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On July 07 2013 09:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Nobody listen to this. This is what loses town high kp games. People need to sit back and chill the fuck out. Xat is most likely dead, now lets not do anything rash. No, what loses town high KP games is the fact that townies or scum shoot town. Xatalos is the fucking towniest guy in thread besides gumshoe. You are probably scum for questioning me besides Chezinu's reasons for nuking Xata. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:39 VayneAuthority wrote: doesn't Z-boson just look like a name that's going to flip scum? Do you have anything to say about anything related to the game? | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:41 VayneAuthority wrote: what in particular? The chezinu nuke already is weird but we havent seen any flips yet. You were perfectly capable of giving analysis on D1 in Basterd mafia. I expect you a capable doing that here aswell. | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:45 Xatalos wrote: Confused about Chezinu's play, but I don't think that was a scumclaim. If he was scum, why would he announce it rather than launching it in secret? It seems more like a really stupid town play. If I don't survive, I'd ask people to pressure johnnywup atm. All his posts so far reek of vagueness and add nothing valuable to the thread. I'm starting to think that raynpelikoneet is likely town despite my initial concerns about his posting style. Maybe he has to claim is? Maybe someone else nuked and he just claimed it? I dunno, Chezinu as town usually is good in his reads from what i know. | ||
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WoS is wishy-washy, so is austin. Xata, because if he did not announce it in thread it was "sure" to be scum nuke and someone would anti-nuke it if possible. If he does announce it, everyone goes: "why the fuck would he nuke if he was scum??. THAT*S WHY"! im off to bed, | ||
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On July 07 2013 09:58 austinmcc wrote: You'll notice that at no point in the OP does it say ANYONE has silent nukes. You'll notice that it doesn't say "scum has silent nukes and town doesn't." You are assuming both of those things to be true and then using those assumptions to justify something. You may be assuming that because one/both of those things were true in another game, but this game is not that game. Stop. So you call me out for assuming that when it was Xatalos that asked me about it? Sweet <3 | ||
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On July 07 2013 16:58 geript wrote: Here's my problem with this line of reasoning. Because meta is essentially worthless except for forming accusations or putting the icing on a nice big case, I don't think that talking about how to 'appropriately' determine someone's meta is pro-town or pro-scum. Scum can use it as a distration; town can use it to better give information and help solidify towniness. But it's not a way to get a town read imo. Right now, I would be down for the following lynches. I will explain more about why tomorrow after d&d WaveofShadow Onegu Vayne austin caucasainasian It's not in itself, but if someone (in this case Xatalos, who is likely to be town) says he can meta read gumshoe and is wrong about it (as gumshoe thinks), why would you correct that statement of Xatalos'? If you were mafia and Xatalos is town, why would you not let Xata have his wrong line of thinking that makes you look town to him if you know your scum meta is in fact different? What's the point of correcting him and possibly give him a reason to think you are mafia later on when you don't have to do that? That is my reasoning. On July 07 2013 10:19 austinmcc wrote: Does this make sense, MZ? If he were scum, he's either trying to sac chez for credit or he's trying to get someone to nuke town chez for nuking town xat. (Or both are scum and then rayn wouldn't be doing this probs, because he'd look bad/odd when xat flipped) What, specifically, are you seeing in terms of him going from defensive --> shitting, and why does it give you a scumread? This is a good question and i want it answered too. Because i have not been defensive and i have not been shitting the thread. About Chezinu and his nuke: If Chezinu is town: - Nuke is real: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? If you think he is mafia, why would you not give reasons for your nuke? - Nuke is a dud or smth: Why would you nuke a player who is most likely town? Best case scenario is that nothing happens at the deadline, worst case scenario is town uses anti-nuke or something to stop the nuke, Chezinu get's lynched. Chezinu is crazy, but he is not stupid. Therefore i do not see a reason for him to nuke a player i see most likely to be town at this point. This also is Chezinu's nuke. If mafia used Chez's post as a cover to launch a silent nuke, he would have said that's the case already. If Chezinu is mafia: - Nuke is real and Chezinu launched it: Makes people go "no you can't be mafia for nuking at this point" like you all are. Townie dies. Profit! - Nuke is real and Chezinu's scumbuddy launched it: What i said before, but even better. If you get lynched for it, you don't lose the guy who is nuking. Double profit! - Nuke is a dud or smth: Make town to possibly waste anti-nuke or something to stop the "nuke". There are a lot of upsides in launching a nuke at this point for mafia. If Xatalos is mafia, launcing a dud nuke on your scumbuddy is brilliant. Regardless of Xatalos' affiliation you confuse the thread. There is zero benefit launching a nuke as town, even if you believed that Xatalos is mafia, all you can do is possibly fuck up town's play and sidetrack us to talk about something that is not relevant at all. Unless Chezinu outs his reasoning for nuking Xatalos, i'm keeping my vote on him. And no, insanity is not a reason. If Chezinu was Drazerk i could buy that, but he is not. He is a smart guy who is in some twisted way good at this shit. If someone disagrees with me, tell me where i am wrong. | ||
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Tell me why he's mafia. | ||
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On July 07 2013 18:23 Chezinu wrote: So, you are saying that Xatalos is mafia, but you want me to come up with reasons for you? You seem so certain that he is mafia in this statement. No i am not. I am saying that as you nuked Xatalos you must think he is mafia. Why would a town player nuke another town player under any circumstances? So why do you think Xatalos is mafia? | ||
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On July 07 2013 18:31 geript wrote: @rayn... was that you? No it was not me. I think town should claim all their nukes so that we can tell for sure if there is an unclaimed nuke that's from scum. I don't see any downside doing so. Either way if this nuke to MZ is from town, please claim it whoever shot it. If nobody claims it probably means MZ is town, i was wrong, and mafia is trying to frame me. | ||
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On July 07 2013 20:28 Xatalos wrote: Onegu's posting is giving me scummy vibes atm. This is just so non-committal. "johnnywup might be scum, or he might not. What should my read on Chezinu be guys?" And this earlier post... Many sentences, appears contributive. Doesn't actually do anything at all for the thread. Crosses the border to scummy semi-contribution IMO. The best part is that he asks my reasoning for my gumshoe read so that he can compare his thoughts on the matter and give feedback. When i give my reasons he does... nothing. :D Agreed that Onegu is scummy as hell. | ||
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There's 5 people voting me right now. Since I'm town, there's probably 2-3 scum voting for me and 2-3 misguided townies. Among the people who voted for me, I think WoS, TanGeng are the most scummy. I've already said why I don't like WoS, and I don't like TanGeng because for one thing he hopped on my bandwagon right after WoS wanted to start it...and he also hasn't said much. He's just been...there. He hasn't said anything of value. I'm pretty sure xatalos is town. I'm unsure about vayne.. I don't like him by any stretch of the imagination but he seems too bold voting me first...I don't know, he may be scum still. Abenson hasn't posted much...like at all. I can't really read him based on his posts in thread but he certainly looks like scum to me for quietly hopping on the bandwagon to vote me without saying anything. So if I were to say whos townie and whos scum out of those 5 I'd say Xatalos and Vayne are town and the other 3 are scum, but I need more to go on from Abenson but he really hasn't given me a good first impression. This part of Johnny's post mirrors my thoughts on the people voting for him like 100%. Only thing i disagree to some extent is that WoS is the scummiest of those people. | ||
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On July 08 2013 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn you really believe that half the scumteam jumped on the Whoops Wagon this early when half the thread is lurking and it's just as easy for them to hide? You say Johnny is town, why? Just because his post mirrors your thoughts? First of all, what do you mean by half of the scumteam? Do you know how many scum there are? How? Second, yes, i think johnny is town because his thoughts mirror mine. And because his posting feels genuine and not restricted in any way. Third, (as Xata asked) i'm not sure if you (WoS) are scum or not. I know you are capable of good scumplay and you havn't provided us much, only new/lurker lynches. What's that? Can you give your opinion to my post about Chezinu? Why not lynch Maju? What separates him from Johnny? Also i do not think Abenson is mafia. | ||
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Also now that you reminded me, i was shot by prpl in Red, but i wasn't really town and that was only because i claimed. I have never been mislynched. | ||
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