Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII

On June 24 2013 11:17 Spicydinosaur wrote:


Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning.

And hey Xzavier.

On June 24 2013 11:20 Xzavier wrote:
yup, im watching fullmetal alchemist then between episodes or every 5-10 min refreshing this.

Okay i lie, i have 2 windows open and im spamming F5 on this page.

Right now conversation is just picking up. Its smalltalk lol, then somebody is like: HEY FUCK YOU ##VOTE

then shit gets real

On June 24 2013 11:38 Xzavier wrote:


hes the sexiest motherfucker alive. obviously. also town.

On June 24 2013 11:43 hzflank wrote:

I noticed that too.
This is Spicy's first post in his previous game, where he was town:

That is quite a lot more content than his first post in this thread:

On June 24 2013 12:10 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Alright, it appears that my plan has oversights that are unacceptable risks at this juncture. Thank you to the veteran players (or just simply better players) who found them so quickly. Personally, I'm more concerned about Chromatic's point (regarding letting mafia call their shot on blues) than the risk of a mafia-tracker claiming NN, but I will not protest if we continue the scum-hunt without regard for my posted plan.

To me, everyone who is posting one-liners looks spammy to me, but I think the 'everyone is scum until they convince me otherwise' mentality isn't the worst thing in the world. Spicy and Xzavier are on my radar for the fluff and nonsense at the beginning. Chromatically and FirmTofu seem the most town as they were very quick to point out what were (in their view) flaws in a plan to move forward that may have compromised the town.

On June 24 2013 13:12 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Chromatically, do you have any scumreads?

On June 24 2013 13:28 Aquanim wrote:

You wound me.

Regarding claims
I'm of the opinion that the Nosy Neighbour/Alpha 5 should claim now. This role is similar to a Miller in that it isn't useful for town at all, and could seriously backfire if they are watched/tracked/whatever by a townie. I don't see any downside to a Nosy Neighbour claiming, the worst case is that they play obvtown, get shot, and draw a shot away from actual town power roles.

The biggest reason a Nosy Neighbour should claim now is that it eliminates the possibility of a scum fake-claiming it later if he is caught shooting/using a PR on someone. If we establish that a Nosy Neighbour should claim now, anyone claiming it later is caught scum.

Obviously, scum can claim Nosy Neighbour so whoever claims it isn't confirmed town by any means.

No other power roles should claim, that would be daft. (However, scum should feel free to claim their roles.)

Regarding scum
Current scumread is Chromatically for two reasons.

1) I don't like the feel of his initial posts. Making troll-cases to get the game rolling is fine, I have no objection to that in as of itself, but there's a certain nit-picking quality to his posts that feels wrong to me.


Trying to read something into someone not posting for five minutes is ludicrous.

2) He's been doing a lot of asking other people for their reads while offering nothing even approaching one of his own.

##Vote: Chromatically

On June 24 2013 17:04 Aquanim wrote:

This doesn't feel to me like the town Chromatic which I played with in Newbie XXXIII.

On June 24 2013 21:08 Aquanim wrote:

Oh, I don't have a problem with you starting the discussion - but the way in which you chose to do it made me feel uneasy. Calling somebody out for leaving for five minutes? Really? A very slight gut read was really all that ever boiled down to.


Those reads were pretty weak, I'd like to see more from you.


No, it didn't feel like either of them, but I don't expect your scumgame to be the same as XXXI - you have learned a lot since then, I think.


I kept getting asked about and called scum over the NN stuff, I would really have preferred for that not to drag out the way it did.

tl;dr I had uneasy feelings about you but I feel a lot better after reading this post. My vote was fundamentally to draw reactions from you (to clarify my read) and other people, and to start some meaningful discussion (I don't think anything is accomplished in a thread until somebody's thrown down a vote).

Go find some scum.
##Unvote

On June 24 2013 11:43 hzflank wrote:

I noticed that too.
This is Spicy's first post in his previous game, where he was town:

That is quite a lot more content than his first post in this thread:

On June 24 2013 12:24 hzflank wrote:
Another reason why I do not think NN should claim is that the scum ideally want to kill good town roles and the last townie they want to kill is the NN. While the NN does not claim they may be targeted for a night kill, and I would much prefer NN to be night killed that for a tracker etc to be night killed.

On June 24 2013 12:01 hzflank wrote:


That would be a risky claim though, as if we do end up lynching town I would rather lynch NN than any other town member. This is also why I do not think that NN should claim though.

On June 24 2013 12:18 hzflank wrote:

Fair enough. To be honest I am surprised that you got those negative comments for your first post in that thread, but then what do I know? I do not think that talk of sheeping (I had already started my post when he posted his) on day one is useful, but I do believe you as to why your first post was just the two words.

On June 24 2013 12:36 FirmTofu wrote:
I actually do believe Spicydinosaur is scummy, but not for the reasons that Hurricane Sponge states.

In all of his posts, he is extremely defensive. At the slightest mention of someone accusing him of anything, he flares up in his own defense. This could be due to his personality or it could be that he is extremely afraid of getting lynched. If it is indeed the latter, he is likely to be a powerful role, town or mafia. This is my preliminary assessment.

(It's funny that this real analysis is in agreement with my fluff analysis at the beginning of the game)

On June 25 2013 01:57 Onegu wrote:


Town at this point he doesnt have many posts but what he does post are scum hunts and his view on the NN idea, not much fluff amd not any sheeping.

On June 25 2013 02:08 Spicydinosaur wrote:


Just got done reading it. I completely agree on your first point as I had a similar feeling. The one thing I've been liking out of him was his conversation with tofu. He really seems to be trying to push tofu and actually getting a good reaction out of him.



Got a null read atm.

On June 24 2013 12:07 hzflank wrote:


But on day one, is that not all we have to go off of?

On June 25 2013 02:12 Spicydinosaur wrote:


The bolded part what bothers me. Trying not to make waves is a perfect way to go unnoticed in a game. Too much activity and everyones looking at you, too little and your a lurker who gets a big spotlight on you.

He closed by saying that if Chrom starts to play a good town game then he will move his vote to someone else, which in this case will be the person that Chrom votes for because they are scumbuddies.

On June 25 2013 02:46 Onegu wrote:

About Hz he doesnt post alot of fluff unless you want to count the NN posts, I also just filtered him when you asked and saw him make scum reads. Some of it maybe sheeping but I dont think scum would do that to much, at least he is creating scum reads with some thought behind them. I see newbie town who isnt confident in his reads.

On June 25 2013 04:06 FirmTofu wrote:

I agreed with it in the sense that it was a plausible theory, not that it was particularly likely. For the record I have you both pegged as town and I think you are both wasting precious time accusing one another. His conspiracy idea arose mainly because you accused him of being scum. I see his post as a long-winded retaliation against your credibility to ensure that no one bandwagons him to oblivion.

On June 25 2013 04:17 hzflank wrote:


While I may obviously be incorrect, it was not retaliation. Before Chrom voted for me I had already decided that if Aqua moves his vote off of Chrom and then Chrom makes a case against me then they are working together.

On June 25 2013 05:06 hzflank wrote:

I started out by coming to the conclusion that you were either both town or both scum. Aqua's first post looked like a weak poke on a Chrom that he perceived to be town. It was like he had already decided that you were of the same alignment as he was, so I thought he either had a town read that he was trying to confirm, or he knew that you were scum. I already thought that the first part of Aqua's post was a bit scummy, so I hoped to see some interaction between you and him.

Now, at this point what do you think Aqua's reply should be? Your scum read post did not really contain anything substantial and in fact I would say that I was in fact scum hunting (I had poked several people). I thought to myself: If Aqua takes his vote off of Chrom before asking Chrom for more info on his reads, then it is because Aqua does not need to know Chrom's reads.

Aqua even says this himself in his next post:



And then in that same post he says:


So Aqua does not get what he wants from you, but for some reason feels better about you, which is why I do not think that you are both town. If you were both town then that exchange should not of ended so easily.

Right when Aqua said he felt better about you (above). I read that at the same time as I read your previous post. The exchange just did not go as I would expect it to between two town members.

On June 25 2013 05:06 hzflank wrote:


It is a conspiracy theory, which we both know means that I have a lot riding on it as I stand to look like a fool if it all goes wrong.

I started out by coming to the conclusion that you were either both town or both scum. Aqua's first post looked like a weak poke on a Chrom that he perceived to be town. It was like he had already decided that you were of the same alignment as he was, so I thought he either had a town read that he was trying to confirm, or he knew that you were scum. I already thought that the first part of Aqua's post was a bit scummy, so I hoped to see some interaction between you and him.

Your first post in response contained this:



In the above quote you referred to your previous post here:



Now, at this point what do you think Aqua's reply should be? Your scum read post did not really contain anything substantial and in fact I would say that I was in fact scum hunting (I had poked several people). I thought to myself: If Aqua takes his vote off of Chrom before asking Chrom for more info on his reads, then it is because Aqua does not need to know Chrom's reads.

Aqua even says this himself in his next post:



And then in that same post he says:


So Aqua does not get what he wants from you, but for some reason feels better about you, which is why I do not think that you are both town. If you were both town then that exchange should not of ended so easily.



Right when Aqua said he felt better about you (above). I read that at the same time as I read your previous post. The exchange just did not go as I would expect it to between two town members.

On June 25 2013 05:37 hzflank wrote:

Aqua asked Tofu twice for his opinions on you. This means that if I assume that you and Aqua are scum, then Tofu must be town. There is no way that one scum would insist on an opinion of another scum from the third scum. Also, I would think that Aqua and Toku are not scumbuddies, since Tofu's opinion on you seemed important to Aqua.

My take on the reason for that was to establish that Tofu thinks you (Chrom) town. Since Tofu is one of the more active posters so far, if he thinks you town he would be easier to get on my wagon and may even make some good posts to convince others.

So as you suggested, my strong town read on Tofu is dependent on my scum read on you and Aqua.

On June 25 2013 08:59 hzflank wrote:


Why did you ask the above question to me?

On June 24 2013 12:35 Xzavier wrote:
Fuck me, i just typed somethign really nice all out and accidentally switched windows. Take two:

First actual post of this game:

This is my first game involving tracker/watcher/ect.

Okay, from what iv learned so far is that town has some borderline useless roles (tracker watcher)
The opprotunities where they would be beneficial are so rare that its hardly useful, and with the exisance of a NN it could all be BS. So there really is barely any information to gain, and if you do get any of this slightly more than useless info, its unreliable.

But, the flipside. We have Parity cop who can effectively check two people every night. He shouldnt claim. Unless he is getting lynched (and we will still lynch you, mind this) You should say who you have found as scum, or confirmed town.

You can take your strongest town read and then strongest scum read, and compare them. if the are two different alignments, its pretty obvious who is who. IF you REALLY want to play like a traditional cop. then select one of the two names as yourself, this way you can see if they are the same alignment as you (town) or not (scum)

Seriously OP imo ^^

we also hav veteran/vigi who are strong roles as well. And as shown by last game, JK can be stupidly good as well.

I like this setup for town,

Framer does make things tricky, but the cop check is still reliable (odds of you two picking same target are rare, this is why you shouldnt claim if you think you have found 1 scum alone anyway, IF he was fraimed: our cop is dead and we lose a townie).

Framer is actually a rather strong role in and of itself.

I still like this setup. basically all the tracker/watcher/NN stuff looks borderline useless to me, as iv already stated. Obviously nobody should claim. But they arnt the strongest of roles.

On June 24 2013 13:37 Xzavier wrote:
If i was parity cop i would claim NN lol. be the best fucking play. But seriously dont do this.

Im just reading from phone now. will post a case or two in the morning.

Whens the deadline?

On June 25 2013 11:00 Aquanim wrote:

Is there anything in particular that makes you want to lynch Xzavier over Onegu? Their posting to date seems to be of a similar character to me, except that Onegu has been in the thread while interesting things have happened and still hasn't contributed much.

On June 25 2013 11:09 Xzavier wrote:
okay, i just want to say that half of you are fucking retarded,


now, im watching day9. after him, im going to show you all how fucking retarded you are.

However, if someone has demonstrated a capability for making cases/scumhunting/not being utterly useless/etc. there is no reason why that capability should disappear. I won't magically choose to start playing worse just for the sake of changing my playstyle.

If he were a truly panicked scum i would think he would listen to everyone and start making cases, not go crazy.

On June 26 2013 00:41 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


For me, Xzavier is definitely something big. Could be SK, could be scum, could be... big. He has veiled references that he will be useful Day 2. If his play doesn't shape up in Day 2, I'd be for a Xzavier lynch, but I'm willing to give him that chance.

On June 25 2013 11:05 Chromatically wrote:
Most of the Xzavier stuff is really obvious: look at early day 1 and his filter. He spams a lot, posts things that are meaningless, etc. His posts feel loose and casual, but that could easily be an act.


Here he actually admits that his other posting has been useless, but then adds yet another useless post talking about how "strong" the town roles are by saying a lot of self-evident stuff. He's posting for the sake of posting.

I especially like the part where he says that he'd lynch a claimed parity cop.


The other noteworthy post where he literally says nothing. The first sentence is meaningless.

He promises more activity later, which I never really like to see, particularly when that activity doesn't occur. Maybe it didn't happen because there was no pressure on him?

He ends with a question that doesn't matter because he knows that the deadline is about 2 days away. The exact time doesn't matter at all. I can see a scum Xzav posting this in order to "interact" a little without doing anything.

Everything else in his filter is spam. Look at it yourselves.

##Vote: Xzavier


Keep in mind, as you read Xzav, that this is not a total noob player. I don't want to rely on meta heavily (at all, really), but at least observe the fact that he does know what he's doing as town. He played a strong town game in XLII, but he is anything but that this game. At the very least, he is certainly experienced enough to know not to lynch a claimed blue.

The "noob town" defense doesn't hold water with Xzav because he's clearly capable of being a strong townie.

On June 25 2013 11:09 Xzavier wrote:
okay, i just want to say that half of you are fucking retarded,


now, im watching day9. after him, im going to show you all how fucking retarded you are.

everything everybody has said about NN has meant nill to me right now, except for the people asking for him to claim. Because him being alive benefits scum more than town, because even if we know who he is, scum can still claim that it was NN and we wouldnt know different, unless you wanted to tail this guy the entire game, essentially wasting a blue role.

im lynching somebody if they claim NN. im sorry, i just am. because it doesnt benefit anything, even if your are NN, thats unfortunate, your dead. its like miller, you can claim it all you want, but on my list scum would claim miller too, so it isnt a defense, its just unfortunate circumstances.

Okay, last game during day1 i went holy fucking shit hard, made a few big blunders, almost got a town lynched over a scum, and that seriously hurt my confidence going into the rest of the game. I dont want to be the center of attention trying to direct town discussion if i cant handle it (as shown last game) It would be much better for me to analyze people, call them bad, and find scum. then to try to be mr. sheriff and totally fuck up the game.

Also, posting the list that is located on page 1 is scummy as shit to me, that is useless contribution, because its so much easier to open up page 1 in a new tab to find filters, it literally doesnt benefit anything at all.

IF i WAS scum this game, i would try to do exactly what i did last game, because if i made town-bandwagons it would look like last game where i was town, and everybody would just call me a bad townie.

The bold is kinda bullshit? it would be one thing if you said "i kinda just want to lynch you because your lurking hardcore and didnt do that last game!" then i woulda been okay with it, but because you didnt it makes me wonder.

What scumhunting was their to do when everybody has 1-2 posts that they most probably arnt going to give away anything. seriously, how bad would somebody have to be to fuck up their first post? misread there role pm?

I really dont think thats enough to vote somebody, Asking for fyfy who they would rather lynch instead of encouraging the person your voting for also seems strange. its like saying this is a pressure vote, then taking off the pressure.

Its like your trying to pressure somebody but you dont want to commit yourself, like your afraid of making too many people upset.


That or your trying to pressure like three people at once, which is impossible with only 1 vote. T.T to me you seem like your trying to press as many buttons as possible and hoping to hit something, in essence thats the plan, but you cant do it all at the same time.

This post just moved Aqua to my number 1 scum list.

##VOTE Aquanim

uhhh. dude, this is your first post in 12 hours, and all you did was a gree with everybody, and say whats already been said. your filter isnt that impressive and you havnt reacted or responded to pressure.

you talked alot when it was about the NN meta, which all iv gleaned from is lynch anybody who claims NN at any point in the game. Because it means that they are scum, if they WERE Noisy neighbor, then they would be okay getting lynched, post all of their biggest cases before they died, become confirmed (and dead) town. We re-read his case. If its strong we lynch who he suspects and win. That would be the best way to play noisy neighbor. Claiming NN to stay alive is pretty pointless, you can say it, but it wont keep you alive.

So you pretty much were encouraging a useless may as well be spam topic.

you havnt actually done anything pro-town, and are using the heat on me and Onegu as a cover in order to not make a splash and still get a mislynch.

On June 26 2013 04:00 Xzavier wrote:
Also im not posting town reads. I dont want to inject wifom.

On June 26 2013 09:24 Aquanim wrote:

Not any more. I'd prefer to let him post for another day and improve my read on him, I can still believe his play from town or from scum at this point.

If we absolutely had to switch, I'd say Alakaslam or StiMaDDict, but they would basically be policy lynches for me. I don't think this thread is going to progress much until Xzavier flips though, so I'm very much opposed to shenanigans at this point. Let's face it, if we don't lynch him today, we'll spend tomorrow deciding whether to lynch him too. I'd prefer to move on.

On June 26 2013 09:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:


I dont like the vote for the lurker as it seemed an easy cop out. Then his switch to xzavier doesnt help as i think xzavier isnt scum. He has picked up commenting about cases a lot more, but that's to be expected when accused. There was a huge shift in his play style before and after my vote on him. Perhaps he became more active to push the mislynch? I honestly dont know but looking at his filter it just feels scummy.

And your new case didnt really add anything new, just commented on xzaviers posts. At this point xzavier is going to be lynched barring some big last minute vote switches.

On June 26 2013 09:41 hzflank wrote:


I read it and it did not convince me. I will respect your time and go back to read it again though. Currently I have read some parts of the thread many times but other parts only once or twice.

I put my vote on someone who I thought more scummy than Xzavier. I still think that, but you can see above what my reasons for now voting Xzavier are.

On June 26 2013 10:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, Chromatically, I do find you have accused a lot of people. Which is good, but then you don't say why you have dropped someone. Just read your filter, but then I may have missed. Do you still think hzflank is scum?

On June 25 2013 06:31 Chromatically wrote:
I am far more comfortable with hz now.

His theory is really quite ridiculous, and I had a hard time thinking that he actually believed in his case. This post is so, so town, though:

The logic is convoluted and wrong, but I have a hard time believing that scum hz made it all up. A scum hz would have to:
1) come up with this theory (even though they're not scumhunting)
2) explain his reasoning in a clear way that "makes sense" from a town perspective
I can't see a way that scum hz develops this reasoning, so clearly from a town perspective, while actually being scum.

His next post:

This is some of the most convoluted association logic I've ever heard (coming from me). Once again, I can't see scum coming up with this reasoning just in order to justify their read change. A scum hz could have just said that "it was the only way my theory worked" or something and been fine, but this logic is done from a town perspective, I think.

##Unvote

However, I encourage you to look through XXXIII if you have the time (my profile). I tunneled two townies all game long and lead a voteswitch off of the GF because I was convinced that they were scum together. Not so much based on their individual actions, but more on the preflip associations I thought that I saw. The lesson I learned was that preflip association cases are really, really, bad. Your case is 100% preflip associations, but they never work out.

I would be very interested in hearing a case on Aqua based on his actions alone, if you really think that he's scum. If Aqua flips red, then that's a good time to go look for his associations to others.

On June 26 2013 10:10 hzflank wrote:
I'm actually in quite a good position. If Xzavier flips town then I don't look scummy. If Xsavier flips red then a day 2 case against me is beneficial anyway, since there are only 3 other likely scum targets and I can just aim at one of them for my defense. Even if I get lynched day 2, as long as the power roles are being used on the 4 main scum targets then you are likely to get a scum lynch on day 3.

In short: a super late day 1 wagon on me would be a terrible idea for the town. (Not that it was suggested).

On June 26 2013 10:20 hzflank wrote:


Because it is not a one day game. I am lynching based on which lynch I think is most beneficial to the town, as I said when I voted.

In fact, at this point I think it would be bad for the town for me to try to get people to vote for the people who I think have the most chance of flipping red.

On June 26 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
It's not like Xzav is a hundred time less likely to be scum than others. Additionally, I did not want to put a lot of effort into creating the late counter-wagon because I was hoping that some other people would get moving with it. I tried to stimulate that conversation a few hours ago but no one moved on it.

The reason that I should not of been the one to start the other wagon is that even if I did and Xzav flips red, or the other wagon flips green, that gives me no information as to who the scumbuddies are and no be honest I don't think it would of given the town enough info either. If someone else had been more proactive in starting the counter wagon then it would of given better scum reading material.

On June 26 2013 11:04 StiMaDDict wrote:
God damn it, I finished wrote this way way WAY too late.
I didn't even fucking finished writing everything..

@Chromatically: Dude, calm down. Why are you going around asking everyone what their read is on you? I'm not just going to give you my gut feel or a couple of short paragraphs pretending I know who you are. I would rather post something that is of some substance with proper analysis. To put it simply, I refuse your request.

On June 26 2013 02:23 Onegu wrote:

Between xzavier and Aqua.

On June 26 2013 02:19 Onegu wrote:


To be honest I dont care who is killed if Xzavier flips town my vote will go on aquanim and if he flips scum I will vote Spicydinosaur. My current read on Xzavier is null with scum reads on alakaslam and aqua. With every post Alakaslam makes he looks more and more like noob scum to me.

On June 26 2013 12:50 FirmTofu wrote:

I disagree. vigi should shoot the target most likely to flip scum, and that is most definitely Onegu at this point.

P.S. I wouldn't mind Spicy either *wink wink*

On June 26 2013 13:01 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Humor me. What's the difference between StiM and LoneMeow? A vacation?

On June 26 2013 16:22 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


I don't follow. hz looks town because he did something suspicious? We can save this discussion for Day 2 if you think the information is sensitive, but don't let me forget this point, Chromatically.

On June 26 2013 16:42 Hurricane Sponge wrote:
Just finished hz's filter. The town consensus is that he's very pro-town. I don't see it as quite that clear-cut, but I will defer to the town's judgement. He had some pro-town stuff leading up to the Xzavier lynch, but he's also had a couple of real head-scratchers. I won't quote them unless asked, because I want to reiterate that I don't think he's scum and I don't think investigating hz is a productive use of our time right now.

I have yet to go over Onegu's filter, but his upcoming morning mega-post will go a long way in helping me decide his alignment. I'm not ready to crucify him JUST for saying he thinks Alakaslam is the scummiest player on the board while Xzavier and Aqua were also Top 3 (which is what his apathy regarding the Day One vote boiled down to). His reads will help me decide.

On June 26 2013 09:21 Spicydinosaur wrote:


I read it and wasnt convinced. I had spent most of my time after the case posted defending my defense of Xzavier and then had work. I did update the case based off of his then vote on stim. No one else has commented on my case and 1/2 the thread thinks im scum for defending xzavier so theres nothing i can do at this point. I'd like your comment on my case.

On June 27 2013 01:00 Spicydinosaur wrote:


That last part you quoted was in reference to pushing hurricane, not defending xzavier as the previous sentence was talking about hurricane's case. Immediately after i posted a defense of xzavier i got replies from you, lone, onegu, and tofu. Perhaps its because i was on the defensive most of D1 so the quick replies by a bunch of people got me into that feeling. I tried my best to counter but it went nowhere. My defense of xzavier was based off of meta, and people didnt agree with it, so what else could i have said? I would just be repeating myself.

It feels weird that it looks scummy that i didnt defend xzavier enough and yet i look scummy for tofu for defending too much (or at all).

Also please look at my recent post about tofu about not pushing scum reads.

On June 27 2013 01:31 Spicydinosaur wrote:


please look at what i wrote again. It is clear he said his second best read was stim



He then does nothing with trying to get stim lynched and just sheeps onto xzavier.

On June 27 2013 01:29 hzflank wrote:
Chrom, is there anyone besides Spicy whose actions around the lynch seemed scummy?

On June 26 2013 11:59 Chromatically wrote:
I think that Onegu comes off worst after this lynch. He blatantly didn't care about whether Aqua or Xzav was lynched:

Except just a few posts earlier, he says that he has a null read on Xzav and a scum read on Aqua:


So he doesn't care about the lynch, even though he thinks that Aqua is scummier. Why wouldn't he vote Aqua, and why doesn't a townie care about the lynch in the first place?

If Onegu was scum, however, he wouldn't care whether Aqua or Xzav are lynched as he knows that they're both town. He also wouldn't want to have his vote on one of them when they flipped because it would draw suspicion to himself.

Side note: this works just as well if Aqua is scum. Onegu wouldn't want to vote Aqua because they're scumbuddies and doesn't want to be on the mislynch wagon.

Thoughts?

On June 27 2013 01:54 hzflank wrote:


Before the flip you suspected Onegu for the reasoning behind his voting. While the flip does not change his reasoning, I expected it to cause you to reconsider more.

Although Meow was the first to vote for Xzavier, with the way it happened I consider you to be the starter of the Xzavier wagon. Therefore, your insight into the votes that your wagon gathered will be very useful. There is no rush, we have 48 hours, but I was just surprised that you started with Onegu and Spicy.

On June 27 2013 03:18 Onegu wrote:


I only had slightly different reads it would not have supprised me if xzavier flipped scum, and it didnt suprise me he flipped town. That being said if I had a town read on him what you say is correct and I would have put my vote back on aqua. As it was I put my vote on my best case made a good case for him and when I was going to sleep 8 hours before the deadline it didnt matter much to me who was killed, and it was also possible people would have read my arguement and voted alakaslam also. The problem where I stay is I am usally not up for the deadline so I have to make a vote and decision well in advance of everyone else.

On June 27 2013 03:25 hzflank wrote:


Did anyone actually care about the lynch? Sure, you and Tofo pushed hard to get people onboard when it was tight between Xz and Aqua but as soon as Xz was highly likely to be lynched everyone stopped caring. People who were not on the wagon jumped on. People who were on the wagon discussed moving there vote.

Not to mention that we currently have a better chance working out which passenger was scum than we do of working out which non-passenger was scum. Your case on Onegu is severely hampered by all the other talk about Onegu being scummy. If you were scum, which you very well might be, then the obvious move was to pressure Onegu once Xz flipped green. There was loads of preparation done for this move pre-flip, when most of us did not even know that xZ would flip green.

On June 27 2013 03:25 Hurricane Sponge wrote:


Because if everyone on the Xzavier wagon was town, then the mafia team is Onegu, Spicy and Stim.

On June 27 2013 03:40 hzflank wrote:
My problem is that Chromatically, Tofu and Hurricane have not pressured each other since the flip. The flip made you all look guilty for different reasons. I expected you to defend yourselves by investigating each other. You are better placed to investigate each other than I am, because you know if you are town.

The best way for the town to get a correct read on which of you is scum (if any) is if you look for guilt in each other.

On June 27 2013 03:50 hzflank wrote:


Why don't you do some scum hunting?

On June 24 2013 14:43 LoneMeow wrote:


There's this thing called timezones - it's now 07:43 in my current local time...

Regarding to claiming, I'd like to ask that nobody claims. Day 1 claiming is generally not a great idea.



I'd like to note that largely with the exception of this post, you haven't done much scumhunting yourself. Would you care to elaborate on those small things for me?

I do agree about Xzavier feeling scummy though. It first felt like a bit of meta case, as I remember him being very actively townie during day 1 in our last game, but reading through what he's said so far he hasn't really done any hunting so it seems objectively scummy, too.

On June 25 2013 07:05 LoneMeow wrote:
Xzavier, I still don't like your filter. Practically just setup speculation, no scum hunting or reads. I want to lynch you.

I'm not all that comfortable with lynching hzflank, in fact I'd rather not. I read him as town-ish.

StiMaDDict, start participating in some way. Who's your top scum read, why?

fyfy, you say you'd "rather lynch someone scummier", tell me who'd that be?

##Vote: Xzavier

On June 25 2013 23:48 LoneMeow wrote:


Have you looked at it from the perspective that he might be scum that panicked once he had votes on him and only then started doing something to look more towny?

Even now his filter is "plenty of posts, little content", which I find very troublesome, though it I admit I don't feel as sure about this lynch as I did earlier. Also I see that some of my town reads are not on his case or are defending him, which is worrying.

On June 26 2013 01:10 LoneMeow wrote:
Stim lynch with the info we have right now would be too much of a coin flip I think, however if he doesn't come back and elaborate as he promised I am ready to see him hang. And unless something truly game changing happens my vote will be on Xzavier or Stim - definitely not Aquanim.

On June 27 2013 10:23 Aquanim wrote:
@Chromatically: What makes you think that "mostly agrees with you, but doesn't have time to fully flesh out his ideas and make his own thread impact" isn't a reasonable explanation for LoneMeow's play to date?

Also, I think Spicy would have looked a LOT worse if he'd backflipped on his Xzavier read. In fact I can't see any reason why he'd vote Xzavier if he was scum.

On July 06 2013 05:55 marvellosity wrote:


yeah except it was a proper slip. it COULD have been a miswording, but likelihood is that it isn't, probably. Further it wasn't the only time on day 1 he slipped something like that. Once it happens twice... well, yeah ^^

On June 24 2013 11:04 Chromatically wrote:
Why so scummy, Spicy?