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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 16:05 GMT
#3004
On July 15 2013 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 15:31 johnnywup wrote:
This brings a dilemma however. If we don't lynch MG, then it's possible that scum still has 2 KP tonight, if the nuke is indeed a dud. If we mislynch it's triply bad. If we just lynch MG, okay, we lose 1 person. Of course we'll be trying to lynch scum but the possibility is troubling if we mess up. If we lynch someone else outside the situation, and it turns out to be a townie, then we lose 1 during day and 2 at night. Of course, if we lynch outside the situation and hits a scum we're in a GREAT position, we're almost done. There are 18 alive right now I believe (correct me if I miscounted) which means 14 town and 4 scum, at BEST (assuming no 3p for sake of argument--including 3p only makes it worse)

So as far as I can see there's the following possibilities:

+ Show Spoiler +


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A: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG doesn't hit. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST.

B: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG hits. He's scum. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST

C: We lynch outside the situation, hit townie. Nuke on MG hits. He's townie. On day 4, it's 10 townies to 4 scum at BEST

D: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG doesn't hit. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum, at BEST

E: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG hits. He's scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 2 scum at BEST

F: We lynch outside the situation, hit scum. Nuke on MG hits. He's townie. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST

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G. We lynch MG. He's scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum at BEST

H. We lynch MG. He's townie. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST

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I: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke doesn't land. On day 4, it's 11 townies to 4 scum at BEST

J: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke lands. MG is town. On day 4, it's 10 townies to 4 scum at BEST

K: We lynch Stutters. He's town. Nuke lands. MG is scum. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST

L: We lynch Stutters. He's scum. Nuke doesn't land. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 3 scum at BEST

M: We lynch Stutters. He's scum. Nuke lands. MG is scum. On day 4, it's 13 townies to 2 scum at BEST

N: We lynch stutters. He's scum. Nuke lands. MG is town. On day 4, it's 12 townies to 3 scum at BEST



(assuming if we hit scum today we get rid of 1 KP, there is 5 total scum, and the rest are townie, and if we lynch MG we don't know whether or not the nuke would hit)


Averaging the outcomes (if outcomes are equal---which they are obviously not, but just something to consider)
Lynching outside the situation or lynching stutters: 11.833333 townies on day 4 with 3.16666 scum
Lynching MG: 12 townies on day 4, 3.5 scum

Lynching outside the situation therefore has more townies/scum on average, and is probably a better pick than lynching MG. Although I included lynching stutters as an option I don't think it's a good idea at all because it lends itself to REALLY bad situations imo.

However I haven't taken into account that if the nuke doesn't hit then Stutters is probably town and if it does hit he's probably scum. Intuition tells me that lynching outside of the situation lends to better results if you take that into account.

But back to the dilemma. Best possible scenario: Lynch outside of the situation, hit scum, nuke lands, MG flips scum.

Worst possible scenario: Lynch outside of the situation, hit town, nuke lands, MG flips town.

Most likely scenario IMO (sorry town but after 2 mislynches I have less faith): We lynch outside of the situation, hit town, nuke may or may not land. The problem I have is that if the nuke doesn't land we lose 3 townies for nothing in this situation, when we could have lynched a (relatively) confirmed scum. On the other hand, if we do decide to lynch MG, we get no information on Stutters from this at all. So I'm really torn.



What does everyone else think?

Oh yeah I meant to comment on this.
I doubt you're nything bt town at this point, but mind explaining your assumption as to the KP formula in this game? If we hit scum in MG you know it's still possible scum have 2 KP tonight, right?

yes of course. I assumed that we get rid of town KP if we successfully kill scum today for a couple reasons.
1. It's best case scenario. You may say why assume best case scenario? Because if we assume that we DON'T get rid of KP, look what happens if we mislynch and the nuke doesn't land (a likely possibility). On day 4, it would be 11 town to 4 scum. If we mislynch HERE it's 8 town to 4 scum... if we lynch scum here, ok, 9 town 3 scum.. but scum still has 2 KP. a bit better but we're starting to get into lylo territory either way. Of course, if we lynch scum today and the nuke doesn't land, it would be 12 town to 3 scum then either 9 town to 3 scum or 10 town to 2 scum. I assume that we get rid of KP because I think it makes much more sense for the sake of argument and is more probable in my eyes anyways.

for the record, I am totally against a stutters lynch.

Ugh, I really don't know what to do because I'm pretty confident MG is scum, but if I vote for him we get no info about stutters. If I don't vote for him, we might lose 3 townies.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 16:43 GMT
#3012
i thought s0lstice was nuked. broken game

oh yeah, unvote for now. I was liking an austin lynch a lot yesterday but he's been making a lot of good posts lately and aghhhhhhh. I don't know.

##unvote
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 17:28 GMT
#3039
have you been paying attention austin

actually yeah I don't know why you're assuming that there's an infinite vig. that would be crazy broken.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 17:44 GMT
#3049
I'm not suspicious of gumshoe really and am somewhat suspicious of CA but not severely. They aren't lynch options for today either way.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 17:56 GMT
#3055
On July 15 2013 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
mods refused to give me any info on the notification thing, which usually means it has to do with something fishy.

##unvote

##vote: austinmcc

how does that mean that theres something fishy at all? it's a closed setup..
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 17:58 GMT
#3058
I'm not convinced. The fact that mods didn't answer your question isn't a fucking scumtell -.-
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 18:05 GMT
#3062
I really would like Ace's opinion on todays lynch
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 19:37 GMT
#3100
I am decently okay with SnB being lynched
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 20:14 GMT
#3119
okay i voted SnB. I really can't think of anyone better to lynch atm given the circumstances @_@
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 20:21 GMT
#3123
I just hope that fucking nuke hits
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 20:36 GMT
#3132
ok if votes dont change we have a snb lynch it looks like
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 20:43 GMT
#3140
okay i'm starting to really not like this it is starting to feel like a mislynch fml

i dont know anyone better to lynch atm though @_@
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 21:12 GMT
#3162
Fuck it, I can't say without a reasonable doubt that SnB is scum. I'm unvoting.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 21:16 GMT
#3168
On July 15 2013 06:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
The only person Geript and I both find scummy on his list his MG, and honestly I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he flipped town. Hence the fact that I'd rather nuke than lynch him.
I don't think CA is scum, nor do I think austin is. This SnB business feels ALL KINDS of wrong to me. If you guys are looking for a safe lynch with me go Gumshoe.

I won't let you down. Promise.

why gumshoe?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 21:25 GMT
#3180
I'm sorry Ace but what? There's not enough evidence on Austin but there IS enough evidence on SnB? Yes it's unlikely theres 4 IOs but it's possible and he's pretty lurky but is that really evidence that he's scum? I don't really think so. He may very well be scum but that's hardly enough to say so certainly that he is.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 21:28 GMT
#3188
yes i do think some explanations have been off. and to be clear, do you think austin is town?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 21:31 GMT
#3195
gumshoe hasn't claimed anything has he?
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 21:38 GMT
#3205
i think the "austin/vayne/stutters/onegu/snb/maju" will largely (most of) itself after we see if the nuke lands

also I'm beginning to like a gumeshoe lynch sort of. and i do think wos is townie so I don't have a problem trusting him in this. I do think we don't want him at lylo either way so...I think I will vote him. I'm not sure if the lynch will end up happening but I feel more comfortable voting someone so out of the game as gumshoe than someone so in the game like austin or someone I really don't feel strongly about like SnB.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 21:40 GMT
#3206
*I think the "austin/vayne/stutters/onegu/snb/maju" situation will largely resolve (most of) itself after we see if the nuke lands
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 14 2013 21:45 GMT
#3219
Ace what the fuck? Push SnB as hard as possible then 15 minutes before deadline "maybe gumshoe could work"? I know his ninja vote is scummy as hell but that was like a complete 180.
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