reasons for them now that you're finally here. umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions... okay vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line Show nested quote + "Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch." apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked. who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerland what about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos Why is Meapak "way more townish" than me and why would Oatsmaster save me as scum? | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 18:09 GMT
#1119
On July 09 2013 03:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote: Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel. Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/ Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Focus. He's unlikely to get lynched today. I'm glad you agree that he is scummy, but I feel time is better spent discussing this after the lynch time. Right now, aside from a policy lynch, who are your top lynches? Whatever, I guess it's a waste of time atm to talk about Ace. I still feel like austinmcc has a good chance of being scum. See my earlier (2 I think) case-posts about him. It's not making me feel any better that he still hasn't done anything after hastily defending himself against me. He hasn't really done anything remarkable at all besides defending my pressure. But he's not getting lynched today clearly. I'm fine with either Chezinu or Dandel Ion, who are the top lynch candidates atm. Chezinu for nuking me and not doing anything after that despite requests and Dandel Ion for playing very differently from his town meta and quite much like his scum meta (inactive and useless). | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 18:19 GMT
#1125
On July 09 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + If Ace is scum and we don't have one super mega leading candidate because of good case/trustable check/etc. etc., why would he advocate no-lynching?On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote: Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel. Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/ Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Given the lack of clear target, scum could easily push a lynch onto a townie with a small amount of work and like...two or three votes max probably. Because it's just plurality lynch and is currently dis-organized, there's no reason for scum to try for a "no-lynch" when they could get a lynch on a townie. Moreover, I don't read Ace's post as pushing for a no-lynch.
We don't know all the roles and rules here, but we DO know that Dude X getting nuked does not mean that Dude X will die, for a number of reasons. Hm. Well, okay. I can see him posting that as town as well, but it's still weird to focus on stuff like that instead of scumhunting (and why so early on anyway?). On to more important matters for today however... | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 18:46 GMT
#1148
On July 09 2013 03:19 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 03:09 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 03:00 Z-BosoN wrote: On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote: Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel. Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/ Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Focus. He's unlikely to get lynched today. I'm glad you agree that he is scummy, but I feel time is better spent discussing this after the lynch time. Right now, aside from a policy lynch, who are your top lynches? Whatever, I guess it's a waste of time atm to talk about Ace. I still feel like austinmcc has a good chance of being scum. See my earlier (2 I think) case-posts about him. It's not making me feel any better that he still hasn't done anything after hastily defending himself against me. He hasn't really done anything remarkable at all besides defending my pressure. But he's not getting lynched today clearly. I'm fine with either Chezinu or Dandel Ion, who are the top lynch candidates atm. Chezinu for nuking me and not doing anything after that despite requests and Dandel Ion for playing very differently from his town meta and quite much like his scum meta (inactive and useless). Well, doesn't it make sense for a scum chezinu to make some bullshit reason up for sending a nuke towards you? I don't really understand his play, and like I said earlier, I feel he is better suited for blues. I don't really know Chezinu but people have said that he played really similarly as scum before (day-vigged a townie without reasoning D1 and proceeded to do nothing useful after that). That seems like a considerable possibility. Maybe he's just 100% insane, but if we let him get away with something like this (again), he can keep repeating it (so it's also partly a policy lynch I guess). | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 18:49 GMT
#1150
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 18:53 GMT
#1153
On July 09 2013 03:41 geript wrote: ##vote caucasianasian The Dandel lynch looks pretty heavily like a convenient mislynch wagon. Chezinu could be legit scum. I still don't trust WoS and would love to lynch him but I doubt that's happening. So I vote that we start getting rid of some of the fluff. Biggest fluffy scummy lurker is CA No sense in voting a pure lurker atm. Vote Chezinu or Dandel Ion, they both have scummy points about them and a reasonable chance of getting lynched (unlike WoS or caucasianasian). | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:04 GMT
#1164
On July 09 2013 03:36 Z-BosoN wrote: Xatalos, tell me more about gumshoe. I remember that I didn't like some of his posts, and I also remember that you played with him before. Any thoughts? Not particularly relevant to the current situation, but here you go. 1) As gumshoe pointed out, I've only played with him in a pretty old game and his scum meta has apparently changed significantly. So my ability to read him is certainly lower than I initially thought. 2) rayn seems to think he's "supertown", and while I would personally put him at null / slightly town maybe, I don't see him as worth lynching in the near future at least. 3) What he says seems to make sense and I pretty much agree with his posts. Just his relative inactivity and lack of noticeable contributions or scumhunting makes him not a clear townie in my eyes. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 08 2013 19:13 GMT
#1171
On July 09 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is like 15 votes on andel, and only people who are opposing this lynch (i mean, löike really opposing) are me and geript. Both of us are obviously town. Looks like you are lynching scum atm right? Ace why do you pretend to be stupid enough to not see this? It's true that his bandwagon is gaining steam alarmingly fast. He might be town after all based on that. On the other hand, scumteam might have decided to just bus him and be done with it (he's clearly not putting in any effort). Caucasianasian looks like a complete noob IMO, not necessarily scummy. I'd rather lynch Chezinu atm. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 08 2013 19:15 GMT
#1173
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:16 GMT
#1174
On July 09 2013 04:13 Z-BosoN wrote: Well I have to go, I'll be back tomorrow. Lynch CA dudes, much better choice. ##vote caucasianasian Well that was a... random vote if anything. Explain? | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:18 GMT
#1176
On July 09 2013 04:17 geript wrote: Nah, busses, even quick busses, look different. How so? | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:21 GMT
#1179
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:24 GMT
#1183
On July 09 2013 04:22 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 04:18 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 04:17 geript wrote: Nah, busses, even quick busses, look different. How so? people try to actually find strong reasons for the person to be scum for town cred or you see an odd switch towards the end of things that ends in a snipe on red. This is just a constant gain. Practically has to be town. Maybe you're right. I'd rather lynch Chezinu or austinmcc than Dandel Ion atm. I'd just want to see an updated votecount to see what's possible. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:28 GMT
#1189
On July 09 2013 04:22 austinmcc wrote: Z-Boson, for reference, here are posts from that game, from a guy who has played with me a decent bit: + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote: Bleh. I really can't tell if austin is scummy or just being absolutely useless. Practically every game we've played together I've found him scummy on day 1 and he turned out just to be useless. Like, see how he's been posting in that other game he's in and not this one? Not caring about this one? Yeah, scummy as shit, except he did the same thing in rock band as town. On October 02 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote: That post isn't helping you not be useless though is it austin On October 02 2012 08:44 marvellosity wrote: Ugh, too much screwing meta. I don't really want to lynch austin because I know he can be totally useless day 1 as here, and others don't want to lynch the pretty scummy annul because they want to wait and see. Why do you think austin has a higher chance of flipping scum than annul, BC? On October 03 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote: austin: that's because you always play so fking scummy for most of day 1 dear. For anyone wanting to vote me because of inactivity/not looking super townie on D1, I can understand that. But good lord if you're going to do that because you think normally I look super townie on D1, please check and make sure you are correctly remembering games. Off the top of my head, I know that Liquid City and ... Movie Star Mini involved me doing jack all D1 and looking scummy, believe Rock Band and some game where Marv smurfed as Fivetouch and I didn't really do anything all game but argue with him as well. Doesn't make it a good way to play or a townie way to play. But stop presenting as fact that I always/usually look magically townie on D1. Show nested quote + This is fine. All I'm trying to say is, I think you're not recalling things properly, and while I don't claim to be super-townie, I do claim to not be playing out of the ordinary. I don't care if I look scummy right now, I can and will fix that. I care if the only reason I look scummy is for doing something that is a common occurrence.On July 09 2013 04:20 Z-BosoN wrote: Ok, last thing before I leave. I dunno man, you reek of disinterest this game. Even if you haven't yet made long and aggressive posts, the attitude you display here building up to the end of d1 is totally different than from what I recall. You also make easy posts here, discussing meta, whatever Ace might have meant, and what not, but when it comes to actually trying to find scum, I find your posting here lacking. Maybe an even bigger problem I have with you currently is that you make very good and reasonable throughout D1... But instead of scumhunting, you ONLY put in effort when defending yourself. How is that town motivated? As town, you should be looking for scum and not covering yourself cleverly. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:30 GMT
#1191
On July 09 2013 04:25 Dandel Ion wrote: Ah yeah looks like I am. Time to start doing something if you want to avoid getting lynched. Atm I agree with geript that it's looking more like a mislynch. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:37 GMT
#1194
On July 09 2013 04:32 austinmcc wrote: I got a thing coming. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:39 GMT
#1196
On July 09 2013 04:38 Dandel Ion wrote: Honestly, Chezinu is looking a lot more coherent than I remember him being in LX, his only scumgame I've seen so far. He actually has posts you can read and understand. 1 or 2 even have a semblence of scumhunting. Looks like people are just mad he randomly nuked a guy. Not really too hot for his lynch, though I guess it's still preferable to mine, lol. Who would you want to lynch then? | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:44 GMT
#1200
On July 09 2013 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Chez apparently wants to lynch Oats. Oatsmaster just basically used his ability to save my life (unless he's scum with Chezinu and knows that Chezinu used a Radiation nuke or something insane). So, no. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:44 GMT
#1201
On July 09 2013 04:42 Chezinu wrote: Xatalos wasn't going to die... So you used a Radiation nuke? NOW you're telling me that????? | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 19:46 GMT
#1203
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:01 GMT
#1220
That's a good point about caucasianasian. No point in lynching him if he's modkilled anyways. I'd rather not lynch Dandel Ion today, since his wagon feels too "easy" like geript said and he's now here and posting. I want to hear what Chezinu meant with "Xatalos wasn't going to die". Chezinu/austinmcc/some lurker might be the best choice. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:02 GMT
#1222
On July 09 2013 04:42 Chezinu wrote: Xatalos wasn't going to die... Elaborate right now or I'll keep lynching you. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:07 GMT
#1225
On July 09 2013 05:04 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 05:01 Xatalos wrote: Lead us to the correct lynch, o' Dandel Ion That's a good point about caucasianasian. No point in lynching him if he's modkilled anyways. I'd rather not lynch Dandel Ion today, since his wagon feels too "easy" like geript said and he's now here and posting. I want to hear what Chezinu meant with "Xatalos wasn't going to die". Chezinu/austinmcc/some lurker might be the best choice. Well, if johnny has a similar role you will see. It wasn't radiation, at least I don't think it was... The contents of the nuke wasn't revealed. johnnywup said that TanGeng is going to die. Was I going to die too then? Or how would I have survived if it wasn't Radiation? | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:17 GMT
#1233
On July 09 2013 05:09 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 05:07 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 05:04 Chezinu wrote: On July 09 2013 05:01 Xatalos wrote: Lead us to the correct lynch, o' Dandel Ion That's a good point about caucasianasian. No point in lynching him if he's modkilled anyways. I'd rather not lynch Dandel Ion today, since his wagon feels too "easy" like geript said and he's now here and posting. I want to hear what Chezinu meant with "Xatalos wasn't going to die". Chezinu/austinmcc/some lurker might be the best choice. Well, if johnny has a similar role you will see. It wasn't radiation, at least I don't think it was... The contents of the nuke wasn't revealed. johnnywup said that TanGeng is going to die. Was I going to die too then? Or how would I have survived if it wasn't Radiation? I don't know. The role never said. Nothing you say makes sense. So was the nuke lethal or beneficial in some way? At least you should be able to say that much. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:28 GMT
#1244
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:32 GMT
#1252
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:38 GMT
#1256
[QUOTE]On July 09 2013 05:28 Xatalos wrote: Hmmmmm. Okay, we shouldn't lynch austinmcc Talk to me about the reaction though. You have been looking at me, specifically, for a decent bit of this game. Did you think I had some unhealthy obsession with ON? Was scummy on him before now? Or my mentions of him just slipped your mind?[/QUOTE] ? To be honest I don't remember what questions you have specifically asked. Mostly they seemed to go unnoticed and not do anything. That still looks bad but if ON flips scum I'm willing to forget that | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:44 GMT
#1265
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:45 GMT
#1268
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:47 GMT
#1271
On July 09 2013 05:43 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 09 2013 05:41 OriginalName wrote: On July 09 2013 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, first of all, you don't "forget" how to play mafia. Second, i just read ON's D1 posts from LoTR. That's like a 100% difference. My vote is staying. I was also 100% Vanilla in LoTR incase you havent noticed, along with that LoTR was one of my worst preformances in any memory of mafia that I have, I quit for awhile because of how disgusted I was with that game how you can you use meta arguements to justify everything + Show Spoiler + I am claiming a power role for those who are wondering If you are town this is 10000x worse performance than LoTR was. Ill spell it out for you. I have a power role, this role will not work day 1 or day 2. I'm not going to be unhelpful, but im not going to attempt to get shot either. That's easily the scummiest roleclaim so far (both the timing and content). | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 20:52 GMT
#1278
On July 09 2013 05:34 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 05:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey ON, you just happened to get back RIGHT when there is a case on you. Seems legit. :D just like a bunch of other people? look at Dandel, the wagon gets going on him and he comes right back. LOL this doesn't give a good image of OriginalName's interest in the lynch. Not posting for several hours and immediately jumping back when there's a case on him. Right...... | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 21:02 GMT
#1287
On July 09 2013 05:53 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + You're being overly aggressive with this. On July 09 2013 05:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 09 2013 05:48 austinmcc wrote: Dear urrbody, I posted a case. How about you discuss it instead of just vote blindly. By voting and not discussing, if ON is scum, it makes it easy for scum to jump on board the lynch and we can't actually pinpoint when they do so if EVERYONE just goes "Oh what? A case? A case! Let's vote!" ON, you've claimed to be blue. As best I can tell, so have Chezinu, WoS, Oatsmaster, Xatalos, TanGeng, and pretty much anyone else who has been nuked/possibly killified. Are you saying you should not be killed when you're blue, when it appears we have a LOT of blues, or are you saying that you do something in particular that we don't want to lynch? Actually ON should debunk your case instead of telling how he has not played mafia for a year. I agree with your case and as you might very well know i have been suspicious of ON for a long time. Yes, I'd like to hear a response. But good lord people need to give reasons for their votes. Something that they specifically agree with, something that resonates with them, ... a ghost told them to vote. All this voting for nothing more than "Case = vote" is butt. ON, what two players would you nuke if you had 2 nukes and why? If you'd already made 2 nukes, who would you give them to? Beyond that, are there other limitations? Can't give to the same person more than once? Can't stockpile them and have to give out each cycle? I guess ON fits perfectly into that scummy territory of not really townish but not clearly scummy either. Players like that tend to escape my attention I doubt scum were among the fastest jumpers if ON is scum. Anything's possible but it feels odd for the scumteam to instantly coordinate a bus after you made your case. I really want to see ON's flip now since his red flip would basically clear my doubts about you at the same time. His recent whining and roleclaim feel clearly scummy as well. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 21:10 GMT
#1300
On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote: Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Any role is "possible", what matters is how he roleclaimed. It happened immediately after he had been "away" for hours and austinmcc had just made a case on him. That's the kind of panic roleclaim a scum would do after staying in the shadows before that. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 21:16 GMT
#1309
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Xatalos
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July 08 2013 21:19 GMT
#1312
On July 09 2013 06:12 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 06:10 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 06:07 TanGeng wrote: On July 09 2013 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 09 2013 05:43 TanGeng wrote: Ok now 9 for ON and 8 for Dandel And what's your stance on this lynch? My stance on this lynch is let ON calm down and give a counterargument. There's just huge bandwagoning at the moment. At first examination ON's blue role is ridiculous but it actually falls inline with the amount of power that other blue roles have for example Chezinu/johnnywup Day 1 nukes are more mayhem roles. While Xatalos's must be nuked and become radiation infector is a latent one that may never be triggered. The other ones, one redirect (hidden) and single shoot down (Oatsmaster) are far more powerful. (We also apparently have the tried and true Medic in NG.) I see ON's claim in line with Xatalos's. It's marginal role but the claim is well within the realm of possibilities. Any role is "possible", what matters is how he roleclaimed. It happened immediately after he had been "away" for hours and austinmcc had just made a case on him. That's the kind of panic roleclaim a scum would do after staying in the shadows before that. Xat if you were under the gun in the last two hours of a day as either alignment would you do anything to survive? Saying its in panic is completely stupid as -Town wants to prevent a mislynch -Scum wants to live What you are implying with the role claim is not that the claim is scummy but the timing is when the timing is as a matter of fact a completely null-tell. Well, the claim itself is questionable as well (quite convenient for it not to be effective until D3). But more importantly I seriously doubt a townie's first reaction would be to roleclaim after someone makes a case on them. Scum, on the other hand, would more easily go into panic with their inherent guilt and do something panicky like that. | ||
Xatalos
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July 08 2013 21:23 GMT
#1320
On July 09 2013 06:21 geript wrote: Ok, so do we just want to default on ON. It's not going to terribly hurt town to remove nukes from the game b/c high town KP is pretty historically bad for town. Huh, do you view ON as town? | ||
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July 08 2013 21:33 GMT
#1341
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July 08 2013 21:35 GMT
#1346
On July 09 2013 06:34 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 06:32 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: DI's a better lynch ##unvote ##vote Dandel Ion I hate it when people do this... Can you please explain why? ugh... Indeed..... | ||
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July 08 2013 21:38 GMT
#1351
On July 09 2013 06:35 johnnywup wrote: Did ON defend himself? He roleclaimed and complained about not having enough time to play pro-town yet. If you count that as defending, then sure... | ||
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July 08 2013 21:39 GMT
#1352
On July 09 2013 06:37 geript wrote: Man I'm really glad Nirvana is getting nuked. 100% agreed. | ||
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July 08 2013 21:41 GMT
#1356
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July 08 2013 21:42 GMT
#1362
On July 09 2013 06:42 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 06:39 geript wrote: @Tofu You vote is currently being 100% wasted on Vayne righ tnow. TIme to pick a horse in a 2 horse race. I'd rather stick to my guns this time around. Let's have a discussion and maybe you can convince me in the next 20 minutes. You're essentially voting for DI by doing that. Do you want to lynch DI more than ON? | ||
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July 08 2013 21:46 GMT
#1366
On July 09 2013 06:44 Onegu wrote: How do we know the claim isnt real? Just seems odd. Gogoog ON Onegu | ||
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July 08 2013 21:46 GMT
#1368
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July 08 2013 21:49 GMT
#1373
On July 09 2013 06:47 Onegu wrote: Ok back to sleep I trust xata 100% ##VOTE:ON That's the definition of sheeping, but I guess I can't look a gift horse in the mouth. | ||
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July 08 2013 21:51 GMT
#1379
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July 08 2013 21:52 GMT
#1380
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July 08 2013 21:56 GMT
#1383
On July 09 2013 06:53 Chezinu wrote: Until glory reigns in a blaze of fiery. Winter is near! Let's watch the spectacle. It will be a blast! | ||
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July 08 2013 21:57 GMT
#1386
On July 09 2013 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 06:56 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 06:53 Chezinu wrote: Until glory reigns in a blaze of fiery. Winter is near! Let's watch the spectacle. It will be a blast! 4 nukes? is that a scumclaim for something we don't know? Actually it's 5 lol | ||
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July 08 2013 21:58 GMT
#1389
On July 09 2013 06:58 austinmcc wrote: To the someone or someones who was asking if ON defended himself, he posted a response/defense thingy:+ Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 05:57 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 05:10 austinmcc wrote: The person I want to lynch most actually isn't one of the super super lurky players, but OriginalName. In this game specifically, out of all the people who have some posts but not bunches, he sticks out to me because I did not feel that his posts did anything/went anywhere. Please to open filter and follow along: (1) ON posts a good number of trolly posts at the start of the game - + Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:16 OriginalName wrote: Hi guys, my name is OriginalName, you may know me from Nukes with Borders, or the 1965 hit, Tommorrow Never Nukes,as a complacent nuclear launching and abiding actor I am here to bring you a nuclear winter update. -Chezinu is likely to feel some Rad burns so make sure to hide in the vaults! -The Sun is likely blotted out by all the dust so prepare for a Wave of Shadow. -Troy Mcclure was found dead from alcohol poisening on set of Quantum of Nukage. Stay tuned for more updates! On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote: Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. This is the best post of the day! Dandel totally town! Damn its a good thing I nuked you rayn, I guess you're scum too. At least i have given 3 reads already. Dandel - town Geript - scum Xatalos - nuked Why did you nuke me? Yolo Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? On July 07 2013 09:23 OriginalName wrote: Chezinu-chan who aside from the target of your nuclear strike is in your opinion a member of the enemy of all that is good. On July 07 2013 09:24 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chez if you really had a nuke and launched it that was a fucking bad target. He's insane, not stupid. On July 07 2013 09:27 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:24 OriginalName wrote: On July 07 2013 09:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Chez if you really had a nuke and launched it that was a fucking bad target. He's insane, not stupid. I stand corrected he is just insane, and very possibly stupid. On July 07 2013 09:51 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: On July 07 2013 09:45 Xatalos wrote: Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play. If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread. I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style. I've already stated this, but he did it in mafia LX as mafia dayvig and he was scum. Now, it's entirely possible that (as stated earlier by somebody) Chez was faking it and scum used it as cover to nuke Xat themselves. I'm willing to bet there was no need for Chez to actually type it in thread if it was his. Either way if people CAN stop this I'm not entirely sure it should be. Also hai guise I back. Did I miss anything important other than what is likely a whole bunch of town players all shitting on each other? Not really, everyone is still freaking out instead of actually trying to get on topic. As such lets return to some very good points: Fake nukes are stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Nuking people day 1 is stupid mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmk Meapak's is repeating facts because they are generally important mmmmmmmmmmmmmk And so were about 10 other people yet you seem to like to single me out for this (2) When he does post things that are relevant to the thread/engage someone in discussion, it's only on a one-post level. He doesn't actually follow up with conversations/questions, only chimes in about things. Here is early stuff, and really the only thing that comes to mind when I think of ON's play this D1 was him targeting JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 07 2013 07:24 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 07:22 gumshoe wrote: On July 07 2013 07:19 OriginalName wrote: On July 07 2013 07:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 07 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 07:12 Dandel Ion wrote: Also, in an concentrated effort to prepare for sicilian mafia (for which I'm not actually signed up for, but you can never know), I'll stop posting for the dayphase, and only vote from now on. This is the best post of the day! Dandel totally town! Damn its a good thing I nuked you rayn, I guess you're scum too. At least i have given 3 reads already. Dandel - town Geript - scum Xatalos - nuked Why did you nuke me? Yolo Yolo is clearly a scum tactic, do you have another reason for nuking a possible upstanding citizen? I would consider yolo to act like technology in LOTR, is it inherently evil? Course not, is it used predominately BY evil? Sadly yes ) : so null leaning scum. Excuse me but I never F@%*ing asked you. Why are you soft-defending M_Z then while you can be a null leaning scum. ON blasts gumshoe for "soft-defending MZ," because gumshoe...made a comment about ON's dumb yolo post. Nothing happened, but the words "soft-defend" don't apply here, they look nice, they look like scumhunting, but there's no soft defense, defense, or anything for him to be attacking in actuality. On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 09:04 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote: Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. Who are you implying is scummy based on that? (As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........) Bah, you are asking questions too straightforward. You never catch scum with that on D1, use your imagination. :D Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. On July 07 2013 09:20 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 09:11 OriginalName wrote: On July 07 2013 09:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 09:04 Xatalos wrote: On July 07 2013 08:56 johnnywup wrote: Okay to be honest guys I don't see any scumtells out of anyone so far. Seems like you're all just drawing lots of focus to stuff that doesn't actually tell you anything. THAT'S the scummiest thing I've seen as of yet. Who are you implying is scummy based on that? (As a sidenote, how can there be no scumtells and yet be scummy activity at the same time........) Bah, you are asking questions too straightforward. You never catch scum with that on D1, use your imagination. :D Whats wrong with asking for information to come to light, at the very least we get an insight into his thought process, by posting this you cover for JW and make it so he doesnt have to give his answer at all. What's the point of this question as i asked basically the same thing (without revealing my intentions) than Xatalos did from JW? If you asked the same damn question then why would you call out another person for asking it? Just let people give the damn pressure who cares how "straightforward" the question is, your imagination that your question is different from Xatalos's in the slightest is just that. While I too would like to know what else seems scummy to johnnywup there is no reason for me to call out an attempt to furthur that no matter how effective it may seem in my mind. Here he pokes at rayn, for no real reason again. He hasn't said anything about JW being scummy at this point (Keep this in mind). He wants JW to answer, wants to know who JW finds scummy, but before these posts hadn't said a word about JW. (3) ON and JW:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 00:13 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 00:09 johnnywup wrote: Shitty gutread? Maybe. But at least I'm voting scum. You're trying to start a bandwagon on an obvious townie. What are you smoking, all you've done is fling shit at wave and vayne and come up with a large wall of text basically saying OMGUS youve and like wave said you've never posted any actual reasons to why he is scum other than "Hes sarcastic" which is a piss poor reason in my opinion... Please come up with an actual defense at some point not just screaming that you are the towniest town to ever town because you are clearly not the towniest town to ever town. --------------------------------- Also the person who nuked M_Z is probably scum in my opinion... + Show Spoiler + Remember kids day 1 nukes are bad yo. On July 08 2013 00:14 OriginalName wrote: Oh before i forget ##Vote Johnnywup Accuses JW of "flinging shit" about WoS and VA, gets really really hyperaggressive here. Again, despite never really having called JW out on anything before. Rather than really push the "JW is scum" angle though, look at his first post here. He wants JW to post a defense, an actual defense. That, to me, is ... out of character with legitimate scumhunting/voting. If he thinks JW is useless, why does he care what JW posts in his own defense? If he thinks JW is scum, he doesn't want JW to post a defense, he wants JW to die. I don't understand this exchange if ON is town, but i CAN understand it if ON is scum (and JW is town, which we don't know). ON wants to "scumhunt," but knows that JW is town, and therefore all he can really do as far as pressuring JW goes is pressure him to defend himself. Not outright call him scummy, not outright say you want him lynched, but just say you want him to post a defense. (4) Okay! You're saying. That doesn't make him scum. Nope, it doesn't. But follow ON and JW down the road a ways:+ Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: This is...50 minutes after ON's vote on JW. FIFTY MINUTES. In that amount of time, he continues to walk this weird accusation line. He'll vote for JW, but never explicitly call JW scum (something I often have a problem doing as scum, straight-up calling townies scum). He thinks there's scum on the JW lynch, but he's leaving his vote there "for pressure" and a coherent defense. He announces that he's going to move his vote in the afternoon, is fine shifting his vote, and wants to lynch "one of those lurkers" as an "alternate lynch."Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 00:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Kanopy how many scum do you think have jumped aboard the Whoops Wagon thus far? Regardless of alignment at least one is probably on there at the moment I'm almost sure its one of the people who just jumped on there and left that are a part of it. I'm leaving my vote on there for now because the more pressure on whup the more defence we get and it is getting somewhat more coherent. In all likelyhood I'm going to move off him later this afternoon unless he really fucks up. If we are going to push an alt lynch we should probably jump on one of those lurkers. Chezinu is a stupid D1 lynch atm in my opinion. This is for a variety of factors, how those nukes flip are likely going to be much better indicators then what we have to work with for now, I am completely alright with a day 2 chez lynch if it turns out to be a more valid idea. I'm completely alright with shifting pressure votes onto some lurkers maybe shift over to Z-Boson and see if he actually does anything. Do you see what I see?
I dont have to explcitly call him scum, my vote said that for me, I left for work and he posted a defense I was satisfied with he gave and outlined reasoning for his actions, others saw exactly what I did and converted to a different target, I advocated a lurker lynch and when we eventually moved towards DI I put my vote on him. This is nothing to do with uncaring about my vote. (5) ON doesn't care about his vote, you say? Then why would he make posts such as these! + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 01:04 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 01:02 Xatalos wrote: Maybe johnnywup should be allowed to live another day. Certainly Onegu, MajuGarzett, TanGeng and Abenson are looking bad, possibly worse than johnnywup, at the moment. But why is WoS scum? Im in agreement with anyone on this list On July 09 2013 01:42 OriginalName wrote: So are we thinking about a lurker lynch today or are we going to go after somebody actually in the thread. If we do go after some of the less active people we could be looking at stutters or SnB SnB in particuler just seems to just call a few people scummy then up and leave again. Stutters has done absolutely shit all. ofc we also have afk Dandel that is always a possiblity. On July 09 2013 02:06 OriginalName wrote: Oh nm, holy hell. ON doesn't seem to care AT ALL where his vote is, and just wants to lynch a lurker maybe. He'll just lynch whoever.Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 01:55 WaveofShadow wrote: ##Vote: Dandel Ion As a starting point. If consolidation is necessary I'll move around as needed. (6) Fine austinmcc, but why is he scummy? Ah. That's the question (unless you already find him scummy). (A) He looks like he's interacting with the thread, but he's not really. Most of his posts are throwaways. Most of the ones that LOOK like they have analysis or votes or scumhunting or something are just air. He doesn't care about scumhunting, he doesn't seem to care at all about the game at all. (B) I brought up his bristliness earlier, and he responded: On July 08 2013 06:48 OriginalName wrote: On July 08 2013 06:30 austinmcc wrote: Look at that. He needs to be bristly to find information, push people, gain information, and get scum. I would like for everyone who thinks that ON has done those things today to raise their hands. In real life, raise your hand. In the game, type #raisehand. Seriously. Look at his filter, his impact on this game, and tell me that he's collecting information, doing anything with information, pushing people, or trying to hunt scum.On July 08 2013 06:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: There isn't a reason not to lynch him eventually, based on his play so far.xata, austin, and geript shut up for a second and tell me why we shouldn't lynch dandel On July 08 2013 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think that his filter is full of junk. His playful posts in the beginning add nothing. He's very, very ... accusatory/bristly, when I don't see a need for him to be. That's a characteristic to compare to past games. Early post towards you, later post towards johnny, just really being antagonistic when there's no reason. Beyond those, he's chimed in on a couple things but either after others have said the same thing, or with chiming that doesn't actually do anything/go anywhere. He don't look groovy.Austin what do you think of ON? Can you give me one good reason why Chezinu would as town nuke Xatalos? Yes. Xat fakenuked Chez. being accusatory or bristly doesnt mean im scum though, you have to provoke a reaction in order to find information. Right now we have a half decent atmosphere for hunting and and we can continue pushing people, this is not majority lynch its plurality, votes can fly everywhere for the fisrt part of the day its not like we risk having a hammer drop. Why shouldn't we be antagonistic towards scum, Johnny's later defense put him in a much better light, if we had not pressured him as much we did not gain information. Why do you not like more information Austin, do you have issues with a playstyle because i can point to mulitple other town players who played like me in past games, I'm not here to be nice im here to get scum. He never calls JW scummy outright. He explicitly says he'll unvote JW after 50 minutes. He mentions lurker lynches multiple times, not just in general, but like "So, who we lynching?" None of that is scumhunting AT ALL. His given reason for the tone of his early posts is a very townie-sounding reason, but unfortunately, he has not lived up to his billing. He's not doing what he says he's doing. And when that thing is scumhunting, it's a 'portant thing to either do or not claim you're doing. That right there is the biggest reason to vote for him. He's doing all these things that maybe he thinks LOOK like scumhunting, but never actually scumhunting. He puts his vote on JW for "pressure," but never actually applies any pressure. After that, he just asks who we're lynching and occasionally chimes in about a thing, so you KNOW that he's not entirely AFK but is reading thread - + Show Spoiler + On July 08 2013 09:33 OriginalName wrote: @Ace What do you think of the Dandel Ion and his complete utter Disappearance? Is it possible its some crazy cost for a power? On July 08 2013 09:34 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 11:09 Chezinu wrote: I think this is a cool video. http://www.wimp.com/unmannedrocket/ I cannot confirm nor deny anything about my nukes. I am following the rules rest assured. This was the post about possible nuke implosion for those who missed it On July 09 2013 01:37 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 01:36 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 01:34 Ace wrote: also if we cant come to a consensus on who to lynch, vote someone that will get nuked off What do you mean with this? he means that we apply 2 kp to a person to insure they die thus avoiding a mislynch as they would die anyways. So what makes me different from Ace who "keeps his opinions close to his chest" am I not allowed the same luxury when I can't tell who is town or scum at all, almost everyone is a null tell due to the sheer amount of lurkers in this game. We could have the entire scum team lurking while we all point fingers around at each other as town and mislynch each other. Please also note that he's not a newbie. It's not as if he's never scumhunted, never pressured anyone, etc. In terms of semi-recent filters, you can look at: Looney Lynching, Caller Game, Game of Thrones While he sometimes posts in all caps or in an accusatory manner, he has a LOT of reasoned out posts in those games, posts that are entirely lacking from this game: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 11:27 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On September 18 2012 10:42 Mattchew wrote: On September 18 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote: On September 18 2012 01:24 Zephirdd wrote: On September 18 2012 01:15 Drazerk wrote: On September 18 2012 01:14 Zephirdd wrote: Yugi, 7 players posted. in a 26 player game where you know 3 of your allies. Oh so you have 3 allies? if anyone's worried, really this should be your confirmation that Zeph is a turk. that and no one defending him Defense in and of it self is a null tell in this setup due to the team mechanic, what does anyone outside of his own faction gain from defending him. Said faction is probably not touching the issue with a 10 foot pole or would be outright bussing him in order to maintain furthur credibility. In all honesty there is no reason to defend him nor is it reasonable to defend anyone else as this game is less kill the mafia as much as kill everyone but your faction. The flip side to this mechanic is you could attempt to force the game into superlate and just attempt for a last man standing kind of deal but we really dont need theorycrafting beyond that day 1. On September 18 2012 11:40 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On September 18 2012 11:34 Mattchew wrote: On September 18 2012 11:32 OriginalName wrote: On September 18 2012 11:30 Mattchew wrote: i mean wouldnt someone on his town team say like hey zeph is town? Whats the point, they just outed themselves as a member of that faction at which point some bastard vigi could shoot him to make the lead wider. i would think killing scum would be everyones first priority Think of it this way mattchew: Your on a town faction, none of your homies are in deepshit and its night time and you have a vigi shot. There was a townie killed the day or night before and you are 80% sure that Person X is on his team. Now you are 40% sure that person Y is a turk for whatever reason. You could just take a safe shot and more or less eliminate one team from the runnings right then and there as a 2 man deficit is fatal this early in the game. Or take the less safe scum shot over waiting for more information. Now naturally this would be another case if you were more sure of scum but theoretically speaking hitting a townie not on your team with a shot is not particularly bad play early on. ESPECIALLY if you manage to hit scum with a lynch. On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote: I'm voting SLJ For the following reasons I believe them to be scum. -There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour -Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on. -Pushing agenda through above method -Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care -Throwing votes down without reason The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets. Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this. #Vote SLJ On March 24 2012 06:25 OriginalName wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 06:11 SamuelLJackson wrote: ON stop nitpicking on syllo, you realize he is talking about only him and not SLJ as a whole. Honestly what do you think produces more information day1, me pushing a hard lynch I'm not very confident on and most town sheeping me blindly or if I stay cool and let the thread behave organically. I'm not here to behave as people think a townie should behave, I'm trying to get the most info out of this day. I find it hard to believe you really think we are the best lynch for day1 (LOL). Sit down and watch us get shot night 1 or come back day2 and murder all scum. There is no issues with pushing a hard lynch as often that push can cause scum to slip up harder. If they seem more townie as time goes on then fine switch off. Im just tierd of people playing passive on Day 1 because of what they deem as weak reads. Throw ideas out thats the point sure asking questions is fine but what and WHY do you think something Going to move over to Eventrees for now, Im likeing sandro if not syllo but really Im probably just wasting my vote atm. ##Vote Eventrees @Sandro Im probably picking on you more then most because you have 2 people working on an account with people who dont want to play the game. If anything im venting frustration on people who are being overall unhelpful and while i do believe that if you want to hide info between yourselves if you are town theres no harm in throwing out those ideas to us as well to throw our opinions on. @Generally everyone else What is everyone thinking about Sinesis i dont think its wise to truely ignore anyone and he seems to be just sitting there and not barging into the forefront. This vote moving so frigging much. I actually like a DI lynch more than before because, despite showing back up to the thread for a moment, he posts basically nothing, notes he'd vote caucasianasian, says he wrote a post but lost it, gone permanently. Things swung away from him, there's lots of stuff ripe for discussion, and he disappeared. I agree but still like ON more. | ||
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July 08 2013 22:08 GMT
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July 08 2013 22:11 GMT
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July 08 2013 22:12 GMT
#1407
On July 09 2013 06:59 Nirvana.Gabo wrote: i'm totally scum u gaiz I thought this (combined with not posting anything for like the last 30min) was a scumclaim for many long minutes. Damn you NG. | ||
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July 08 2013 22:19 GMT
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July 09 2013 07:58 GMT
#1574
I'm really saddened by recent revelations about rayn. I thought he was most certainly town, but these factors make me doubt him again: 1) Not claiming his stealth nuke despite heavily encouraging people to claim stealth nukes (!) 2) Only claiming it now to apparently put Meapak and WoS under renewed suspicion 3) Claiming that he didn't have a nuke and begging anyone to nuke Chezinu for him, then stealth nuking Meapak instead... WHAT?? 4) Most worryingly, HAVING A TOWN READ ON MEAPAK AFTER NUKING HIM AND ALL THE WAY UNTIL NOW THAT NG FLIPPED TOWN This play doesn't really seem town-motivated, I'm sad to say. Worst of all, this puts two of my townreads (rayn and Meapak) back towards null, since Meapak could have been nuked by town rayn and rayn could have nuked scum Meapak (I guess they could both be town as well, although definitely not both scum). After some thinking about DI, I don't think he's a good lynch/nuketarget atm. I agree with geript that everyone was too happy to vote for him until ON came along very late into the day. DI's play itself doesn't feel town-motivated, but scum didn't seem to have objections to lynching him (only geript objected to it, I think?). I've also been thinking about the vote spreads. In PTP the scumteam (geript, austinmcc, Meapak) and anti-town Survivor (kitaman27), all four, voted for different players D1. I find it very likely that the scumteam was mostly spread out this game and definitely not mostly on the same player. I think there was maybe 1-2 on ON, 1-2 on DI and the rest on random players. Especially the ON wagon looks townish IMO and the latecomers to that wagon are less likely scum, simply because it would raise unnecessary attention to jump on at the last moments. I'm mostly worried about those who stayed on other targets (Abenson, jampidampi, MajuGarzett, Oatsmaster, Z-Boson, Alakaslam, FirmTofu). Any of those, with maybe the exceptions of FirmTofu and Oatsmaster, should be good nuke/lynch targets tomorrow. I'm worried about a couple of players on the DI wagon as well (Ace, strongandbig at least), but yeah, those on other players than ON or DI should be looked at first of all..... | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 08:30 GMT
#1578
On July 09 2013 17:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Are the people that stayed on other targets in the thread around lynch? Cause if not, its just circumstance I guess. I thought NG was the scummiest and that he could possibly get lynched. Then big things happened. Yeah, I'm not saying that all players who avoided the main lynch battle are scum. Some were probably genuinely AFK or something. But just looking at PTP, there were no scum on the D1 mislynch wagon at all (could it be the same here? It's possible I guess). They were all spread out on random players basically. In all my scum games we have spread out everyone on a different player as well. It just makes sense for scum to keep a certain distance between each other. Based on that, I'm going to take a hard look at the players who voted meaninglessly. Of course there's most likely scum on the ON/DI wagons as well. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 08:32 GMT
#1579
On July 09 2013 17:23 CaucasianAsian wrote: Signup list: 1. Dandel Ion 2. Ghost_403 3. Oatsmaster 4. Stutters695 5. Z-BosoN 6. Abenson 7. Meapak_Ziphh 8. Ace 9. MajuGarzett 10. Johnnywup 11. Onegu 12. Geript 13. VayneAuthority 14. Strongandbig 15. Gumshoe 16. OriginalName - lynched Day 1 17. TanGeng - Nuked Day 1 18. Xatalos 19. CaucasianAsian 20. Alakasam 21. WaveofShadow 22. jampidampi 23. raynpelikoneet 24. Nirvana.Gabo - Redirected Nuke Day 1 25. FirmTofu 26. Chezinu 27. austinmcc Yes...? | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 08:43 GMT
#1581
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 08:44 GMT
#1582
On July 09 2013 17:41 CaucasianAsian wrote: sorry, just wanted to put it in my filter. Have you read through the thread yet? Did you notice something that hasn't been mentioned yet? Scumreads, townreads? | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 08:50 GMT
#1584
On July 08 2013 12:31 Abenson wrote: Anyways I've unvoted from Johnny since although he looks kinda suspicious, it might be just newbie town. I think we can pay attention to him but not lynch him right away. Gonna vote Chez. Interested to see what he flips and what motivated him to throw that nuke THIS is basically the only post from Abenson with any kind of content in it. Just... look at it. "Johnnywup might be scum, he might be town. Maybe we shouldn't lynch him now, but maybe later. Gonna vote Chezinu, his flip would be interesting." 1) Total flip-flopping and vagueness on johnnywup 2) Voting Chezinu not for scumminess, but for info Yeah, found one VERY lynchable guy immediately by looking at the meaningless voters. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 08:53 GMT
#1585
On July 09 2013 17:48 CaucasianAsian wrote: Meapak, ryan, and WaveofShadow. So, Ryan nukes Meapak (doesn't claim), WaveofShadow redirects it, Ryan claims after redirected. Why? Sorry, I'm still trying to catchup. I'm not completely sure why myself. A) rayn is scum and doing illogical stuff because of that B) rayn is town and failing at that | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 09:00 GMT
#1586
On July 08 2013 07:35 MajuGarzett wrote: Ok, just caught up, sorry for being inactive One of the people I find scummy is Vayne. He voted pretty early based off of one post and after that hasn't done much. Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 05:35 VayneAuthority wrote: On July 08 2013 05:31 geript wrote: On July 08 2013 05:28 VayneAuthority wrote: On July 08 2013 05:26 geript wrote: I don't think I've ever seen him make sense as either alignment. But I think it was a newbie game and another game or two (as town) where he came off as super arrogant. I don't see that at all here. I also don't see how his conspiracy theories make him town. Normally, I would agree that that type of this tends to be a newbie town tell, but I don't see any real convoluted aspect to them. His thought process is just so intentionally murky to me that I don't like it in addition to the random meta bonus. But eh, Can we at least both agree that NirvanaMonkey should be lynched if he doesn't do shit other than his one previous post? I play differently in every single game so meta'ing me with a pretty bad choice. I will agree that the posted you quoted is intentionally scummy, I was trying to bait scum into trying to make some shitty case on it but I don't really think you're scum so it didn't work that well. Stop wasting your time and my time then. Just scum hunt and make your thought process clear. Who are your top scum targets and why? Right now im looking at johnny and Caucasian. I already placed my vote/reasoning on johnny if you filter me so now to caucasian... filler post then the old I'm drunk thing so I can't help town. When do drunk posts ever turn back town unless it's like BH? It's such a cop out. If you're drunk don't post or at least try harder then that. If he's town I really have no regrets as he is giving us nothing to work with That post is the most of his thoughts he's given and all it is is repeating that he suspects Johnny and then making a read on somebody with no meaningful posts. I feel he voted early to look eager in looking for scum and is trying to use that to go under the radar. To me it seems like little output from about 20 posts. I agree with the suspicion about Onegu. Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 04:34 Onegu wrote: Sleeping soon so if there are any questions in the next half hour or so I will be around. The next thing is on Alakaslam, his activeity level has me feeling scummy. Compared to his last game where he would post about his dinner, add in the fact he watched 2 lurkers make it to endgame. The chez situation really needs to be explored more, and if he refuses to give answers he needs to be lynched. Just the way he admited he launched it but didnt explain why gives me a really big scum vibe, and he really doesnt add much productivity to the thread either. ##VOTE: Chezinu Here he says we need answers from Chezinu or Chezinu should be lynched but then votes in the same post. Why not wait and see if there's a reply? I think he might just be trying to start a bandwagon. Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 01:07 Onegu wrote: Johnny has mostly posted fluff, but so have I (first game as town), but I dont see any lynchable offenses yet. And here he justifies fluff posting as being new to the game. I don't think that makes sense, regardless of experience, its not hard to take some time between posts to write something constructive instead of just spouting fluff ##Vote: Onegu Looking at Abenson's filter, it's hard to say much from 2 posts and since both posts are close together he might just be busy, but he really avoided saying anything about anyone. MajuGarzett mostly (almost exclusively) posts fluff, but this one posts had several reads and even reasoning behind them. His wording is very "weak" and hesitant though, clearly careful not to go too far or to be too vague either. Verdict: somewhat likely scum | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 09:02 GMT
#1587
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 09:16 GMT
#1589
On July 09 2013 18:04 CaucasianAsian wrote: So, what we know is that Ryan has the ability to nuke, and the ability to nuke secretly at that. I'm trying to think of a role where that would be good. It's obvious now that he has some role, either as a townie, or scum. Overall, isn't it a stupid idea just role calling? Doesn't it put himself out as a target? Is Ryan really as dumb as to tell everyone he can launch secret nukes (unless it was his only one?)? The fact that he tells everyone he can launch secret nukes, is role calling saying he is dangerous. Is that really good for town? Either way, he is stupid for telling everyone he can launch secret nukes. Is he not? What is he trying to accomplish? I have 2 scenarios: 1) Town nuker: - Really blew up over Meapak pointing a finger at him, and wanted revenge by nuking Meapak. I don't know how they play mafia, but it assumes that they have some history. 2) Scum nuker: - Meapak starts out very early accusing ryan of being mafia. Afraid of this, he nukes meapak. There may be more to the story, and possibly a history. He may be afraid of Meapak for being a good player, and wants to get rid of him ASAP. But if this is the case, why would he claim it? I'm assuming ryan is a decent player, but I can't imagine a scum player quickly claiming a nuke. It does exactly what everyone is doing now, it instantly makes you suspicious. Not claiming it at first, and then claiming it later... Why would scum do this? It's super suspicious, and they know it. Every scenario I can think of, it boils down to A) Ryan is a stupid townie who is angry at Meapak. or B) Ryan is a stupid scum scared of Meapak. Heh, I pretty much agree. In any case this lessens my trust in rayn, even if he is town and just OMGUS-nuked Meapak after Meapak questioned rayn's nuke-beg for Chezinu. I guess it'd be too risky to claim now as scum, since it clearly puts him under suspicion, but it makes a bit more sense for him to be scum based on his role usage. Then again, I had a good townread on rayn for other reasons (very active and focused posting) before this. Because of that and dangerously claiming NOW, I'm leaning on town and just messing up. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 09:38 GMT
#1590
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 09:43 GMT
#1592
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 09:46 GMT
#1593
On July 09 2013 18:41 CaucasianAsian wrote: I know mafia is a complete mindfuck of a game. Is it possible that he is mafia, and claiming the nuke, makes people think he is stupid, and thus not mafia? let me explain: Ryan claims nuke, thus claiming he is dangerous. This instantly makes him suspicious. But then as people realize that it's so obvious that he is suspicious that there is no way he can be mafia because why would mafia ostracize himself? Is it possible he is on a whole other level? I'm probably over thinking things... fuck. Did WaveofShadow explain why he redirected from Meapak? That, my friend, is the true meaning of WIFOM WoS mentioned that he mainly wanted to save Meapak, not so much to nuke NG, but people agreed on NG so that was that. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 09:50 GMT
#1596
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 09:53 GMT
#1597
On July 09 2013 18:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah I dont think that fits in with WoS normal playstyle I feel. Seems like a really hesitant play from a dude who like never gets mislynched. I agree it's a bit weird that he hesitated so much and asked for permission before doing it. In his place, I would have just done it. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 09:54 GMT
#1598
On July 09 2013 18:50 MajuGarzett wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 18:41 CaucasianAsian wrote: Did WaveofShadow explain why he redirected from Meapak? Not really. Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game. I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit. Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. That's basically all he said on the matter before sending in the redirect. @Xata: I'll try to be more decisive in the future, I feel that's just how I speak though. I know Rayn or someone asked for reads on WoS and MZ but its really late so I'll do it when I wake up. I think you missed WOS's explanation. Aren't you reading the thread? Obviously scum. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 10:00 GMT
#1600
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 10:36 GMT
#1606
On July 09 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote: Alright Im catching up now, my has been sick all day and just now went down for his nap. Im like 30 pages behind so give me a few min. You and gumshoe need to step up from pure sheepdom. Your scumreads? | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 10:38 GMT
#1607
On July 09 2013 19:00 MajuGarzett wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 18:54 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 18:50 MajuGarzett wrote: On July 09 2013 18:41 CaucasianAsian wrote: Did WaveofShadow explain why he redirected from Meapak? Not really. On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game. I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit. Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. That's basically all he said on the matter before sending in the redirect. @Xata: I'll try to be more decisive in the future, I feel that's just how I speak though. I know Rayn or someone asked for reads on WoS and MZ but its really late so I'll do it when I wake up. I think you missed WOS's explanation. Aren't you reading the thread? Obviously scum. Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game. I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit. Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 01:34 WaveofShadow wrote: On July 09 2013 01:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: On July 09 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm a one-shot Hacker. I can redirect any nuke anywhere else once in the game. I've had a pretty decent townread on MZ for most of the game. Yes it's possible it's a fake nuke and MZ is scum (I find this a little unlikely) but then if the nuke IS fake we find out when I redirect it and it doesn't hit. Either way I'm thinking of redirecting to NG. While I appreciate the thought it may be better to save your power until later in the game. Although now that you've claimed you'll probably get killed tonight anyway -_- I doubt it. :D Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 01:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Well shit, Rayn's on board. DONE DEAL LADIES. Those were the posts between the roleclaim and the redirect so I looked at those and didn't see an explanation there, I guess I missed it somewhere else in the filter though. After that I thought most people were just ok with nuking NG. He explained more after that. Whatever, I gave my blessing for that action so I have zero right to criticize I really. I'm pretty sure Meapak is town too so I doubt it was even a mistake. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 10:45 GMT
#1610
On July 09 2013 19:05 CaucasianAsian wrote: I still have a scummy read on Johnny, and I'll explain below. if I'm wrong, or not on the right path, please correct me. I'm going to write this out, and then grab dinner with a friend. I won't be able to reply for a few more hours. Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 00:26 johnnywup wrote: I know I'm not very good at mafia. But what you need to understand is that NOTHING that I've done says scum over bad townie. I am a bad townie. I can see why I'm probably a good lynch for day 1. I can see why I'm being bandwagonned. It's because it's so easy for scum to tunnel bad townies. If you can find something that I've done that screams scum over bad townie, go for my lynch (hint: there is none). I may be the best lynch even lacking that. But when I flip town (assuming I'm lynched), know that it was as much your fault as scum, townies, for following this bandwagon. Oh yeah, and WoS is the one who is trying to push it in a major way, more than anyone else. So Johnny went through a lot of scrutiny at first, and posts this. He pretty much says "please don't lynch me, i'm town, i'm just bad." I don't know much about how forum-based mafia works, but in live mafia this is very commonly scum. It's usually a last hope without role calling. "I know I'm bad, and I'm no use to anyone, but please let me live" It's simply not beneficial in any circumstance to state that you are bad at the game when you are trying to avoid a lynch. Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 14:09 johnnywup wrote: Guys. I don't have much time left. I need to nuke someone to live. I'm getting a scummy read out of TanGeng. He's one I feel is most likely scum... So there you go. ##nuke TanGeng I will not be able to change this. Additionally, I am going to vote for Dandel Ion for now. Of the inactives, he seems most likely scum. I can change this in the morning if I feel like it, and I don't think a chez lynch is the best idea right now, and he seems to be gaining the most traction. I don't support that. So I'm voting for a new candidate which I think most people can agree on lynching on if it comes to it. I find that many people are just saying "i think he's scummy." in this game. To be honest, it really annoys me as they are not giving any basis behind it. It's the whole conspiracy theorist bullshit that you see on forums all the time. "If you don't believe it, just do the research yourself". It's annoying, makes other people do pointless work, and overall not beneficial to town. Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 14:17 johnnywup wrote: On July 08 2013 14:11 geript wrote: Just out of curiosity, Whoops what are you reasons for TanGeng over the other lurkers? I really like your pick, I'm just curious in the specific. I'm not going to go over every reason, but he follows the bandwagon a TON and his analysis isn't really insightful or unique at all. He criticizes over weak points and flip flops. Just look at his posts...I can't see a townie typing what he's typing/voting at ALL. None of it makes sense as a townie for me. I can only see scum typing what is written, if that makes sense? There's specifics for each individual post but that sort of is a general overview. If you want I could go over every single post but since you also think he's scum I don't think it's necessary So he actually does respond, and is being quite hypocritical in his basis. His posts have not been beneficial as once again, he refuses to give any real reason. Once again, "i could really explain to you, but i don't want to, and I shouldn't have to. you can either believe me or do your own research" It's a simple way to make someone who doesn't want to do a lot of work, believe you, by believing so hardcore in what you are saying, without actually saying anything. It's pretty much fluff in this post "i won't give any real reasoning, but you should trust me. his posts make no sense" this is just nonsense. Good to see you posting, but I think what you explained is more indicative of bad (town) play rather than necessarily scummy play. IMO all that can be explained by bad play rather than being scum; there's nothing that points to being scum being the more obvious explanation. I agree though that he needs to explain more and complain less. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 10:47 GMT
#1612
On July 09 2013 19:39 jampidampi wrote: I don't think rayn lauched the nuke. If he had a nuke, why wouldn't it have been launched here? Unless the nuke could be launched only by a PM to the hosts, rays nuke should have been launched at Xata early D1. Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyone who has a nuke available nuke geript. He's scum. Show nested quote + On July 07 2013 09:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU ASAP! HE IS NUKING TOWN! ANTI-NUKE! WHATEVER! plz Show nested quote + Rayn calling for others to be nuked. If he had a nuke why wouldn't he nuke them himself? On July 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: i do not have a nuke. I tell that now. SOMEONE NUKE CHEZINU! Anyone who is town and has a nuke, nuke Chezinu-. Show nested quote + Here he's asking opinions on Meapak 10 min before mods confirmed the launch. If he's trying to get permission to fire the nuke or confirmation for his scumread wouldn't he wait until after the responses to fire the nuke? If he had already set his mind on nuking Meapak, why ask others for their opinion on Meapak? On July 07 2013 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: jampidampi look at MZ and tell me what do you see. Show nested quote + Rays first post after the launch. If there is no downside for claiming a silent nuke why wouldn't you claim it right then? The bolded is especially odd. If you launched the nuke, why would it pop in to your mind that scum are trying to frame you by nuking your scumread who is actually town?On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote: @rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. LOL I just don't understand rayn at this point. Why would be seriously lie like that and then BASE HIS TOWNREAD OF MEAPAK ON HIS OWN LIE??? It's just 100% ridiculous. Sigh... | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 10:55 GMT
#1613
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 11:19 GMT
#1616
On July 09 2013 06:12 ghost_403 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 05:32 Xatalos wrote: Okay, lynching ON is better than lynching Chezinu or Dandel Ion at this point. Dandel Ion is more likely town than scum and we can wait more on Chezinu and his madness. ##Unvote ##Vote OriginalName Second. ##Vote OriginalName Sorry for activity at the moment, life went nuts. Be here all day tomorrow. On July 09 2013 04:02 Stutters695 wrote: ##vote: Dandel Ion Yep.... These almost feel too scummy to be scum. But either they are anti-town town or anti-town scum, and I want them dead in both cases. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 11:20 GMT
#1617
On July 09 2013 20:13 CaucasianAsian wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 19:45 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 19:05 CaucasianAsian wrote: On July 09 2013 18:38 Xatalos wrote: Any scumreads yet, CA? I still have a scummy read on Johnny, and I'll explain below. if I'm wrong, or not on the right path, please correct me. I'm going to write this out, and then grab dinner with a friend. I won't be able to reply for a few more hours. On July 08 2013 00:26 johnnywup wrote: I know I'm not very good at mafia. But what you need to understand is that NOTHING that I've done says scum over bad townie. I am a bad townie. I can see why I'm probably a good lynch for day 1. I can see why I'm being bandwagonned. It's because it's so easy for scum to tunnel bad townies. If you can find something that I've done that screams scum over bad townie, go for my lynch (hint: there is none). I may be the best lynch even lacking that. But when I flip town (assuming I'm lynched), know that it was as much your fault as scum, townies, for following this bandwagon. Oh yeah, and WoS is the one who is trying to push it in a major way, more than anyone else. So Johnny went through a lot of scrutiny at first, and posts this. He pretty much says "please don't lynch me, i'm town, i'm just bad." I don't know much about how forum-based mafia works, but in live mafia this is very commonly scum. It's usually a last hope without role calling. "I know I'm bad, and I'm no use to anyone, but please let me live" It's simply not beneficial in any circumstance to state that you are bad at the game when you are trying to avoid a lynch. On July 08 2013 14:09 johnnywup wrote: Guys. I don't have much time left. I need to nuke someone to live. I'm getting a scummy read out of TanGeng. He's one I feel is most likely scum... So there you go. ##nuke TanGeng I will not be able to change this. Additionally, I am going to vote for Dandel Ion for now. Of the inactives, he seems most likely scum. I can change this in the morning if I feel like it, and I don't think a chez lynch is the best idea right now, and he seems to be gaining the most traction. I don't support that. So I'm voting for a new candidate which I think most people can agree on lynching on if it comes to it. I find that many people are just saying "i think he's scummy." in this game. To be honest, it really annoys me as they are not giving any basis behind it. It's the whole conspiracy theorist bullshit that you see on forums all the time. "If you don't believe it, just do the research yourself". It's annoying, makes other people do pointless work, and overall not beneficial to town. On July 08 2013 14:17 johnnywup wrote: On July 08 2013 14:11 geript wrote: Just out of curiosity, Whoops what are you reasons for TanGeng over the other lurkers? I really like your pick, I'm just curious in the specific. I'm not going to go over every reason, but he follows the bandwagon a TON and his analysis isn't really insightful or unique at all. He criticizes over weak points and flip flops. Just look at his posts...I can't see a townie typing what he's typing/voting at ALL. None of it makes sense as a townie for me. I can only see scum typing what is written, if that makes sense? There's specifics for each individual post but that sort of is a general overview. If you want I could go over every single post but since you also think he's scum I don't think it's necessary So he actually does respond, and is being quite hypocritical in his basis. His posts have not been beneficial as once again, he refuses to give any real reason. Once again, "i could really explain to you, but i don't want to, and I shouldn't have to. you can either believe me or do your own research" It's a simple way to make someone who doesn't want to do a lot of work, believe you, by believing so hardcore in what you are saying, without actually saying anything. It's pretty much fluff in this post "i won't give any real reasoning, but you should trust me. his posts make no sense" this is just nonsense. Good to see you posting, but I think what you explained is more indicative of bad (town) play rather than necessarily scummy play. IMO all that can be explained by bad play rather than being scum; there's nothing that points to being scum being the more obvious explanation. I agree though that he needs to explain more and complain less. In either case, either he is a bad town, or scum, why did everyone move away from lynching him? I'm under the impression from previous live games that bad town is bad for town... It depends. johnnywup has at least put in some effort, although he hasn't shown convincing play. I'm willing to give him some more time. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 11:27 GMT
#1618
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 11:29 GMT
#1619
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 11:44 GMT
#1622
On July 09 2013 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 19:55 Xatalos wrote: Maybe this is some elaborate ploy to lure out scum or something... That might be easier to understand than him really launching it as either scum or town. ing ding* We have a winner. I'll explain everything tonight. People who come out incedibly townie from this: Oats, Xatalos, Alaskaslam, Meapak, WoS People who come out scummy: Austin, Ace People who i need to think about more: Jampidampi, Maju LOL | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 11:52 GMT
#1624
I'm willing to believe that rayn speaks the truth since 1) him actually launching the nuke makes extremely little sense as either alignment 2) I've never seen scum make "big plays" like this but I've seen some townies do a bit similar stuff | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 11:56 GMT
#1627
On July 09 2013 10:59 Ace wrote: I was actually going to suggest rayne for lynch tomorrow since he was instrumental in turning the DI lynch around. ON was here defending himself and still kept getting votes, while DI disappeared. Now rayne admits to nuking MZ. I think this is actually a far worse offense than the DI thing since I didn't see him with any prior suspicions on MZ. Correct me if I'm wrong here. Hahhah and this looks suspiciously much like scum "eating the bait" to mislynch a previously townish townie. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:00 GMT
#1629
On July 09 2013 20:58 Ace wrote: what??? No prior suspicions, suddenly jumping on him when the general sentiment no longer trusts him that much. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:06 GMT
#1631
On July 09 2013 21:01 Ace wrote: what general sentiment? the only person that called rayne out with a case was MZ. If I was last here before the lynch, and I come back to see DI is saved and ON lynched, where else would you expect my suspicions to go? Think about this. It's just very convenient that you picked out rayn to start piling **** on once he became "vulnerable". Especially since most thought of him as town before that moment. And you didn't even mention austinmcc, me or several other people who were probably more or equally instrumental in the ON lynch compared to rayn. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:14 GMT
#1633
On July 09 2013 21:10 Ace wrote: So what if rayne was hought to be Town before the lynch by a few people? Shit changed with that ON lynch. Again, this is the same thing I said to geript: just because I singled out rayne doesn't mean I did not think about other people that turned the wagon around. MZ making a case on rayne just added fuel to the fire and made my read on him stronger. If you read my games and my advice in games I host I always advocate to do one thing at a time. Why would I make a case on a bunch of people at night? What exactly would I accomplish doing so? That's just wrong. People didn't start doubting rayn with the lynch, they started doubting him with the claim (most notably Meapak). What even makes rayn special regarding the lynch? I'm willing to bet that I was more effective in changing it around than him. What's your opinion of rayn at the moment? | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:15 GMT
#1634
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Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:18 GMT
#1636
On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote: To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game. Indeed. I expect much more of a veteran like him (unless he's scum of course). | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:25 GMT
#1639
On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote: How is it wrong? Be objective here. There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town. MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from. I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch. Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:28 GMT
#1640
On July 09 2013 21:20 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 21:16 geript wrote: To be honest, I'd much rather see a full reads list from him. He's done little and less all game. you know I dont do this. I've addressed this in THIS game and in every game I've ever played on this site. Stop it. Maybe you prefer to have a hard-to-read meta instead of helping town if you play town, but that's just stupid and only helps when you roll scum. "I never play pro-town" is no justification. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:35 GMT
#1649
On July 09 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 21:15 Xatalos wrote: Btw rayn, how was austinmcc's reaction scummy? I'm not sure if I can see that. When i claimed the nuke he didn't say anything about it but talked about other stuff, i even asked him about it (indirectly). Think about it. You are scum and some townie claimed a nuke that your team in fact launced. WTF? What would you do? Because i would not know what to say when that person starts questioning me about that. Hmm it makes some sense. If Ace and austinmcc were scum together, Ace would go for the opportunity to fling **** at a previous general townread (chaos and mistrust among town) while austinmcc would basically ignore it (wait and see -approach). I can see that being possible. It really is suspicious that he pretty much ignored the whole deal. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 12:43 GMT
#1654
On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote: How is it wrong? Be objective here. There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town. MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from. I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch. Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Explain why: 1) scum rayn would stealth nuke Meapak (instead of his eternal enemy Chezinu), base his townread on Meapak (at least partly) on his own lie, then be happy to redirect the nuke to NG 2) reveal all this quite a bit later with absolutely zero reason to do that and put himself under pressure 3) gather reactions without caring for his own safety and then reveal this plan No matter how I look at it, I see no reason for scum rayn to do all this. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:46 GMT
#1655
On July 09 2013 21:39 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 21:35 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 09 2013 21:15 Xatalos wrote: Btw rayn, how was austinmcc's reaction scummy? I'm not sure if I can see that. When i claimed the nuke he didn't say anything about it but talked about other stuff, i even asked him about it (indirectly). Think about it. You are scum and some townie claimed a nuke that your team in fact launced. WTF? What would you do? Because i would not know what to say when that person starts questioning me about that. Hmm it makes some sense. If Ace and austinmcc were scum together, Ace would go for the opportunity to fling **** at a previous general townread (chaos and mistrust among town) while austinmcc would basically ignore it (wait and see -approach). I can see that being possible. It really is suspicious that he pretty much ignored the whole deal. You seriously can not be this stupid. Less stupid than you for still believing in rayn's nuke-claim. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:47 GMT
#1656
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July 09 2013 12:47 GMT
#1657
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Xatalos
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July 09 2013 12:50 GMT
#1659
On July 09 2013 21:48 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 21:38 jampidampi wrote: On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote: How is it wrong? Be objective here. There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town. MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from. I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch. Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Can you then point out what makes you think Rayn nuked? I wrote a big post explaining why I think Rayn didn't nuke, what makes my analysis wrong? I think he nuked because I dont think he is dumb enough to nuke MZ just like that as Town. MZ was the one who called him out for lying and I don't think he expected that to happen. All of a sudden it is some big plan he had all along? regarding your post, I don't think he would have launched a nuke at Xata. He had no good reason for doing so. The first person he really went hard on was Chezinu, which would have made the most sense to nuke. Not sending a nuke at the guy he is calling for to be nuked makes no sense here. If he is fake claiming the nuke on MZ it does not add up. It still does not explain why he would just not have nuked Chezinu, and why he would even own up to that nuke in the first place. We don't know who the nuke came from and once MZ caught him in a lie he was stuck. So you don't know who the nuke came from after all? Wasn't it just coming from rayn a second ago? | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 13:00 GMT
#1664
Dandel Ion Ghost_403 (hardcore lurker, kill with fire please) Oatsmaster Stutters695 (hardcore lurker, kill with fire please) Z-BosoN Abenson Meapak_Ziphh Ace MajuGarzett Johnnywup Onegu Geript VayneAuthority Strongandbig Gumshoe CaucasianAsian Alakasam WaveofShadow jampidampi raynpelikoneet FirmTofu Chezinu austinmcc Thoughts? | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 13:11 GMT
#1674
On July 09 2013 21:55 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote: How is it wrong? Be objective here. There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town. MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from. I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch. Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Explain why: 1) scum rayn would stealth nuke Meapak (instead of his eternal enemy Chezinu), base his townread on Meapak (at least partly) on his own lie, then be happy to redirect the nuke to NG 2) reveal all this quite a bit later with absolutely zero reason to do that and put himself under pressure 3) gather reactions without caring for his own safety and then reveal this plan No matter how I look at it, I see no reason for scum rayn to do all this. 1.) why wouldn't he stealth nuke someone that is probably Town? durr? If he and Chezinu are scum buddies together then doesn't it make sense for him not to nuke him? If rayne's nukes can only be activated by stealth then this is moot as he would never even do so. If you honestly believe rayne has the capability to nuke another player and is Town - then why not nuke Chezinu? 2.) I don't think he actually thought it through well enough or he really believed he could get away with it. Again, MZ was the one who called him out on this. Unless you have a problem with MZ's post, then I don't see why you are over thinking this. Notice that even after he claimed he wasn't under any pressure. So he could very well have been correct in thinking he was safe on it. 3.) I don't understand where this is going. If you are assuming that only Town players will act bold you are acting under a false premise. Here's my thing: Why is the DI/ON lynch not a major deal to you? That was a last minute wagon flip that resulted in a townie lynch. The guy who was going to be lynched got away with a scant post in his defense and disappeared. ON put up a defense and votes weren't moved off of him. You don't see a problem here? I agree with geript's reasoning that the DI wagon went too smoothly without disagreement (only geript opposed it until austinmcc finally made his case, and DI had like 10+ votes at that point?). That means DI is probably town. If that is true, then there's literally zero reason for scum rayn to change the lynch from town to town. Even if DI were scum, you have zero reason to pursue rayn until 1) DI has flipped red and 2) you explain why rayn is more scummy for that than me or austin who were more strongly pursuing ON. It's just senseless all around. 1) I do not believe rayn has the capacity to launch a nuke. In that case, he would have surely launched it at Chezinu regardless of his alignnment (even as scum it would be stupid to launch at someone else and then claim a bit later). 2) Scum do not act rashly or carelessly, they are careful and serious. This is everything but careful and very risky for little if any gain (as scum). See the point? 3) See above. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 13:15 GMT
#1676
On July 09 2013 22:03 geript wrote: @Xatalos. I wouldn't be so hasty to paint Rayn green and Ace red. I think it's possible that it's the other way around and still quite possible that they're both green. Anything is possible. I colored what's likely. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 13:17 GMT
#1678
On July 09 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Because once he claimed, and there was no counterclaim, then obviously it came from scum. Ace how are you not seeing this?? This is true as well. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 13:21 GMT
#1682
On July 09 2013 22:19 geript wrote: Hey Xatalos. I have to disagree with you. At the time, I thought Rayn launched the nuke (obviously). I agree that his actions on congruous and aren't making much sense. He hasn't given any real reasons for why MZ over half a billion other players. Much like Chezinu, he hasn't given any reason for firing it as early as he did either. Neither do I see a town motivation in "looking for a claimer" for your own damn nuke. Wtf? He didn't launch the nuke, so how could he explain his reasons for targeting Meapak? Are you even reading now? | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 13:24 GMT
#1684
On July 09 2013 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 22:06 Ace wrote: @jampidampi: Ok I'm going to go with your assumption. Here's my new thought process. Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this. stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this? Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction. rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here. If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum? You can't possibly be this stupid. If the nuke was from a townie they would have CC'd me. That was another reason fopr fakeclaiming the nuke. It's sure from scum now. Stupid - or scum? (or both lol) | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 13:25 GMT
#1686
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July 09 2013 13:27 GMT
#1687
On July 09 2013 22:25 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 22:21 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 22:19 geript wrote: Hey Xatalos. I have to disagree with you. At the time, I thought Rayn launched the nuke (obviously). I agree that his actions on congruous and aren't making much sense. He hasn't given any real reasons for why MZ over half a billion other players. Much like Chezinu, he hasn't given any reason for firing it as early as he did either. Neither do I see a town motivation in "looking for a claimer" for your own damn nuke. Wtf? He didn't launch the nuke, so how could he explain his reasons for targeting Meapak? Are you even reading now? I don't believe that he didn't launch the nuke. I'm not seeing a real masterplan behind fake claiming a nuke. As a matter of fact, just after it was launched I was all like "Yo rayn was that you?" Because rayn is that type of player to do shit like that. Read jampidampi's post, I think he explained better why it makes no sense for rayn to have launched the nuke as either alignment. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 13:50 GMT
#1693
On July 09 2013 22:35 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 22:10 jampidampi wrote: On July 09 2013 22:06 Ace wrote: @jampidampi: Ok I'm going to go with your assumption. Here's my new thought process. Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this. stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this? Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction. rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here. If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum? He has a post reasoning why the nuke is from scum: On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote: @rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Town is not going to willy nilly claim nukes on the first day. If we all claimed we could nuke how would that tell us who nuked MZ? We can't verify anything that quickly in the game and Scum may also have nukes. That explanation is not a strong argument at all. Also we have to be aware of a fallacy here. If MZ is Town and he was nuked, and no one claims we are assuming it came from Scum. It could come from a townie who did not want to fess up. It could have come from 3rd party who isn't claiming shit. We are assuming that not claiming = Scum motivation. rayne claims it at the end of the day, and thus should be considered Town for fessing up to a legit nuke that he came up with an explanation for ahead of time. If not, he was just setting up a gambit to catch scum. That is extremely convenient wouldn't you say so? Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 22:11 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:55 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote: How is it wrong? Be objective here. There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town. MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from. I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch. Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Explain why: 1) scum rayn would stealth nuke Meapak (instead of his eternal enemy Chezinu), base his townread on Meapak (at least partly) on his own lie, then be happy to redirect the nuke to NG 2) reveal all this quite a bit later with absolutely zero reason to do that and put himself under pressure 3) gather reactions without caring for his own safety and then reveal this plan No matter how I look at it, I see no reason for scum rayn to do all this. 1.) why wouldn't he stealth nuke someone that is probably Town? durr? If he and Chezinu are scum buddies together then doesn't it make sense for him not to nuke him? If rayne's nukes can only be activated by stealth then this is moot as he would never even do so. If you honestly believe rayne has the capability to nuke another player and is Town - then why not nuke Chezinu? 2.) I don't think he actually thought it through well enough or he really believed he could get away with it. Again, MZ was the one who called him out on this. Unless you have a problem with MZ's post, then I don't see why you are over thinking this. Notice that even after he claimed he wasn't under any pressure. So he could very well have been correct in thinking he was safe on it. 3.) I don't understand where this is going. If you are assuming that only Town players will act bold you are acting under a false premise. Here's my thing: Why is the DI/ON lynch not a major deal to you? That was a last minute wagon flip that resulted in a townie lynch. The guy who was going to be lynched got away with a scant post in his defense and disappeared. ON put up a defense and votes weren't moved off of him. You don't see a problem here? I agree with geript's reasoning that the DI wagon went too smoothly without disagreement (only geript opposed it until austinmcc finally made his case, and DI had like 10+ votes at that point?). That means DI is probably town. If that is true, then there's literally zero reason for scum rayn to change the lynch from town to town. Even if DI were scum, you have zero reason to pursue rayn until 1) DI has flipped red and 2) you explain why rayn is more scummy for that than me or austin who were more strongly pursuing ON. It's just senseless all around. 1) I do not believe rayn has the capacity to launch a nuke. In that case, he would have surely launched it at Chezinu regardless of his alignnment (even as scum it would be stupid to launch at someone else and then claim a bit later). 2) Scum do not act rashly or carelessly, they are careful and serious. This is everything but careful and very risky for little if any gain (as scum). See the point? 3) See above. Ok I'm going to put myself in your shoes. I definitely believe that sometimes if a wagon is going too smoothly unopposed, it may be a Town lynch. So there were definitely legit pro-town motives for stopping the wagon. However, there also exists scum motives for stopping it if DI is Scum. Of course we do not know what his alignment is so both happen to coincide. Here is my disagreement with "Di is probably Town": He told us he would be lurking at the start of the game and peaced out. Right before his lynch, he shows up to defend himself, people are easily convinced and we end up lynching ON. My problem here is that ON also posted a credible defense, but votes still piled on to him. Look at the voting lists for DI vs ON. Lots of those people never even voted for DI. If DI is Scum and his buddies held off long enough then when they appear to vote ON they don't look bad for not vote switching on to an innocent lynch. They just happened to be convinced by austin's case and voted. Now back to this: if you believe that rayne is scum and DI is town then why wouldn't he help change the vote? If that is thread sentiment he still appears to be Town. If neither of his scum buddies are up for vote then why does it matter? I think you have this notion that all scum play the same way and that assumption is making you think rayne must be Town. For the last time, since I've answered this so much: I pursued rayne because of MZ's post. I'm not going to throw suspicion on several people, especially at night. That accomplishes nothing. Also stop assuming I don't have suspicions anywhere else. 1.) If you do not believe rayne has the capacity to launch nukes then what do you think of MZ's post? You must be believing rayne had this gambit setup well ahead of time then correct? If he is Scum and Chez is scum then he isn't going to launch no matter what. He could have easily felt no one would go back and read early day 1. No one except MZ went back to do so. He is rightly justified in making that play then. 2.) That is a false assumption. I don't think you can even get half the forum to agree with you on that. You are flat out wrong. I don't believe for a second that this "big play" was rayn's backup plan. There's no way he thought the claim was going to be a resounding success in the first place (too many contradictions), and even if he basically planned on getting towncred with this "big play" later on as scum... No, that's just too convoluted, risky and unnecessary. I'm 99% sure of that. The remaining 1% is wild WIFOM. DI's lackluster defense had nothing to do with him being saved. Neither did ON's lackluster defense do anything for him, in fact it made me more suspicious. It was all because of austin's case and all the townish people (me, rayn etc.) agreeing with it. You're just wrong again. I'm not saying that all scum everywhere are careful or that scum would never unnecessarily involve themselves in major happenings. Anything is possible. But it's way more likely for town to be careless and involved in risky business than for scum to do something similar. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 14:00 GMT
#1697
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July 09 2013 14:07 GMT
#1700
On July 09 2013 22:44 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 22:11 Xatalos wrote: 1) I do not believe rayn has the capacity to launch a nuke. In that case, he would have surely launched it at Chezinu regardless of his alignnment (even as scum it would be stupid to launch at someone else and then claim a bit later). 2) Scum do not act rashly or carelessly, they are careful and serious. This is everything but careful and very risky for little if any gain (as scum). See the point? 3) See above. We just got out of PTP. I will refute point 2 quite simply. When I ##Mortal Combat Kitaman27 it was completely on whim. It felt like the right play at the time so I just did it. I knew that people wanted him out of the way. I knew that he wasn't scum. I knew that I was catching flak for not voting for austin at the end of day 1 when I had the runs something fierce and just voted on who I thought would be the next target down the line. Was it rash? Yes. Was it well thought out? No. Had I thought about it, I would've likely kept it on hand for later use. Only by sheer unmitigated luck did that shot end up being highly useful as his extra KP was exceptionally important that game. So yes, Scum do thinks rashly and carelessly too. I didn't say that scum never act carelessly. That's just one example from a game where the scumteam was overall very careful and not involved in noticeable incidents (except the Mortal Kombat and austin at endgame, but then he had already scumclaimed). And I have never been rash as scum, nor anyone in my teams (maybe excluding Acro's fakeclaim in GoT or jaybrundage's shenanigans in Dessert Mini). Point is, it's not common compared to townish rashness. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 14:08 GMT
#1701
On July 09 2013 23:03 geript wrote: LOL. I never get KP either Even when I'm scum. How is that possible? :O | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 14:24 GMT
#1710
On July 09 2013 23:19 Ace wrote: I am using Occam's razor here. If rayne was Town and he fake claimed the nuke, how would he know the nuke was fired by Scum? If not being counter claimed = the nuke is from scum, then it doesn't explain how a counter-claim = the nuke was from Town. Scum could easily just CC here also if that will get them Town cred. rayne would not have known the difference. Scum would never dare to counter-claim in that situation. I and many others thought of rayn as town, and one of them (rayn/claimer) would most likely be lynched/nuked. Considering that if the launcher is town, he has no reason to hide it, Occam's razor says that he is scum (since has a reason to hide it). | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 14:30 GMT
#1712
On July 09 2013 23:22 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 22:35 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 22:10 jampidampi wrote: On July 09 2013 22:06 Ace wrote: @jampidampi: Ok I'm going to go with your assumption. Here's my new thought process. Rayne does not have nukes. Period. His fake ##nuke Xalatos confirms this. stuff happens, rayne claims he launched the nuke on MZ. If rayne is Town why would he claim this? Rayne must assume that the nuke came from Scum. Hence his read on MZ being Town. MZ later flips out when he notices this contradiction. rayne says he was setting up a gambit to catch scum here. If this is the way you see it, then I must ask - how would he know the nuke came from scum? He has a post reasoning why the nuke is from scum: On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote: @rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Town is not going to willy nilly claim nukes on the first day. If we all claimed we could nuke how would that tell us who nuked MZ? We can't verify anything that quickly in the game and Scum may also have nukes. That explanation is not a strong argument at all. Also we have to be aware of a fallacy here. If MZ is Town and he was nuked, and no one claims we are assuming it came from Scum. It could come from a townie who did not want to fess up. It could have come from 3rd party who isn't claiming shit. We are assuming that not claiming = Scum motivation. rayne claims it at the end of the day, and thus should be considered Town for fessing up to a legit nuke that he came up with an explanation for ahead of time. If not, he was just setting up a gambit to catch scum. That is extremely convenient wouldn't you say so? On July 09 2013 22:11 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:55 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 21:43 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote: How is it wrong? Be objective here. There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town. MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from. I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch. Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Explain why: 1) scum rayn would stealth nuke Meapak (instead of his eternal enemy Chezinu), base his townread on Meapak (at least partly) on his own lie, then be happy to redirect the nuke to NG 2) reveal all this quite a bit later with absolutely zero reason to do that and put himself under pressure 3) gather reactions without caring for his own safety and then reveal this plan No matter how I look at it, I see no reason for scum rayn to do all this. 1.) why wouldn't he stealth nuke someone that is probably Town? durr? If he and Chezinu are scum buddies together then doesn't it make sense for him not to nuke him? If rayne's nukes can only be activated by stealth then this is moot as he would never even do so. If you honestly believe rayne has the capability to nuke another player and is Town - then why not nuke Chezinu? 2.) I don't think he actually thought it through well enough or he really believed he could get away with it. Again, MZ was the one who called him out on this. Unless you have a problem with MZ's post, then I don't see why you are over thinking this. Notice that even after he claimed he wasn't under any pressure. So he could very well have been correct in thinking he was safe on it. 3.) I don't understand where this is going. If you are assuming that only Town players will act bold you are acting under a false premise. Here's my thing: Why is the DI/ON lynch not a major deal to you? That was a last minute wagon flip that resulted in a townie lynch. The guy who was going to be lynched got away with a scant post in his defense and disappeared. ON put up a defense and votes weren't moved off of him. You don't see a problem here? I agree with geript's reasoning that the DI wagon went too smoothly without disagreement (only geript opposed it until austinmcc finally made his case, and DI had like 10+ votes at that point?). That means DI is probably town. If that is true, then there's literally zero reason for scum rayn to change the lynch from town to town. Even if DI were scum, you have zero reason to pursue rayn until 1) DI has flipped red and 2) you explain why rayn is more scummy for that than me or austin who were more strongly pursuing ON. It's just senseless all around. 1) I do not believe rayn has the capacity to launch a nuke. In that case, he would have surely launched it at Chezinu regardless of his alignnment (even as scum it would be stupid to launch at someone else and then claim a bit later). 2) Scum do not act rashly or carelessly, they are careful and serious. This is everything but careful and very risky for little if any gain (as scum). See the point? 3) See above. Ok I'm going to put myself in your shoes. I definitely believe that sometimes if a wagon is going too smoothly unopposed, it may be a Town lynch. So there were definitely legit pro-town motives for stopping the wagon. However, there also exists scum motives for stopping it if DI is Scum. Of course we do not know what his alignment is so both happen to coincide. Here is my disagreement with "Di is probably Town": He told us he would be lurking at the start of the game and peaced out. Right before his lynch, he shows up to defend himself, people are easily convinced and we end up lynching ON. My problem here is that ON also posted a credible defense, but votes still piled on to him. Look at the voting lists for DI vs ON. Lots of those people never even voted for DI. If DI is Scum and his buddies held off long enough then when they appear to vote ON they don't look bad for not vote switching on to an innocent lynch. They just happened to be convinced by austin's case and voted. Now back to this: if you believe that rayne is scum and DI is town then why wouldn't he help change the vote? If that is thread sentiment he still appears to be Town. If neither of his scum buddies are up for vote then why does it matter? I think you have this notion that all scum play the same way and that assumption is making you think rayne must be Town. For the last time, since I've answered this so much: I pursued rayne because of MZ's post. I'm not going to throw suspicion on several people, especially at night. That accomplishes nothing. Also stop assuming I don't have suspicions anywhere else. 1.) If you do not believe rayne has the capacity to launch nukes then what do you think of MZ's post? You must be believing rayne had this gambit setup well ahead of time then correct? If he is Scum and Chez is scum then he isn't going to launch no matter what. He could have easily felt no one would go back and read early day 1. No one except MZ went back to do so. He is rightly justified in making that play then. 2.) That is a false assumption. I don't think you can even get half the forum to agree with you on that. You are flat out wrong. 1) haters gonna hate 2) lining up them mislynches Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 22:56 Ace wrote: Dandel. I'm not sure about my other scum reads yet, and I'd rather take care off this business first. 3) let's tunnel dandel instead of doing anything else because it's so much easier 4) haters gonna hate Your opinion on rayn/Ace? | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 14:31 GMT
#1713
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 20:19 GMT
#1768
On July 10 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, here we go: This is the situation: N1 just started. We mislynched OriginalName. Chezinu launched a nuke on Xatalos, Oatsmaster defended that nuke. A silent nuke was launched towards Meapak. WoS redirected the nuke to NG. Chezinu has claimed his nuke was harmless. Before that Johnnywup claimed that he thinks he has a similar role to Chezinu and had to nuke. He nuked TanGeng. Everybody hit by a nuke died and flipped town. We are 3 townies down. Bad. This means everyone in town is pretty clueless or mafia has the control of the game. These are my thoughts (mainly on the silent nuke - which we know was harmful); Meapak is probably town and the silent nuker is mafia. A townie has no reason to not announce he nuked someone in thread, even if the nuke is silent. If they do not announce it, they are withholding information from the town, information that mafia already has (as they did not launch the nuke in that case). So the silent nuker is mafia, there is no other explanation. WoS is probably town for redirecting the nuke to a scummy guy (NG). As the nuke is from mafia, there is one thing that concerns me. What if Meapak & WoS are both mafia and they made a powerplay with a nuke to "confirm" them. I want to know if that's the case. This is my plan: I claim that i nuked Meapak to throw mafia off their game. Seriously, think about it. You are mafia and some townie claims a nuke you have launched. Would it throw you off? You need to comment on the matter somehow, as by reading my filter there is an obvious lie, just that you know EXACTLY where the lie is (in "i nuked MZ"). Mafia gets confused. As from townies however, i expect four sorts of behaviour: 1) Straight out calling me the stupidest player ever. 2) Analyzing the situation from mafia/town perspective and reach into a conclusion (why would i claim i nuked MZ as either alignment, especially as mafia). 3) Point out the obvious contradiction in my posts and question me about it. 4) Can't understand anything that's going on with me, question me or go back to 1) Who did (1): Meapak and WoS. This is perfectly understandable because they were involved in this particular business from the beginning. I can understand their thought process, insta "wtf is this, this is the stupidest idiot ever". Who did (2): Oats. Oats realized there is no way i would have claimed that nuke as mafia. It makes no sense. As mafia i would not benefit about it at all. Who did (3): Alaskaslam. He did ask the right question when he looked at the situation. This is the correct post to dig up: + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 10:34 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 08 2013 09:02 Ace wrote: On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote: @rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Setup is closed and we don't know what role mechanics exist. Claiming nukes this early with little information is pointless. Also, if Scum know who holds nukes that may lead to them NKing Town with KP if they have nukes themselves. This is something i wanted to comment on earlier but forgot. Ace i think you are misunderstanding me; I was trying to say if you are town and launch a nuke you should claim it even if the nuke is silent. This way we know that every nuke not claimed in thread when launched is from mafia (that seems to be the case with the nuke on MZ). Then you didn't claim it until now. So Lying and foolishly so, but I haven't had to play scum ever so idunno, I bet it gets hard. Seeing as I suck this bad at town, I would probably be a day1 red flip come a scum game. But wow I have never seen such a resounding call, well done Mepak_Ziph, you deserve our ears. That's spot on. Why did i not follow my own advice in claiming nukes? Who did (4): Afaik noone. Now about people who are scum and why: What i was looking was behaviour that does not fall into any category i described before. Think about this from mafia pov. You don't know what i am up to. I have obviously fakeclaimed to shot a nuke. I am asking you questions. What am i after? I obviously have some sort of a plan, what do you need to answer? Another behaviour is to straight up say "lol you can't possibly have launched that nuke". Austin: Look at pages 71 -> where i claim. What does Austin do? Avoids the whole claiming thing!! He is happy to ask me about anything else and happy to answer questions about anything else but no, he does not talk aboutthe obvious contradiction in my behaviour. I even try to prod him into discussing it by saying "Are you even reading the thread?", but no, he won't. The obvious answer is that he is uncomfortable talking about something he knows more than he should and he knows i know more than what's been said in thread. I can't find any reason why you would not try to figure out why someone is lying as town. Look at Austin now. NOW he's ready to talk about my motives. rofl. Ace: What Ace does after PC. Calls me scum. Why? Because "i was instrumental in turning the DI lynch around." Yeah, me and only me. Not Austin (who made a case) or any other guy like geript/Xatalos etc etc. But me, who has earlier said "Dandel is town and ON is mafia". Makes sense right? Ace does not account my lie, at all. FUCK I DIRECTED THE POST EARLIER TO HIM. The post where i say "Everyone who is town and nukes should claim their nuke instantly". Ace is not bringing this up, but he is bringing up OTHER stuff why i am scum. If he was town that would be an obvious point to bring up, as i have lied. But as Ace is scum he does not know what i am after, therefore he stays silent and let's someone else bring that up so he can add that to my scumminess-list later. And how does he do that. By saying "Meapak caught rayn in a lie and now he is trying to cover it up". rofl. I already talked about how ridiculous that is in thread. If i was scum there would be no lie, as there is absolutely zero reason to claim the nuke as scum!! Ace usually thinks these things true from every perspective, questions the other person about their motives and makes a decision. What about here? A half-arsed case that does not hold water at any point. Take a look at Ace's filter and you can see how he is just trying to find reasons why i am scum and not trying to figure out if i am scum or not. Ace is mafia. Jampidampi: Jampidampi was the first one to bring up that i fakeclaimed the nuke. His thought process seemed fine until he said "rayn can't have launched that nuke because he nuked Xatalos earlier and that nuke did not fly." Silent nuke is silent nuke and probably launched via PM's, that has nothing to do with ##nuke: commands in thread. That's where his thought process falls apart. I think he is too informed about the situation and is trying to make good posts aboutthe situation. Maju: He asks me a random question about launching a nuke on MZ, then goes back to WoS. Definitely not interested in what happened there. That are all people who stood out for me last night and this morning. If you want to look closer into this, look at people who did not want to talk about the claim at all, and why. I agree - except about jampidampi. 1) It's not scummy to make a simple mistake like that (what would be the scum motive for that?) 2) His posts about your claim seemed to make sense otherwise 3) I looked through his filter earlier today and didn't find him scummy in any way, so I find him relatively townish for reasons outside of this incident The one worrying thing about him is his excessive focus on your claim. It would indeed be an easy topic for scum to appear active and contributive (without actually scumhunting). Probably worth it to keep an eye on him, but definitely not to lynch him (at least at this point). | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 20:20 GMT
#1769
On July 10 2013 05:13 Dandel Ion wrote: Sorry guys I'm currently busy in the name of justice. Get your lazy self together and start playing. The D1 voting behaviour won't keep you out of the fire forever (you might even be nuked at the start of D1 at this rate). | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 20:22 GMT
#1770
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 20:24 GMT
#1774
On July 10 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2013 05:22 Xatalos wrote: I think someone quoted a post from Dandel Ion at a ScumQT thread... Something like this: "I have no motivation to play as scum. Just bus me. I will be lynched, it's inevitable." That's what your attitude is emanating right now. yeah i might've said that (or something close to it anyways). So you admit to being scum? Or? | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 20:25 GMT
#1777
On July 10 2013 05:23 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Can we chat about 3)? On July 10 2013 05:19 Xatalos wrote: I agree - except about jampidampi. 1) It's not scummy to make a simple mistake like that (what would be the scum motive for that?) 2) His posts about your claim seemed to make sense otherwise 3) I looked through his filter earlier today and didn't find him scummy in any way, so I find him relatively townish for reasons outside of this incident The one worrying thing about him is his excessive focus on your claim. It would indeed be an easy topic for scum to appear active and contributive (without actually scumhunting). Probably worth it to keep an eye on him, but definitely not to lynch him (at least at this point). I'm interested in your finding his filter townie and why dat be, or whether you have other "reasons outside of this incident." To me, his filter IS dominated by excessive focus on the claim, and so overall I don't love the filter. Is there something in particular during the early posts that pops out to you as town? Or just his general posting on rayn. 3 is referring to before this rayn incident. Maybe I should look at it again. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 20:29 GMT
#1780
On July 10 2013 05:24 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2013 05:24 Xatalos wrote: On July 10 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote: On July 10 2013 05:22 Xatalos wrote: I think someone quoted a post from Dandel Ion at a ScumQT thread... Something like this: "I have no motivation to play as scum. Just bus me. I will be lynched, it's inevitable." That's what your attitude is emanating right now. yeah i might've said that (or something close to it anyways). So you admit to being scum? Or? No? I'm saying that I have probably said "something like this" in the past. But you admitted that you feel (or at least felt before - what about these days?) unmotivated as scum. Logical conclusion: You feel unmotivated as scum. You are usually active and involved as town. You've clearly felt unmotivated this game (the difference to PTP is crystal clear). -> You are probably scum. I think that's a reasonable deduction. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 20:32 GMT
#1782
On July 10 2013 05:31 austinmcc wrote: Don't feed the troll (he says, despite posting a response) Dandel Ion is nothing compared to Chezinu... | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 20:40 GMT
#1785
On July 10 2013 05:23 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + Can we chat about 3)? On July 10 2013 05:19 Xatalos wrote: I agree - except about jampidampi. 1) It's not scummy to make a simple mistake like that (what would be the scum motive for that?) 2) His posts about your claim seemed to make sense otherwise 3) I looked through his filter earlier today and didn't find him scummy in any way, so I find him relatively townish for reasons outside of this incident The one worrying thing about him is his excessive focus on your claim. It would indeed be an easy topic for scum to appear active and contributive (without actually scumhunting). Probably worth it to keep an eye on him, but definitely not to lynch him (at least at this point). I'm interested in your finding his filter townie and why dat be, or whether you have other "reasons outside of this incident." To me, his filter IS dominated by excessive focus on the claim, and so overall I don't love the filter. Is there something in particular during the early posts that pops out to you as town? Or just his general posting on rayn. Okay, maybe I overestimated jampidampi's townishness. Must be because I read it after reading through the filters of players like MajuGarzett, Abenson etc. damn scummy lurkers. Anything looks good compared to that. I'd put jampidampi as null rather than townish atm. His only actually noticeable contribution to the thread so far has been that analysis of rayn's claim, which is fine, but as his ONLY real contribution... not so much. Scum could do that just as easily as town. In fact, scum might prefer to do something like that instead of scumhunting. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 20:50 GMT
#1790
On July 10 2013 05:45 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2013 05:34 Alakaslam wrote: On July 10 2013 05:31 austinmcc wrote: Don't feed the troll (he says, despite posting a response) He is trying to bury important things, of course.... Dang everyone read pages 72-75, and then 87-90, at the least. Better to read 72-89, but that is a helluva lot. Onegu, just no. This is helpful. EBWOP. Cut out some unimportant for the time-pressed. Anyone have early page suggestions? [image blocked] Why not point out something interesting about those pages rather than spamming the page numbers? What you're doing helps nobody and achieves nothing. | ||
Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 09 2013 21:01 GMT
#1804
On July 10 2013 05:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2013 05:19 Xatalos wrote: On July 10 2013 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, here we go: This is the situation: N1 just started. We mislynched OriginalName. Chezinu launched a nuke on Xatalos, Oatsmaster defended that nuke. A silent nuke was launched towards Meapak. WoS redirected the nuke to NG. Chezinu has claimed his nuke was harmless. Before that Johnnywup claimed that he thinks he has a similar role to Chezinu and had to nuke. He nuked TanGeng. Everybody hit by a nuke died and flipped town. We are 3 townies down. Bad. This means everyone in town is pretty clueless or mafia has the control of the game. These are my thoughts (mainly on the silent nuke - which we know was harmful); Meapak is probably town and the silent nuker is mafia. A townie has no reason to not announce he nuked someone in thread, even if the nuke is silent. If they do not announce it, they are withholding information from the town, information that mafia already has (as they did not launch the nuke in that case). So the silent nuker is mafia, there is no other explanation. WoS is probably town for redirecting the nuke to a scummy guy (NG). As the nuke is from mafia, there is one thing that concerns me. What if Meapak & WoS are both mafia and they made a powerplay with a nuke to "confirm" them. I want to know if that's the case. This is my plan: I claim that i nuked Meapak to throw mafia off their game. Seriously, think about it. You are mafia and some townie claims a nuke you have launched. Would it throw you off? You need to comment on the matter somehow, as by reading my filter there is an obvious lie, just that you know EXACTLY where the lie is (in "i nuked MZ"). Mafia gets confused. As from townies however, i expect four sorts of behaviour: 1) Straight out calling me the stupidest player ever. 2) Analyzing the situation from mafia/town perspective and reach into a conclusion (why would i claim i nuked MZ as either alignment, especially as mafia). 3) Point out the obvious contradiction in my posts and question me about it. 4) Can't understand anything that's going on with me, question me or go back to 1) Who did (1): Meapak and WoS. This is perfectly understandable because they were involved in this particular business from the beginning. I can understand their thought process, insta "wtf is this, this is the stupidest idiot ever". Who did (2): Oats. Oats realized there is no way i would have claimed that nuke as mafia. It makes no sense. As mafia i would not benefit about it at all. Who did (3): Alaskaslam. He did ask the right question when he looked at the situation. This is the correct post to dig up: + Show Spoiler + On July 09 2013 10:34 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 08 2013 09:02 Ace wrote: On July 07 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote: @rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. Setup is closed and we don't know what role mechanics exist. Claiming nukes this early with little information is pointless. Also, if Scum know who holds nukes that may lead to them NKing Town with KP if they have nukes themselves. This is something i wanted to comment on earlier but forgot. Ace i think you are misunderstanding me; I was trying to say if you are town and launch a nuke you should claim it even if the nuke is silent. This way we know that every nuke not claimed in thread when launched is from mafia (that seems to be the case with the nuke on MZ). Then you didn't claim it until now. So Lying and foolishly so, but I haven't had to play scum ever so idunno, I bet it gets hard. Seeing as I suck this bad at town, I would probably be a day1 red flip come a scum game. But wow I have never seen such a resounding call, well done Mepak_Ziph, you deserve our ears. That's spot on. Why did i not follow my own advice in claiming nukes? Who did (4): Afaik noone. Now about people who are scum and why: What i was looking was behaviour that does not fall into any category i described before. Think about this from mafia pov. You don't know what i am up to. I have obviously fakeclaimed to shot a nuke. I am asking you questions. What am i after? I obviously have some sort of a plan, what do you need to answer? Another behaviour is to straight up say "lol you can't possibly have launched that nuke". Austin: Look at pages 71 -> where i claim. What does Austin do? Avoids the whole claiming thing!! He is happy to ask me about anything else and happy to answer questions about anything else but no, he does not talk aboutthe obvious contradiction in my behaviour. I even try to prod him into discussing it by saying "Are you even reading the thread?", but no, he won't. The obvious answer is that he is uncomfortable talking about something he knows more than he should and he knows i know more than what's been said in thread. I can't find any reason why you would not try to figure out why someone is lying as town. Look at Austin now. NOW he's ready to talk about my motives. rofl. Ace: What Ace does after PC. Calls me scum. Why? Because "i was instrumental in turning the DI lynch around." Yeah, me and only me. Not Austin (who made a case) or any other guy like geript/Xatalos etc etc. But me, who has earlier said "Dandel is town and ON is mafia". Makes sense right? Ace does not account my lie, at all. FUCK I DIRECTED THE POST EARLIER TO HIM. The post where i say "Everyone who is town and nukes should claim their nuke instantly". Ace is not bringing this up, but he is bringing up OTHER stuff why i am scum. If he was town that would be an obvious point to bring up, as i have lied. But as Ace is scum he does not know what i am after, therefore he stays silent and let's someone else bring that up so he can add that to my scumminess-list later. And how does he do that. By saying "Meapak caught rayn in a lie and now he is trying to cover it up". rofl. I already talked about how ridiculous that is in thread. If i was scum there would be no lie, as there is absolutely zero reason to claim the nuke as scum!! Ace usually thinks these things true from every perspective, questions the other person about their motives and makes a decision. What about here? A half-arsed case that does not hold water at any point. Take a look at Ace's filter and you can see how he is just trying to find reasons why i am scum and not trying to figure out if i am scum or not. Ace is mafia. Jampidampi: Jampidampi was the first one to bring up that i fakeclaimed the nuke. His thought process seemed fine until he said "rayn can't have launched that nuke because he nuked Xatalos earlier and that nuke did not fly." Silent nuke is silent nuke and probably launched via PM's, that has nothing to do with ##nuke: commands in thread. That's where his thought process falls apart. I think he is too informed about the situation and is trying to make good posts aboutthe situation. Maju: He asks me a random question about launching a nuke on MZ, then goes back to WoS. Definitely not interested in what happened there. That are all people who stood out for me last night and this morning. If you want to look closer into this, look at people who did not want to talk about the claim at all, and why. I agree - except about jampidampi. 1) It's not scummy to make a simple mistake like that (what would be the scum motive for that?) 2) His posts about your claim seemed to make sense otherwise 3) I looked through his filter earlier today and didn't find him scummy in any way, so I find him relatively townish for reasons outside of this incident The one worrying thing about him is his excessive focus on your claim. It would indeed be an easy topic for scum to appear active and contributive (without actually scumhunting). Probably worth it to keep an eye on him, but definitely not to lynch him (at least at this point). This is what bothers me about Jampidampi. This post and analysis is good imo: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 20:45 jampidampi wrote: Was writing analysis about why Rayn could have possibly claimed the nuke, but since he has admitted that it was some sort of big play that he will explain later, I'm just going to stop right now and post what I had written spoilered below. If he doesn't explain, lynch him. + Show Spoiler + Possible scenarios in which rayn claims the nuke: 1) Rayn is town, actually lauched the nuke, and thinks WoS and Meapak are scum with WoS saving Meapak See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 2) Rayn is town and claimed a nuke he didn't launch Some sort of trick to catch scum? For that to be true he must have though that scum launched the nuke. Because if he though town lauched it, he would just get counterclaimed and then be in a shitty situation. 3) Rayn is scum, launched the nuke and claimed it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS See my earlier why I think he didn't launch the nuke. 4) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke his scumbuddy lauched to put heat onto Meapak and WoS Only possible if
5) Rayn is scum and claimed a nuke not lauched by his scumbuddy Rayn concludes that since nobody has claimed the nuke, someone must have a reason for not claiming it, be it that they are 3rd party or maybe that they have multiple nukes, and therefore would not counterclaim him. He claims it to put heat onto Meapak and WoS. 6) Rayn is 3rd party Since we don't a possible 3rd partys wincon, I won't speculate on this so much. If he is a 3rd party, the claim is most likely for survival, as not looking so townie makes scum less likely to shoot at you. Other than that, maybe his wincon is related to Meapak dying? It's just too much speculation to think of it this way. The only options that actually make sense are 2, 5 and 6. But then: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 21:58 jampidampi wrote: On July 09 2013 21:48 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 21:38 jampidampi wrote: On July 09 2013 21:29 Ace wrote: On July 09 2013 21:25 Xatalos wrote: On July 09 2013 21:19 Ace wrote: How is it wrong? Be objective here. There was a concerted effort to turn around the DI lynch. austincc posts a case on ON. Immediately a band wagon forms. DI defends himself and disappears from the thread. ON defends himself, role claims, and still gets lynched. There are no votes moving off of ON at this time. He flips Town. MZ figures that rayne must be lying after rayne claims to have nuked him. This is where the doubt on rayne comes from. I show up and I'm already looking at how the lynch played out. I already note how its going down. I get to MZ's post about rayne, who was instrumental to turning around the DI lynch. Why would I call out anyone else but rayne? Logically, think about this. I think you seriously are lost because if you can't tell what my opinion on rayne is right now this is pointless. So you believe rayn is lying about his "big play"? Do you mean he's scum and launched the nuke after all? If you believe him on that point (which seems a pretty obvious thing to do IMO), you have no other decent reason to continue. He was just one of many who helped changing the lynch around, and unless DI flips red, it doesn't even prove anything at all. Yes. I believe rayne is scum not only for nuking MZ, but the DI lynch. I'm taking them both together. When geript asked me earlier about why I didn't include him as a suspect this was the same reasoning. Don't think I'm ignoring the entire wagon, I'm just only speaking on rayne right now because it makes no sense to put suspicion on everyone. It won't accomplish anything right now. Can you then point out what makes you think Rayn nuked? I wrote a big post explaining why I think Rayn didn't nuke, what makes my analysis wrong? I think he nuked because I dont think he is dumb enough to nuke MZ just like that as Town. MZ was the one who called him out for lying and I don't think he expected that to happen. All of a sudden it is some big plan he had all along? regarding your post, I don't think he would have launched a nuke at Xata. He had no good reason for doing so. The first person he really went hard on was Chezinu, which would have made the most sense to nuke. Not sending a nuke at the guy he is calling for to be nuked makes no sense here. If he is fake claiming the nuke on MZ it does not add up. It still does not explain why he would just not have nuked Chezinu, and why he would even own up to that nuke in the first place. We don't know who the nuke came from and once MZ caught him in a lie he was stuck. The first point is that if he had a nuke, that post would have lauched it. Forget about reasonings, look at Chez and johnny lauching their nukes. They type ##Nuke: [insert target here] and the nuke is lauched. If Rayn had a nuke, why wouldn't his post have lauched the nuke? Did you even read my post and think about it? If Rayn had a fucking nuke it would have been launched at Xata early D1! That is why couldn't have a nuke at Meapak! If this is really what Jampidampi think, wtf is the above post? It says nothing about Jampidampi thinking all nukes are launched bhy thread. There is a contradiction in his thought process which i would like him to explain. Hmm, I'm not sure about that one. The first post is about different possible (or impossible) scenarios - logic seasoned with WIFOM. The second post is more like a "bonus" argument for your claim being fake (although that argument was clearly flawed). Dunno why he mentioned it there and not before though - maybe he didn't think of it at first or saved it for a seperate post? Whatever, that doesn't look particularly scummy (or anyhow alignment-indicative) to me. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 21:06 GMT
#1806
On July 10 2013 05:54 Dandel Ion wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2013 05:29 Xatalos wrote: On July 10 2013 05:24 Dandel Ion wrote: On July 10 2013 05:24 Xatalos wrote: On July 10 2013 05:23 Dandel Ion wrote: On July 10 2013 05:22 Xatalos wrote: I think someone quoted a post from Dandel Ion at a ScumQT thread... Something like this: "I have no motivation to play as scum. Just bus me. I will be lynched, it's inevitable." That's what your attitude is emanating right now. yeah i might've said that (or something close to it anyways). So you admit to being scum? Or? No? I'm saying that I have probably said "something like this" in the past. But you admitted that you feel (or at least felt before - what about these days?) unmotivated as scum. Logical conclusion: You feel unmotivated as scum. You are usually active and involved as town. You've clearly felt unmotivated this game (the difference to PTP is crystal clear). -> You are probably scum. I think that's a reasonable deduction. I know it's "reasonable" but that doesn't make it correct. Then answer these: 1) Do you currently (in recent weeks/months) feel unmotivated to play as scum? If yes, why do you not like playing as scum? 2) Would you consider your current play unmotivated? If yes, is there some other considerable reason than being scum? 3) What explains the huge difference between your townish play in PTP and non-townish play in this game? | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 21:09 GMT
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July 09 2013 21:41 GMT
#1815
On July 10 2013 05:48 austinmcc wrote: Also, xat, as long as you're here, could you look at FirmTofu and VA? Vayne was black on your read list, but there's been a decent bit written about him lately. FirmTofu was town on your list of reads, but he was part of a group at lynch time that you were concerned with (Although you noted that you weren't concerned with him out of the people in the group). What in particular has you town on him? That list wasn't really a scumread list (I mean the earlier vote analysis list), more like a starting point for me (and why not others) to start searching for scum. I excluded Oatsmaster for using his anti-nuke to save me (unnecessary and a waste of great ability as scum) and FirmTofu for having a thread presence and participating (felt pretty townish at the time). VA could be scum. For example this post: On July 08 2013 02:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch. Given how easy the bandwagon was, I would look at the people defending him for absolutely zero reason if he flips town. Scum tryin' to get dat town cred. On the same token we can also analyze the people that are saying one thing and lynching john on the other once the flip occurs. If he flips scum, then there's not much to say. Rayn is probably town if he flips scum for being just about the only person to defend him. "If he flips town, then XXX and YYY and ZZZ. Oh almost forgot, if he flips scum, then CCC." Does he know that johnnywup is going to flip town while posting this...? (at the time johnnywup was the "main wagon") Also tons of useless lists/complaining/fluff. On July 09 2013 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote: dandel, gumshoe, ghost, onegu.... On July 10 2013 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote: I cant believe how long this rayn thing has gone on. If I didn't know better its just scum talking to each other and completely shutting down all discussion but that is not the correct answer. On July 07 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote: doesn't Z-boson just look like a name that's going to flip scum? He has also somewhat avoided attention (I didn't even read through his filter before) which isn't a good sign. But someone suggested that his town meta is "scummy", so he shouldn't maybe be the priority lynch. FirmTofu might actually be closer to null than town, but I didn't think his filter emanated scum at any point. There are also some good posts like this: On July 08 2013 17:38 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 08 2013 11:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Ok interesting. So apparently chezinu is saying his role gives him like a hot potato nuke that keeps bouncing around that you have to send at some one else? That's a pretty interesting mechanic and I really doubt he is scum now after giving us some content. People should consolidate on Dandel or Onegu if they dont like my johnny lynch. Holy banana-butthole, did anyone catch this? Why would Vayne... 1) ...automatically believe Chez when Chez explains what his role is. 2) ...confirm Chez as a town-read because Chez explained his role mechanics. 3) ...consider an "interesting mechanic" to be "content" We need to lynch this guy ASAP. Overall: low priority to keep watching over, but not in my r/circlejerk. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 21:52 GMT
#1818
Dandel Ion Ghost_403 (hardcore lurker, kill with fire please) Oatsmaster Stutters695 (hardcore lurker, kill with fire please) Z-BosoN Abenson Meapak_Ziphh Ace MajuGarzett Johnnywup Onegu Geript VayneAuthority Strongandbig Gumshoe CaucasianAsian Alakasam WaveofShadow jampidampi raynpelikoneet FirmTofu Chezinu Nuke/lynch into those in RED (why not the hardcore lurkers as well - that's fine with me). Do NOT nuke/lynch into those in GREEN (unless they do something incrimating tomorrow). Keep a close watch and pressure the remaining players (half of the scumteam is probably among those players after all). | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 21:58 GMT
#1823
On July 10 2013 06:54 austinmcc wrote: Bad list, no me on it. Boooooooooo Wtf, dunno what happened. Your filter is pretty much a big conflict. Sometimes you're really disinterested and vague (D1, rayn's claim) and sometimes you seem to make sense. Maybe slightly leaning scum, hard to say atm. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 21:59 GMT
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July 09 2013 22:08 GMT
#1831
I'm really surprised by rayn though since he was getting a lot of flak tonight. And especially that I live still. Well, it's a relief I guess. | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 22:11 GMT
#1836
On July 10 2013 07:09 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2013 07:08 Xatalos wrote: Two kills? So scum got a Vigi or something? I dearly hope that one of those wasn't a town kill.... I'm really surprised by rayn though since he was getting a lot of flak tonight. And especially that I live still. Well, it's a relief I guess. He was pretty clearly town after all he did the first day. Since roulette I have become much better at understanding his motives. We just have to decide if these dudes were right with their conspiracy theory or if scum is just trying to throw us off Enter WIFOM.... Was rayn correct and was killed for it or was he wrong and killed to mislead us...... | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 22:14 GMT
#1842
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Xatalos
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July 09 2013 22:17 GMT
#1844
On July 10 2013 07:15 geript wrote: That's an odd set of kills. I'm not surprised by Meapak but I'm surprised by rayn (especially if most of Ace/austin/jampidampi/MajuGarzett are scum). | ||
Xatalos
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July 09 2013 22:18 GMT
#1846
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July 09 2013 22:22 GMT
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July 09 2013 22:29 GMT
#1854
If you feel the urge to nuke, I see zero sense in nuking someone other than Ace/austin/Abenson/MajuGarzett/DI/Stutters695/Ghost_403. Maybe jampidampi. DI might be okay just to save our time for someone we could actually pressure. Saving some nukes might be a good idea too. | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 07:40 GMT
#1891
On July 10 2013 09:30 FirmTofu wrote: Austin is currently null for me. He makes a few posts that are scummy as hell, but he also makes an equal amount of posts that make me think he is town. Ex of scummy thing he did: As soon as the votes started piling on the ON wagon that he started, he started backing off his lynch. I would like to think that a townie in his position would have pushe his best scum read no matter what. Ex of a townie thing he did: he started questioning people about their thoughts on me. Honestly, all town members should have been doing this on Night 1. My play was very scummy considering I jumped on the ON wagon before it was a sure thing and I jumped off after it became obvious that it would go through. ON flipping town implicates me heavily and Austin pursuing this makes me believe he is town. This post resonates heavily with my line of thinking. I didn't like austin hesitating and subtly retreating from his OWN wagon, at all. Seems more like a scum afraid of the flip than a townie going fearlessly with his reads. Then again, austin has been pretty active lately (N1) and been open with his reads. But one thing that felt definitely wrong during N1 was his utter lack of interest in rayn's claim. "Other people talked about it, so I didn't need to." It's hard to imagine town austin saying something like that. In any case, I feel better about FirmTofu being town now. This post strengthened my stance of already leaning on town earlier. | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 07:43 GMT
#1892
On July 10 2013 11:44 CaucasianAsian wrote: Ok, where we are standing: + Show Spoiler + Signup list: 1. Dandel Ion 2. Ghost_403 3. Oatsmaster 4. Stutters695 5. Z-BosoN 6. Abenson 8. Ace 9. MajuGarzett 10. Johnnywup 11. Onegu 12. Geript 13. VayneAuthority 14. Strongandbig 15. Gumshoe 18. Xatalos 19. CaucasianAsian 20. Alakasam 21. WaveofShadow 22. jampidampi 25. FirmTofu 26. Chezinu 27. austinmcc Good morning. a bit surprised on the scum kills, but ok. Why are you surprised? Do you have some new conclusion to make of the kills? | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 07:54 GMT
#1893
On July 10 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I have to do one of two things this game: Either superdive Geript and find out if he's scum or town once and for all, or completely ignore him. Anyway, we lynch DI up until the point he's modkilled or some shit. Will have the chance to do some more reading in a bit to find out who our next target should be. Something strikes me as off with Xatalos---it may have been the way he was super insane-o quick to believe Rayn without doubting anything he said but I want to be sure before laying down any suspicion. It's probably fairly prudent to mention that it's entirely possible that the NKs were submitted on the basis of this being an extremely lurky scumteam. I think someone else mentioned 'everyone talking now is likely town' (though I forget when it was said offhand) and I remember it resonating with my thoughts. If you suspect me or geript (both pretty strong general townreads I think), you should go read our filters and back up your suspicions with something instead of throwing random suspicions like that. You remind me a bit of Gonzaw and his conspiracy theories in PTP (all wrong of course). If you don't find something worth pursuing, I suggest you start focusing on more pressing matters (pretty much half of the players are under some level of suspicion right now). | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 08:03 GMT
#1894
On July 10 2013 07:50 Ace wrote: Get your vote off of me Xata. I was wrong about rayne being scum, but still right that his reasoning was flawed. His role confirms that he was lying about the nuke. But we're passed that now. First order of business is Dandel. Above all else we're getting rid of him today. ##vote Dandel Ion You seem the most likely scum based on how N1 went. So, definitely you over DI (he might well be scum, but also feels like an easy lynchbait). It feels a bit weird that you would shoot rayn after piling all that suspicion on him, but it's hard to say what motivated scum to kill him at this point. austinmcc, you asked a lot of reads from me yesterday. But what's YOUR read on Ace? What are your top scumreads? Willing to hear anyone else's opinion of Ace as well. If someone brings up a good point for not lynching him, I'll consider it. | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 08:07 GMT
#1895
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July 10 2013 08:10 GMT
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Xatalos
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July 10 2013 09:10 GMT
#1898
On July 10 2013 17:32 johnnywup wrote: I'm nearly sure chezinu is town, xatalos, despite him being..himself I guess? A few of his posts have included references to North Korea. Combined with the fact that he had an unstable nuke, he has a role almost identical to mine. My role is also North Korea themed with an unstable nuke. I am town. I think it's a logical step to say that two nearly identical roles (the only thing being changed is how long the timer is until the nuke blows) are of the same alignment. It's likely he is Kim Jong il, as I am Kim Jong un. Why the hosts thought North Korea was on the townie side of things is beyond me, however. I'd be careful to base reads on role flavor (or mechanics). Do you have some other reason for believing him to be town? | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 11:16 GMT
#1902
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Xatalos
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July 10 2013 11:19 GMT
#1903
On July 10 2013 20:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I am Abenson 2.0! Jesus this thread is long, I'll do my best to catch up. Time to make up for what happened to me in PTP Have you followed the game at all before this? Scumreads, new angles on previous events? | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 11:28 GMT
#1906
On July 10 2013 20:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Show nested quote + On July 10 2013 20:19 Xatalos wrote: On July 10 2013 20:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I am Abenson 2.0! Jesus this thread is long, I'll do my best to catch up. Time to make up for what happened to me in PTP Have you followed the game at all before this? Scumreads, new angles on previous events? I did nothing at all before you PM'd me. I didn't PM you, Xfire did. And you gave him false info which lead to me being Day-Vigi'd. But whatever, that's in the past (and you didn't even do it on purpose or on gross negligence, so it was more like a combination of several people's fault). More importantly, have you read the thread at all yet? What do you think of Ace or austinmcc for example? | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 11:31 GMT
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July 10 2013 13:43 GMT
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Xatalos
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July 10 2013 19:34 GMT
#1965
If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons: 1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way 2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further. ##Unvote austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town. The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job). Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim. ##Vote MajuGarzett | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 22:03 GMT
#1971
On July 11 2013 04:38 austinmcc wrote: Xatalos, what are your thoughts on the exchange between Oats and I, specifically the Oats end of things? Hmm. I have a hard time accepting that Oatsmaster would be scum (saved me unnecessarily D1) and you town (with you doing nothing D1, then launching the lynch on ON and immediately starting to back off from it, then almost completely ignoring rayn's fakeclaim... yeah, the list goes on). With that said, that exchange looked like you were figuring out stuff while Oatsmaster was just... being pretty defensive and posting one-liners (and his stance on DI felt a bit confusing). If I had to look at just that single exchange, without looking at anything else, I'd say that you were town and Oatsmaster scum. Maybe town&town, that's possible. Probably not scum&scum though, unless it was some carefully crafted strategy to put distance between two scum (unlikely). But with THAT said, I don't have to look at just that single exchange, and maybe Oatsmaster had a bad day and you were putting in a lot of effort to look town. I find it especially hard to believe that scum Oatsmaster would use his anti-nuke to save me D1. | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 22:04 GMT
#1972
On July 11 2013 04:46 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote: LOL goodbye Ace. I agree that this nuke doesn't make sense from scum, but why would a townie not claim it either? I think the chances of it coming from 3P are 50-100%, town 10-50% and scum 1-10%. 3P could have some weird win condition (or simply want to kill other players), so this nuke wouldn't be surprising in any way from 3P. Basically it's the best explanation with the least (if any) question marks (there was also some flavor of nuke-firing planar dragons in the rules so this could be it). If someone has an anti-nuke/redirect available now, do NOT use it! Here are the main reasons: 1) at the end of D1 Ace focused on talking about policy (no-lynching if there was no single popular candidate - most anti-town policy so far) and asking questions unrelated to the lynch candidates, fluff, voted DI without any reasoning and overall didn't seem to care about the lynch in any meaningful way 2) rayn "admits" launching the nuke at Meapak (Ace should have, as a veteran town player, soon or at least later on understood that it wasn't a real claim) - but rather Ace starts flinging suspicion at him instantly, focusing on the DI -> ON switch mostly for some odd reason, although rayn was behind me and austin in influencing that, and Ace never admits what most (everyone?) else assumed - it was a plan to catch scum, not a scum plan to gain negative towncred - just can't believe town Ace would play like this But now Ace is dead anyways, so no need to pursue that further. ##Unvote austinmcc is posting a lot lately and making some sense. Leaning scum on him still, but there's a reasonable risk of too hastily lynching him and losing a strong endgame townie (he seems to be improving his posting with time and I agree with several of his later posts). I think it might be better to give him some more time. If he succeeds in redeeming himself after the abysmal D1 and suspicious reaction to rayn's claim, it'll have to be something truly epic and pro-town. The case on DI (XigXag) is basically that he's been inactive, which points to his unmotivated scum meta. It's a good argument, although a bit lacking as the ONLY argument. I want to give XigXag a chance to redeem his predecessor first (not an easy job). Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim. ##Vote MajuGarzett You maths don't work...scum! Enlighten me with your math skills. | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 22:14 GMT
#1973
On July 11 2013 05:41 MajuGarzett wrote: Show nested quote + On July 11 2013 04:34 Xatalos wrote: Currently I'd most like to lynch MajuGarzett. He's clearly been online at various points, but has chosen to post fluff and a couple of reads here and there without actually being involved in the thread or scumhunting. Also noteworthy is the same suspicious reaction as austinmcc (a vague show of interest and then ignoring it) to rayn's claim. ##Vote MajuGarzett While not all my posts have reads in them, I don't think its fair to call them fluff. At the very least I was trying to gain more information with which to make decisions by pressuring other players. On the reaction to Rayn, I was in the thread and expressed interest, then I left and by the time I was back all the talk about Rayn's motives had happened and after reading it I wasn't suspicious of him. Show nested quote + On July 11 2013 01:24 VayneAuthority wrote: oh and maju I am pretty sure is scum after reading his filter, doesn't form any original reads, doesn't give reasons for why people are town, scummy response to the rayn thing etc. it's pretty bad. Of the 4 people rayn set out this is the only one I feel comfortable sheeping. Dandel or maju today for me, gonna start a wagon on maju and see what happens ##vote: majugarzett VA says I never formed new reads but I think I was one of the first to talk about being suspicious of VA. I know I was suspicious of him before Firm Tofu brought it up. I also think my points against Onegu were novel. I would like clarification on how I was scummy on the Rayn thing unless its for the same reasdons that Xata stated. I'm willing to give DI's replacement some time. As there were others who suspected VA and none on Onegu ##Vote: VayneAuthority VA isn't looking too good either, and I'm pretty sure you two aren't scum together, so it might be best to lynch one of you two today (another's red flip would somewhat clear the remaining one). Currently leaning on you, but you can try to convince me otherwise. Maybe you were genuinely AFK after making that brief comment on rayn's claim, maybe you weren't. It looks pretty weird to have ONE sentence on the whole big issue (that didn't even express your opinion in any direction... why?). My gut feeling tells me that you, as scum, could have been confused by the claim (since it was launched by your team) and avoided the whole weird situation by commenting briefly (and vaguely) and leaving until it was resolved. That at least feels like the most natural explanation. | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 22:52 GMT
#1981
On July 11 2013 07:18 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + I will mostly agree with this if I didn't have my role PM. Some thoughts:On July 11 2013 07:03 Xatalos wrote: On July 11 2013 04:38 austinmcc wrote: Xatalos, what are your thoughts on the exchange between Oats and I, specifically the Oats end of things? Hmm. I have a hard time accepting that Oatsmaster would be scum (saved me unnecessarily D1) and you town (with you doing nothing D1, then launching the lynch on ON and immediately starting to back off from it, then almost completely ignoring rayn's fakeclaim... yeah, the list goes on). With that said, that exchange looked like you were figuring out stuff while Oatsmaster was just... being pretty defensive and posting one-liners (and his stance on DI felt a bit confusing). If I had to look at just that single exchange, without looking at anything else, I'd say that you were town and Oatsmaster scum. Maybe town&town, that's possible. Probably not scum&scum though, unless it was some carefully crafted strategy to put distance between two scum (unlikely). But with THAT said, I don't have to look at just that single exchange, and maybe Oatsmaster had a bad day and you were putting in a lot of effort to look town. I find it especially hard to believe that scum Oatsmaster would use his anti-nuke to save me D1.
Another way to look at it is...you're mafia and you have a one-shot save from a nuke, but you have to post in thread to activate it. Do you use it on a buddy or on town? Well, I guess that makes sense. It'd be pretty risky (maybe practically impossible) to save a scumbuddy with that. Even at LYLO it might out you (AND your scumbuddy), losing the game. So it's not unimaginable for scum Oatsmaster to save me with it and bank some nice towncred early on to avoid attention. Now that I think about it, if I was scum and in Oatsmaster's situation, I would very possibly use it on a townie to gain easy towncred. Of course if there was an active and somewhat townish scum player, that might be an OK target as well... Although it might backfire heavily if one of you two flipped at any point. Yeah, it's definitely safer to use it on townie. Especially if there is nobody even semi-townish in the scumteam, it would basically be suicide to save any of your scumbuddies, and saving even just a *semi*-townish player would cast doubt on you. On the other hand, it would also make sense to save it for endgame - maybe there's a situation where you have 2 scum (Oatsmaster + semi-townish scum) and 3 townies (all null or semi-townish), then you could acceptably save your scumbuddy from a nuke. So I wouldn't completely negate the town points his anti-nuke gave him, but it seems logical to reduce them a bit after thinking about his *realistic* options. | ||
Xatalos
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July 10 2013 22:54 GMT
#1982
On July 11 2013 07:46 Ace wrote: Xatalos you're kinda hasty with the judgement. You shot that nuke didn't you? LOL no. Unless you forgot - I already roleclaimed during D1. Are you accusing me of fakeclaiming? What would I possibly have gained from that? | ||
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July 10 2013 22:56 GMT
#1983
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July 11 2013 07:57 GMT
#2139
On July 11 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote: I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.) Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff). | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 08:19 GMT
#2146
Jampidampi is okay. XigXag already got nuked. VA is okay as well (Ace can shoot MajuGarzett unless MajuGarzett's nuke is pro-town enough for now). Sorry gotta go but more later. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 08:23 GMT
#2149
On July 11 2013 17:18 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 11 2013 15:25 MajuGarzett wrote: So 2 people want me to nuke jampi. I'm fine with doing that though I do want more input since some people posting haven't responded. I want to nuke VA. Please give opinions. I'm also okay with nuking any of the lurkers if that's what's wanted. I'll probably launch the nuke in 2 hours. Maju's nuke is impending. The two hour interval Maju gave is almost at hand. We need your opinion Xatalos. Who would you rather see nuked: jampidampi or VayneAuthority? Hard to say. Both null / slightly scummy. Why not both if Ace and MG have nukes? If had to choose, maybe jampidampi since VA and MG probably aren't scum together and MG is pretty scummy himself. Can't post more until later sorry. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 16:25 GMT
#2201
Ace casually accused me of lying and twisting facts here... On July 11 2013 08:16 Ace wrote: just yesterday you were willing to believe the nuke came from scum after rayne's lie, and now you conveniently believe it came from 3p? Also most everyone DID NOT assume rayne's plan was legit. Go back and read that day. You are stretching the truth of what actually happened. On July 11 2013 08:17 Ace wrote: wow another lie. I was focused on talking about policy? Really? Once again, go back and look at how we got into the no lynch thing. I NEVER said anything about no lynching. Look at who brought up that discussion when they questioned me. 1) The nuke on Meapak was clearly not pro-town. First of all, it was never claimed (town at least *should* have claimed). Secondly, it was not aimed at a lurker or lynch candidate. This all lead me to believe that it was coming from scum (or possibly an anti-town 3rd party, but more likely from scum, since they have more members and thus potentially more nukes). On the other hand, the nuke on you wasn't anti-town (you're scummy and thus useful for scum even if you're town) - but it was never claimed either (which town would have most likely done). This leads to the most logical explanation: it came from a 3rd party. If anyone sees a flaw in my logic, please point it out. 2) You're the one stretching truth here. I only said "most (everyone?)", not "most everyone". Obviously you weren't the only one, but I wrote that hastily and couldn't remember anyone else who thought rayn was a liar after he revealed his plan, so I wrote "most" and added in "(everyone?)" just in case there actually wasn't anyone else after all (although I was pretty sure there was someone else as well - geript?). I only talked about it with you, though, and the majority agreed with me, with nobody else than you visibly showing doubt, so it's ridiculous to call me a liar or even "stretching truth" based on that (maybe sub-optimal) choice of wording. 3) Correct, you never admitted to advocating a no-lynch. That would be suicide. What you did was cleverly hide it into "double-killing" someone who was already nuked. There was a slight chance that it would kill a player who was being fake-nuked or something, but - most likely, almost certainly - it would just lead to the same end result as a no-lynch. That's anti-town compared to even lynching a random lurker. You can run from the truth but you can't hide. On July 11 2013 16:05 Chezinu wrote: 4. Stutters695 14. Strongandbig 15. Gumshoe 19. CaucasianAsian 5. Z-BosoN 6. Abenson ([UoN]Sentinel) 13. VayneAuthority 22. jampidampi This list is actually Chezinu's most significant contribution so far. Granted, it's not much, but providing it without being under any pressure makes me feel slightly better about him being chaotic evil town rather than chaotic evil scum. I also agree with the list except CA (too random ramblings and thought patterns to be crafted IMO). On July 11 2013 17:08 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 11 2013 16:57 Xatalos wrote: On July 11 2013 15:05 Onegu wrote: I have the same role as xata thats why I posted about powerup from nukes when he said he was immune, the when he posted his role pm I said he was 100% town Oh well, this explains some things. I buy this claim atm since your earlier posts indeed are consistent with the claim. Scumhunt and be more active from now on as well though. (Can you be infected without a radiation nuke? Didn't know that. If it's possible to be infected in the beginning, I should have visited someone as well.) Also Alakaslam's claim feels genuine (considering all the breadcrumbing and stuff). Just says we wont know when we are infected so I kinda figured the nukes would be silent, so I gave it a shot, you should def visit someone tonight though. I am eating lunch then will read the entire thread again and be more active. Hmm. You mean the radiation nukes could be invisible and unnotified? I doubt that. Maybe I should ask hosts some questions about this next though (they revealed surprisingly much last time I asked). On July 11 2013 20:18 xigxag wrote: Great, by the time I finally read the whole thread I've already been nuked. I was so excited to hunt scum and finally play the game. Screw you guys I'm leaving and I'm taking my ball, in this case my brain, with me. On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote: Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now. You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke. LOL. Just... lol. Both of these reactions to being nuked are basically "fuck you all, not gonna play anymore". Reminds me a lot of Meapak's (as scum) reaction to being day-vigi'd in PTP: "that's some bullshit". Basically: angry - insulting - martyring - stop giving any additional information with your flip. Compare this to me or Meapak (heck, even Ace!!!) after being nuked: continuing to play, discussing and scumhunting. I have zero regrets for XigXag and jampidampi being nuked atm. And I can accept why saving Ace might have been okay - at least his reaction to being nuked was townish, heavily unlike XigXag and jampidampi. On July 10 2013 23:26 strongandbig wrote: Hi newbmen I want to lynch vayne today. Or possibly Austin, or if someone writes a big case on someone else I'll consider it. I don't want to lynch ace yet but I guess I will actually have to look into his filter if people really want to go for him. Can someone summarize or make explicit the case on him? This post just drips red all around. "I want to lynch VA, oh maybe austin, if I can easily sheep someone I'll do it, I don't want to lynch Ace atm but if I can sheep someone to him that's fine too". Basically anyone is fine unless strongandbig has to actually pursue his own reads(?) or, the horror, scumhunt!! On July 09 2013 07:48 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On July 09 2013 07:11 Xatalos wrote: Btw GUMSHOE why did you ninjavote ON despite never even suspecting him? Like, what? Your last post in the thread is like ages ago. I just voted with who I thought was town. I havent actually caught up on the thread though seeing as I'm a litte hung up on losing Basterd and not getting any nukes. Though I'm hoping not to massively disappoint you again in the exact same matter XD I'll provide as many reads as I can before the night deadline. Mean time same deal as before, any direct requests? This shows the same (or almost equally bad) attitude to scumhunting. I thought you were town gumshoe - - - Abenson was pretty scummy and Sentinel (his replacement) hasn't done much yet to prove otherwise. Nuking XigXag is an okay start though, I guess. So now XigXag and jampidampi are dead. That's fine with me. Ace being saved made me enraged at first, but upon comparing the reactions of XigXag/jampidampi vs. Ace to being nuked, I can see a case for Ace being town. That's why MajuGarzett shall remain as my vote. VA could be an option as well, but I really doubt that MG and VA are scum together and MG flipping scum would (at least partially) clear VA, and I feel MG is the scummiest of these two, so he should be our lynch atm. Nuking jampidampi is fine in itself, but the way he "put the blame off of him" and didn't nuke his own scumreads isn't a townish approach to using KP. On July 12 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote: jampi, im pretty sure you are town now, help us out and dump reads. Why is jampidampi suddenly town? | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 16:43 GMT
#2207
On July 12 2013 01:38 Ace wrote: this game is awesome. So you have a nuke atm? Can you theoretically nuke yourself? | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 16:44 GMT
#2210
On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote: FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. The one on jampidampi? Why? | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 16:47 GMT
#2211
On July 12 2013 01:44 Ace wrote: @Firm: I didn't say I received the nuke Night 1. I got the PM in the middle of the day. @Xalatos: I probably can Go for it! | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 16:50 GMT
#2215
A) Will you apologize for playing that race... no, calling me a liar? B) Who are you planning to nuke? Would you follow my opinion? | ||
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July 11 2013 16:54 GMT
#2219
On July 12 2013 01:50 Xatalos wrote: Seriously though, Ace. A) Will you apologize for playing that race... no, calling me a liar? B) Who are you planning to nuke? Would you follow my opinion? Ah you can't even nuke anymore today. Why did you claim then, if you weren't going to nuke? | ||
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July 11 2013 16:56 GMT
#2222
On July 12 2013 01:54 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 01:50 Xatalos wrote: Seriously though, Ace. A) Will you apologize for playing that race... no, calling me a liar? B) Who are you planning to nuke? Would you follow my opinion? Ah you can't even nuke anymore today. Why did you claim then, if you weren't going to nuke? Nevermind, I should read more before I post. Of course you weren't yet saved when you claimed. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 16:57 GMT
#2224
On July 12 2013 01:54 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 01:51 geript wrote: On July 12 2013 01:50 geript wrote: On July 12 2013 01:49 FirmTofu wrote: On July 12 2013 01:47 geript wrote: On July 12 2013 01:43 FirmTofu wrote: On July 12 2013 01:20 geript wrote: FWIW. I'm planning to shoot that nuke down in the last few minutes. I just want to give people time to misdirect it to a better target. geript, do you have 2 shot defense or one shot? Why are you of all people asking me? Because you can somewhat confirm Oats as town. If you are 1 shot, we need to be looking at Oats extremely seriously. If you are 2 shot, Oats could still be both alignments. Why would him being a 2 shot and me being a 1 shot make any difference? Couldn't he just be a scum 2 shot guy? Err I mean 2 shot town guy. Not sure how the roles are distributed on TL, but isn't this rather unlikely? Why would some town blues be strictly better than others? If I am wrong in this assumption, then don't bother telling me. I don't understand why you don't want to say one way or another, though. Maybe to hide that info from scum...? Maybe? | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 17:01 GMT
#2228
On July 12 2013 01:57 Ace wrote: I thought you lied, ok sorry. I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game. Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that. Thanks. But if you're town, now you're gonna be killed..... Since you have a day-KP. And you never got to use it. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 17:16 GMT
#2241
On July 12 2013 02:03 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 02:01 Xatalos wrote: On July 12 2013 01:57 Ace wrote: I thought you lied, ok sorry. I was going to nuke one of the lurkers so we dont have to deal with them going into late game. Also I don't see why I wouldn't claim. Someone gave me a nuke in the middle of the day. We never knew that capability existed before that. Thanks. But if you're town, now you're gonna be killed..... Since you have a day-KP. And you never got to use it. Nukes can be launched at night. Isn't it the first 36 hours of any dayphase? Or that + night? If so, then good. Btw are you planning to save jampidampi and for what reason? Everyone agreed to it (although apparently MajuGarzett himself preferred VA). Then jampidampi proceeded to ragequit - or actually he came back (unlike XigXag) but just defended some accusations and complained (although there was one okayish post on MajuGarzett). Is that really enough to use your anti-nuke considering what little jampidampi has done all game (almost only the rayn claim analysis)? | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 17:19 GMT
#2245
On July 12 2013 02:15 FirmTofu wrote: I am now going to address the wagon on Maju. I'm not really convinced either way(I have a null read on Maju) and I think Ace would be a much better lynch target. There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment. If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared. If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam? Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch. Hm. On the other hand, town MajuGarzett would want to nuke his own scumread (VA), not your scumread (jampidampi). | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 17:23 GMT
#2249
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July 11 2013 17:25 GMT
#2252
On July 12 2013 02:23 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 02:18 strongandbig wrote: On July 11 2013 20:51 Onegu wrote: So there are 3 immune ones in the game? four, at least also im voting va ##vote: vayneauthority i think hes had a bunch of scummy behaviors so id rather lynch him. Did you just claim? Oh and I am re reading the thread now on page 81, but also checking in to refresh the page and see new content. 4 Immune Ones already............ Can this be real? | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 17:41 GMT
#2268
On July 12 2013 02:26 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 02:19 Xatalos wrote: On July 12 2013 02:15 FirmTofu wrote: I am now going to address the wagon on Maju. I'm not really convinced either way(I have a null read on Maju) and I think Ace would be a much better lynch target. There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment. If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared. If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam? Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch. Hm. On the other hand, town MajuGarzett would want to nuke his own scumread (VA), not your scumread (jampidampi). Town MajuGarzett could do either, I think. An unconfident Town Maju would rely on other people's reads because he doesn't trust himself to be good enough at the game. He might also think that if he listens to others, people might back off the lynch on him. A confident Town Maju would go with the VA lynch. I just don't see any reason to believe that Maju is an experienced, confident player. I guess it goes like this (MG and VA likely not scum together - MG and jampidampi likely not scum together): Option 1 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 2 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 3 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 4 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like A) if we lynch MajuGarzett, we should save jampidampi B) if we lynch VayneAuthority, it's arguable if we should save jampidampi or not I'd really like some input on this since I have conflicting feelings on which of these options is correct. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 17:52 GMT
#2276
On July 12 2013 02:45 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 02:41 Xatalos wrote: On July 12 2013 02:26 FirmTofu wrote: On July 12 2013 02:19 Xatalos wrote: On July 12 2013 02:15 FirmTofu wrote: I am now going to address the wagon on Maju. I'm not really convinced either way(I have a null read on Maju) and I think Ace would be a much better lynch target. There is a part of my interaction with Maju that pushes me towards a town read that I would like to mention. Maju said he wanted to lynch Vayne, but I specifically forced him to consider switching his best scumread in order to test his alignment. If jampidampi is scum, as I suspect he is, scum Maju would be unwilling to switch his read no matter what. He could have just as easily nuked Vayne or one of the lurkers and no one would have cared. If jampidampi is town, then you would have to subscribe to the view that Vayne is also town in order to hold the belief that Maju is scum. Why would scum Maju recommend that Vayne should be nuked if they were on the same scumteam? Because I think at least one of Vayne and jampidampi is scum, I cannot endorse the Maju lynch. Hm. On the other hand, town MajuGarzett would want to nuke his own scumread (VA), not your scumread (jampidampi). Town MajuGarzett could do either, I think. An unconfident Town Maju would rely on other people's reads because he doesn't trust himself to be good enough at the game. He might also think that if he listens to others, people might back off the lynch on him. A confident Town Maju would go with the VA lynch. I just don't see any reason to believe that Maju is an experienced, confident player. I guess it goes like this (MG and VA likely not scum together - MG and jampidampi likely not scum together): Option 1 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 2 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 3 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 4 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like A) if we lynch MajuGarzett, we should save jampidampi B) if we lynch VayneAuthority, it's arguable if we should save jampidampi or not I'd really like some input on this since I have conflicting feelings on which of these options is correct. Saving jampi should be independent of the decision to lynch. Supposing we lynch Maju, letting jampi die gives us insurance against option 3 & 4. Also, with SnB's claim, I don't really see how you can still endorse the lynch on Maju. Yeah I guess that's true. I'm pretty sure 1-2 of these 3 are scum, definitely not all 3 though, so it's the safest move to kill 2 of them and very likely get at least 1 scum. That, in turn, would greatly benefit finding the remaining scum. With that in mind - not very sensible to save jampidampi. You mean that strongandbig's claim makes jampidampi more likely scum and thus MajuGarzett more likely town? | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 18:44 GMT
#2289
Let's see the situation again: Option 1 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 2 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 3 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 4 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi If we kill MajuGarzett and jampidampi, VayneAuthority is still somewhat likely a question mark after the flips. If MajuGarzett flips green and jampidampi flips red, it's pretty hard to say if VayneAuthority is town or scum. I think both of them flipping green is pretty unlikely, so likely only if MajuGarzett flips red and jampidampi flips green do we know that VayneAuthority is likely town. There's an easy solution to this however. If we lynch VayneAuthority and let the nuke on jampidampi land, we will almost certainly know MajuGarzett's alignment. If there are 1-2 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely town. If there are no scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely scum. Then Ace (or someone else) can just nuke the crap out of him after the daypost. I'm starting to get pretty confident that there is at least one scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi though. Especially jampidampi is looking suspicious with randomly claiming the already-revealed Immune One role PM after he was nuked. There are tons of that particular role around, it seems, and jampidampi is the most scummy of these claims (-> the most likely one to have fakeclaimed - or just be a scum Immune One). So basically: 1) There's most likely at least 1 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi. 2) If that's the case, then MajuGarzett is most likely town. 3) Even if both VayneAuthority and jampidampi are town (unlikely), we can just nuke MajuGarzett since he's most likely scum in that case. 4) If we lynch MajuGarzett instead of VayneAuthority, we will likely have no idea about VayneAuthority's alignment after the flips and worse still, we have a higher risk of mislynching. With that said: ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 18:45 GMT
#2290
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
July 11 2013 18:49 GMT
#2293
On July 12 2013 03:47 geript wrote: Here's the logical flaw. No way that nuke is landing on Jampi. How come? | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 18:58 GMT
#2302
On July 12 2013 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 03:54 Alakaslam wrote: On July 12 2013 03:51 VayneAuthority wrote: I claimed in the very first post of this day in a discreet way in case it came down to this, lets see if the bandwagon has an answer for my scum motives or that. Can you quote yourself on it? I have gotten confused http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=418049¤tpage=92#1827 So you're claiming to be Kenpachi I take it? | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 19:03 GMT
#2311
On July 12 2013 03:58 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 03:49 Xatalos wrote: On July 12 2013 03:47 geript wrote: Here's the logical flaw. No way that nuke is landing on Jampi. How come? Because I'm going to shoot it down. Here's the full situation with Jampi: 1. He's town and the nuke lands. Yay he's town!!! However, we have an infinite vig or something akin to it, but it's in the hands of a lurky bad player. That's bad news bears. 2. He's town and I shoot the nuke down. Yay he's town!!! But we don't have to deal with him gaining powers. 3. He's scum and the nuke lands. YAY he fake claimed and got shot in the face!!!! 4. He's scum and the nuke lands but makes him awesome. BOOOOH we've just superpowered scum. 5. He's scum and the gets shot down. We don't know he's scum, but he's easily lynchable and don't superpower him. Of the situations where the nuke lands, only 1 is good for us and I don't think Jampi was fake claiming. Of the situations where the nuke doesn't land, all of them are better for us. Pretty simple really. And yes, I'm assuming all nukes are radiation nukes. As a matter of fact: ##defend jampidampi Let's get a lynch contest going. WHAT THE FUCK GERIPT!!!!??? ARTANIS CLEARLY SAID THAT THERE ARE OTHER TYPES OF NUKES THAN RADIATION NUKES AND THAT A PLAIN NUKE IS NOT A RADIATION NUKE!!! I EVEN SAID IT CLEARLY IN THE THREAD......................... WHY IN THE NAME OF ANYTHING WOULD YOU EVER DO THAT??? | ||
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July 11 2013 19:09 GMT
#2317
Artanis: Yes 2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"? Artanis: No I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see: On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote: Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster. WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL????? | ||
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July 11 2013 19:28 GMT
#2329
On July 12 2013 04:11 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 04:09 Xatalos wrote: 1) Are there other than Radiation nukes in the game? Artanis: Yes 2) Is a plain "nuke" the same as a "Radiation nuke"? Artanis: No I even clearly tell of this fact on the thread for everyone to see: On July 09 2013 00:30 Xatalos wrote: Uh oh. I just got confirmation that there are other types of nukes than Radiation nukes - and a plain "nuke" is not the same thing as a "Radiation nuke". That means I have a good chance of dying, but also a good chance of gaining KP. Hmm. Well, I'm pretty sure that Meapak is town too, so maybe it would be better to protect him, Oatsmaster. WHY THE HECK DID YOU DEFEND WITHOUT CONSULTING ME FIRST GERIPT????? ARE YOU SCUM AFTER ALL????? Get off the high horse. No way in hell I make this play as scum. No way in hell I could even be scum this game. Way too active. I made the decision because I knew it wouldn't be popular but it's the right decision. It's not popular (for a good reason) and it's not right either. Your entire reasoning for saving jampidampi is based on a false assumption that I would have noticed in less than a second. You should have as well - if you read the game rules or especially my post clarifying that your basic assumption is completely wrong. 1) You just saved a likely scum 2) The only possible situation where town would benefit from this is if A) jampidampi is town - unlikely, and even then he'll remain a suspect lurker and probably tomorrow's lynch B) his claim is true (not all that likely) AND the nuke is a Radiation nuke (quite unlikely) - even then we could have confirmed if it was fakeclaim or not and could have forced him to kill a certain player (if he didn't do that, scum) 3) The ways in how town suffers from this: A) we probably lose a kill into the scumteam B) we lose a great chance to determine all the alignments in this group (MG, VA, jampidampi) in one go C) we lose a chance to possibly confirm jampidampi's claim and force him to kill a player of our choosing D) we get to keep a scummy lurker alive to distract us tomorrow Yeah, do you still agree what you caused? | ||
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July 11 2013 19:30 GMT
#2331
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July 11 2013 19:38 GMT
#2336
On July 12 2013 04:30 Ace wrote: How is it likely that jamp is scum? Explain this. 1) No contributions outside of an analysis of rayn's claim (very easy and enticing for scum to do something like that, no scumhunting involved) 2) "fuck you all I'm leaving" reaction to being nuked instead of starting to help even more now that your flip is soon revealed - completely scum-motivated (mind you, he did return for a bit, but didn't do scumhunting and basically only made one contentful comment on MajuGarzett) 3) claimed a role that is apparently on 4 (!) players already at this point after being nuked - very very likely a scum amongst all these claims and jampidampi is clearly among the scummiest (competing with strongandbig) 4) unlikely scum with MajuGarzett and him flipping red would somewhat clear MajuGarzett (an otherwise big suspect), thus justifying even more lynching jampidampi (making it easier to find the remaining scum) | ||
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July 11 2013 19:44 GMT
#2342
On July 12 2013 04:41 geript wrote: @Xatalos... so you're trying to say that I'm bad for shooting down the nuke that saves Maju because it forced us to vote for Jampi instead of Maju? You agree that both aren't likely scum correct? Read this: On July 12 2013 03:44 Xatalos wrote: I just had a great idea. Let's see the situation again: Option 1 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 2 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 3 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi Option 4 MajuGarzett VayneAuthority jampidampi If we kill MajuGarzett and jampidampi, VayneAuthority is still somewhat likely a question mark after the flips. If MajuGarzett flips green and jampidampi flips red, it's pretty hard to say if VayneAuthority is town or scum. I think both of them flipping green is pretty unlikely, so likely only if MajuGarzett flips red and jampidampi flips green do we know that VayneAuthority is likely town. There's an easy solution to this however. If we lynch VayneAuthority and let the nuke on jampidampi land, we will almost certainly know MajuGarzett's alignment. If there are 1-2 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely town. If there are no scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi, MajuGarzett is most likely scum. Then Ace (or someone else) can just nuke the crap out of him after the daypost. I'm starting to get pretty confident that there is at least one scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi though. Especially jampidampi is looking suspicious with randomly claiming the already-revealed Immune One role PM after he was nuked. There are tons of that particular role around, it seems, and jampidampi is the most scummy of these claims (-> the most likely one to have fakeclaimed - or just be a scum Immune One). So basically: 1) There's most likely at least 1 scum among VayneAuthority and jampidampi. 2) If that's the case, then MajuGarzett is most likely town. 3) Even if both VayneAuthority and jampidampi are town (unlikely), we can just nuke MajuGarzett since he's most likely scum in that case. 4) If we lynch MajuGarzett instead of VayneAuthority, we will likely have no idea about VayneAuthority's alignment after the flips and worse still, we have a higher risk of mislynching. With that said: ##Unvote ##Vote VayneAuthority We should have killed VA+jampidampi (getting at least 1 scum very likely, and as a bonus we would know MajuGarzett's alignment with good probability). | ||
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July 11 2013 19:48 GMT
#2344
1) To get a better read on strongandbig 2) there's a small chance that jampidampi and MG are scum together and MG shot a Radiation nuke at jampidampi, if the claim was true then that's a possibility | ||
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July 11 2013 20:14 GMT
#2361
On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote: Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. This post is a bit confusing. What's your conclusion? Lynch MajuGarzett or jampidampi? | ||
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July 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#2364
On July 12 2013 05:12 Z-BosoN wrote: snb what is your current opinion on austin? Wtf has austin to do this impending lynch? | ||
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July 11 2013 20:15 GMT
#2365
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July 11 2013 20:18 GMT
#2367
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July 11 2013 20:22 GMT
#2369
On July 12 2013 05:21 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 05:18 geript wrote: On July 12 2013 05:15 austinmcc wrote: On July 12 2013 05:12 geript wrote: The timing is butt. But...he was the leading lynch candidate, and had picked up 3 votes within the last chunk.Ok. So Maju's filter actually has some bits of trying to analyze and stuff. Jampi's only analysis is pretty much confined to the Rayn stuff which is pretty worthless. Jampi's response to the nuke is definitely not towny, but it's about as much as I would expect from a player like Jampi or IamP. The point is though that Maju literally was at no point trying to decide who to nuke. There's nothing there which even points to that. He doesn't even want to "take credit" for his nuke in getting others opinions almost at the last second. That doesn't add up. If he thinks he's actually going to die, and has a nuke, the TOWNIE thing to do is to go "holy balls I have 2 hours town who should I fire this at." The SCUMMY thing to do is fire at whoever he'd like, a strong townie, given that he thinks he's going to die. Except I think all of this is kind of blown apart by the fact we had multiple missile defense claims so scum can't obvi-nuke someone with time left in day and expect it to work just fine. I dunno, gut read is that asking frigging town for where to send a nuke is NOT scummy behavior. Not saying he had a nuke earlier is, but...town controlling things is generally in town's favor. Go look at his filter. He claimed that it was unstable and that's why he fired it. NM I can't fucking read That's become clear in the recent hours. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 20:27 GMT
#2374
On July 12 2013 05:25 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 05:15 Xatalos wrote: On July 12 2013 05:12 Z-BosoN wrote: snb what is your current opinion on austin? Wtf has austin to do this impending lynch? Oh, didn't realize deadline was so soon, I'm still @ page 92 and something interested me between SnB and austin. Gimme a sec Vote for jampidampi, you'll get cookies. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 20:32 GMT
#2377
On July 12 2013 05:29 austinmcc wrote: Or maybe we just get people to vote for legitimate reasons and then analyze their votes and reasons. geript, icons next to names are just...e-peen. They denote length and girth. You live in a utopia, my friend. | ||
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July 11 2013 20:37 GMT
#2381
On July 12 2013 05:34 Koshi wrote: Ok this is something really stupid that I just read, but maybe it is genius. Did the host make an English mistake by saying a Immune target? Xatalos, you claim to also be immune. Is it spelled correctly in your role pm? Show nested quote + On July 11 2013 20:33 jampidampi wrote: Why the fuck was I nuked? Just for not being here? Have yet to read the thread, but I'm not sure if catching up at this point is even worth it. Might as well claim right now. You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. So you better hope that Maju's nuke was a radiation nuke. Lol no. Someone messed up. You are a Immune One! You have no special powers other than that Radiation nukes do not harm you, but do infect you. Each night, you may choose to visit a player. If you are infected with radiation, it will spread to them. You will not be informed if you are infected. Once infected, your infection will last the entire game. | ||
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July 11 2013 20:40 GMT
#2384
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July 11 2013 21:03 GMT
#2393
On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote: ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi. Maju: 1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral 2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral 3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy 4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy 5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy 6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter? 2. Not sure what you mean here (?) 3. True, but I can't say that my original points against johnnywup were good either (pretty null IMO, slightly scummy at most) 4. I agree his stance on Onegu/Chezinu seems weird - first votes Onegu for pressure voting Chezinu, then starts saying that Chezinu hasn't yet given real answers (weird, maybe scummy) 5. Yeah can't say that he feels like figuring new stuff out this game (scummy) 6. Actually he never said he suspected jampidampi, he just obeyed what people (FT, me etc.) said - where did you get that he suddenly suspected jampidampi? (?) | ||
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July 11 2013 21:04 GMT
#2395
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July 11 2013 21:05 GMT
#2400
On July 12 2013 06:00 Z-BosoN wrote: Allrighty, cookie it is ##vote jampidampi Here you go. | ||
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July 11 2013 21:10 GMT
#2408
On July 12 2013 06:05 Z-BosoN wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 06:04 Xatalos wrote: Sigh, both feel like scum. But only one can be scum. Why can only one be scum?? Anything is possible in the end, but I doubt scum MajuGarzett would have nuked scum jampidampi or that scum jampidampi would go for the MajuGarzett lynch. The pretty even vote spread also improves the chances of one being scum. | ||
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July 11 2013 21:12 GMT
#2412
On July 12 2013 06:10 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 06:03 Xatalos wrote: On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote: ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi. Maju: 1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral 2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral 3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy 4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy 5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy 6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter? 2. Not sure what you mean here (?) 3. True, but I can't say that my original points against johnnywup were good either (pretty null IMO, slightly scummy at most) 4. I agree his stance on Onegu/Chezinu seems weird - first votes Onegu for pressure voting Chezinu, then starts saying that Chezinu hasn't yet given real answers (weird, maybe scummy) 5. Yeah can't say that he feels like figuring new stuff out this game (scummy) 6. Actually he never said he suspected jampidampi, he just obeyed what people (FT, me etc.) said - where did you get that he suddenly suspected jampidampi? (?) @6 You don't fire a nuke at someone who you think is town. Unless you're scum I guess | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 21:16 GMT
#2414
On July 12 2013 06:14 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 06:10 geript wrote: On July 12 2013 06:03 Xatalos wrote: On July 12 2013 05:41 geript wrote: ok so Xat, let's talk about maju vs jampi. Maju: 1. Both town/scum reasoning for launching nuke neutral 2. Both town/scum reasoning for nuke target (seeking approval for if it will land vs confirming for a solid target) neutral 3. Original points for voting Onegu are super weak scummy 4. Continues to attack Onegu for thinking Chezinu scum based on reasoning that quite possibly makes Chezinue scum -- makes no sense as town scummy 5. continued tunneling without any sort of progression on the read scummy 6. Out of the nowhere suspicion on Jampi scummy Xat would you agree with this analysis of his filter? 2. Not sure what you mean here (?) 3. True, but I can't say that my original points against johnnywup were good either (pretty null IMO, slightly scummy at most) 4. I agree his stance on Onegu/Chezinu seems weird - first votes Onegu for pressure voting Chezinu, then starts saying that Chezinu hasn't yet given real answers (weird, maybe scummy) 5. Yeah can't say that he feels like figuring new stuff out this game (scummy) 6. Actually he never said he suspected jampidampi, he just obeyed what people (FT, me etc.) said - where did you get that he suddenly suspected jampidampi? (?) @6 You don't fire a nuke at someone who you think is town. Unless all nukes are radiation nukes and you are firing at an Immune One. Haha jk geript Lol | ||
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July 11 2013 21:23 GMT
#2422
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July 11 2013 21:25 GMT
#2423
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Xatalos
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July 11 2013 21:27 GMT
#2429
On July 12 2013 06:26 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 06:25 Xatalos wrote: If we end up lynching MajuGarzett and he flips town, I'm going to rage so hard at geript. What happens if we end up flipping Jampi and he's scum? Would you want to risk it with the claim? Hm? | ||
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July 11 2013 21:30 GMT
#2432
On July 12 2013 06:27 jampidampi wrote: scumreads already mentioned, Xatalos, geript, Ace, Onegu and CaucasianAsian (weak read) are town. haven't have time to check austin, can't make sense from johnny, vayne or chezinu, rest pretty much null Any reasonings behind any of your reads? It's not hard for scum to just pull some "reads" out of thin air. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 21:37 GMT
#2442
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July 11 2013 21:39 GMT
#2445
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July 11 2013 21:41 GMT
#2450
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Xatalos
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July 11 2013 21:42 GMT
#2451
On July 12 2013 06:40 FirmTofu wrote: What do you think our best course of action would be if jampi flips town? Then I'm feeling a nuke on MajuGarzett. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 21:52 GMT
#2467
On July 12 2013 06:51 Ace wrote: ok now activity picks up Your vote is on MajuGarzett. Do you think he's more likely scum than jampidampi? | ||
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July 11 2013 21:57 GMT
#2478
On July 12 2013 06:55 Ace wrote: yes, and this recent activity has me suspicious. However, this same thing happened during the DI/ON lynch and DI escaped. So I'll switch. Besides, I always have the option to nuke MG. ##unvote If jampidampi flips town, please do nuke MajuGarzett (at night preferably). If jampidampi flips scum, nuke someone else. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 21:57 GMT
#2479
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July 11 2013 21:59 GMT
#2485
On July 12 2013 06:58 geript wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 06:58 FirmTofu wrote: On July 12 2013 06:57 Xatalos wrote: On July 12 2013 06:55 Ace wrote: yes, and this recent activity has me suspicious. However, this same thing happened during the DI/ON lynch and DI escaped. So I'll switch. Besides, I always have the option to nuke MG. ##unvote If jampidampi flips town, please do nuke MajuGarzett (at night preferably). If jampidampi flips scum, nuke someone else. But don't nuke someone else without consulting us first. (looks at geript) Hey, I haven't nuked anyone without consulting anyone... Haha....... | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 22:03 GMT
#2492
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July 11 2013 22:05 GMT
#2496
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July 11 2013 22:11 GMT
#2505
On July 12 2013 07:04 FirmTofu wrote: This implicates me heavily. I expect a lot of heat from town. Bring it. I'm glad we finally found some scum, phew. Not necessarily. I'm in the same boat as you, pushing jampidampi until the ugly truth. I'm more suspicious of those who just voted somewhere without being truly involved in it all. | ||
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July 11 2013 22:14 GMT
#2509
On July 12 2013 07:12 VayneAuthority wrote: OriginalName (11): austinmcc, Chezinu, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion, Xatalos, FirmTofu, Alakaslam, geript, ghost_403, Chezinu, geript, TanGeng, gumshoe, johnnywup, Onegu nuke into that. | ||
Xatalos
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July 11 2013 22:17 GMT
#2514
On July 12 2013 07:09 Ace wrote: Yea I'll nuke tonight. Also drop something before I possibly die. @vayne: not for the DI lynch, but people grouping you with maju and jampi. They could easily be wrong so we'll see how this plays out. I'm not too sure on VayneAuthority atm. Anyways it would be best to nuke MajuGarzett for much the same reasons as DI/XigXag was a good nuke: everyone sees him as scummy, yet he's very inactive, so D3 might turn out as just everyone voting for MajuGarzett (reducing the overall activity and interesting events during the day). | ||
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July 11 2013 22:20 GMT
#2521
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July 11 2013 22:30 GMT
#2532
Just nuke MajuGarzett. It's not just the fact of him being scummy (especially after jampidampi's flip), but maybe equally important is how productive D3 will be. If MajuGarzett lives, (most) everyone will just vote for him and D3's activity, quality contributions, arguments, effort put in by various players..... Everything pro-town will be severy reduced. The same might have well happened during D2 if XigXag hadn't been nuked by Sentinel. We might have just all agreed to vote for XigXag in the end, destroying all the great activity we had with the jampidampi/MajuGarzett/VayneAuthority arguments. If there isn't one scummy player on whom everyone agrees on, it becomes much, much harder for scum to sheep/bus and townies will be more easily distinguished from scum. Just do it! | ||
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July 12 2013 06:07 GMT
#2579
I'm starting to feel that I die tonight, with everyone chanting my über-townishness. The only reason I see for my survival is that my power is relatively useless. But if there are 2 NK's again, the situation looks grim for me. Currently I'm mostly angry at myself for already pushing two mislynches (worse still, one away from a confirmed scum and one away from a likely scum). I never believed I'd say this, but maybe people should listen to Ace more. He's been likely correct about two lynches already and I doubt he'd be bussing this ruthlessly as scum. Also, his posts after being nuked were pretty townish. With that said, I have reached a new conclusion on who the remaining 4 scum probably are (if it's a normal setup and around 20% of the players are scum). I also have an idea on who might be the 3rd party (likely an SK-type role but with nukes instead of NK's). And I'm pretty confident in my townreads at the moment. I'm considering if I should A) save everything for right before the nightpost to make scum's targeting harder B) post before that to encourage more discussion and help polish my reads / answer questions (since I'm likely dead now anyways) I can't really post for a bit (just typing on my phone hastily atm), but I think I could finish my "last will" several hours before the deadline. Opinions? | ||
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July 12 2013 08:41 GMT
#2584
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July 12 2013 09:59 GMT
#2586
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July 12 2013 11:36 GMT
#2594
On July 12 2013 20:05 Onegu wrote: Xata visit someone tonight dont forget, I am leaning toward geript, firm tofu, MG or WoS. I doubt it's gonna achieve anything, but I think I'm gonna visit Stutters695 just in case (under the assumption that Ace nukes MajuGarzett). Stutters is the kind of player that has a decent chance of flipping scum, but even if he's town, he's a super-easy mislynch wagon that scum would gladly see happen. It would also be a waste of a day to lynch someone like him (zero info to be gained and a whole day wasted). Thus he is an optimal KP target even while a sub-optimal lynch target. On July 12 2013 16:19 FirmTofu wrote: Show nested quote + On July 12 2013 15:07 Xatalos wrote: Hihi everyone. I'm starting to feel that I die tonight, with everyone chanting my über-townishness. The only reason I see for my survival is that my power is relatively useless. But if there are 2 NK's again, the situation looks grim for me. Currently I'm mostly angry at myself for already pushing two mislynches (worse still, one away from a confirmed scum and one away from a likely scum). I never believed I'd say this, but maybe people should listen to Ace more. He's been likely correct about two lynches already and I doubt he'd be bussing this ruthlessly as scum. Also, his posts after being nuked were pretty townish. With that said, I have reached a new conclusion on who the remaining 4 scum probably are (if it's a normal setup and around 20% of the players are scum). I also have an idea on who might be the 3rd party (likely an SK-type role but with nukes instead of NK's). And I'm pretty confident in my townreads at the moment. I'm considering if I should A) save everything for right before the nightpost to make scum's targeting harder B) post before that to encourage more discussion and help polish my reads / answer questions (since I'm likely dead now anyways) I can't really post for a bit (just typing on my phone hastily atm), but I think I could finish my "last will" several hours before the deadline. Opinions? I am in the same position as you Xatalos(except I backed off the ON lynch at the last second). I don't know why everyone thinks you and me are town, honestly. I think you are town because you mirror my behavior and you probably think the same of me for the same reason. There is little reason why any rational observer should think the same. As for the decision you need to make... I want you to save your scumreads for the time right before the nightpost, HOWEVER, I don't think we should stop discussing reads altogether. That would only serve to help scum. Therefore, I have a few questions for you. 1) We currently have Alakaslam claiming Russian Technician. We have lost a town sided North-Korean Technician and we have killed a scum sided North-Korean Technician. Do you doubt the veracity of Alakaslam's claim at all based on this new information? 2) We have Onegu/SnB/You all claiming The Immune One. You are in a very unique position to handle this issue because you are 100% certain about your own alignment. Therefore, your opinion on the matter is on critical importance. You have already stated that you think SnB is the most likely to be scum in the group claim. However, Onegu has voted on both mislynches and SnB voted to lynch Dandel who flipped scum. Are you willing to hold your stance based on this contradictory information? 3) Who would be your best vigi target if you had a nuke? 1) It certainly puts some new doubt on Alakaslam, but he still reads town to me. Just his carefree and spontaneous posting style alone screams town at me. His role breadcrumbing is now closer to null, although still slightly townish (basically limiting his own options to lie in the future to benefit town). 2) Onegu's roleclaim felt very sincere and "breadcrumbed" in a natural way that's not easy to fake. He still might be a scum Immune One though. S&b voting for DI looks good for him, but remember that DI has begged to be bussed in the past as scum. I'd still say Onegu is town and s&b scum. Onegu's actions (especially considering his role) haven't felt planned while s&b's posts have felt more constructed and his claim came at an unnatural timing (just buying some towncred with incoming nukes in mind?). 3) MajuGarzett. Then Stutters695 probably, if MajuGarzett was already nuked. Also LOL @ "Xatalos has been wrong about everything" :D At least I was right about rayn while Ace claimed he was a liar and a scum... And we'll see if I'm right or wrong about my latest reads. | ||
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July 12 2013 16:20 GMT
#2611
Working on my *wall of text*(TM) at the moment. It should be ready before sometime before deadline. | ||
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July 12 2013 17:21 GMT
#2623
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July 12 2013 18:45 GMT
#2633
On July 13 2013 03:05 geript wrote: @Xat. You agree that many should be lynched and not nuked? You mean MajuGarzett? No, I think he should be nuked. I haven't heard anyone defending him after jampidampi's flip and I doubt scum would even bother tomorrow (too much risk, too little gain). | ||
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July 12 2013 18:48 GMT
#2635
On July 13 2013 03:41 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys I'm back. If I am correct in my understanding, Xatalos has a nuke but cannot use it because he has passed he deadline? Can you please confirm, Xatalos? If so, this is easily resolved. Medics on Xatalos, now. We need Xatalos alive because he is a 1) An almost confirmed town 2) Can vigi kill someone. I'm not entirely convinced Stutters would be the best target just because he also bussed Dandel. I'd like to discuss the nuke target first. Ace apparently launched a nuke at Maju, but nothing actually happened... Was Ace lying as I initially thought? Remember, we still haven't heard from the person who supposedly gave him a maju during Day 2. He also has not confirmed my story yet. I got a PM that I received a nuke, but then I was informed by Artanis that it was a mistake and that I would get it at the start of D2 and not yet. Ace passed the deadline without launching his nuke and thus couldn't launch it anymore (apparently). | ||
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July 12 2013 19:24 GMT
#2646
On July 13 2013 03:50 johnnywup wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 03:48 Xatalos wrote: On July 13 2013 03:41 FirmTofu wrote: Hey guys I'm back. If I am correct in my understanding, Xatalos has a nuke but cannot use it because he has passed he deadline? Can you please confirm, Xatalos? If so, this is easily resolved. Medics on Xatalos, now. We need Xatalos alive because he is a 1) An almost confirmed town 2) Can vigi kill someone. I'm not entirely convinced Stutters would be the best target just because he also bussed Dandel. I'd like to discuss the nuke target first. Ace apparently launched a nuke at Maju, but nothing actually happened... Was Ace lying as I initially thought? Remember, we still haven't heard from the person who supposedly gave him a maju during Day 2. He also has not confirmed my story yet. I got a PM that I received a nuke, but then I was informed by Artanis that it was a mistake and that I would get it at the start of D2 and not yet. Ace passed the deadline without launching his nuke and thus couldn't launch it anymore (apparently). saying that in thread almost guarantees you die. Why would you do that? :| I mean I think it's likely you'd die anyways but this almost guarantees it It was already evident from what I said earlier, just explained it to him. | ||
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July 12 2013 19:30 GMT
#2647
On July 13 2013 03:51 FirmTofu wrote: @xatalos What do you think of the theory that Dandel told most of his scum team to bus him day 1 because he didn't feel like playing? I'm starting to think this is exactly what happened. It is evidence by the fact that Dandel nor XigXag ever put up a decent fight defending themselves. There were plenty of lukers, isn't it odd that the one lurker who is mafia gets picked on first? Couldn't mafia relatively easily redirect the wagon to another lurker before it picked up steam? I'm thinkin that the reason mafia never redirected the wagon was because they wanted Dandel dead to establish themselves as part of a wagon that flipped scum. I wouldn't find it odd at all if some of the scum were bussing DI (definitely not all of them though, makes no sense to connect your team together like that). | ||
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July 12 2013 19:43 GMT
#2649
On July 13 2013 04:40 johnnywup wrote: I know you said it earlier but it just hurts your chances of surviving xata Inevitable :/ I was PM'd that I got a nuke, I mentioned it. Then I got PM'd that I don't have a nuke yet... Well, I'm screwed. | ||
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July 12 2013 21:10 GMT
#2666
As a sidenote, my "last will" is finally finished Yay!! | ||
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July 12 2013 21:15 GMT
#2667
On July 13 2013 05:59 Koshi wrote: geript, can you explain to me how people search for scum in mafia? Because clearly I am doing it wrong. Isn't it by picking unlogical posts and analyze them? Remember that scum can be logical and town can be illogical (geript is a prime example). What matters is the motivation behind a post. Are scum using logic to defend their scumbuddy? Or are scum using faulty logic to push a mislynch? For example. | ||
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July 12 2013 21:26 GMT
#2668
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July 12 2013 21:26 GMT
#2669
On July 13 2013 05:58 Stutters695 wrote: And I didn't send a nuke to anyone d1 Why not? | ||
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July 12 2013 21:27 GMT
#2670
On July 13 2013 04:50 VayneAuthority wrote: if there are any mafia on the day 1 DL lynch its 1 or 2 AT MOST because look at the flips that were on him, all town so far. There are far scummier people on the neither wagon, aka the useless votes. I agree. | ||
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July 12 2013 21:42 GMT
#2674
On July 13 2013 06:30 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 06:15 Xatalos wrote: On July 13 2013 05:59 Koshi wrote: geript, can you explain to me how people search for scum in mafia? Because clearly I am doing it wrong. Isn't it by picking unlogical posts and analyze them? Remember that scum can be logical and town can be illogical (geript is a prime example). What matters is the motivation behind a post. Are scum using logic to defend their scumbuddy? Or are scum using faulty logic to push a mislynch? For example. Ok thx I will try to do this. I hope your post is good and I will work on that. Do you think it is a good strategy to look for scumclusters? Maybe I can search who is friends with who in this thread? You can use already flipped scum (XigXag) while looking for connections. Non-flipped but very likely scum (MajuGarzett) should be used cautiously (if at all). It's a good bonus argument to use connections but it shouldn't be the main argument. Mainly you should look at a player himself, his posts, actions, motives. Are there scum motives behind some of his posts? Isn't there a reasonable chance of it being stupid/illogical/mistaken town? If yes, you found a scum. | ||
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July 12 2013 21:42 GMT
#2675
On July 13 2013 06:35 FirmTofu wrote: Xata, can't u post it now? Don't night actions have to be submitted 1 hour before the deadline? Really? Can someone confirm this? | ||
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July 12 2013 21:47 GMT
#2677
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July 12 2013 21:54 GMT
#2679
On July 13 2013 06:53 Stutters695 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 13 2013 06:26 Xatalos wrote: On July 13 2013 05:58 Stutters695 wrote: And I didn't send a nuke to anyone d1 Why not? There were enough floating around already and I didn't have a solid enough town read to give it to due to not being here You didn't consider me town..? Huh. | ||
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July 12 2013 21:56 GMT
#2680
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July 12 2013 21:57 GMT
#2682
Now I'm pretty sure I'm on the right track though. I ask every player to take a good look at this post and point out if there are any mistakes or flawed logic. Unless I'm somehow severely mistaken, I think I've confidently found 2 scum (austinmcc and MajuGarzett). Everyone go read their filters through carefully! I've divided this post into three parts: 1) scum, 2) 3rd party and 3) townreads. The first part includes those to be lynched next, the second one includes some interesting and IMO likely correct speculation (shouldn't be taken as holy truth though), and the third one includes my townreads (which I'm pretty confident in). 1) Scum austinmcc 1) Marvellosity once coached me and gave me valuable pointers on how to find scum. I just remembered one of them that fits austinmcc absolutely perfectly: "people happy to start a wagon but then fade into the background again". austinmcc has done that twice now. He made a case on ON, voted on him first and started fading into the background. Then he voted first on jampidampi (without really much of a case this time though) and started fading into the background (at least he made some reasonable posts this time around, maybe because I criticized him about the last time, but none of those had any impact really). 2) Completely apathetic attitude throughout D1 (and later on as well, only less obviously). 3) Main reason for saving DI/XigXag (scum) D1 with his case - "null" read on MajuGarzett and conveniently goes for jampidampi instead 4) Intentionally avoided talking about rayn's claim - "others were already talking about it" (would a town ever say this?) 5) Half-assed suspicions without really even calling the player scum/scummy (on Oatsmaster and FirmTofu) 6) Pumped me for reads at the end of N1 (I should have realized that it was probably used by him to decide if he should NK me or not... apparently I wasn't correct enough I guess) MajuGarzett 1) His first content-post is very... weak and careful, basically focusing to just doing something for the sake of doing something and staying off the radar 2) Same theme continues with his second content-post during D2... weak and careful, nothing decisive or new to the discussion 3) Lots of useless fluff that appears semi-contributive on first look 4) A vague show of "interest" to rayn's claim, then conveniently going away until the matter was more or less already resolved These two players NEED to die ASAP. I'm willing to bet even a temporary ban from TL.net or something like that if one of these flips town after all. I'm torn on the remaining scum. VayneAuthority seems scummy for pursuing MajuGarzett all the way (until jampidampi started piling votes) - then he just suddenly voted jampidampi with some random meta reason........ What? But there's the huge problem of them basically wanting each other dead for large periods of time. Double bussing so hard? Feels a bit unlikely. strongandbig's vote for DI during D1 seemed extremely much like bussing/distancing. He voted "because I don't like him". Lol? Goes well with the theory of some scum going for the bus/distancing for DI's eventual red flip. His roleclaim seems to have actually been somewhat breadcrumbed, but I doubt only town would have Immune Ones... strongandbig tunneling VayneAuthority makes them quite unlikely scum together. Stutters695, Z-Boson, Chezinu.... They're also plausible scum. Maybe even johnnywup after all. Hard to say about them though (except I have something else to say about Z-Boson next). 2) 3rd Party I'm going to make some major assumptions in this part. As such, this part can hardly be called conclusive - more like relatively safe speculation. First we have this in the rules: "There may or may not be third party multiple nuke firing planar dragons in this game." This suggests that there is somewhat likely a 3rd party capable of launching nukes (maybe even more than one, although that's extremely unlikely given the lack of more than 1 stealth nuke per day). We have so far had 2 stealth nukes in the game. The first one was on Meapak - a reasonable scum nuke. The second one was on Ace - a not so reasonable scum nuke. Ace's town credit is a lot better at the moment, but at the time rayn had just made a major case against him, I was pushing him and several people were considering him for lynch. It would have made much more sense to nuke someone actually townish and respected/trusted. There's also still a possibility of Ace playing a really good scum game, in which case this nuke would make absolutely zero sense as a scum nuke. However! It all makes sense if it comes from a 3rd party (some kind of nuke-launching SK apparently). He's obviously not going to claim the nuke (zero reason to do so). He's also not going to nuke the most townish and thus anti-scum players, but rather players who he wants dead for his own reasons (this behaviour fits Ace well and actually even Meapak - Meapak started really appearing pro-town only AFTER he was nuked, not before! - this means that the nuke on Meapak doesn't make too much sense from a scum perspective either). Not only did both of those nukes have unclear motivations behind them (not necessarily pro-town, not necessarily anti-town). What's more, they were both launched 1) with the same kind of stealth mechanism 2) soon after the day (D1/D2) had started 3) without claiming. This leads me to a (IMO) pretty safe assumption: both of those nukes came from the same 3rd party player. I'll also make one more, in my mind reasonable assumption. I doubt the 3rd party would have another powerful active ability in addition to launching these nukes. Probably he has some sort of passive ability (immune to nukes, bulletproof etc.). But it feels a bit too much to have something like multiple nukes + passive ability (3rd party almost always has something like this) + anti-nuke etc. You don't necessarily have to agree with this assumption, even though I think it's reasonable - then you can just skip this one assumption and proceed without it. But if we remove players who have been proven to have used powerful active abilities so far (Sentinel, Chezinu, Oatsmaster, WaveofShadow, MajuGarzett, geript, johnnywup, Stutters695 - why would he lie about giving a nuke to Ace and risk being counterclaimed?) we have these players left as options: Koshi Z-Boson Ace Onegu VayneAuthority strongandbig gumshoe CaucasianAsian Alakasam FirmTofu austinmcc This is a big list. So I'll remove those whom I think are likely town atm: Z-Boson VayneAuthority strongandbig austinmcc My pick for the 3rd party out of these would be Z-Boson. Why? I get a weird feeling from him. He doesn't seem to have either a town agenda OR a scum agenda! Let's see his actions: Scummy: - Very uninvolved in the game specifically close to deadlines (D1 randomly votes CA, D2 sheeps me to jampidampi) - His posts don't feel that spontaneous even though they include a lot of one-liners - He isn't really pushing things or impacting the game, despite having a solid amount of posts (some of them even with decent content) Not scummy: - Has some genuine-looking scumhunting (looks like he doesn't really know who the scum are) - not only that, but he focuses a lot on austinmcc (very likely scum IMO) - Has some posts where he looks like he's figuring something out about the scumteam This read is more of a speculation, but keep it in mind 3) Townreads Koshi Clearly putting in effort and trying to scumhunt. Oatsmaster Saved me. Saved Ace. Reasonably active. Sentinel Nuked XigXag (scum). Ace Reacted townishly to being nuked. Tunneled XigXag (scum). Onegu Genuine-feeling posts and especially a genuine-feeling roleclaim all around. geript Active, pushing and changing his opinions logically (unless you count his role usage... WTF???). gumshoe Doesn't seem hesitant to talk about anything, even matters negative for him (early on the meta point, recently also that new scum meta point). CaucasianAsian Somewhat confusing posts, but seems to write what he's thinking (hard to imagine scum faking all that lol). Alakasam Carefree and spontaneous posting style. WaveofShadow Saved Meapak. Reasonably active. FirmTofu Heavily pushing his own opinions. | ||
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July 12 2013 22:11 GMT
#2689
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July 14 2013 12:44 GMT
#2947
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July 14 2013 20:54 GMT
#3149
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July 20 2013 22:02 GMT
#3971
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July 20 2013 22:17 GMT
#3981
Overall I think scum deserved to win and town (as an average) deserved to lose. Both sides had unmotivated lurkers, but scum was pretty much in control of the game from start to finish (plus town self-destructed constantly, myself included - for example the ON lynch and the jampidampi lynch). | ||
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July 20 2013 22:25 GMT
#3983
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July 20 2013 22:53 GMT
#3986
On July 21 2013 07:49 Chezinu wrote: Oh Almost forgot! Dandelion broke the Chezinu rule!! IT IS STILL FLAWLESS!!! I pretended Xara broke the rule. hehe Next time I get a nuke I'll just nuke you right away | ||
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July 20 2013 23:03 GMT
#3990
"Remember that scum can be logical and town can be illogical (geript is a prime example)" -Xata LOL more like: Remember that scum can be logical and town can be illogical (Xata is a prime example) I don't see where I did anything as illogical as geript 1) not saving me or Meapak, 2) then saving jampi, and 3) then wasting the lynch on him? | ||
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July 20 2013 23:17 GMT
#3991
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July 20 2013 23:18 GMT
#3992
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July 21 2013 15:46 GMT
#4055
And Koshi, I strongly disagree that your play was bad. Of course you can't be a mega-ultimate-veteran as a beginner, but you have to use everything at your possession to win the current game, and you did that well (using your inexperience as an advantage is fine IMO - I've done it too as scum). Every player can't be a highly experienced and strongly analytical Mafia machine. There are many uses for players with different strengths - maybe you weren't the most analytical / sensible player, but you appeared quite townish even as scum, AND you sort of started leading the discussion later on (two main scum objectives achieved: survival and pushing Mafia agenda). | ||
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July 21 2013 16:43 GMT
#4058
On July 22 2013 01:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On July 22 2013 00:58 Koshi wrote: Thx guys. I am planning to not use the inexperienced card anymore from now on, even though I am a newbie. Let's see where it brings us. I agree to an extend it is a lame way to play the game. Well here's the thing: if you tried to pull the inexperience card now, based on your performance this game you'd probably be lynched. Haha true... | ||
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