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On July 09 2013 02:51 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 02:34 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 02:30 strongandbig wrote:On July 09 2013 02:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
Ace, how is "not calling you "probably town" taking things way too far? cause he town Name your top scumreads and reasons for them now that you're finally here. umm, idk. lets look at the playerlist for a second and cross-reference with my emotional impressions... okay vayne authority cause of the thing with the xatalos nuke but more importantly cause hes got two pages of filter and none of it is really interesting or relevant except for attackign caucasianasian's drunk post, plus the old timey favorite scum line Show nested quote +"Even if johnny does flip town, there's been a lot of decent discussion on it so it gives us a bit to work with as a day 1 lynch." apparently people think gumshoe is town, why is that? i still think he was nuke fishing and has a role that gains power when he gets nuked. who was the guy with a name that was kind of like geript who was just absolutely terrible? marv do you remember who i am talking about? he was in a couple games last year while i was in switzerlandwhat about oatsmaster being scum? his antinuke target on xatalos is very poorly explained and he justifies it by saying that he thinks its more likely that chezinu is scum than jhonnywups rather than saying anything about the target. like, seriously? you nuke someone cause you think they're scum, you save someone cause you think theyre town, and maphack_z looked way more townie than xatalos
Why is Meapak "way more townish" than me and why would Oatsmaster save me as scum?
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On July 09 2013 03:00 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:
Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel.
Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/ Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Focus. He's unlikely to get lynched today. I'm glad you agree that he is scummy, but I feel time is better spent discussing this after the lynch time. Right now, aside from a policy lynch, who are your top lynches?
Whatever, I guess it's a waste of time atm to talk about Ace.
I still feel like austinmcc has a good chance of being scum. See my earlier (2 I think) case-posts about him. It's not making me feel any better that he still hasn't done anything after hastily defending himself against me. He hasn't really done anything remarkable at all besides defending my pressure. But he's not getting lynched today clearly.
I'm fine with either Chezinu or Dandel Ion, who are the top lynch candidates atm. Chezinu for nuking me and not doing anything after that despite requests and Dandel Ion for playing very differently from his town meta and quite much like his scum meta (inactive and useless).
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On July 09 2013 03:03 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:
Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel.
Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/ Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. If Ace is scum and we don't have one super mega leading candidate because of good case/trustable check/etc. etc., why would he advocate no-lynching? Given the lack of clear target, scum could easily push a lynch onto a townie with a small amount of work and like...two or three votes max probably. Because it's just plurality lynch and is currently dis-organized, there's no reason for scum to try for a "no-lynch" when they could get a lynch on a townie. Moreover, I don't read Ace's post as pushing for a no-lynch. - Within THIS GAME, if we can trust xatalos's claim, we know that some people can survive some nukes
- Within OTHER GAMES, we have seen fake nukes. They get the host confirmation in thread, don't kill
- Within THIS GAME, we have seen silent nukes AND the ability to re-direct/defend against nukes. It's entirely possible someone can silently defend/re-direct a nuke, meaning that a nuke on scum doesn't always equal dead scum.
While we THINK that anyone getting nuked will be dead, we don't actually know that, and just within the last like...12 hours, we've discovered that two people we all assumed would be dead from nukage (xat, MZ) are no longer going to be dead from nukage (we think). We don't know all the roles and rules here, but we DO know that Dude X getting nuked does not mean that Dude X will die, for a number of reasons.
Hm. Well, okay. I can see him posting that as town as well, but it's still weird to focus on stuff like that instead of scumhunting (and why so early on anyway?). On to more important matters for today however...
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On July 09 2013 03:19 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 03:00 Z-BosoN wrote:On July 09 2013 02:55 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 02:48 Ace wrote:
Look at who was leading when I posted that. Dandel didn't have many votes, and Chezinu was leading. I then voted from Chezinu to Dandel.
Why would I be trying to save the people I'm voting for? :/ Hmm. Well, I guess that's not such a likely scenario (I'd put it in the same category as scum launching a fake nuke at scum Meapak). I don't know why town Ace would advocate a no-lynch even instead of a random lurker though. Why is that your FIRST thought is to advice no-lynching if we can't get a clear consensus? Shouldn't you be pushing your own opinion right now instead of waiting for a consensus or softly pushing a no-lynch? It feels overall scummy. Focus. He's unlikely to get lynched today. I'm glad you agree that he is scummy, but I feel time is better spent discussing this after the lynch time. Right now, aside from a policy lynch, who are your top lynches? Whatever, I guess it's a waste of time atm to talk about Ace. I still feel like austinmcc has a good chance of being scum. See my earlier (2 I think) case-posts about him. It's not making me feel any better that he still hasn't done anything after hastily defending himself against me. He hasn't really done anything remarkable at all besides defending my pressure. But he's not getting lynched today clearly. I'm fine with either Chezinu or Dandel Ion, who are the top lynch candidates atm. Chezinu for nuking me and not doing anything after that despite requests and Dandel Ion for playing very differently from his town meta and quite much like his scum meta (inactive and useless). Well, doesn't it make sense for a scum chezinu to make some bullshit reason up for sending a nuke towards you? I don't really understand his play, and like I said earlier, I feel he is better suited for blues.
I don't really know Chezinu but people have said that he played really similarly as scum before (day-vigged a townie without reasoning D1 and proceeded to do nothing useful after that). That seems like a considerable possibility. Maybe he's just 100% insane, but if we let him get away with something like this (again), he can keep repeating it (so it's also partly a policy lynch I guess).
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Plus he might nuke me or some other townish poster again, possibly. Unless he only had one nuke.
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On July 09 2013 03:41 geript wrote:
##vote caucasianasian
The Dandel lynch looks pretty heavily like a convenient mislynch wagon. Chezinu could be legit scum. I still don't trust WoS and would love to lynch him but I doubt that's happening. So I vote that we start getting rid of some of the fluff. Biggest fluffy scummy lurker is CA
No sense in voting a pure lurker atm. Vote Chezinu or Dandel Ion, they both have scummy points about them and a reasonable chance of getting lynched (unlike WoS or caucasianasian).
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On July 09 2013 03:36 Z-BosoN wrote:
Xatalos, tell me more about gumshoe. I remember that I didn't like some of his posts, and I also remember that you played with him before. Any thoughts?
Not particularly relevant to the current situation, but here you go.
1) As gumshoe pointed out, I've only played with him in a pretty old game and his scum meta has apparently changed significantly. So my ability to read him is certainly lower than I initially thought.
2) rayn seems to think he's "supertown", and while I would personally put him at null / slightly town maybe, I don't see him as worth lynching in the near future at least.
3) What he says seems to make sense and I pretty much agree with his posts. Just his relative inactivity and lack of noticeable contributions or scumhunting makes him not a clear townie in my eyes.
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On July 09 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is like 15 votes on andel, and only people who are opposing this lynch (i mean, löike really opposing) are me and geript. Both of us are obviously town.
Looks like you are lynching scum atm right?
Ace why do you pretend to be stupid enough to not see this?
It's true that his bandwagon is gaining steam alarmingly fast. He might be town after all based on that. On the other hand, scumteam might have decided to just bus him and be done with it (he's clearly not putting in any effort).
Caucasianasian looks like a complete noob IMO, not necessarily scummy. I'd rather lynch Chezinu atm.
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I can get behind austinmcc but looks like nobody else can, so it's a fool's errand to try that right now.
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On July 09 2013 04:13 Z-BosoN wrote:
Well I have to go, I'll be back tomorrow. Lynch CA dudes, much better choice.
##vote caucasianasian
Well that was a... random vote if anything. Explain?
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On July 09 2013 04:17 geript wrote:
Nah, busses, even quick busses, look different.
How so?
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On July 09 2013 04:22 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:18 Xatalos wrote:On July 09 2013 04:17 geript wrote:
Nah, busses, even quick busses, look different. How so? people try to actually find strong reasons for the person to be scum for town cred or you see an odd switch towards the end of things that ends in a snipe on red. This is just a constant gain. Practically has to be town.
Maybe you're right. I'd rather lynch Chezinu or austinmcc than Dandel Ion atm. I'd just want to see an updated votecount to see what's possible.
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On July 09 2013 04:22 austinmcc wrote:Z-Boson, for reference, here are posts from that game, from a guy who has played with me a decent bit: + Show Spoiler +On October 02 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
Bleh. I really can't tell if austin is scummy or just being absolutely useless. Practically every game we've played together I've found him scummy on day 1 and he turned out just to be useless.
Like, see how he's been posting in that other game he's in and not this one? Not caring about this one? Yeah, scummy as shit, except he did the same thing in rock band as town. On October 02 2012 08:32 marvellosity wrote:
That post isn't helping you not be useless though is it austin On October 02 2012 08:44 marvellosity wrote:
Ugh, too much screwing meta. I don't really want to lynch austin because I know he can be totally useless day 1 as here, and others don't want to lynch the pretty scummy annul because they want to wait and see.
Why do you think austin has a higher chance of flipping scum than annul, BC? On October 03 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote:
austin: that's because you always play so fking scummy for most of day 1 dear. For anyone wanting to vote me because of inactivity/not looking super townie on D1, I can understand that. But good lord if you're going to do that because you think normally I look super townie on D1, please check and make sure you are correctly remembering games. Off the top of my head, I know that Liquid City and ... Movie Star Mini involved me doing jack all D1 and looking scummy, believe Rock Band and some game where Marv smurfed as Fivetouch and I didn't really do anything all game but argue with him as well. Doesn't make it a good way to play or a townie way to play. But stop presenting as fact that I always/usually look magically townie on D1. Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:20 Z-BosoN wrote:
Ok, last thing before I leave.
I dunno man, you reek of disinterest this game. Even if you haven't yet made long and aggressive posts, the attitude you display here building up to the end of d1 is totally different than from what I recall.
You also make easy posts here, discussing meta, whatever Ace might have meant, and what not, but when it comes to actually trying to find scum, I find your posting here lacking. This is fine. All I'm trying to say is, I think you're not recalling things properly, and while I don't claim to be super-townie, I do claim to not be playing out of the ordinary. I don't care if I look scummy right now, I can and will fix that. I care if the only reason I look scummy is for doing something that is a common occurrence.
Maybe an even bigger problem I have with you currently is that you make very good and reasonable throughout D1... But instead of scumhunting, you ONLY put in effort when defending yourself. How is that town motivated? As town, you should be looking for scum and not covering yourself cleverly.
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On July 09 2013 04:25 Dandel Ion wrote:
Ah yeah looks like I am.
Time to start doing something if you want to avoid getting lynched. Atm I agree with geript that it's looking more like a mislynch.
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On July 09 2013 04:32 austinmcc wrote:I got a thing coming.
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On July 09 2013 04:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
Honestly, Chezinu is looking a lot more coherent than I remember him being in LX, his only scumgame I've seen so far.
He actually has posts you can read and understand.
1 or 2 even have a semblence of scumhunting.
Looks like people are just mad he randomly nuked a guy.
Not really too hot for his lynch, though I guess it's still preferable to mine, lol.
Who would you want to lynch then?
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On July 09 2013 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Chez apparently wants to lynch Oats.
Oatsmaster just basically used his ability to save my life (unless he's scum with Chezinu and knows that Chezinu used a Radiation nuke or something insane). So, no.
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On July 09 2013 04:42 Chezinu wrote:
Xatalos wasn't going to die...
So you used a Radiation nuke? NOW you're telling me that?????
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Or was it some non-lethal nuke or what?
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