I Swear This Is Normal Mini Mafia

On June 09 2013 14:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
not running for mayor

##vote mayor: Sylencia

On June 09 2013 15:03 VayneAuthority wrote:


he is your competition, I have no interest in running for mayor

On June 09 2013 18:26 Sylencia wrote:


I'm pretty neutral about it, you're the only one who's really put up their hand for being mayor (I have but semi-in jest, and I'm not sure if Axle's is serious or not). Would you say you're the best fit for mayor even if everyone else wanted to be mayor too?

On June 10 2013 01:45 VayneAuthority wrote:


seriously you are just ignoring how I play and making an excuse to lynch me, I see no other motive in your play. Its obvious as hell, then when I flip green you just fly under the radar fitting in with the crowd. You aren't gonna pull a fast one on me so give it up.

I don't want to make a read on shaio because I have no read on him l0l

On June 10 2013 12:48 VayneAuthority wrote:

I can't reveal everything about my play or scum will be able to hide too easily, let's just say it has a purpose though

On June 11 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote:


You really have no room to call me terrible when you led the fucking lynch on me, BH is excused but not you. Sorry that you jump to conclusions and can't actually scumhunt champ =(

On June 11 2013 10:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Am I alone on this oats thing?

On June 11 2013 11:06 Blazinghand wrote:


nice try scumbuddy of oats

On June 11 2013 11:09 Blazinghand wrote:


given that it didn't succeed, the only person interested in lynching oats was the guy getting lynched, and i've been getting shit all day for being the only guy who has figured out oats is scum, i find your analysis pretty bad

On June 11 2013 13:04 ShiaoPi wrote:
axle am i reading you correctly that you are calling me out for being somewhat passive after the game started while I could have went in with a bang as in doing heavy analysis right off the bat?
also you disagree with me voting jampi for the reawons i stated?
juet to make sure, i got you correctly?

On June 11 2013 14:17 AxleGreaser wrote:


yes thats what i am calling you out for.
I grammar failed and didnt put the ? on this
>How come you lurked for so long yesterday?

So it was a question.

the argument problem is if you were scum (that is easier for you to do than lots of analysis)
it is also happens to be the argument for why the person you are pressuring stutters lurked.
(lurking is easy to do even if eventually it attracts attention)

On June 11 2013 14:28 Blazinghand wrote:
just shoot oats so he stops posting

On June 11 2013 14:37 AxleGreaser wrote:


Assume todays mayor is scum, How much real choice does hapa have who he shoots today.
"He" may have some, but if we chose to say have a player run in thread election N2 and decide today
that tomorrows mayor will do the nk... N2...then that pretty much leaves the nk in town/thread hands.
if scum got the role tomorrow theyd be brave to defy town.


I dunno. its an idea.

On June 12 2013 03:30 GravityMan wrote:
As I have just read through this ShiaoPi, I have come to a similar conclusion to you in that I do not believe he is scummy, though one section of one post of his stood out:

Here he makes it seem as though his legitimate case on this VayneAuthority was nothing more than a way to get first-day discussion started. I am not sure why he would feel the need to downplay his earlier contribution unless he was for some reason worried that his assault of a pre-claimed cop would get him into trouble. Of course I also realize that he may be simply referring to his case as something that created discussion rather than an attempt to create discussion by making a case. Either way it struck me as being odd.

The rest of his filter appears full of genuine attempts to divine alignment from other players while being overall unconcerned with the views of others regarding himself, a decidedly town-aligned trait. I agree that ShiaoPi should not be a concern based on his activity within this game, unless you have something to add from past games, Hapahauli?

As for scum-reads, there is one I am currently working on besides this Sylencia; I will expand upon it soon.

On June 12 2013 09:05 Stutters695 wrote:
Alright well since the crazy shooting stuff is over. Here's what I see:

The main reason ShiaoPi was considered town early was that he was outgoing in trying to be mayor. I've already expressed why I think that is a bad metric so if you don't remember go read that. It's null.

His case on Vayne felt town.

What's concerned me since is his stance on jampi. He posts saying that jiampi felt genuine so hapas case was wrong, then once jampi comes back he demands his reads. Jampi gave him a very short version and Shiao decides to vote him (like 8 minutes after demanding the reads).

I've read his rebuttal to axle but if that's how he felt he should have voiced it instead of just voting. He literally have jampi no chance.

What's scummy about this to me is it feels like he's fishing for a reason to revert off his town read. He didn't discuss jampi at all after his town read and then voted him after giving him six minutes to rush out reads. If he had a town read on him why wouldn't he work with him to get reads out under the assumption he'd flip town or follow up after the initial reads were unsatisfactory? He just seems to not care about the lynch as long as he's trying to justify his vote.

He's against saving the mayor power and wants me to be shot on no basis except that I've been away from the thread. That's not how you hit scum, it's how you waste kp and make town lose.

On June 12 2013 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
GM stutters scum

GK isn't scum, not yet, not based on what we know. DONT lynch him for no reason

oats is illegible. if anyone else has a gun, shoot him-- he's a liability

On June 12 2013 08:21 Blazinghand wrote:
Okay, so personally I'd prefer if we shot GM tonight. I think he's more likely to flip scum, and I've seen stutters be reasonable despite slow starts. That being said, there are two big arguments for shooting stutters and GK. The first is "we need to lynch both stutters and GM, and one of them is talking so we might as well shoot the other" and if this is a reason for shooting stutters, that is to say, we're lynching him for sure, then fine. I think he'll shape up, though, so I'd rather we shoot GM.

GK on the other hand, people don't like his entrance into the thread. He does this all the time as town, he always has a slow start. I get that people want to policy him basically for not having read the thread, but he's a replacement in addition to being a slower player in general. I say we give him time.

In order of preference, basically

GM > Stutters > GK

On June 12 2013 13:35 Stutters695 wrote:

READ MY CASE ON SHIAO. WANT TO LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF HIM?

On June 12 2013 12:25 Stutters695 wrote:
I won't survive the shot and I'd like to think after seeing me flip town BH would realize how ridiculous a shot on me would be given everyone's complete lack of justification on it. I made a fairly comprehensive post on ShiaoPi. I would love to see him flip today unless he returns at some point and convinces me otherwise.

On June 12 2013 17:06 Blazinghand wrote:
i'm not going to dignify that case with a response other than this one.

On June 12 2013 17:23 Blazinghand wrote:
stutters is low activity but i don't see that as inherently scummy. he's also pushing you (a low activity guy) which seems like a bit opportunistic, but that's probably the scummiest thing about him.

On June 14 2013 01:15 Sylencia wrote:
BH is towny for me because I feel like he's actually contributing even after cutting out the fluff, and the fact he questions what we normally wouldn't question (a cop claim) would probably be too strong of a move to be doing as scum. Naturally could be some genius plan to roleblock Vayne to infinity and then question his claim when he's still alive later and push a mislynch on him, but that's pretty thin.

Vayne should be higher, but man, honestly if you take away his cop claim I don't feel anything from him.

Anyways I'm off for the night

On June 14 2013 02:17 GravityMan wrote:

Yup, this.

Shiao, who else is scum?

On June 14 2013 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
I DONT EVEN FEEL LIKE IM PLAYING ANYMORE.

guys why or why not are you lynching GK today?

On June 14 2013 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
Hello friends. I'm back from dinner and ready to party. I suppose a VA lynch isn't possible today because he'll pardon himself; that's okay, we can still lynch GM.

##unvote
##vote GM

On June 14 2013 03:10 ShiaoPi wrote:
who would be your secondary read?

On June 14 2013 09:55 Sylencia wrote:
Man, VA's posts make me cry

Time Cycle:
This game will follow a (23+1 hour night/48 hour) day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 23 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. The last hour of each night will be the "resolution period". This is a one hour period where posting is allowed, but no actions may be submitted. The night action deadline is 09:00 HKT (+08:00). Currently the deadline is 10:00 HKT (+08:00), but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after.

On June 14 2013 13:34 goodkarma wrote:
I'm still leaning town on GM. There are far better candidates to shoot tonight.

The "he's emotional as scum" casepoint from BH was super-weak since I suspect he'd behave the same way regardless of alignment. He hasn't had the ironclad certainty I would expect from a scum GM. That being said, he needs to tell us who he'd prefer to have shot and not martyr himself. While in general martyring is a very scummy thing, I see the martyring coming from GM as also being townie. I remember how he played his scumgame, and I very highly doubt he'd make a play like that as scum. It makes him look atrocious, and scum GM would be a little more careful than that.

I'm looking at what happened and it blows my mind how little consolidation there was. I believe scum are among those who failed to consolidate: Syl, Shao, Stutters, and Oats.


Regarding Syl:

Syl has done nothing but sheep all game long. He clearly isn't interested in reading the thread. Somehow he still believes that when I proposed we vigi him it was a "lurker shot," when in fact it's that he has failed to make any real stance of his own all game. The closest he came was with Axle, who after a lack of interest, he opted not to pursue further. He felt strongly enough about it to vote for him, yet couldn't be bothered to push his case when it didn't immediately gain traction... This is a guy that's been skirting by on thread sentiment and shown almost no interest in solving the game. It also stood out to me how he would say he thinks BH is town, yet do nothing to stop him getting lynched. That is clearly scum-motivated behavior. He was in-thread near the deadline, so he could have easily voted GM if he indeed strongly felt that BH was town. He has in the past stated he'd rather have GM than BH lynched, so why wouldn't he try to do anything to stop his townread from dying? BH is known to have the ability to lead as town, which is something we sorely need... There was every reason for scum to want town BH to die over GM.


Regarding Shao:

Shao has shown what I perceived to be an active interest in the game. However, his latest vote makes literally no sense to me from a town perspective. Why on earth would you vote Syl, someone who's clearly not going to get lynched, last minute like that? I don't understand the town motivation for that. We really needed to lynch scum this cycle, and instead of consolidating, Shao votes Syl. It just doesn't make sense to me from a town perspective.


Regarding Stutters:

Stutters did little to take a stance on who he'd vote the entire day cycle. All I can find is he's "waiting for BH to get back" before placing his vote. This is hands-down the safest thing you could do as scum. Sit back and wait to see where thread sentiment goes before jumping on a candidate. That being said, I felt his read on Vayne was reasonable from a town perspective, as was his discussion of why he was so eager to vig me. That he literally didn't do anything at all for many hours and missed the deadline indicates to me he might have been legitimately busy, since town Stutters does shit like this. But he's now on my list of scum candidates, by process of elimination. There is definitely possible scum motive behind his actions.


Regarding Oats:

And then there's Oats. His play has my head spinning. He's non-stop wanted me lynched, defends BH with little justification, and now is asking that we choose between shooting me and GM. His only justification for GM is that he's bad, which hardly shows how he believes he's scum... He's spent half the game now spamming thread to lynch or shoot me while hardly discussing at all any other candidates. I'm having trouble visualizing how even as a world-class bad townie he could be playing like this. I may have WIFOM'ed myself in a corner believing that he's town as he's never been this brazen as scum. But when you fail to try to save the guy who you clearly have this townread on by consolidating, I just can't understand how any kind of townie would do that.

Looking at who was actually on the BH/GM wagons at the end of the day, I find that they all are in my town column. What I'm left with are those who've refused to consolidate. The scumteam is among:

Syl, Shao, Stutters, Oats

With the strength of my scumreads in that order.

We should be vigi'ing Syl today, and not GM.

On June 14 2013 15:12 AxleGreaser wrote:


and of course why.

On June 14 2013 15:44 GravityMan wrote:

Whoa, crazy.
Somebody who thinks for himself and comes up with his own answers.
I didn't even know it was possible!!

But yeah that was in effect a scumclaim from Vayne. I'm not exactly sure what the point was. Like...I guess he wanted to use the shot before he gives mayor to the next scum in line and wanted to shoot someone who maybe wouldn't cause an uproar amongst the surviving players. Obviously wrong about that. I'm guessing he didn't shoot me because scumteam thinks they can secure a mislynch on me at a later date. He couldn't shoot Axle or Shiao which leaves the lurkers....why not just shoot them? Hmmm....

Vayne/Sylencia scumteam Shiao?

On June 14 2013 16:06 Sylencia wrote:
Nah, if Vayne and I were scum he'd shoot me and get free cred on his already strong enough cop claim. Cop claim + scum shot = you can't really afford to lynch him ever and he rides off into the sunset

On June 14 2013 21:35 Sylencia wrote:
So then why was I getting flak for having Vayne so low on my town list??

On June 15 2013 00:25 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm here, Jesus Christ what happened.

"I must admit I kind of was joking when I "ran for mayor".
But now hapa votes me, I don't even..."

On June 15 2013 19:15 marvellosity wrote:
I thought Axle played tremendously.

GK looked pretty scummy and I think he was allowed to get away with 'replacement' status for too long.

The thing about ShiaoPi that I noticed early on was how insistent he was for running for mayor, even at the point it was blatantly obvious Hapa was town, and running for mayor. Why so insistent?

On June 16 2013 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote:

Not exactly, there is a podcast for town.