Newbie Mini Mafia XLIII - Page 4

On June 26 2013 04:00 Xzavier wrote:
Also im not posting town reads. I dont want to inject wifom.

On June 26 2013 09:24 Aquanim wrote:

Not any more. I'd prefer to let him post for another day and improve my read on him, I can still believe his play from town or from scum at this point.

If we absolutely had to switch, I'd say Alakaslam or StiMaDDict, but they would basically be policy lynches for me. I don't think this thread is going to progress much until Xzavier flips though, so I'm very much opposed to shenanigans at this point. Let's face it, if we don't lynch him today, we'll spend tomorrow deciding whether to lynch him too. I'd prefer to move on.

On June 26 2013 09:49 Spicydinosaur wrote:


I dont like the vote for the lurker as it seemed an easy cop out. Then his switch to xzavier doesnt help as i think xzavier isnt scum. He has picked up commenting about cases a lot more, but that's to be expected when accused. There was a huge shift in his play style before and after my vote on him. Perhaps he became more active to push the mislynch? I honestly dont know but looking at his filter it just feels scummy.

And your new case didnt really add anything new, just commented on xzaviers posts. At this point xzavier is going to be lynched barring some big last minute vote switches.

On June 26 2013 09:41 hzflank wrote:


I read it and it did not convince me. I will respect your time and go back to read it again though. Currently I have read some parts of the thread many times but other parts only once or twice.

I put my vote on someone who I thought more scummy than Xzavier. I still think that, but you can see above what my reasons for now voting Xzavier are.

On June 26 2013 10:01 Alakaslam wrote:
Well, Chromatically, I do find you have accused a lot of people. Which is good, but then you don't say why you have dropped someone. Just read your filter, but then I may have missed. Do you still think hzflank is scum?

On June 25 2013 06:31 Chromatically wrote:
I am far more comfortable with hz now.

His theory is really quite ridiculous, and I had a hard time thinking that he actually believed in his case. This post is so, so town, though:

The logic is convoluted and wrong, but I have a hard time believing that scum hz made it all up. A scum hz would have to:
1) come up with this theory (even though they're not scumhunting)
2) explain his reasoning in a clear way that "makes sense" from a town perspective
I can't see a way that scum hz develops this reasoning, so clearly from a town perspective, while actually being scum.

His next post:

This is some of the most convoluted association logic I've ever heard (coming from me). Once again, I can't see scum coming up with this reasoning just in order to justify their read change. A scum hz could have just said that "it was the only way my theory worked" or something and been fine, but this logic is done from a town perspective, I think.

##Unvote

However, I encourage you to look through XXXIII if you have the time (my profile). I tunneled two townies all game long and lead a voteswitch off of the GF because I was convinced that they were scum together. Not so much based on their individual actions, but more on the preflip associations I thought that I saw. The lesson I learned was that preflip association cases are really, really, bad. Your case is 100% preflip associations, but they never work out.

I would be very interested in hearing a case on Aqua based on his actions alone, if you really think that he's scum. If Aqua flips red, then that's a good time to go look for his associations to others.

On June 26 2013 10:10 hzflank wrote:
I'm actually in quite a good position. If Xzavier flips town then I don't look scummy. If Xsavier flips red then a day 2 case against me is beneficial anyway, since there are only 3 other likely scum targets and I can just aim at one of them for my defense. Even if I get lynched day 2, as long as the power roles are being used on the 4 main scum targets then you are likely to get a scum lynch on day 3.

In short: a super late day 1 wagon on me would be a terrible idea for the town. (Not that it was suggested).

On June 26 2013 10:20 hzflank wrote:


Because it is not a one day game. I am lynching based on which lynch I think is most beneficial to the town, as I said when I voted.

In fact, at this point I think it would be bad for the town for me to try to get people to vote for the people who I think have the most chance of flipping red.

On June 26 2013 10:44 hzflank wrote:
It's not like Xzav is a hundred time less likely to be scum than others. Additionally, I did not want to put a lot of effort into creating the late counter-wagon because I was hoping that some other people would get moving with it. I tried to stimulate that conversation a few hours ago but no one moved on it.

The reason that I should not of been the one to start the other wagon is that even if I did and Xzav flips red, or the other wagon flips green, that gives me no information as to who the scumbuddies are and no be honest I don't think it would of given the town enough info either. If someone else had been more proactive in starting the counter wagon then it would of given better scum reading material.

On June 26 2013 11:04 StiMaDDict wrote:
God damn it, I finished wrote this way way WAY too late.
I didn't even fucking finished writing everything..

@Chromatically: Dude, calm down. Why are you going around asking everyone what their read is on you? I'm not just going to give you my gut feel or a couple of short paragraphs pretending I know who you are. I would rather post something that is of some substance with proper analysis. To put it simply, I refuse your request.